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46 minutes ago, WhineandCheez said:

Yeah, I guess you can call Graham's veiled threat "foaming at the mouth":

Well let me put it this way to my Republican colleagues. If this becomes the new standard where you have an accusation for weeks, you drop it right before the hearing, you withhold from the committee a chance to do this in a professional timely fashion. When they say they’re going to do this is to delay the vote, get the Senate back in 2018 so they can fill the seat. I don’t want to publicly reward that kind of behavior. (WhineandCheez adds: MERRICKGARLANDMERRICKGARLANDMERRICKGARLAND because that seems to be all I can say anymore..) I think we’ve been very fair. And to my Republican colleagues. If you can ignore everything in this record an allegation that’s 35 years old, that’s uncertain in time, place, date and no corroboration. If that’s enough for you, God help us all as Republicans. Because this happens to us, but this never happens to them. Let me tell my democratic friends, if this is the new norm, you better watch out for your nominees.

If that’s enough for you, God help us all as Republicans. Because this happens to us, but this never happens to them. [Eliot adds ALFRANKENALFRANKENALFRANKENALFRANKEN] Let me tell my democratic friends, if this is the new norm, you better watch out for your nominees.

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Elise is tweeting they should delay the vote (after Flake's announcement), but "only one week".  So as with everyone else on Morning Clusterfuck, she's riding both sides of the fence. 

What is the fucking rush? They should talk to every single person that has either made a statement, or knows anything about this party, whose name is on that idiot calendar, etc.

The woman Kavanaugh kept saying yesterday that she didn't know anything, has made a statement that her attorney sent that statement, and she does know what Ford was talking about. 

Ford tried to stop this before it ever got to him being nominated when it was announced he was on the short list.  All they had to do was investigate without exposing her name, or his, prior to the announcement.  That there were allegations that should be looked into.  No one would have ever known, he would have kept his seat, and there would have been another nominee. 

But Trump wanted Kavanaugh, and didn't have them look into it. 

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On 9/25/2018 at 10:51 AM, teddysmom said:

I have not seen a single journalist tv or print, call Brett Kavanaugh a rapist. I'm pretty sure the in house counsel for whoever they work for would tell everyone, do not say anything remotely close to that, as it has not been proven and you could be sued.

Joe is getting that and his other bs from Fox.  They ran the NYT original comment about Debbie Ramirez all day on a chyron, way after the Times had corrected the statement. 

 

 

Joe was back on this today -- a week later. Who called Kavanaugh a rapist? What statement did the NYT even have to correct? 

 

On 9/25/2018 at 2:22 PM, stormy said:

Does Mika have a trademark on Know Your Value. Which she has cutely made into the acronym KYV.

 

Every time I see this, my mind starts to interpret it as KY jelly.

 

On 9/25/2018 at 3:03 PM, cased said:

Joe does get bonus points, though, for apparently getting up early every Saturday to go an buy coffee for Mika.

 

Maybe someday, these two struggling kids will be able to scrape together the dough to buy a coffee pot. If they schedule the wedding, they might even get one as a present.

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While the show is still airing ... Mika is going on a barely literate rant against Greta and Mediaite. How ... strange. 

Mika’s grammar is atrocious. No wonder her father had to write her private high school application. 

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And now Mika is retweeting Internet ransoms. I guess she’s back to reading her mentions. This is so bizarre. 

ETA and now Cuomo.

ETA 2 and Cuomo said he’s trying to connect with her privately to talk about this but she won’t answer. 

CNN vs MSNBC drama! 

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I'm going to have to side with Mika v KAC only because when Conway said Ford has been treated like a Fabrege egg yesterday, I wanted to throw up.

KAC is so offensive to me on so many levels.

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So why doesn't Mika give us the details of her assault?  

Oh that's right, Mika's rules don't apply to Mika.

Don't sleep with your co workers. Take time for your kids. Don't dress provocatively at work.  Be informed. 

hahahahahahahahahaha

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1 hour ago, teddysmom said:

So why doesn't Mika give us the details of her assault?  

Oh that's right, Mika's rules don't apply to Mika.

Don't sleep with your co workers. Take time for your kids. Don't dress provocatively at work.  Be informed. 

hahahahahahahahahaha

It’s convenient the only time she’s offered some sort of half hearted support for CBF is when she can use it as an axe to grind against a personal enemy (KAC, the woman not the pig she named after the woman) and advance her white middle class suburban “feminism” scheme (KYV laydeees ?).

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24 minutes ago, XOQueens said:

It’s convenient the only time she’s offered some sort of half hearted support for CBF is when she can use it as an axe to grind against a personal enemy (KAC, the woman not the pig she named after the woman) and advance her white middle class suburban “feminism” scheme (KYV laydeees ?).

Exactly! She's the original menopausal Mean Girl. 

Ten bucks says she has a Burn Book. 

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I am sick at heart at the end of this day.  It is also depressing (but not really unexpected) to see how this show has turned around from where it was just a few months ago.  The Gold Dust Twins seem to have forgotten who their audience is; I can only hope the ratings take a dive.  Or that Andy Lack loses his job.  All I know is that although I will miss Heileman and maybe a couple of others (but not Elise or Susan Del Percio) I need a break.  Mr. Kemper is not on board with this...he watches from another room (yes, I have banished him) and yells back at me when he gets irritated at the hi-jinks.  Good times at the homestead. 

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19 hours ago, stormy said:

I look at MJ as pure entertainment. 

I don't like the hosts (including Willie) or 99% of the guests. Other MSNBC  shows get better and more interesting guests.

This is a lot of it in a nutshell; other than MJ being entertaining...at least for the last few months or so.  The entire schtick (sorry if that is is misspelled) is stale...the guests in particular.  Same blathering from the hosts, same entitlement from the regulars (Barnicle, Willie) and the same platitudes from most of the usual guests.    

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Yep. It's always interesting to tune into Chris Hayes, Rachel and LO and there are guests talking about the same things MJ is but without the same worn out faces and opinions

Lawrence in particular had people on I'd never heard of before the past couple of weeks.

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On 10/4/2018 at 8:45 PM, novhappy said:

I remember what Mika said when she mentioned her sexual assault on the show.  She said that maybe she would tell the story one day.  I can understand that she might not want to talk about it, but she keeps teasing the audience about it.  When she called Conway opportunistic, it seems to me that Mika is also being opportunistic.

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KAC is using her past sexual assault to indicate that she has sympathy for other victims.  She is saying this to offset her actual actions which are the opposite of sympathetic or helpful to victims at all. That’s despicable. 

Mila is alluding to an assault in her past to get attention, and to try to wedge herself into a currently prominent group/issue. also gross. 

Nobody has to talk about it unless they feel it will help them or someone else heal. 

These two, tho.  #metoo indeed

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To honor the imminent return of our long-time dear Canadian friend oakville, here is a most excellent book (which, after many readings, still brings me smiles and gut-wrenching sobs): 

The Day the World Came to Town: 9/11 in Gander, Newfoundland by Jim DeFede
 

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After handling the initial nicotine crisis caused by the smoking ban aboard the planes parked on the runway [by providing nicotine gum and patches] Kevin O'Brien, owner of MediPlus Pharmacy, rallied the other pharmacists in the area to face an even more daunting challenge. Many of the passengers had packed their prescription medication away in their luggage before leaving Europe. Since all of their bags were still on the plane, they were desperate to have those prescriptions replaced while they were stranded.

In most cases, the passengers didn't have their actual prescriptions with them. In each case, O'Brien and the other pharmacists had to call the hometown doctor or pharmacist so they would know the exact medication and dosage and had a new prescription sent. During one stretch O'Brien and his wife Rhonda worked forty-two hours straight, making calls to a dozen different countries.

Surprisingly, there isn't one universal standard for identifying drugs. A drug such as Atenol, commonly prescribed to patients with high blood pressure, can go by different names in different countries. A pharmacist for more than twenty years, O'Brien spent hours on the Internet, and worked with the local hospital and Canadian health officials, to sort through the maze of prescriptions and find the right drugs for each passenger. In the first twenty-four hours, pharmacists in Gander filled more than a thousand prescriptions. All at no cost to the passengers. 

 

240 flights were rerouted to Canada when American airspace was closed and 39 of those flights ended up in Gander, population 10,400. For three days, the townspeople of Gander (and surrounding areas) came through magnificently, as 6,579 marooned passengers and crew members swelled their population by two-thirds. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/on-sept-11-a-tiny-canadian-town-opened-its-runways-and-heart-to-7000-stranded-travelers/2016/09/08/89d875da-75e5-11e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html?utm_term=.489acdb21d2d

O Canada!

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27 minutes ago, suomi said:

To honor the imminent return of our long-time dear Canadian friend oakville, here is a most excellent book (which, after many readings, still brings me smiles and gut-wrenching sobs): 

The Day the World Came to Town: 9/11 in Gander, Newfoundland by Jim DeFede
 

240 flights were rerouted to Canada when American airspace was closed and 39 of those flights ended up in Gander, population 10,400. For three days, the townspeople of Gander (and surrounding areas) came through magnificently, as 6,579 marooned passengers and crew members swelled their population by two-thirds. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/on-sept-11-a-tiny-canadian-town-opened-its-runways-and-heart-to-7000-stranded-travelers/2016/09/08/89d875da-75e5-11e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html?utm_term=.489acdb21d2d

O Canada!

I didn't know there was a book about this. I'm going to put it on my wish list. I saw a TV documentary that I really enjoyed.

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19 hours ago, madfortv said:

remember what Mika said when she mentioned her sexual assault on the show.  She said that maybe she would tell the story one day.  I can understand that she might not want to talk about it, but she keeps teasing the audience about it.  When she called Conway opportunistic, it seems to me that Mika is also being opportunistic.

I thought she already had. I think it was high school age or college, she was out horseback riding at the stable where she kept her horse. Some man came up to her and grabbed her and tried to do something to her but she got away, unharmed.  

Not denying it happened, and that it was traumatizing, but Mika and her "someday we'll talk about it", is her brand. Some day I'll explain how I cheated on my husband, someday I'll marry Joe, someday I'll talk about whatever. Also, Mika does jump on the "whatever is happening now" bandwagon when it suits her.

I know if alien abduction started happening, Mika would have been sucked up into a spaceship and probed, and someday she'll talk about it. 

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1 hour ago, teddysmom said:

I thought she already had. I think it was high school age or college, she was out horseback riding at the stable where she kept her horse. Some man came up to her and grabbed her and tried to do something to her but she got away, unharmed.  

Not denying it happened, and that it was traumatizing, but Mika and her "someday we'll talk about it", is her brand. Some day I'll explain how I cheated on my husband, someday I'll marry Joe, someday I'll talk about whatever. Also, Mika does jump on the "whatever is happening now" bandwagon when it suits her.

I know if alien abduction started happening, Mika would have been sucked up into a spaceship and probed, and someday she'll talk about it. 

From her first book: she was 13, had dismounted and walked with her horse for awhile and then had more trouble than usual getting back in the saddle. Within public view, some dude appeared and helped her re-mount and walked away. He re-appeared when she reached an isolated path, stuck a gun in her horse's mane,  threatened to shoot if she didn't cooperate, pulled her off the horse, pistol-whipped her, dragged her into a ditch. She had the presence of mind to invoke her father's government role and his power, and dude ghosted.

There was also a relationship she alluded to several times on the show, with the son of a Middle Eastern president, someone her parents promoted? Or was he an ambassador's son? Anyway, it sounded like he was grooming her for bigger and better things - she was OK with sunbathing topless but wasn't into the porn he introduced. It hasn't come up on the show since the last mention, when the man she is engaged to snarled at her to Shaddup about it.

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48 minutes ago, suomi said:

From her first book: she was 13, had dismounted and walked with her horse for awhile and then had more trouble than usual getting back in the saddle. Within public view, some dude appeared and helped her re-mount and walked away. He re-appeared when she reached an isolated path, stuck a gun in her horse's mane,  threatened to shoot if she didn't cooperate, pulled her off the horse, pistol-whipped her, dragged her into a ditch. She had the presence of mind to invoke her father's government role and his power, and dude ghosted.

Thanks!!  I didn't recall the part about being beaten with the gun, so apologies if my version sounded like it was being trivialized, I thought it was just a guy came up and got a little weird and she got away from him. 

 

48 minutes ago, suomi said:

Anyway, it sounded like he was grooming her for bigger and better things - she was OK with sunbathing topless but wasn't into the porn he introduced. It hasn't come up on the show since the last mention, when the man she is engaged to snarled at her to Shaddup about it.

Ahh Joe, keepin' it classy. 

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45 minutes ago, suomi said:

From her first book: she was 13, had dismounted and walked with her horse for awhile and then had more trouble than usual getting back in the saddle. Within public view, some dude appeared and helped her re-mount and walked away. He re-appeared when she reached an isolated path, stuck a gun in her horse's mane,  threatened to shoot if she didn't cooperate, pulled her off the horse, pistol-whipped her, dragged her into a ditch. She had the presence of mind to invoke her father's government role and his power, and dude ghosted.

There was also a relationship she alluded to several times on the show, with the son of a Middle Eastern president, someone her parents promoted? Or was he an ambassador's son? Anyway, it sounded like he was grooming her for bigger and better things - she was OK with sunbathing topless but wasn't into the porn he introduced. It hasn't come up on the show since the last mention, when the man she is engaged to snarled at her to Shaddup about it.

I assumed it was a different incident because of the words, in the last year, "someday I will tell you about it", and the fact that she had already written about being attacked and pulled off of her horse in her first book.

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2 minutes ago, madfortv said:

I assumed it was a different incident because of the words, in the last year, "someday I will tell you about it", and the fact that she had already written about being attacked and pulled off of her horse in her first book.

Me too. Enough with the coy, either spit it out or move along.

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Get out your Morning Joe Barf Bags. 

Mika used to make 14 times less than Joe, but "now I'm in a good place".   Mika I can read books on how to ask for a raise and re package it as my own and sell it to unwitting women, but I have a little something called principles,  All your  entire KYV schtick is nothing but copy and pasting articles from web sites onto yours. 

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2018/10/210957/mika-brzezinski-trump-raise-morning-joe

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I just find it messed up that Mika's idea of KYV is how to ask for a raise.

Isn't knowing your value more than that? Not all women are in a job situation that would even allow for that, maybe have to work two jobs to make ends meet because they didn't get to go to a fancy, private liberal arts college or college at all.

It's like she's stuck in some other reality. Hmm. Just like all her privileged white cohorts.

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She has a video on Twitter "WOMEN OF CALIFORNIA!!! SEND ME A VIDEO TELLING ME WHY YOU DESERVE $25,000 BONUS!"

no purchase necessary.  So you don't have to buy a "Stick Your Leg In The Air Like You Just Don't Care" sweatshirt. 

I don't even get the idea behind going around telling women to send her videos.   Is this a Devil's Triangle situation? 

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On 2018-10-08 at 12:10 PM, madfortv said:

I assumed it was a different incident because of the words, in the last year, "someday I will tell you about it", and the fact that she had already written about being attacked and pulled off of her horse in her first book.

Dr z set up Mika with son of Gemayel, president of Lebanon. He took her to x rated movies and told her not to wear a top on the bikini

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26 minutes ago, oakville said:

Dr z set up Mika with son of Gemayel, president of Lebanon. He took her to x rated movies and told her not to wear a top on the bikini

Dr. Z set her up on this nightmare . . . . Christ these people.  No wonder she's such a mess.

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Meeks called into Stephanie Miller this morning and I don't think it went as expected.  They at first chatted amicably but then Stephanie brought up MJ's enabling behavior with Trump and she didn't take it well.  She went off on this tangent about how people don't know what was said by them to Trump behind the scenes and that it got so bad during one phone call that their driver had to pull over and leave the car.  Stephanie tried to clean things up and move onto that updated KYV mess but the conversation ended quickly.  Afterward said she would like to have her back so they could spend more time talking things through (good luck with that) but callers let Stephanie know don't bother as they don't want to hear from her or either of their B.S..  Maybe they should change the name of the show to Morning No.

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2 minutes ago, stormy said:

I love Stephanie!

Me, too! But I wish she would get a chair/seat of the proper height so that she can quit hunching forward. MY back hurts when I watch her do that for too long. She is a smart, classy, funny, gorgeous gal who happens to be amply endowed. Sit tall! Stand tall! (While they're still above your waist.) 

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1 hour ago, Chloesmom said:

Stephanie Miller

I read this and missed the "Miller" part and my brain thought "Ruhle" and I was losing it reading this like OMG this happened live on MSNBC!!  We wish! 

My sister has Sirius, so she might have heard it. I don't and I wish I could find it online somehow.  God Love Stephanie MIller! 

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2 minutes ago, teddysmom said:

I read this and missed the "Miller" part and my brain thought "Ruhle" and I was losing it reading this like OMG this happened live on MSNBC!!  We wish! 

My sister has Sirius, so she might have heard it. I don't and I wish I could find it online somehow.  God Love Stephanie MIller! 

ME, TOO! I floved it so much that I read it a bunch of times and I was bummed !!! that I missed it. Then I felt all deflated after I googled Stephanie Miller "just to be sure" and realized what the deal was. For a couple minutes there, it was the best part of my week so far. 

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2 hours ago, Chloesmom said:

She went off on this tangent about how people don't know what was said by them to Trump behind the scenes

Behind the scenes was cozy enough for Joe to help him with his speeches...

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This morning Joe was ranting about "when Trump was on our show, when he was ON OUR SHOW, in Dec 2015 and said Putin was great becos he had people killed and we called him on it", during the discussion of Saudi Arabia murdering that journalist, I about fell off the sofa.  

After that, any decent journalist would have NEVER had him back on - he said it's okay to have the State kill people. 

Rachel Maddow banned Pat Buchanan for making racist remarks in a book and not taking it back, FFS. 

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My Stephanie Miller/Stephanie Ruhle self-induced confusion convinced me that I deserved a treat, so I re-watched Ruhle and Tur getting the first wave from Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, after the Royal Wedding. Those two! Letting on as if they were "punch drunk" from excitement and fatigue. Wink wink. Along with the first wave they also got Some Serious Side Eye from Harry, which I didn't notice the first 10 times I originally watched the clip. Steph is convinced that she favors Kate Middleton and I will gladly give her that. What I didn't see until today is how much Katy resembles Pippa! Anyway, they were having a blast, and Ruhle's giddy Wedding Wiggle rules! Especially because Kasie ! is dead to me now. Has anyone checked out Steph's career notes/accomplishments on Wiki (or elsewhere)? All the stuff she's done, the causes she works for, really/really shines a big honking light on the scam called KYV. Brzezinski talks it but Ruhle  walks it. Pffftt. That's why I was over the moon when I thought she was the Stephanie who called Mika out. But still, good on Miller!

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Mika was probably off licking her wounds from another drag fest on Twitter yesterday. 

She has an instagram post about " You are not prepared unless you know the market value of your contributions.  What I've learned is you should constantly be asking people about salary"

Instead of knowing the subjects they'll discuss on a daily basis, she's trying to figure out if Stephanie Ruhle makes more $ than she does. 

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11 hours ago, suomi said:

My Stephanie Miller/Stephanie Ruhle self-induced confusion convinced me that I deserved a treat, so I re-watched Ruhle and Tur getting the first wave from Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, after the Royal Wedding. Those two! Letting on as if they were "punch drunk" from excitement and fatigue. Wink wink. Along with the first wave they also got Some Serious Side Eye from Harry, which I didn't notice the first 10 times I originally watched the clip. Steph is convinced that she favors Kate Middleton and I will gladly give her that. What I didn't see until today is how much Katy resembles Pippa! Anyway, they were having a blast, and Ruhle's giddy Wedding Wiggle rules! Especially because Kasie ! is dead to me now. Has anyone checked out Steph's career notes/accomplishments on Wiki (or elsewhere)? All the stuff she's done, the causes she works for, really/really shines a big honking light on the scam called KYV. Brzezinski talks it but Ruhle  walks it. Pffftt. That's why I was over the moon when I thought she was the Stephanie who called Mika out. But still, good on Miller!

Have you seen the outtakes? Katy is checking her make up and doesn't know they're rolling to start an intro to a segment before the carriage comes thru , Steph nudges her and they burst out laughing. 

Would it be rude to link Stephanie's Wiki page to a tweet to Mika?  Hey Miss Know Your Value! Check it out! Your coworker actually does something other than hold a ten year grudge because she wasn't making the same as her boyfriend.  That's all KYV is. Her grudge against MSNBC for not paying her millions of dollars to read the news and flirt with Joe.  Granted, women aren't paid fairly, but Mika, you also have to prove your worth outside the bedroom.  Study up on foreign policy, economics, domestic issues, not just shopping with Joe's Platinum AmEx card. 

Here is Mika's wiki page. It's basically five paragraphs outlining her career of hissy fits & feuds. Paris Hilton, Kellyanne Conway, being the subject of an email from DWS to Chuck Todd and another on how long it took her to be able to read a teleprompter and hold a conversation on live tv. Also, she doesn't like it when you call her the "hot anchor".  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mika_Brzezinski

And here's the story about the DWS email, which is not nearly as controversial as Mika tried to make it sound, claiming that the Clinton campaign wanted her off the air.  Campaigns call networks all the time and ask for clarifications, etc. when they feel something is being reported incorrectly.  Chuck Todd said it was not outside the norm at all.   Nothing about Clinton demanding Mika being taken off MSNBC.   They decided it was just a personality clash and let it go.   

https://www.mediaite.com/online/leaked-emails-shows-dnc-chair-told-chuck-todd-negative-coverage-must-stop/

Here is Stephanie Ruhle's wiki page. The contrast between hers and Mika is beyond stunning.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_Ruhle

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53 minutes ago, teddysmom said:

Mika was probably off licking her wounds from another drag fest on Twitter yesterday. 

She has an instagram post about " You are not prepared unless you know the market value of your contributions.  What I've learned is you should constantly be asking people about salary"

Instead of knowing the subjects they'll discuss on a daily basis, she's trying to figure out if Stephanie Ruhle makes more $ than she does. 

I have unfortunately been out of the corporate world for a while but I remember snooping around about salary as being an actionable offense?

Stephanie (Miller) is still trying to clean up after Meeks yesterday.  I missed this part yesterday but I guess she also went off on Hillary and Diane Feinstein and Stephanie (Miller) is trying to make sense of it.  Her guest today told her to forget it, move on and stop trying to figure those two out.  So now they are equally as unpopular on radio as they are on TV.

I only caught about 5 minutes of the show and actually laughed out loud when I heard "she had the morning off".  Be a little more gracious to people that are trying to help you and maybe you wouldn't be incinerated on Twitter.

eta:  I stand corrected, the KYV gang is getting together in DC today (and as usual the replies do not disappoint):

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