Small Talk: The Quiver

[BkWurm1]

1 hour ago, Mellowyellow said:

Arrghhhhhhh we keep shipping the same stuff!!!! You gotta come to Aus and visit me!!!!!!!!!

On another note the LMM cousin thing and old man/really young girl in her short stories always weirded me out!

Valancy and Barney are my ultimate LMM OTP though!

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The Blue Castle is such a wonderful book. (Though they meet only after both are all grown up) And really, it's crazy how modern it reads despite being published in 1926. (Relatively speaking) I could easily imagine someone making it into a Hallmark Hall of Fame rom com.  

I try to ignore the cousin thing in her short story collections.    Back in the day I guess it was pretty normal, lol.  As was the older man young girl thing.  I read a lot of bodice rippers in the 90's where the guy is late thirties and the girl anywhere from 18 down to 16.  (Though I learned to avoid them since the guy was always an ass)

1 hour ago, Mellowyellow said:

Folks explain country clubs to me. Do they really exist or just on TV?

Are they only for the super rich? How rich are we talking?

Are they in every town or only rich places?

 

They exist, lol.  As a kid I lived in a fairly ritzy town (oldest house on the block, of course) and the Edina Country Club started at the end of our block.  An ivy covered fence all the way around and a fancy circular drive with a big fountain in the middle.  The sprawling land around it was the golf course (definitely a requisite for a Country Club) but the Clubhouse (fancy main building) is where they'd have the pool, the gym, the raquet ball courts, the tennis courts and I swear sometimes they had horses though maybe that was only on special occasions.  They'd have fancy functions there  and the cars would overflow and park all the way down the street. 

I also remember going sledding there in the winter a few times but even that came with a special invitation. (My next door neighbor's dad was the president of the University for a while)

  I think in the past Country clubs were a method of segregation.  Publically owned buildings became illegal to discriminate but the privately held clubs could make their own rules so they could keep people of color or certain classes of people out.  Some might even exclude on the basis of gender.  I get the impression in some places not much has changed.  

There are clubs that are still all about how much money you have while others the money is secondary to status (as defined by them) but there are others that the standards for having a membership are a lot more in reach.  And many country clubs will allow people to come play on their courses without a membership (for a fee of course).  

The city I lived in was a well to do suburb and several other richer suburbs in the area also had Country Clubs but in recent years some of those city's got more run down and still have their clubs while a bunch of new ones sprung up in the more rural areas just past the outer suburbs.  So no, not every town has one and not all towns that have them are "rich" though the ones that aren't, usually WERE at one time or it's the ones that the area is more rural than anything and it's about space, not city reputation.  The newer clubs seem to have easier standards to meet.  

I don't know anyone anymore that has a membership to a club like that though so my info could be out of date and limited to MN.  (But is probably current somewhere so would be good enough for fan fiction, lol)  

Edited October 9, 2017 by BkWurm1

[Mellowyellow]

Haha thanks @BkWurm1! Happy to report no fanfic research for this! Just genuinely curious after watching a Fresh Off the Boat rerun!

ETA: Are bodice rippers as saucy as they sound?

Edited October 9, 2017 by Mellowyellow

[Starfish35]

1 hour ago, BkWurm1 said:

The Blue Castle is such a wonderful book.

The Blue Castle is one of my favorites.  But then I love most of the L. M. Montgomery books.  

[quarks]

L. M. Montgomery was actually engaged to one of her second cousins for a few months, although she ended up not marrying him. So it was a Thing.

[calliope1975]

7 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

ETA: Are bodice rippers as saucy as they sound?

That's what I've always heard historical romances referred to. Basically romance and smut in a historical setting. I spent my junior high and high school years devouring them.

[Sakura12]

12 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

Folks explain country clubs to me. Do they really exist or just on TV?

Are they only for the super rich? How rich are we talking?

Are they in every town or only rich places?

They exist, I had a friend that belonged to one. The town I lived in isn't super rich. It is exclusive and expensive. My friends family besides paying the membership fee would also would have to also give a couple thousand every year to the club at charity events. 

It has only a little sign from the street and is easy to pass by if you don't know it's there. Its covered by large tree and gates. I went with my friend a couple times, it's super fancy and we'd show up at the valet in my Ford Escort. Lol. 

I never went inside we only used the outdoor pool which was padded all around. It felt like I was walking on a mattress while I was swimming. They had no snack stand, waiters were standing around to take orders from the kitchen. I'd see people eating lobster and steak by the pool. 

We do have public country clubs around as well. Those ones are more affordable to join. 

Edited October 9, 2017 by Sakura12

[BkWurm1]

14 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

Haha thanks @BkWurm1! Happy to report no fanfic research for this! Just genuinely curious after watching a Fresh Off the Boat rerun!

ETA: Are bodice rippers as saucy as they sound?

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I imagine before my time reading historical romances that bodices where actually being ripped since apparently there was a time where it was common for the "hero" to rape the heroine at the start of their relationship.  

In my mind I more strongly associate it with the heaving bosoms that once graced the covers.  I started reading them right when some clever soul came up with the double covers so the outside looked perfectly respectable in front of my parents.  Thank goodness my mom didn't read for enjoyment and my dad was too into Westerns and spy thrillers.   

[BkWurm1]

8 hours ago, quarks said:

L. M. Montgomery was actually engaged to one of her second cousins for a few months, although she ended up not marrying him. So it was a Thing.

I once read a historical romance with the couple being cousins.  It was extra traumatizing since their mothers were TWIN sisters and the heroine was only sixteen to his early thirties.

[quarks]

20 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

I once read a historical romance with the couple being cousins.  It was extra traumatizing since their mothers were TWIN sisters and the heroine was only sixteen to his early thirties.

And Louisa May Alcott had cousins falling in love and getting married in Rose in Bloom.  Not traumatic, exactly, except that if I remember correctly, the first cousin Rose fell for died dramatically and rather than learning much from this she fell for a second one. 

[Mellowyellow]

Oooh I tried to read Louisa May Alcott books thinking they would be like LMM's books. 

OMG they were so preachy!!!! Sooo preachy! And the Little Woman ending!!! Ugh!

Anyone like Laura Ingalls Wilder and all the pioneer books? I LOVED those! LOVED LOVED LOVED! They had such interesting food! 

I read Farmer Boy to my son and he keeps lamenting about how much more sugar kids were allowed in the olden days. 

[BkWurm1]

22 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

Oooh I tried to read Louisa May Alcott books thinking they would be like LMM's books. 

OMG they were so preachy!!!! Sooo preachy! And the Little Woman ending!!! Ugh!

Anyone like Laura Ingalls Wilder and all the pioneer books? I LOVED those! LOVED LOVED LOVED! They had such interesting food! 

I read Farmer Boy to my son and he keeps lamenting about how much more sugar kids were allowed in the olden days. 

Walnut Grove, MN was the setting of the TV show (and the book On the Banks of Plum Creek) so growing up Laura Ingalls Wilder's books were always prominently placed in the school libraries.  I'm sure I read all the books but they are IMO written for a younger reader, unlike the Anne books which I felt held up as an adult reader.  

Speaking of the TV series, I swear that "family" show traumatized me more than anything else I watched on TV growing up.  

 

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OMG they were so preachy!!!! Sooo preachy! And the Little Woman ending!!! Ugh!

I did a report on Louisa May Alcott for school and learned that originally she published chapters of Little Women in a magazine so the story came out in a similar manner to us waiting for the next installment from fan fic writers.  She got so tired of everyone writing to her and begging for her to put Jo and Laurie together romantically that she deliberately wrote the opposite.  I've held a grudge ever since.  

Edited October 9, 2017 by BkWurm1

[Starfish35]

I've always enjoyed the Alcott books.  It seems like I remember thinking Rose and Mac (and poor Charlie) was a little strange when I was a kid, but I'm not sure I thought a whole lot more about it.

I haven't read the Little House on the Prairie books in a very long time, but I did enjoy them when I was a kid.  But I never was crazy about the TV show.  

I've read most of the L.M. Montgomery stories, but I don't remember them all.  Just the main books. 

[statsgirl]

I remember liking Rose and her uncle and cousins when I was a girl.  But re-reading it a couple of years ago, I kept wanting to argue with for his sexist (although far from sexist at the time) and racist ideas.

Did anyone read Five Little Peppers and How They Grew?  It was a series of books written by Margaret Sidney from 1881 to 1916.  I remember loving them as a child but like Louisa May Alcott's books, they don't really stand up to time.  I think LM Montgomery's books hold up the best and it always makes me sad that her own life had so little happiness.

[JamieLynn832002]

5 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

I once read a historical romance with the couple being cousins.  It was extra traumatizing since their mothers were TWIN sisters and the heroine was only sixteen to his early thirties.

Please tell me the mothers at least weren't identical twins. I've read historical romance where the couple were cousins before but usually it's way more distant than that. The age difference alone wouldn't bother me, at least not beyond the girl being so young, but paired with being first cousins, yikes.

[BkWurm1]

Sorry to say, but yep identical twins and they betrothed their kids at the daughters birth.  It was set during the time of the French Revolution.  Basically, I believe that made them genetically the same as half-brother and sister.  I figured that part out later.   Hence my continued trauma.  

[JamieLynn832002]

I can definitely see how that would be traumatizing, I'm vaguely traumatized just knowing the book exists. How does that get past editors and publishers without someone saying it's bad idea? 

[BkWurm1]

I just don't know.  It wasn't some one-time author either.  It was probably written though back before people widely understood genetics.  

[JamieLynn832002]

2 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

It was probably written though back before people widely understood genetics.  

That's somewhat a relief. 

[statsgirl]

11 hours ago, JamieLynn832002 said:

I can definitely see how that would be traumatizing, I'm vaguely traumatized just knowing the book exists. How does that get past editors and publishers without someone saying it's bad idea? 

Maybe it was someone who studied Egyptian history and the pharoahs.  That was even squickier.

[BkWurm1]

True enough, lol.  Even European royalty was somewhat lax on worrying about siblings for too long but that's one aspect of historical accuracy I could do without.  

[BkWurm1]

So I watched Valor just to be fair and not rely on my first impression.  

Go ahead and rely on your first impressions.  

How can they claim to be targeting female viewers with a show that is almost completely devoid of any emotion other than a vague sense of anxiety and guilt?  It so belonged on CBS along with their Seal team and SWAT team shows.  The acting isn't great, there are no stand out characters, the "mystery" isn't compelling, and neither is the forbidden couple they are trying to tease with the two charters at the center of the show.   It's grey, dull, and lifeless.   

Edited October 11, 2017 by BkWurm1

[Starfish35]

Not going to set up an actual poll, but what are we thinking Dynasty will get in the ratings tonight?  Crash and burn, or actually work?

[BkWurm1]

I suspect some might watch this week but next week...

[lemotomato]

I've seen more promos for Dynasty (apparently the PR people think that the CW and The Food Network has an overlapping audience) than for Valor, so I think it will do better than Valor, at least. I'll go with a 0.4 for the premiere and a steady drop after that.

Is Dynasty also a CBS owned show? I wonder how many DOA shows the CW has to play out for the parent network.

Edited October 11, 2017 by lemotomato

[Starfish35]

11 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

Is Dynasty also a CBS owned show?

I think so, yes. 

[BkWurm1]

I can't completely dismiss Dynasty.  It might reach the so bad it's good status.  Though I doubt it.  Riverdale had the subversive angle and the murder mystery to hook me despite a bad first impression while I'd be surprised if Dynasty holds any redeeming twists.

[quarks]

3 hours ago, lemotomato said:

Is Dynasty also a CBS owned show? I wonder how many DOA shows the CW has to play out for the parent network.

Yep.

I'm assuming the thought process with Dynasty was "Hey, look at all of the other 80s things that have made a comeback recently!" and "Hey, wasn't Dynasty a thing back in the day?"  Which it was, but that was partly because it was an Aaron Spelling show, which the reboot is not.  Though one of the showrunners for the reboot was involved with The O.C. and Gossip Girl, so it's not a completely out of left field choice for the CW, unlike Valor, which doesn't fit with anything else currently associated with the CW.

[Mellowyellow]

Grrrr was making pecan pie! Burnt ALL my nuts!

Will have to make it aussie and do Macadamia pie!

[Starfish35]

CW eying another reboot....

Roswell Reboot With Immigration Focus Being Developed at The CW

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Will you go down with this ship… again?

The CW is developing a reboot of Roswell, the alien drama that aired on The WB and UPN from 1999 to 2002, our sister site Deadline reports. This version of the story, still set in the titular town, would focus on the realities and complications of New Mexico being a border state.

Here’s the reboot’s official description, per Deadline:

After reluctantly returning to her tourist-trap hometown of Roswell, New Mexico, the daughter of undocumented immigrants discovers a shocking truth about her teenage crush who is now a police officer: he’s an alien who has kept his unearthly abilities hidden his entire life. She protects his secret as the two reconnect and begin to investigate his origins, but when a violent attack and long-standing government cover-up point to a greater alien presence on Earth, the politics of fear and hatred threaten to expose him and destroy their deepening romance.

[Chaser]

That sounds awful.

Edited October 12, 2017 by Chaser

[Starfish35]

Dynasty premiere adjusted down to 0.3.  I'm guessing both Valor and Dynasty end up going the way of No Tomorrow and Frequency.  Black Lightning might be the CW's only hope for a break-out new hit this season.

[NumberCruncher]

Ugh! to the Roswell reboot.

[Mellowyellow]

Anyone here watch Once Upon a Time?

Can someone pretty please tell me how they handled Emma and Hook since Jennifer Morrison left the show? I am interested from a shipping perspective as to whether they will give him a new LI or whatever.

[scarynikki12]

8 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

Anyone here watch Once Upon a Time?

Can someone pretty please tell me how they handled Emma and Hook since Jennifer Morrison left the show? I am interested from a shipping perspective as to whether they will give him a new LI or whatever.

The episode that answers your question will air tomorrow.

[Mellowyellow]

Just now, scarynikki12 said:

The episode that answers your question will air tomorrow.

ohh thank you! I don't watch it so I thought that was all resolved already! 

[BkWurm1]

Watched Dynasty just to be fair again.  It wasn't AS bad as I was expecting but it was not good and I'm not watching again.  I couldn't tell who I was supposed to root for.  I think it was actually supposed to be the new wife but the actress was weak and I couldn't tell at times if she was supposed to be sincere or not.  I sort of liked the entitled daughter but then they switched to Crystal and I was just not feeling her specialness. And talk about a soap opera.  Riverdale is more over the top but it's all framed as teenage drama and emotion so I find it amusing instead of really annoying.  

[BkWurm1]

Gotham's weird man-dog was one of it's more creepy characters.  It's so weird I have to assume it's straight from some comic because I can't otherwise imagine any writer getting that past the showrunners.   

[scarynikki12]

I honestly have no idea.  He hasn't shown up in the Batverse comics I've read but that doesn't mean anything.  I wouldn't be surprised if he's a lesser known comic character, probably a Ra's hench...man-dog if he is.  Totally creepy.

For some reason, as I was typing that my mind started wondering how Gotham would handle Condiment King.  They'd have to go full on comedy episode because...COME ON, but it has potential for hilarity.

[kismet]

7 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

Anyone here watch Once Upon a Time?

Can someone pretty please tell me how they handled Emma and Hook since Jennifer Morrison left the show? I am interested from a shipping perspective as to whether they will give him a new LI or whatever.

I watch it. The new reboot looks promising enough. They haven't discussed how they handled the E/H aspect of it yet, JM is supposed to guest star this Fri on ep 2. The new story's premise is the Henry somehow lost his way/memory (he's become the new Emma, although no mention of a savior, yet). And now there is a new curse that caused a new "Storybrooke" like land in an upcoming neighborhood of Seattle Washington. So far nobody has any knowledge of they alternative lives in the fairy tales. Only the little girl seems to be clued into who Henry really is.

The only old OUAT that have been introduced are Hook, Regina & Rumple. Although they have all new personalities & names. Regina is actually being set up as one of the heroes. They have a new evil stepmother as the big baddie.

So far the premiere was entertaining. Adelaide Kane from Reign is in it with an American accent now. It was a nice surprise to see her.

[Mellowyellow]

Thanks @kismet! hehe if you can pop in later and tell me how they resolved the E/H aspect I will be very grateful!

I can try to scour the forum but it is very difficult making sense of a show you don't watch! Especially one where I thought Captain Nemo was an actual fish! 

[MaisyDaisy]

I have an odd question. What did/are people doing with baby teeth? I have collected my daughters, because I couldnt just throw them out, but it feels odd. I keep them in a lovely little box up on a shelf in my bedroom, but it feels off opening it up to see a bunch of teeth. What does every one else, or their parents do?

[BkWurm1]

My mother kept my brother's and mine in separate envelopes in her jewelry drawer for probably 30 plus years (next to the baggies of hair from first haircuts) and then one day discovered they had fallen out and were scattered among her earrings and rings and necklaces and realized they were gross and nobody wanted them and threw them out.  :D

[jay741982]

13 hours ago, Starfish35 said:

Dynasty premiere adjusted down to 0.3.  I'm guessing both Valor and Dynasty end up going the way of No Tomorrow and Frequency.  Black Lightning might be the CW's only hope for a break-out new hit this season.

Wouldn't be surprised if like last season the only new show on CW to survive into the next fall season is the Comic Book show 

[Mellowyellow]

@MaisyDaisy HI!!!!!!

You're back for the new season!!!!

I'm going to ask my kidlet if he wants to keep them in his draw or if he doesn't want them I'll chuck them! That said I'm not particularly sentimental about these things so I might be a bad example! 

People keep them at my mothers group! One lady buried them in her yard. 

[MaisyDaisy]

1 hour ago, BkWurm1 said:

My mother kept my brother's and mine in separate envelopes in her jewelry drawer for probably 30 plus years (next to the baggies of hair from first haircuts) and then one day discovered they had fallen out and were scattered among her earrings and rings and necklaces and realized they were gross and nobody wanted them and threw them out.  :D

 

22 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

@MaisyDaisy HI!!!!!!

You're back for the new season!!!!

I'm going to ask my kidlet if he wants to keep them in his draw or if he doesn't want them I'll chuck them! That said I'm not particularly sentimental about these things so I might be a bad example! 

People keep them at my mothers group! One lady buried them in her yard. 

We just had the Santa/easter bunny/tooth fairy talk last year, she flat out asked me, and I was super nervous because I had done things like have the tooth fairy leave her a charm bracelet and a 'wish' that was a charm to add each tooth, and she argued with other children that she knew Santa was real because her Mum couldnt buy two sets of presents (santa would fill a stocking, Mum put hers under the tree) I was worried that she would think I had been lying to her, and be upset, but she was really gratefull for everything I had done. She laughed about me chewing on the end of carrots to look like they had been nibbled bu reindeer. But when she asked what I had done with her teeth and I answered that I had kept them all in a little box in my bedroom, she looked at me like pure "WTF", and repeated it slowly; "You.............kept....my.....teeth...........and you have them in a box in your room?" and I realised that it was a bit odd, because what on earth would I ever do with them? But now I have a whole heap in a box, and it feels weird to keep them, but also weird to but them in the bin. Maybe I will go up to the headland and throw them off the cliff into the ocean. 

[Mellowyellow]

Ok confession time. Hubby and I told the kidlet the truth about Santa when he was a bit over two. He was very verbal, could speak perfectly and understood lots of concepts so we just rolled with it and told him. We did tell him we were happy to pretend to be Santa if he wanted us to do that but he told us we didn't need to pretend and he liked it that we were the ones surprising him at Christmas. 

He's been warned not to say anything about Santa to other kids and he assures me he'll pretend Santa is real at preschool. 

[kismet]

I stumbled upon the Easter Bunny's hidden stash in a closet while my Mom was out of town taking care of my Grandma. It made for a fun Easter Morning, I felt like such a successful sleuth. I had cracked the big secret. It then opened the flood gates. I had a younger sister so we still had to keep the ruse, but I got to help which was a lot of fun.

I honestly have no idea what happened to my baby teeth, I guess I never asked or really wanted to know.

[BkWurm1]

My parents told us the truth about stuff from the start.  I did spill the beans to my next door neighbor and she swore I was wrong about Santa and was going to stay up all night to prove it.  She wouldn't talk about her results but there was a time when she said I couldn't play with certain new toys because they were the ones that came from Santa and I didn't believe in him, lol.  

[Delphi]

4 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

She wouldn't talk about her results but there was a time when she said I couldn't play with certain new toys because they were the ones that came from Santa and I didn't believe in him, lol.  

Dead.   That's so funny.   

 

I don't really think I ever believed in anything but Santa.   I believed in the tooth fairy for about a bit, probably,  but I was one of those night staying up kids and the second year my mom was unfortunate that I was waiting for them to go to bed so i could read. 

 

My real question is if kids these days do originally believe in myths,  does the belief stop sooner what with smart phones and internet everywhere?

[BkWurm1]

4 minutes ago, Delphi said:

My real question is if kids these days do originally believe in myths,  does the belief stop sooner what with smart phones and internet everywhere?

I guess they'd have to be able to at least spell and read for that to be an issue.  Good question.