Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[NotBothered]

So Hook, Rumple, and Elsa are all clearly already outside the jail.  Who is the breakout?

 

ETA: It looks like Emma's magic is somehow out of control?  Between the "We were so worried," "Just stay away," and "It's okay!" it seems like something is up with Emma.

Edited September 23, 2014 by NotBothered

[pezgirl7]

Since Hook is with the gang, I guess he's not the one in jail. Elsa is with them too. I have no idea what is going on. :) Glad to see Hook has his hook back.

[YaddaYadda]

Well there's someone with a bag over their head.

[RadioGirl27]

Maybe Emma's powers are out of control, like Elsa's are in the film, ant that's why she runs away in the end. Probably the lamp post falling is going to hurt Hook or David (it falls where they are) and she is going to freak out.

Edited September 23, 2014 by RadioGirl27

[NotBothered]

Well there's someone with a bag over their head.

I think that's a camera, not a person.

[retrograde]

It's possible no one was IN jail. They may have just been at the station.

[Souris]

Well there's someone with a bag over their head.

 

I think that's a camera with a protective cover bag. Maybe it's drizzling there.

[sharky]

It's possible no one was IN jail. They may have just been at the station.

Was it even confirmed to be the jail or were we just assuming that? I mean, I think one of the normal paps said it was a jail maybe, but that's not too official.

[retrograde]

It was the sheriff's station which has a holding cell.

[Rumsy4]

Word on the street is modern clothes + hook.

Phew. I was getting tired of that swishy coat he wore all through S3. At least in S2, he had a couple of different black vests to wear without the coat.

Add me to the list of people happy that the hook is back! Although it does seem cruel to give his hand back only for a brief time.

[Souris]

Pic from filming.

 

If Emma runs off a la Elsa, it had damn well better not be Regina who goes after her a la Anna. I have horrid thoughts about that Emma/Regina ep that A&E mentioned.

[Rumsy4]

I am happy that Emma seems to be getting some decent storyline this season, but if they do an exact copy of Frozen with Emma's powers going out of control and her running ala Elsa, I will roll my eyes.

[Souris]

One fan's try at a transcription of the video.

[RadioGirl27]

Pic from filming.

 

If Emma runs off a la Elsa, it had damn well better not be Regina who goes after her a la Anna. I have horrid thoughts about that Emma/Regina ep that A&E mentioned.

God, now I'm worried. Anyway, Regina is not even there, but we know how much Adam and Eddy love to make everything about her, so yeah, Regina is going to be the one to go after her, save her and everyone else in Storybrooke with her purest white magic. That would be the day that I stop watching the show, create a twitter account and stat harassing A&E.

Edited September 23, 2014 by RadioGirl27

[Jean]

Hook probably chose to get his hook back. I think it's a good move. Captain Hook is the Disney icon, not Killian. I'm curious to see how they're fitting the hook with the modern clothes. Long loose sleeves?

 

I don't care for all these lame parallels but hey low expectations. At least Emma gets a break from prop duty and share scenes with Elsa and other people. Georgina looks awesome as Elsa. I hope those 2 have great chemistry as friends.

[pezgirl7]

You can really see how much longer his hook hand is in those pictures. I wonder why Henry is wearing a suit and tie? Is he going to a new prep school, or is that Gold's dress code for working at the shop?

 

I'm curious to know what made Emma lose control of her powers all of a sudden.

[scenicbyway]

I'm not entirely excited that the hook is back already.  I guess we knew it was coming though with that scene at the docks with the bandages and antiseptic with Rumple and the broom.  I wonder what makes Hook feel like he needs to lose his hand for good. 

 

As for today's drama....it seems like Hook has consistently been the one to go after Emma when she tries to run.  It'll be interesting to see if they use Hook or Elsa to go after her.  I'm almost banking on Elsa since she's supposed to be Emma's new best friend.  The only thing I don't like about it is we know Elsa's story expires in 4 more episodes and then she's back to Arendelle.  Emma loses another friend.

[angelwoody]

You can really see how much longer his hook hand is in those pictures. I wonder why Henry is wearing a suit and tie? Is he going to a new prep school, or is that Gold's dress code for working at the shop?

 

I'm curious to know what made Emma lose control of her powers all of a sudden.

If this is the case, these Frozen parallels with Emma seem to be a bit on the nose, don't they?  I mean, apparently, Emma has been inherently magical her whole life and never manifested much of anything by accident (the lights during Henry's birth notwithstanding).  Kind of seems hackneyed and lame.  :-( 

[NotBothered]

 I mean, apparently, Emma has been inherently magical her whole life and never manifested much of anything by accident (the lights during Henry's birth notwithstanding).

I think we're going to find out this season that she has manifested things by accident in the past.  All the talk about flashbacks seem to point to that. 

 

I also think that there is something precipitating this event.  I'm guessing there is something interfereing with Emma's powers to make them even more unstable.

[Serena]

It's also possible that being in a World Without Magic somehow "dulled" her power. Maybe if she had grown up in the EF her powers would have been more out of control.

[Rumsy4]

If this is the case, these Frozen parallels with Emma seem to be a bit on the nose, don't they? I mean, apparently, Emma has been inherently magical her whole life and never manifested much of anything by accident (the lights during Henry's birth notwithstanding). Kind of seems hackneyed and lame. :-(

Emma hasn't used her magic much intentionally, but it has never gone out of control. It's always done what she intended it to do, whether it was lighting a candle, or splitting Neal from his father. It's like they decided to steal the idea of person A's magic being out of control from Frozen without any modification whatsoever.

Emma's childhood is such a blank slate that they can write-in anything at this point for flashbacks, but I'm not going to buy it for one second that this is what A&E intended all along. Lbr, the only reason they're giving this storyline of uncontrolled magic to Emma is because they can't give it to Regina. Otherwise, they seem to be paralleling Regina with Elsa, and Emma as her Anna (ugh).

Edited September 23, 2014 by Rumsy4

[Jean]

 

It'll be interesting to see if they use Hook or Elsa to go after her.  I'm almost banking on Elsa since she's supposed to be Emma's new best friend.

I bet it's Elsa too but clearly she doesn't have control over her own powers either. It'll be like the blind leading the blind wouldn't it? That could be funny. I would laugh if the 2 of them get together and accidentally level the town. Maybe it's Rumple. He's the least emotionally involved and that's what she needs.

 

 

Emma has been inherently magical her whole life and never manifested much of anything by accident (the lights during Henry's birth notwithstanding).  Kind of seems hackneyed and lame.

Well to be fair we've seen 5 minutes of Emma's pre-Storybrook life. Also to be fair to A&E, even though they are clearly ripping off Frozen, I've seen theories floating around before that Emma was doing magic as a kid and that's why no one adopted her so at least it's organic in that sense.

 

My guess as to why it's coming out now, besides the whole Frozen thing, is conceal! don't feel! She's been closed off all this time and now she's not a robot anymore but is full of feels. Ok yeah, it's lame.

 

Or maybe the Snow Queen has something to do with it? This is her episode and how does the flashback with the 3 kids fit in? Are they giving the Snow Queen the Elsa freakout too?

[YaddaYadda]

Or maybe the Snow Queen has something to do with it? This is her episode and how does the flashback with the 3 kids fit in? Are they giving the Snow Queen the Elsa freakout too?

 

 

I was wondering that myself actually if somehow the Snow Queen doesn't manage to tap into Emma's powers to fuck with her.  Emma's first instinct would be to run to protect the people she loves which would leave her vulnerable to the Snow Queen.

[Curio]

I'm not entirely excited that the hook is back already.  I guess we knew it was coming though with that scene at the docks with the bandages and antiseptic with Rumple and the broom.  I wonder what makes Hook feel like he needs to lose his hand for good.

I figured he'd get his hand back, but I didn't think it'd be this soon. We're only about halfway through the season, so it just seems like an odd place for him to get it back story pacing-wise. I thought his hand returning would be this huge, angsty ordeal -- something season finale worthy. I guess not.

[RadioGirl27]

 

It'll be interesting to see if they use Hook or Elsa to go after her.  I'm almost banking on Elsa since she's supposed to be Emma's new best friend.

The shipper in me wants it to be Hook. And, at Comic Con, Jennifer and Colin said something about Hook being the Anna to Emma's Elsa, so maybe it's this. And about why Emma's powers are going crazy now, it's just because of Frozen. They would find some contrived reason for it that makes little to no sense, and they would forget about it in episode 12.

 

By the way, episode 7 is writen by Adam and Eddy.

 

 

I figured he'd get his hand back, but I didn't think it'd be this soon. We're only about halfway through the season, so it just seems like an odd place for him to get it back story pacing-wise. I thought his hand returning would be this huge, angsty ordeal -- something season finale worthy. I guess not.

They seem to be throwing a lot of stuff to Emma and Hook in this first half of the season. I don't know if it's because they want to put a lot of angst between them and rush their relationship to lead to a TLK or something like that, or just because they want them to be just background to Regina and Will in 4B, so they have to concentrate all their important stuff in 4A. Probably the second one.

Edited September 23, 2014 by RadioGirl27

[regularlyleaded]

If this is the case, these Frozen parallels with Emma seem to be a bit on the nose, don't they?

I'm of two minds about this right now. On the one hand, they seemed to have finally given Emma a storyline that's about her ( YAY!!! *happy dance*!). On the other hand, based on what I've read here and among other spoilers, it appears Emma's story is a point for point retelling of Elsa's story from Frozen. Elsa's story is now Emma's and they only had to change the two middle letters in their names to do it (the "ls" is now "mm"). Way to be original writers. This is like when college students write a paper and it's 80% quotes from their reference sources. Thanks for repackaging the same story and putting your name on it?

 

Also, the small part of me that still harbors some affection for S1 of this show hopes Snow is the one to go after Emma. Yes, I know it won't happen. Yes, it would be out of character and make no sense now for it to be Snow because she cares about exactly two things -- Charming and the baby (TBH, I'm surprised she was in this scene without the baby strapped to her in a baby Bjorn or something) -- but I still love that Emma/MM relationship from S1 and parts of S2 (and seriously they really need to move Snow (and Emma) outside the gravitational pull of the Woegina Blackhole).

 

In all likelihood it will be Hook (or possibly Elsa) that goes after her and that's fine and makes sense...I guess just as long as it isn't Woegina The Soul Eater or ShutUp!ShutUp!ShutUp! (aka Henry) I'll deal.

Edited September 23, 2014 by regularlyleaded

[scenicbyway]

Emma hasn't used her magic much intentionally, but it has never gone out of control. It's always done what she intended it to do, whether it was lighting a candle, or splitting Neal from his father. It's like they decided to steal the idea of person A's magic being out of control from Frozen without any modification whatsoever.

Emma's childhood is such a blank slate that they can write-in anything at this point for flashbacks, but I'm not going to buy it for one second that this is what A&E intended all along. Lbr, the only reason they're giving this storyline of uncontrolled magic to Emma is because they can't give it to Regina. Otherwise, they seem to be paralleling Regina with Elsa, and Emma as her Anna (ugh).

 

I tend to agree that there was never a "Emma's magic is out of control" storyline until they decided to mine "Frozen."  Emma is the least trained magically, but we've seen her do controlled, extraordinary magic (the bridge anyone?) just by giving the same look Regina gives or tapping into her emotions.  It doesn't make sense that suddenly she's afraid and out of control just like Elsa in Frozen.  Perhaps we'll see that Emma was locked away just like Elsa to keep from hurting anyone and that's why she was never adopted.

 

I'd like to know more about how it's possible for someone to be magical.  Rumple took it, Regina was born with it as was Emma but how is that decided.  Is it a gene?  Will Henry be magical?

 

I do like that Emma has an actual storyline that is basically about herself and not saving the town or Henry.

Edited September 23, 2014 by scenicbyway

[angelwoody]

Well to be fair we've seen 5 minutes of Emma's pre-Storybrook life. Also to be fair to A&E, even though they are clearly ripping off Frozen, I've seen theories floating around before that Emma was doing magic as a kid and that's why no one adopted her so at least it's organic in that sense.

 

My guess as to why it's coming out now, besides the whole Frozen thing, is conceal! don't feel! She's been closed off all this time and now she's not a robot anymore but is full of feels. Ok yeah, it's lame.

 

Or maybe the Snow Queen has something to do with it? This is her episode and how does the flashback with the 3 kids fit in? Are they giving the Snow Queen the Elsa freakout too?

I guess it just irritates me that considering the crappy childhood and  stressful job we know that Emma has had in the past - not to mention the emotional toll of being abandoned and knocked up by Neal and sent to prison, that Emma never accidentally manifested magic (except for Henry's birth) before.  And if we do get a back story now that suggests otherwise, I'm calling bullshit because the second Emma began to believe and the second she realized she possessed magic it should have clicked into place immediately.  Not three seasons later because it dovetails so nicely with Frozen.

 

I was wondering that myself actually if somehow the Snow Queen doesn't manage to tap into Emma's powers to fuck with her.  Emma's first instinct would be to run to protect the people she loves which would leave her vulnerable to the Snow Queen.

This I could live with.  If Emma's magic goes all wonky because of external forces, I will be able to accept that.  I just don't want to see some kind of wacky Escape to Witch Mountain/ Firestarter type flashbacks of wee Emma.  As much as I loved Escape to Witch Mountain (and am totally dating myself with the reference).  :-)

[FabulousTater]

I guess it just irritates me that considering the crappy childhood and  stressful job we know that Emma has had in the past - not to mention the emotional toll of being abandoned and knocked up by Neal and sent to prison, that Emma never accidentally manifested magic (except for Henry's birth) before.  And if we do get a back story now that suggests otherwise, I'm calling bullshit because the second Emma began to believe and the second she realized she possessed magic it should have clicked into place immediately.  Not three seasons later because it dovetails so nicely with Frozen.

IA, angelwoody, but this is what happens when you watch a mythology based show where the creators never bothered to actually write out the show's mythology before they started (or even afterwards). When the depth of their planning amounts to "Wouldn't it be cool if magical fairytale characters lived in the real world?!" we shouldn't be surprised that their story & character continuity is the equivalent of someone putting a story together using "The Telephone Game".

Edited September 23, 2014 by FabulousTater

[sharky]

I guess it just irritates me that considering the crappy childhood and  stressful job we know that Emma has had in the past - not to mention the emotional toll of being abandoned and knocked up by Neal and sent to prison, that Emma never accidentally manifested magic (except for Henry's birth) before.`

She actually has. When she got to Storybrooke and slammed the door of her car, there was an explosion on the nearby power line. Maybe it's a family thing -- both cases involved Henry. Perhaps nothing like this has happened to her before because she didn't have the family that gave her the emotion to make it work. Wasn't it Gold who told her she had to think about someone she loved and about saving them?

 

Of course, I don't know how all this ties into her magic going haywire now. Maybe it's not so much family as love -- and now that she has it in spades, the issues with magic are manifesting themselves.

Edited September 23, 2014 by sharky

[Souris]

TVLine spoilers:

 

Question: Do we know yet who Sally Pressman is playing on Once Upon a Time? She has to be Elsa and Anna’s mom, right? —Deirdre
Ausiello: Maybe. Maybe not. The Once creators were mum on Pressman’s role at the L.A. premiere party, largely because she’s part of “a storyline that has never been introduced,” Eddy Kitsis explained. Added Adam Horowitz: “Out of context, we could tell you her [character’s] name, but it might confuse you. You’d be like, ‘So…?’”

 

Question: On Once Upon a Time, will Queen Elsa get a chance to bond much with another magical, emotionally closed off, formerly lonely woman who just got her family back (AKA Emma Swan)? —Robert
Ausiello: Elsa will actually play a very important role in Emma’s life, especially with regard to magic. Explains Jennifer Morrison: “Elsa’s definitely helpful in terms of her starting to figure out ways to focus her power, control her power and try to use it as effectively as possible.”

[regularlyleaded]

I guess it just irritates me that considering the crappy childhood and  stressful job we know that Emma has had in the past - not to mention the emotional toll of being abandoned and knocked up by Neal and sent to prison, that Emma never accidentally manifested magic (except for Henry's birth) before.  And if we do get a back story now that suggests otherwise, I'm calling bullshit because the second Emma began to believe and the second she realized she possessed magic it should have clicked into place immediately.  Not three seasons later because it dovetails so nicely with Frozen.

 

Emma has manifested magic outside of Henry's birth (as noted by sharky up thread, in the pilot ep when Emma first arrives in Storybrooke, she makes the power lines fritz), but I do see your point, angelwoody. You would think that if Emma had some sort of big traumatic experience with magic when younger, enough that it's affecting her now (assuming that the general speculation is right and that's what happened), that once she knew she had magic that would've clicked for her. But you know, it's this show. I think the creators are flying by the seat of their pants and they always deal with the natural consequences of events a couple of seasons too late (if ever) thereby making it generally inorganic to the characters' behavior when they finally address the issue. So...ya. :-/

 

ETA: Then again, within this show's timeline, it's not like Emma has had any time to really sit down for some self-reflection of her past (let alone process her current emotions). So, I suppose it's possible she's never connected whatever childhood trauma with her magic (assuming the childhood trauma is at all magic related or that there is a childhood trauma. this is all just spoiler based speculation). Once again, this is just another way the insane pacing and the runaway PlotPlotPlot train on this show is detrimental to the character development.

Edited September 23, 2014 by regularlyleaded

[YaddaYadda]

So the girl who can't control her powers is going to sort of "mentor" Emma?  That makes no sense!  Or maybe it's just me, I don't know...

[Souris]

Elsa seemed to learn to control her powers by the end of the movie. Maybe it doesn't work all the time, but she definitely has experience to relate to Emma.

 

Filming pics.

[stealinghome]

I don't know, it depends on how the show plays it (if that's the route they decide to go down). If she did manifest some magic in a big, traumatic way, it may well be that a young Emma freaked out and completely repressed the memory, or thought so hard about it she rationalized it away. Or it may be that young Emma didn't even see/understand what happened, but it was enough for a family to give her back--all she knew was something weird happened. I'm willing to let it play out.

 

I continue to be unimpressed with Hook's modern-day wardrobe.

Edited September 23, 2014 by stealinghome

[RadioGirl27]

I don't have a problem with the story per se, because if she hurted someone with magic when she was a very young kid, she could have forgoten about it. My problem with it it's that they are doing it just because of Frozen, not because they care about Emma or anything related to her. I'm pretty sure that if they could have done this story with Regina they would have done it. And, really, it seems that they are just copying the film, not doing something new and creative. So I'm happy with Emma having an actual storyline, but I just don't like the reasons why they are doing it, and the fact that they are just copying something already done.

[KingOfHearts]

 

I continue to be unimpressed with Hook's modern-day wardrobe.

It's like the same outfit as his usual just with zippers and slimmed down. It's not very creative, imo.

[RadioGirl27]

I think I already know why Emma is loosing control of her powers. Henry is transforming into Rumple.

[FabulousTater]

I wonder - is it possible that Emma was the one that was locked up in the jail to protect everyone else? I know the general spec is that it was Hook because of the behind the scenes picture of him sitting on the jail cell bed, but maybe he was there to talk to Emma (I'm assuming, of course, that the story has someone locked up at all). Emma was apparently in that scene since JMo was there, so maybe it was Emma they put in a cell if she was a danger to others??? (plus, that would jibe with another plot point from Frozen when they put Elsa in prison to protect everyone else even though it totally didn't help. )

Edited September 23, 2014 by FabulousTater

[retrograde]

I like his outfit fine, but it seems weird that he wouldn't change outfits now like other characters. Like, give him a slightly different shirt or a few jacket options at least. Of course, knowing this show, it could still be the same day as episode 4.

[Amerilla]

I think Hook's jacket is going to look downright ridiculous if they keep the old hook. It's ginormous - which worked with the 50-pound coat. The Jacket of Many Zippers? Not so much.

Looks like Jared grew more into his face over the summer break. There's just that point in adolescents where things aren't all growing at the same pace. He actually makes an adorable mini-Gold.

[NotBothered]

Emma was apparently in that scene since JMo was there, so maybe it was Emma they put in a cell if she was a danger to others??? (plus, that would jibe with another plot point from Frozen when they put Elsa in prison to protect everyone else even though it totally didn't help. )

I thought the same thing, but the dialogue in the scene seems to hint that they've been looking for Emma.  I'm thinking Emma could have potentially tried to put herself in jail, and then had it not work.  But I still think if she's running, she would be trying to go somewhere more isolated and less obvious than the Sheriff's station.  

 

I kind of like the idea that somehow happiness and love is what triggers Emma's power craziness.  I'm guessing that her magic went crazy when she was adopted...which was probably the first time she loved and felt loved.  And we've seen it spark for Henry related things, specifically the birth, which would have been a major outpouring of love (even if she wasn't conscious of it).  It doesn't seem like an over reach (especially with this show's standards), to have it spin out of control when she's potentially happy and in love.  She's (theoretically) happy with Hook, happy with her parents, happy with her son, and happy with baby Snowflake.  If love powers her magic, she's dealing with more power than she's ever had before.  

 

And after all, we have to get through "conceal, don't feel," to owning and acknowleding both her power and her feelings to get it under control.

 

Yes.  That is Frozen retold.  But I actually liked Frozen, and I'm okay with it driving Emma's plot since it is a plot that actually makes sense for Emma.  

Edited September 23, 2014 by NotBothered

[l star]

I don't mind parallels, but this sounds ridiculous. If they are going with Emma losing control of her powers and hurting those around her, that is a straight out copy of the movie. They are doing Frozen because everyone has seen it. Using those characters and copying their story lines is incredibly lazy.

I will join the train that thinks they will send Regina after her. I actually think it makes sense even as much as it annoys me. Unlike Elsa, Regina is a main character. She is also the one who has always been in charge of teaching Emma magic. If Emma's magic is out of control, it makes sense that they would send the person who has been working with her after her. Besides, going with the assumption that it will have have to be a main character if this is any kind of a substantial story, who else would they send? Neither of her parents have magic. Nor do her boyfriend or son. Regina and Rumple are really the only options and Regina will always be a better option than him.

[Jean]

You'd think Disney would want to keep their cash cow unique. Even the names are similar. It's kind of strange. I wonder what will the purely Frozen fans who do tune in think. This could backfire.

 

But I'm not going to complain. Beggars can't be choosers. As long as the soul sucker isn't involved, it's all good.

[stealinghome]

Regina and Rumple are really the only options and Regina will always be a better option than him.

I don't know--I think I'd prefer Rumpel to Regina, actually.

 

That said, given that Rumpel is off on his honeymoon and not an option, I do think it makes sense for Regina to chase Emma. Very practically, if Emma's magic is going crazy, Regina is going to be the only person who stands a chance of deflecting/fighting it and not getting hurt. Charming, Snow, or Hook going after her would likely result in that person being seriously injured--and imagine how awful Emma would feel then.

[kili]

Maybe they just think Emma is out of control, but it is really the Ice Queen framing her. Maybe even Emma thinks she is out of control Or maybe she's that Kai person from the original story who goes all heartless when some mirror shards get in her eye. You can't have Elsa and an Ice Queen in the same town and not have one of them up to something - and Elsa is not the villain.

 

When Rumple cut off Hook's hand and there was no blood and five seconds later he was wearing a hook, I said to myself "Hmm...okay, Rumple used some magic because he wanted his wife's boyfriend to live to suffer without a hand or his girlfriend". If Hook gets his hand back and cuts it off himself, shouldn't he be suffering for a while (iit's going to at least swell and hurt and if he goes to a real doctor, they are probably going to shorten his arm to get better margins)? Or does he trade housekeeping duties for some quick-ee healing spell from his old arch nemesis? Or are we just going to hand-wave getting one's hand  cut off and treat it like a paper cut?

 

Neither of her parents have magic. Nor do her boyfriend or son. Regina and Rumple are really the only options and Regina will always be a better option than him.

 

It would sure be nice if there was something useful the non-magical people in town could do. Talking down an agitated loved one might be something a family member might possibly be better at than the old guy that used you and the lady you have an uneasy detente with. The magical people can save the day when magic is required or they have a close relationship with the person in crisis. I just want the non-magical characters on the show to have some kind of narrative reason for existing (and not just be glorified extras we use to drape around the set when the climax of the sub-season goes down).  Anna isn't magical and she managed to make herself useful.

Edited September 23, 2014 by kili

[Jean]

 

I don't know--I think I'd prefer Rumpel to Regina, actually.

 

Well yes because a scene with 2 characters will always be preferable to watching Mary Sue and props. But besides that at least Rumple has never tried to kill Emma. The one time he got aggressive with her, all he had was a cane at his disposal.

 

 

 

That said, given that Rumpel is off on his honeymoon and not an option,

Not in Ep. 7. He's part of the crew chasing after Emma. Or maybe Belle is chasing after Emma and Rumple is just chasing Belle. Either way he's there. And Elsa might not be a main regular character but it's ELSA.

 

 

Anna isn't magical and she managed to make herself useful.

That's Disney's Anna. I have a feeling A&E's Anna is what got Elsa urned.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Jean

[Rumsy4]

 

That's Disney's Anna. I have a feeling A&E's Anna is what got Elsa urned.

 

Lol. She'll fit right in with the characters, then!

 

We can't know for sure until we see the season playing out, but to me it does seem like A&E are doing some blatant copying of Frozen themes. Emma's Magic goes haywire and someone (Killian? Elsa?) will help her realize that she can control it through love, just like Anna did for Elsa. And Emma is on a quest to keep Regina "good", which is apparently similar to what Anna did for Elsa (not really, but whatever). In the movie, Kristoff initially lets Anna go back to Hans alone, because he thinks Hans is her True Love, but he changes his mind and goes back for her--this may well fit in with the Regina/Robin/Marian triangle. From spoilers, we hear that Kristoff has some adjusting to do to life in the Palace (Hook vs Storybrooke), and Anna puts off marrying Kristoff because she's too busy saving her sister. I guess she will realize that she can't take him for granted like that, which will parallel Emma doing the same with Hook. Not sure where Rumbelle fits this plot, but they may get the Kai/Gerda storyline with EM's Snow Queen. 

[KingOfHearts]

Regina and Emma are going to have a big relationship arc this season, as I can tell from the recap. They're going to be Anna and Elsa. Emma went for Regina in 4x01, so Regina going after Emma later isn't unfounded.

(I'm actually kind of excited about it, because unlike other people, Emma deals with Regina effectively. She's not victim fodder. She doesn't pat Woegina's poor little head. We all know she'd be a better choice than Snow.)

Edited September 23, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[sharky]

Why are we all assuming that Regina goes after Emma? My first reaction in seeing these spoilers was thinking that Emma was getting in her car to drive to Regina's house and ask for her help -- not have Regina go after her. I would actually prefer this way. We've already seen Emma trying to do things on her own. Perhaps this is a safe way for her to ask someone for help when it's a relationship that she doesn't have as much of a stake in compared to her parents or Hook. And it gives Regina a way to feel like she is needed again since Robin is off with his wife. Accepting Emma in could also be a sign that she accepts what Emma has done with Marian -- and can show she can be a grown up about the whole situation with some distance from the actual event.

 

As for the Frozen parallels with the dangerous magic, I don't mind that. If anything, I wonder if TPTB at Disney preferred it that way as opposed to some other ideas A&E may have come up with. At least they know that idea has been tested before and works. Of course, that would mean that the studio has tighter reigns on the storyline than I had hoped but maybe that's what they need with this big power franchise. And as others have mentioned, if the Frozen fans are tuning in, it would seem logical that they would want a story similar to the movie they love so much.