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This does not make sense to me at all. Escalus and Rosaline obviously have the hots for each other but he gets her engaged to another dude in order to help restore her to nobility? Being the prince, isn't there an obvious way to do this? Oh geez, is this another of Shonda Rhimes' adulterors? What's her deal with them? Even if that isn't the case, I don't like the dude. Rosaline does not want this, but apparently he knows better. I guess it fits with Romeo and Juliet, but it really feels like high school.

  On 1/1/2017 at 8:45 PM, bijoux said:

This does not make sense to me at all. Escalus and Rosaline obviously have the hots for each other but he gets her engaged to another dude in order to help restore her to nobility? Being the prince, isn't there an obvious way to do this? Oh geez, is this another of Shonda Rhimes' adulterors? What's her deal with them? Even if that isn't the case, I don't like the dude. Rosaline does not want this, but apparently he knows better. I guess it fits with Romeo and Juliet, but it really feels like high school.

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It just seems like a weird mash-up of R&J and Cinderella. I'll tune in because I enjoy costume dramas and Shonda rarely fails to deliver a few good seasons of TV. But yeah, the whole adulterors thing is getting old - although it is on par with an obstacle for star-crossed lovers if one of them is stuck in an arranged marriage/engagement while in love with someone else.

Sidenote - I don't see who Escalus is supposed to be according to this link. Is he supposed to be the destined lover?

I thought the forced fiance was supposed to be the destined lover? Escalus is the prince who cares for her and smooches her passionately, yet arranges this engagement, to which neither party is consenting. Odd narrative choice.

I went off SR sometime around the time I realized that Private Practice managed to be even more immature than Grey's despite the fact that the characters were 10+ years older. I went back to Grey's for a while, but then I got tired of her killing all the people. I watched MASH and the casualties count was way lower than here.

  On 1/2/2017 at 5:33 AM, bijoux said:

I thought the forced fiance was supposed to be the destined lover? Escalus is the prince who cares for her and smooches her passionately, yet arranges this engagement, to which neither party is consenting. Odd narrative choice.

I went off SR sometime around the time I realized that Private Practice managed to be even more immature than Grey's despite the fact that the characters were 10+ years older. I went back to Grey's for a while, but then I got tired of her killing all the people. I watched MASH and the casualties count was way lower than here.

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Agree on Private Practice and Grey's which is why I moved on after a few seasons. Basically when they killed George and honestly can't remember when I dropped PP but I think it was around the time Taye Diggs character got a divorce.

I also think those coincide with when SR perhaps had less influence on the show. I think she set ups pretty interesting concepts. But I've watched enough of her shows to know when it's time for me to take the loss and walk away. This is going to be a pivotal season for me for Scandal.

But gosh darnit, GA seems to have contracted the Energizer bunny disease, that show just doesn't seem to be dying off any time soon. Friends whom I never thought would watch it, were talking about it over NYE. Just crazy.

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It's been on 8 seasons and I've yet to watch a Vampire Diaries episode in its entirety but got the gist of the show from online chatter and the occasional  YouTube clip.

Im watching it from the start now- mainly out of utter boredom- up to episode 9 and wow must they must have done a lot of rehab on Damon to make him shipable with Elena cause right now I don't see it.

Awww, memories of my TVD marathon of like 5 years ago! Congrats, you're already through the worst of (early) TVD! No spoilers, but...they didn't do a whole lot of real rehab on Damon as much as just slowly make him less overtly horrible, give him a little bit of a woobie backstory, and then just hope everyone would forget the early stuff. Which worked for a lot of people, even mostly for me. He does become more interesting and enjoyable (IMO) as they make him more complex and less cartoony, but...there's just no erasing some of that stuff that happens early on. I hope you enjoy--the part of S1 you're into now + S2 is some of my favorite fun TV of all time.

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I liked S3 too, but I have more problems with it than S2, for sure. But when I recommend the show to people now, I usually tell them to watch S1-3 and quit there if they're satisfied, because while there are a few bright spots in later seasons, it's mostly not worth it, IMO. (But I was watching live by that point--it might have been more fun to watch in marathon format.)

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Well first impression is the writing is actually surprisingly good for CW standards but most CW shows do have good writing for the first 2 seasons. 

Oh I'm totally already prepared for the poor me back story I'm just a wounded Vampire with a tragic past love me even though I do despicable things. But yeah Damon has like killed 1 of her friends and her brothers girlfriend and turned her into a vampire, tried to kill 2 of her other friends and physically mentally and sexually abused one of them, killed her aunts boyfriend and turned him into a vampire, killed Stefans friend etc.

Right now I like Elena I'm hoping she still at least keeps her self respect as a character when they Spike/Buffy them. 

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  On 12/19/2016 at 4:44 PM, calliope1975 said:

DreamWorks Face is it's own trope - http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DreamworksFace. Heh.

I was looking forward to this because of Guillermo Del Toro until I found out MG was involved. Now, I'm way more 'eh' on the project. See, MG? When you're an ass to people, it makes me not want to support your work. Ass. 

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I binged this over the holidays.  It's not perfect but I enjoyed it.  It took me a bit to get into it though.  But once I got hooked on the story, I finished it pretty quickly. 

One thing I didn't realize until I got into it (because I was paying no attention to the credits) was that Anton Yelchin did the voice for the lead character.  He died before it was finished, but apparently he had most of his dialogue recorded. 

Here's an interview with Guillermo Del Toro about Anton: http://www.indiewire.com/2016/12/guillermo-del-toro-anton-yelchin-trollhunters-season-2-1201761630/

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Question:

Would you guys rage if riiiiiiight at the end of the series there was a 30 second Olicity reunion?

I once invested my time on 16 DVDs worth of a series (someone assured me the ship ended together! I took their word for it and didn't watch the last DVD to check) and right at the end the reunion was 30 secs. I was baffled! I cursed my friend who still thought it was the best series EVA because they got together.

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  On 1/5/2017 at 2:17 AM, LeighAn said:

Right now I like Elena I'm hoping she still at least keeps her self respect as a character when they Spike/Buffy them. 

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  On 1/5/2017 at 11:27 AM, CooperTV said:
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Haha yeah I can already see the signs there when like two episodes after he tries to kill Bonnie she's going on road trips and drinking with him and getting all devastated at the prospect of him being killed for killing an innocent Lexi for his own crimes

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  On 1/5/2017 at 12:18 PM, LeighAn said:

Haha yeah I can already see the signs there when like two episodes after he tries to kill Bonnie she's going on road trips and drinking with him and getting all devastated at the prospect of him being killed for killing an innocent Lexi for his own crimes

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I stopped watching after season 5 (I think),

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  On 1/5/2017 at 2:47 PM, Mellowyellow said:

Are there plans to reunite Caroline and Klaus? I think I saw an article mentioning it. They are on different shows though! 

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I think the show is on track for Stefan/Caroline endgame this season, and they started to write Caroline pining for Stefan since around season 6

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Vampire Diaries is insane.

I feel like during my binge watch I should make a thing Vampire Diaries wants you to forget so you totes love Delena. Exhibit A Damon grabbed Elena by the neck and threaten to bleed her dry to ransom Stefan to do what he wants.

I wouldn't say I ship Stefan and Elena I find them a little vanilla which might explain the Delena passion in the VD fandom but I will say from what Ove seen so far they have a very mature adult relationship devoid of the usual teen drama romance cliches and I like the fact that they talk to each other, they consult each other and respect one another. That Stefan isn't condescending or patronising towards Elena and that he allows her to make her own choices and be entitled to her own feelings with out forcing her and pressuring her to follow his. And on the ocassions that he does do so Elena calls it out for the bull shit that it is.

Stefan got big props for the whole "she has to make the choice to want to be with me I'm not going to use sex or attraction to force her hand" convo.

That being said they are very vanilla. So in that regard I can understand why the show made a change. 

  On 1/5/2017 at 3:12 PM, CooperTV said:

I stopped watching after season 5 (I think),

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That was Season 4, which was extremely infuriating, yes. I think Season 5 was probably the worst season on the whole though, while S6 was kind of a creative rebirth, and enjoyable for a good portion. I might have watched the S7 premiere, but then I quit.

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  On 1/5/2017 at 3:39 PM, LeighAn said:

That being said they are very vanilla. So in that regard I can understand why the show made a change. 

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I'd say the show made a change mostly because Kevin Williamson, the original showrunner, left after season 4. And Julie Plec, the current showrunner, loved Damon so much, she decided to wrap the show entirely around Damon's manpain and angst.

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I'm basically incredibly bitter over everything the show did after the certain point in time, that's why I stopped watching it in the first place.

There's also a bit of BTS drama gossip, since Ian Samerhalder and Nina Dobrev were an item for five years, and then they broke up around season 5-6 and Ian married Nikki Reed couple months later, and Nina Dobrev left the show.

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  On 1/5/2017 at 4:02 PM, Carrie Ann said:

I think Season 5 was probably the worst season on the whole though, while S6 was kind of a creative rebirth, and enjoyable for a good portion.

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Oh Im sure theres other reasons and I have heard some of them- the BTS Nina/Ian stuff anyway. I guess Im just curious in the event that they didnt explore Damon/Elena whether Stefan/Elena would have had enough steam to keep the boat running 8 seasons. 

Also Add to the list: Damon inadvertantly causes Bonnies grandmother to die with his raising Katherine from the grave plot by kidnapping Elena into the creepy vampire tomb and forcing the witches to perform more powerful magic then their bodies can hande. 

And I can already see the signs there that Elena has concocted some Damon just a tragic soul in pain back story in her mind to get herself misty eyed over him. The whole your just protecting your love ones bit and the he needs assurances you wont kill him bit. 

And ugh if they make Caroline BFFy supportive with Damon and Elena in future seasons because basically it would be like if the Jessica Jones writers decided for Trish and Kilgrave to date romantically and have Jessica be supportive and all thumbs up about it. 

I honestly think the Caroline stuff was far irredeemable then the killing almost killing Elenas friends aspect.

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  On 1/5/2017 at 4:10 PM, CooperTV said:
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Ha, I think we're both confused. I just looked back:

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  On 1/5/2017 at 4:18 PM, LeighAn said:

I guess Im just curious in the event that they didnt explore Damon/Elena whether Stefan/Elena would have had enough steam to keep the boat running 8 seasons

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I'm sure they planned to milk Damon/Stefan/Elena triangle as much as possible. Which what was they were doing from season 2 on-wards, until Julie Plec became the showrunner.

  On 1/5/2017 at 4:18 PM, LeighAn said:

And I can already see the signs there that Elena has concocted some Damon just a tragic soul in pain back story in her mind to get herself misty eyed over him.

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  On 1/5/2017 at 4:18 PM, LeighAn said:

And ugh if they make Caroline BFFy supportive with Damon and Elena in future seasons because basically it would be like if the Jessica Jones writers decided for Trish and Kilgrave to date romantically and have Jessica be supportive and all thumbs up about it. 

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Speaking of Jessica Jones Im not part of the fandom- Im not even sure if Jessica Jones really has a fandom- but even though theyve been established as being sexually attracted to men does anyone else see the show doing a less overt Xena/Gabriel thing with Trish/Jessica where they will tease the audience with them loving each other in a soul mate romantic sense but not actually going there?

Also I miss the fun campiness of Xena and Hercules. 

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How long does the show perpetuate the Vicky has run off lie? Like do Matt and the characters spend the rest of the series always wondering what Vickys up to? Like Im getting this dread that its just going to be this loose end on the show that your suppose to not look to closely into but that could be my Arrow showing? Haha

@LeighAn, I'm not in JJ fandom but I think there's a lot of Trish/Jessica shippers. AO3 has some fic, and Tumblr probably has tags for it. I'd say they wrote a lot of subtext in their interactions, I wonder why they wouldn't commit to it as a romantic ship, though. They kind of screwed up Jessica/Luke (which is comic canon couple), so Trish/Jessica could work best. My main complain would be mostly that they foster sisters but that's not a huge issue, I guess.

  On 1/5/2017 at 4:41 PM, LeighAn said:

Speaking of Jessica Jones Im not part of the fandom- Im not even sure if Jessica Jones really has a fandom- but even though theyve been established as being sexually attracted to men does anyone else see the show doing a less overt Xena/Gabriel thing with Trish/Jessica where they will tease the audience with them loving each other in a soul mate romantic sense but not actually going there?

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Absolutely, and I love it. I thought Jessica and Trish were exes in the first scene they had together. I also loved that Trish was there when she took out Kilgrave, and her "I love you" was the cue that she wasn't being controlled. 

  On 1/5/2017 at 5:19 PM, LeighAn said:

So Im not crazy and prejudice then when I got gay vibes from Trish/Jessica then? Haha. I think it wouldnt be stretch for the show to actually make the switch if they were so inclined but Im guessing itll be anothe Xena/Gabrielle thing where its left up to the audience imagination and undefined.

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They could make at least one of them bisexual, since it's 2017 and they already have a lesbian character on their show.

Seriously, though, Xena/Gabrielle should have been canon, and I'm fully expecting Javier Grillo-Marxuach, who is doing Xena reboot, to reflect that in his new show.

It was on during the 90s they were never going to be canon. I dont even think they showed hetro sexual sex scenes that werent automatic fade to blacks on tv during the 90s. But yeah in a reboot if they are going to be loyal totally prepared for a full Xena Gabrielle romance.

Im worried a reboot will be all the grit of the original though and none of the fun.

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  On 1/5/2017 at 4:04 PM, CooperTV said:

I'd say the show made a change mostly because Kevin Williamson, the original showrunner, left after season 4. And Julie Plec, the current showrunner, loved Damon so much, she decided to wrap the show entirely around Damon's manpain and angst.

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Whaaaat? I only happened upon Vampire Diaries maybe three times on TV, but I thought 

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  On 1/5/2017 at 4:34 PM, CooperTV said:

I'm sure they planned to milk Damon/Stefan/Elena triangle as much as possible. Which what was they were doing from season 2 on-wards, until Julie Plec became the showrunner.

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So what, 

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  On 1/5/2017 at 5:46 PM, bijoux said:
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  On 1/5/2017 at 5:46 PM, bijoux said:
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Julie Plec has some strange ideas about true romance, let me tell you...

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