Guest November 3, 2017 Share November 3, 2017 Personally I think they made a huge mistake not letting the general audience know that MICHAEL EMERSON was in this episode. They somehow manage to get one of the best actors to appear on a CW show and they keep it quiet?! What kind of nonsense! That being said, I think this is just the normal Arrow ratings now tbh, though Oliver not being GA is not exactly helping, IMO. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3781936
apinknightmare November 3, 2017 Share November 3, 2017 Yeah, I think their biggest mistake with promo here is keeping Michael Emerson a secret. It really doesn't make any sense. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3781943
Velocity23 November 3, 2017 Share November 3, 2017 Final ratings 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3782060
bijoux November 3, 2017 Share November 3, 2017 Is this another week in which Arrow has a higher demo, but lower number of total viewers than LoT? Are there any theories as to why this is? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3782521
lemotomato November 3, 2017 Share November 3, 2017 (edited) For all the accusations in some forums about the show only catering to Olicity fangirls, it's interesting that this week Arrow lost a share in the women 18-49 demo compared to the first 3 episodes, while men 18-49 has remained the same. Makes me wonder if CW PR will reconsider their action action action! themed promotion. Edited November 3, 2017 by lemotomato 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3782565
Morrigan2575 November 3, 2017 Share November 3, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, bijoux said: Is this another week in which Arrow has a higher demo, but lower number of total viewers than LoT? Are there any theories as to why this is? LoT gets more viewers outside the 18-49 demo, probably younger viewers. Edited November 4, 2017 by Morrigan2575 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3782583
strikera0 November 4, 2017 Share November 4, 2017 We are only 4 episodes into the new season and Arrow's 0,5's have been extremely weak the last 2 weeks. It's only a matter of time until it hits 0,4 and I really don't want to know what the ratings are going to look like in spring. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3782837
lemotomato November 4, 2017 Share November 4, 2017 (edited) Arrow's unrounded demo for this week was 0.478 according to spotted ratings. It's only a little drop from last week. If season 6 ratings follow season 5's pattern, demo in the spring can fall up to 0.25 lower than the premiere ratings and would still round up to a 0.4. But Arrow is going to hit an all-time low when it airs on Thanksgiving anyway, so I wouldn't bother stressing about ratings. They're fun to talk about, but Arrow's going to get renewed for at least another season and TPTB don't seem to care all that much. Edited November 4, 2017 by lemotomato 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3782914
Morrigan2575 November 4, 2017 Share November 4, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, strikera0 said: We are only 4 episodes into the new season and Arrow's 0,5's have been extremely weak the last 2 weeks. It's only a matter of time until it hits 0,4 and I really don't want to know what the ratings are going to look like in spring. We're only 4 episodes into the season and two shows that are half Arrow's age have had even weaker (2 or 3 weeks) demo's and, LoT just hit a 0.4. I'd be more worried about LoT and Supergirl than Arrow. Edited November 4, 2017 by Morrigan2575 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3782979
Mellowyellow November 4, 2017 Share November 4, 2017 Are DR, EBR and SA signed up for S8? Or only until end of S7? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3783028
Morrigan2575 November 4, 2017 Share November 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said: Are DR, EBR and SA signed up for S8? Or only until end of S7? SA is signed through S7 no one knows about the other 2. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3783034
BkWurm1 November 4, 2017 Share November 4, 2017 18 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said: SA is signed through S7 no one knows about the other 2. I swear that at one point all signs pointed to EBR being upped through 7 as well. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3783078
statsgirl November 5, 2017 Share November 5, 2017 I thought I read that she was given 6 year contract, which would take her through season 7. Which makes sense, if they were going to make Felicity Oliver's love interest, they should sign her portrayer as long as SA. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3785556
Morrigan2575 November 5, 2017 Share November 5, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, statsgirl said: I thought I read that she was given 6 year contract, which would take her through season 7. Which makes sense, if they were going to make Felicity Oliver's love interest, they should sign her portrayer as long as SA. Do you have a link for that writeup? The only thing I recall about EBR's was when Colton mentioned it as an aside and IIRC he said she had a 3 year contract, like him, which would have been up/renewed around S4. I'd be surprised if CW/WB etc to gave EBR a 6 year contract at the end of S1 since there was serious concern about CW's survival (at that point). Of course anything is possible. Edited November 5, 2017 by Morrigan2575 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3785889
JJ928 November 5, 2017 Share November 5, 2017 During one of the European conventions (not HVFF but I don’t remember if it was France or UK), people that were live tweeting said: she was nervous about signing the 6 year commitment but excited. I don’t know if there’s an official write up, but I remember seeing it during that time. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3785948
Morrigan2575 November 5, 2017 Share November 5, 2017 I'm surprised because it means they were willing to commit to EBR very early on. If the CW folded CW/WB would be on the hook for paying out her contract. Granted it's probably not a super high payout because of her lack of resume but, still that shows a commitment to EBR/Felicity. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3786035
calliope1975 November 5, 2017 Share November 5, 2017 Could they have put a clause in there that would sign EBR to 6 but nulls whatever remaining years if the CW folded? /not a lawyer Presumably, if the CW folded, she wouldn't be held and could find another job. (Then I remember the Writer's Guild issue of contracting writers to shorter seasons and not letting them seek other work in the interim.) Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3786297
Morrigan2575 November 5, 2017 Share November 5, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, calliope1975 said: Could they have put a clause in there that would sign EBR to 6 but nulls whatever remaining years if the CW folded? /not a lawyer Presumably, if the CW folded, she wouldn't be held and could find another job. (Then I remember the Writer's Guild issue of contracting writers to shorter seasons and not letting them seek other work in the interim.) I suppose anything is possible but, my understanding is that's unusual. From what I've heard only GG was given a long -term Flash contract for that specific reason, everyone else had shorter contracts some of which were up last year (renewal talks began in February for this season and beyond). Edited November 5, 2017 by Morrigan2575 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3786695
statsgirl November 6, 2017 Share November 6, 2017 EBR was barely known at the time so her buyout would have been small. She was excited just to get the first appearance in 1x03. Before Arrow, all she'd been in was a couple of short films and Flicka: Country Pride. Given the mistake that the SA/KC chemistry was and how he sparked with EBR,it makes sense to lock EBR down. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3788029
BkWurm1 November 6, 2017 Share November 6, 2017 The six year contract is what I remember as well. I do know I read somewhere that whatever her contract was, it was really low and pretty blatantly in the show's favor but that because she was an unknown she was told she would be an idiot not to sign by her agent. There were also rumors though that it was adjusted in like season three but I have no details. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3788736
quarks November 6, 2017 Share November 6, 2017 In season three EBR had guest star appearances in Flash and Legends of Tomorrow which would not have been in her original contract and where she presumably could have negotiated a higher per-episode appearance. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3788938
SmallScreenDiva November 6, 2017 Share November 6, 2017 Not specifically about the Arrow verse but could be interesting since we do also talk about ad rates and stuff Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3789068
JJ928 November 6, 2017 Share November 6, 2017 So I asked around on twitter if anyone had saved the EBR contract talk. A friend only had this tweet saved, but I do remember seeing more at the time. For now here is it: Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3789240
LeighAn November 6, 2017 Share November 6, 2017 All this talk about Emily's contract makes me think of the time CanadaGraphs insisted that Emily only gets paid on a day by day basis and that her working on other shows isn't a sign of how much they think of her usefulness in the Arrowverse but of them getting her to work for free. Lol. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3790588
Starfish35 November 7, 2017 Share November 7, 2017 (edited) This evening I was procrastinating on something else I was supposed to be doing, and was clicking around on Spotted Ratings, and found the sub-demos charts. So I wondered - hmm, how do these shows compare against each other when you put them on the same chart? If anyone is interested, this is what it looks like. I took off the lowest four CW shows for purposes of simplifying the data. And then flipped and looked at another way.... Edited November 7, 2017 by Starfish35 Added second chart 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3791765
BkWurm1 November 7, 2017 Share November 7, 2017 (edited) The Flash is such a dude heavy show (viewership) Edited November 7, 2017 by BkWurm1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3791768
Starfish35 November 7, 2017 Share November 7, 2017 (edited) The Riverdale numbers were particularly interesting - it's very high in W18-34. Also, I was surprised that Supergirl's female demos were not higher. Legends apparently skews older (#3 in A25-54). And Arrow skews younger than either Supergirl or Legends (ahead of both in all 18-34 categories). And Supernatural appeals across a broad range - it's #2 or #3 in every category. Edited November 7, 2017 by Starfish35 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3791773
Mellowyellow November 7, 2017 Share November 7, 2017 Lol @Starfish35 did you actually make that chart??? You are so bad! Get back to work =p 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3791782
bijoux November 7, 2017 Share November 7, 2017 31 minutes ago, Starfish35 said: Legends apparently skews older (#3 in A25-54). And Arrow skews younger than either Supergirl or Legends (ahead of both in all 18-34 categories). This part is particularly surprising. 33 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said: The Flash is such a dude heavy show (viewership) I laughed at the male 18-34 part of the chart. There are the other shows all hanging out in the same range, and The Flash just springs up like... well. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3791811
LeighAn November 7, 2017 Share November 7, 2017 5 hours ago, Starfish35 said: This evening I was procrastinating on something else I was supposed to be doing, and was clicking around on Spotted Ratings, and found the sub-demos charts. So I wondered - hmm, how do these shows compare against each other when you put them on the same chart? If anyone is interested, this is what it looks like. I took off the lowest four CW shows for purposes of simplifying the data. And then flipped and looked at another way.... Interesting. But there's far to many variables when comparing shows in different seasons, diffferent time slots different days etc. that's it's not truly comparable. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3792053
Starfish35 November 7, 2017 Share November 7, 2017 Unrounded finals from RJK at Spotted Ratings. Quote Here are the numbers for all of CW last week: ........................................ L+SD ....... L+3 ... The Flash ....................... 0.704 ...... 1.26 ... Supernatural .................. 0.645 ...... 0.97 ... Riverdale ....................... 0.573 ....... 0.98 ... Supergirl ........................ 0.483 ....... 0.78 ... Arrow ............................. 0.467 ....... 0.78 ... Legends of Tomorrow ... 0.424 ....... 0.70 ... Jane the Virgin .............. 0.244 ........ NA .... Dynasty ......................... 0.230 ....... 0.30 ... Crazy Ex-Girlfriend ........ 0.223 ........ NA ... Valor .............................. 0.208 ....... 0.27 ... 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3792904
Guest November 7, 2017 Share November 7, 2017 39 minutes ago, Starfish35 said: Unrounded finals from RJK at Spotted Ratings. What episode is that? 603 or 604? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3793007
Starfish35 November 7, 2017 Share November 7, 2017 604 - sorry. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3793182
strikera0 November 9, 2017 Share November 9, 2017 (edited) Arrow's Live +7 numbers throughout the first 3 weeks of the season: 6x01: 1.1 in A18-49 and 2.698 million viewers 6x02: 1.0 in A18-49 and 2.588 million viewers 6x03: 0.9 in A18-49 and 2.384 million viewers Source Edited November 9, 2017 by strikera0 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3799536
Soulfire November 10, 2017 Share November 10, 2017 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3802033
NumberCruncher November 10, 2017 Share November 10, 2017 Interesting no bump at all from the promo push of Deathstroke's return. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3802700
EmilyBettFan November 10, 2017 Share November 10, 2017 Yeah you could tell the episode was gonna be low because the RTs on arrow Twitter were considerably lower. The Tweet that got the most response was Amell's photo of the three of them. Emily, Stephen and Jack Moore. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3802815
WindofChange November 10, 2017 Share November 10, 2017 (edited) On 11/7/2017 at 2:09 AM, BkWurm1 said: The Flash is such a dude heavy show (viewership) Men probably like watching shows about male superheroes who never face the consequences of their shitty actions... They also probably like how everyone around said male superhero rarely ever chastise him... Edited November 10, 2017 by WindofChange 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3802822
apinknightmare November 10, 2017 Share November 10, 2017 1 hour ago, NumberCruncher said: Interesting no bump at all from the promo push of Deathstroke's return. Oliver and Felicity chased everyone away. :*( 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3802946
Morrigan2575 November 10, 2017 Share November 10, 2017 Finals Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3802959
thegirlsleuth November 10, 2017 Share November 10, 2017 I doubt it would be implemented immediately, but there were several news stories today about the possibility of getting rid of Thursday night football because the increase in injuries. It probably won't happen quickly, if at all, but it might help ratings. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3802995
SmallScreenDiva November 10, 2017 Share November 10, 2017 I'd love to see the half-hour. If people switched channels. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3803011
Morrigan2575 November 10, 2017 Share November 10, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, thegirlsleuth said: I doubt it would be implemented immediately, but there were several news stories today about the possibility of getting rid of Thursday night football because the increase in injuries. It probably won't happen quickly, if at all, but it might help ratings. Wimps! Actually I'd argue its cutting down on practices that are resulting in more injuries. Although I'm totally in favor of getting rid of Thursday night games but, I also want an extended season in exchange. Edited November 10, 2017 by Morrigan2575 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3803015
lemotomato November 10, 2017 Share November 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said: I'd love to see the half-hour. If people switched channels. Preliminary half hour ratings: 0.453 ... (0.472 ... 0.435) 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3803024
SmallScreenDiva November 10, 2017 Share November 10, 2017 44 minutes ago, lemotomato said: Preliminary half hour ratings: 0.453 ... (0.472 ... 0.435) Thanks! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3803123
EmilyBettFan November 11, 2017 Share November 11, 2017 Doesn't look like Slade stories resonate. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3803342
strikera0 November 11, 2017 Share November 11, 2017 12 hours ago, SmallScreenDiva said: I'd love to see the half-hour. If people switched channels. Half hours for Arrow always seem to drop. 6x01: 0.617 ... (0.652 ... 0.583) 6x02: 0.551 ... (0.574 ... 0.528) 6x03: 0.485 ... (0.503 ... 0.468) 6x04: 0.478 ... (0.517 ... 0.438) Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3804319
kismet November 11, 2017 Share November 11, 2017 23 hours ago, thegirlsleuth said: I doubt it would be implemented immediately, but there were several news stories today about the possibility of getting rid of Thursday night football because the increase in injuries. It probably won't happen quickly, if at all, but it might help ratings. That just needs to happen because there is way too many days pro football could be on. I get it for opening day or maybe a holiday, but it's just too much. And the turn around is too soon. It's on so late that usually I can watch my entire Thurs TV line-up and then tune in for the 4th quarter. Then again, I only watch it when my team is on, so the 4th quarter is generally the only/most important one, so it's not like I help/hurt its ratings. Plus, it makes for a really rough Friday. 23 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said: Wimps! Actually I'd argue its cutting down on practices that are resulting in more injuries. Although I'm totally in favor of getting rid of Thursday night games but, I also want an extended season in exchange. That wouldn't be a bad idea. I also think we could eliminate a lot of preseason. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3805428
BkWurm1 November 12, 2017 Share November 12, 2017 I'd be all for getting rid of evening football. I resent like crazy when it messes up my television recordings because games go overtime. If it helps Arrow's ratings, bonus! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3805979
Morrigan2575 November 12, 2017 Share November 12, 2017 42 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said: I'd be all for getting rid of evening football. I resent like crazy when it messes up my television recordings because games go overtime. If it helps Arrow's ratings, bonus! Only Thursday. Sorry but Sunday Night Football is usually the best game of the week, even if I have to suffer through (Shut Up!) Collinsworth ? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/61/#findComment-3806069
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