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9 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

We really think any antagonist will team up with EQ, don't we? Zelena, Hyde, Rumple...

The EQ is in Rumple's shop in the promo, in Zelena's farmhouse at night, so I'm assuming she stops there first when she arrives in SB, which looks to happen before Z and R move in together.

Hyde, got no clue what he's doing especially since it doesn't seem like he's in his cell all that long.

Also, it's these writers.

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When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

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At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

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HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

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6 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

The EQ is in Rumple's shop in the promo, in Zelena's farmhouse at night, so I'm assuming she stops there first when she arrives in SB, which looks to happen before Z and R move in together.

Hyde, got no clue what he's doing especially since it doesn't seem like he's in his cell all that long.

Also, it's these writers.

What promo?

Edit: I think I may have found it. It looks like EQ needs Zelena to use blood magic in order to open Regina's vault. (Which sounds weird, but I assume the writers will make up the rules as they go along.)

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maryle

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Honestly, it will either be good (like season 1 reddux) or a total mess like the worst of season 2.

My fear are

1)  too much character who will only be use in superficial way and as name dropping more than anything else.

2) the main 4  story line are divided for the most part and don't seem to merge well togetheat,  least at first.  I mean we have.

the Rumbelle storyline, 2.the  danger of all the new Untold character lead by Hydes 

 3 the Savior mythos with Aladdin and Emma and 4 the EQ, Regina and Zelena dynamic)  It really look tree show in once this time. The divided fandom seem to have found his way to the show. I am not sure how they will be able to merging all that in a coherent and satisfying way for each storyline that they promote with the others like the supposed year of showing or the captain Charming bromance.

Because I want to be the show have a season 7 I hope for a campier reddux of season 1 but realistically I it looks like the mess of season 2 all over again. 

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I thought Zelena being with the EQ right away was interesting, and I kinda wonder if it's not a self-preservation thing that she does that because of her daughter.

I wonder who's babysitting while she's out with EQ. If it's Regina, that's a little nutty.

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2 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

Edit: I think I may have found it. It looks like EQ needs Zelena to use blood magic in order to open Regina's vault. (Which sounds weird, but I assume the writers will make up the rules as they go along.)

Huh?  

How could even TS,TW think that makes sense?  Why would a lock that needs a genetic test respond to the controller's sister, but not the controller herself?  

I think I might hate this show.

KingOfHearts

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How could even TS,TW think that makes sense?  Why would a lock that needs a genetic test respond to the controller's sister, but not the controller herself?  

But it's not Regina. It's the Evil Queen. ;)

In all seriousness, we're not sure what sort of entity EQ is. She may not be compatible with the blood magic because she's not exactly human.

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40 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

So EQ!Regina couldn't get into the vault with her pure Regina DNA

If it turns out that the Evil Queen can't get into the vault because she has 100% Regina DNA and Regina cast a spell to prevent herself from getting in, isn't that yet another sign that everyone is an idiot for treating them as two separate people because they are literally the same person? I hate this story line so much it hurts.

35 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

In all seriousness, we're not sure what sort of entity EQ is. She may not be compatible with the blood magic because she's not exactly human.

If that's the case, then Hyde isn't exactly human either. 

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10 hours ago, Curio said:

If that's the case, then Hyde isn't exactly human either. 

Considering the way he absorbs magic when he's hit with it, one has to wonder. I also think the more magic he absorbs, which is basically raw energy, the stronger he becomes. Snow took him down with the stunt wand, and Emma is doing the same. 

I think it makes him more dangerous that way. 

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In the Season 6 premiere, “We pick up pretty directly from where we left them at the end of last season, where for the first time Emma professed her love without the duress of a life-or-death situation,” co-creator Adam Horowitz reminds. “Of course, life-or-death situations come pretty quickly on our show, so that will change.” As EP Eddy Kitsis in turn notes, “No relationship is a fairytale. So if people are expecting no drama, we hope that they will enjoy what we are showing.”

What's Eddy on about now? lol Is he saying drama or no drama? I'm sure he meant to say that there will be drama, but Eddy leaves out words.

Whenever Adam talks about Emma "where for the first time Emma professed her love without the duress of a life-or-death situation" it's obvious they are trying to make a bigger deal out of her confession than it was. Sorry, Adam. After going through hell and back for Killian, it wasn't really such an astonishing thing for Emma to do. 

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12 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Whenever Adam talks about Emma "where for the first time Emma professed her love without the duress of a life-or-death situation" it's obvious they are trying to make a bigger deal out of her confession than it was. Sorry, Adam. After going through hell and back for Killian, it wasn't really such an astonishing thing for Emma to do. 

Yeah. He knows that 90% of the CS shippers were really disappointed with the lack of payoff in the finale and he thinks that if he repeats it enough times how amazing that was, those fans would change their minds. Well, Adam, sorry, but no. That scene was not enough and no matter how many times you repeat it, it would not be enough.

And of course there would be drama. They are re-doing season 4, so we need some "Emma pushes Hook away because she is scared of losing him" and some "Hooks has secrets and he thinks he is a villain who doesn't deserve a happy ending" with a dash of "Emma is completely oblivious to Hook's problems because she is to bussy helping others" and "Hook (almost) dies a couple of times".

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Wow, not even Emma and Hook spoilers can get me hyped for the new season. I need something juicy, but they can't spill anything juicy if the plot is boring to begin with.

I saw some screenshots of a D23 article by A&E posted elsewhere on the interwebs. I think I'm going to transcribe it and post it in the spoilers only thread so we can discuss it here. The only tiny glimmer of hope I saw in that article was that they mentioned the Evil Queen plot being only part of the first half of the season.

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3 minutes ago, Curio said:

Wow, not even Emma and Hook spoilers can get me hyped for the new season. I need something juicy, but they can't spill anything juicy if the plot is boring to begin with.

Yeah, this. When not even the writers can sell their own product, the prospects for the season are really low.

Rumsy4

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7 minutes ago, Curio said:

Wow, not even Emma and Hook spoilers can get me hyped for the new season. I need something juicy, but they can't spill anything juicy if the plot is boring to begin with.

Exactly. The so-called spoilers are not just boring but a bit of a turn-off even. Do they want us to be unexcited? Bleargh. 

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KingOfHearts

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“No relationship is a fairytale. So if people are expecting no drama, we hope that they will enjoy what we are showing.”

Unless it's Ruby Slippers. or Snowing. or Philip/Aurora. or Ashley/Thomas. The list goes on.

A&E: "Let's slap Captain Swan with all the True Love tropes for a whole season, then back off completely. Yeah, they'll love that."

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At this point, less than 2 weeks before the season starts, I'd rather they stop with these terrible blurbs, that Eddie especially stops talking to people altogether because he is confusing as hell. These are the same writers that spoiled that Rumple's short hair would be addressed. Like OMG! A spoiler! I'm sure RB/Rumple fans were thrilled to bits about it. My reaction as someone who enjoys Rumple was basically who gives a fuck about his hair, give me an actual spoiler I can discuss.

Even with the stuff that's being filmed on location, aside from Belle possibly living on the JR, they're giving absolutely nothing. I think they decided to control more what's out there. There were some pretty huge spoilers that we found out about where Adam went on Twitter to reassure people (why exactly, I don't know), only for the show to air and for the ish to hit the fan, hard.

Last year, we knew that something was happening to Robin in 5x02, possibly a fury taking him away. We know about CS's horse ride/the kiss for 5x04. We knew Merlin was being released from his tree in 5x05, and the list goes on.

This year, there isn't enough to string a coherent speculation together.

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Considering all the writing on this show centers around the BIG!SHOCKING!TWIST! and nothing else, maybe A&E realized they should back off on giving interesting spoilers so they can hold their cards closer to their chests. If there were interesting character moments to look forward to, like Hook and Emma watching Netflix or Henry going to driver's ed, those could be spoiled. But since we don't get those kind of moments, they can't really spoil anything.

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30 minutes ago, Curio said:

Considering all the writing on this show centers around the BIG!SHOCKING!TWIST! and nothing else, maybe A&E realized they should back off on giving interesting spoilers so they can hold their cards closer to their chests. If there were interesting character moments to look forward to, like Hook and Emma watching Netflix or Henry going to driver's ed, those could be spoiled. But since we don't get those kind of moments, they can't really spoil anything.

They did spoil that Henry is going to give Hook a list of movies to watch in the first episode.

19 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Nope. His soul was obliterated. Destroyed with no chance of being saved. That's what you did writers. Suck it up.

They won't. If they give OQ/Robin's fans closure so that they stop with the bring him back, then so be it.

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45 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

They did spoil that Henry is going to give Hook a list of movies to watch in the first episode.

I sadly think that was a joke.

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Unfortunately for Regina, [Robin] is gone.

At least we're clear on the person most impacted by Robin's death.

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can you really separate yourself from the darkness inside you?

Every time Adam says this, I'm like, what's the point of this season again?

mjgchick

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So A and E will give CS flop angst for their to be no pay off like they've done the last 2 seasons since these two has gotten together. Hook will nearly die, Emma will nearly die and the most we'll get is that Emma will be more comfortable with popping in front of Hook in a toilet because that's how those two role when it comes to slow burns.

Oh so instead of Hook keeping a secret it will be the one who spent all of 4b hating her parents for keeping secrets. Alrighty then.

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Curio

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59 minutes ago, PixiePaws1 said:

.... i have no words for how angry this makes me...well none I can put.in a public forum!!!!

I'm pretty meh about it. It sounds like a retread of Season 4 where Hook was scared of losing Emma because villains don't get happy endings, and if Regina isn't allowed to have her happy ending then he isn't allowed to have Emma, and blah blah blah. Emma will probably find out some prophecy that all Saviors eventually lose their True Loves or something, and that's the reason why Aladdin wanted to freeze his life in the Land of Untold Stories because he didn't want to lose Jasmine. And then when Hook finds out the secret, he will be like, "Luv, I don't care about a prophecy, I want to be with you no matter what. I've already been to Hell and back so it's all downhill from here." And then Emma will be like, "I love you too much to put you in danger again." And then Hook will be like, "We live in danger every bloody day. And aren't you afraid of losing Henry? He's also your True Love." And then Emma will be like, "I don't think the writers care about my relationship with Henry. He's too busy dealing with Regina anyways, just ignore him." Lather, rinse, repeat.

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Could there be hope for a character as evil as the Evil Queen?
Kitsis: That is exactly what we’re going to be exploring. Was Regina’s decision a smart one and can you really separate yourself from the darkness inside you? I think that’s kind of a one of the big themes of the first half we’re excited to see.

Isn't this just one giant retread of the story they've already told with Regina? Regina was the Evil Queen, and according to the story the writers have been telling for five seasons now, they've supposedly redeemed Regina into a hero. So there is hope for a character as evil as the Evil Queen because we've been watching it for five years now already. Season 6 is just going to go around in circles. 

"Was Regina's decision a smart one?" No! "Can you really separate yourself from the darkness inside you?" No! Why are the biggest themes and questions they're asking so painfully obvious before the season even begins? The only good thing to come out of this quote is this: "that’s kind of a one of the big themes of the first half we’re excited to see." Please oh please let this mean that the stupid Evil Queen plot is only going to last for the first part of Season 6. There's no way they can sustain a full season around a plot so idiotic, right? (Then again, we spent the entirety of Season 4 on Operation Mongoose, so...)

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Unfortunately for Regina, [Robin] is gone.

How about unfortunately for Roland? Unfortunately for Robin? Poor Robin, he was never his own character, always just a pawn in Regina's story because it's always about Regina.

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50 minutes ago, Curio said:

I'm pretty meh about it. It sounds like a retread of Season 4 where Hook was scared of losing Emma because villains don't get happy endings, and if Regina isn't allowed to have her happy ending then he isn't allowed to have Emma, and blah blah blah. Emma will probably find out some prophecy that all Saviors eventually lose their True Loves or something, and that's the reason why Aladdin wanted to freeze his life in the Land of Untold Stories because he didn't want to lose Jasmine. And then when Hook finds out the secret, he will be like, "Luv, I don't care about a prophecy, I want to be with you no matter what. I've already been to Hell and back so it's all downhill from here."

Yes, all of this! This is exactly what I was thinking and was going to post, but now I don't have to, so thank you :)  We all know by now that no matter what secret Emma is keeping from Hook, it won't rock Hook's boat. It's just fake drama, and I'm so sick of every season starting with the whole 'There's no time for Emma and Hook to be a normal couple because of reasons' trope.

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Emma kind of kept a huge secret from Hook and everyone for 8 episodes last season, and we can say it was the darkness and the desperation, but you should learn something from it.

And that's what bugs. There are all these lessons that the characters aren't learning. I can get where she's coming from where he's back, excited about them being together, and she probably doesn't wanna ruin that for him. But this is so much fake angst. 

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KingOfHearts

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In 4A, Hook was keeping secrets from Emma about working with Rumple. Then in 4B, he was hiding what he did to Ursula. The retreads are abundant this season. There's really no reason I can think of for Emma to hide anything from Hook. There's really nothing bigger than him being the Dark One and on death's row. Wasn't she resentful toward her parents lying about eggnapping? I just don't see how Emma could possibly be lying about anything. It seems out of character and manufactured.

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KAOS Agent

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I can't tell you how excited I am about more secrets causing internal drama in a relationship. They really have zero new ideas. I will say that I'm less upset about Emma keeping quiet about the Saviours don't get happy endings thing and/or her own personal health than I was about Snowing and the eggnapping and lying about it. Emma's secret is all about her, not about something she did to someone else. If she feels like there's nothing to be done to fix it, then why upset Hook with it? Obviously, we'll get all kinds of manufactured angst about this, but it's stupid. I can just see the moving scene where Emma finally shares her horrible information with Hook. Everyone is all upset and they kiss sadly and vow to find a way to fight fate and blah, blah, blah. I'm already bored.

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Rumsy4

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9 hours ago, pezgirl7 said:

I'm so sick of every season starting with the whole 'There's no time for Emma and Hook to be a normal couple because of reasons' trope.

It's artificial and contrived. This kind of constant plot-rush only hurts character development. It doesn't build it.

9 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

And that's what bugs. There are all these lessons that the characters aren't learning. I can get where she's coming from where he's back, excited about them being together, and she probably doesn't wanna ruin that for him. But this is so much fake angst. 

This was discussed in the writers thread recently. The characters shouldn't have to go through the same exact situation every season, and never learn anything lasting from it. This only makes me more certain that CS won't be living together any time soon. 

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Curio

Curio

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7 hours ago, KAOS Agent said:

If she feels like there's nothing to be done to fix it, then why upset Hook with it?

I totally forgot about the filming spoiler where Emma sword fights the hooded figure in the premiere and gets stabbed in the stomach. So maybe it's not so much Emma lying to Hook and everyone, but she's keeping her nightmare about potentially dying to herself for a few episodes. If it's just a bad dream, then why worry Hook over something that might not even come true? A bad dream isn't something that can be fixed. But ever since Emma had the dream about Wolfie/Red attacking Snow in the Underworld that came true, I could see Emma freaking out that her nightmare might actually be a vision of the future. Thus, her new therapy sessions with Archie. Hopefully, after a few therapy sessions, Emma will finally have the courage to open up to Hook and her family about the vision and it won't be this whole "You lied to me!" drama but more of a "Wow, that's scary! We're glad you opened up to us about this and that you were smart enough to get help from a professional, even if that professional is a creep who likes to occasionally hang out in boobs. Now let's figure out a way to make sure this nightmare never happens for real."

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18 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

I'm guessing the title alludes to the Evil Queen reflecting Regina.

Oh, it's for sure about Regina. It sounds like a Henry fan letter to his mom. "Mom, you think you're twisted and unkind? Nonsense! You're the greatest mom ever! Let me show you how wrong you are!"

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I'll be your mirror
Reflect what you are, in case you don't know
I'll be the wind, the rain and the sunset
The light on your door to show that you're home

When you think the night has seen your mind
That inside you're twisted and unkind
Let me stand to show that you are blind
Please put down your hands 'cause I see you

I find it hard to believe you don't know
The beauty that you are
But if you don't let me be your eyes
A hand in your darkness, so you won't be afraid

When you think the night has seen your mind
That inside you're twisted and unkind
Let me stand to show that you are blind
Please put down your hands 'cause I see you

Maybe we're getting an Evil Queen/Henry episode.

Edit: I could handle this episode if it didn't brush under the rug everything Regina has done that Henry doesn't know about, but I have a feeling Henry will turn out to be the one who "tames" the Evil Queen and breaks the news to everyone that Regina isn't two separate entities, she's just a complex person! And then the audience rolls their eyes and begs to move on to the next plot.

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but I have a feeling Henry will turn out to be the one who "tames" the Evil Queen and breaks the news to everyone that Regina isn't two separate entities, she's just a complex person! And then the audience rolls their eyes and begs to move on to the next plot.

Then Regina dies heroically and we're left with the Redeemed!Evil Queen. Not since Claire from Lost S6 have we seen such great character writing for a show's final season.

Edit: The spoiler thread has reached over 1,000,000 views, 500 pages, and nearly 25,000 posts. Yay!

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