Bethenny Frankel: Skinny Girl

[Celia Rubenstein]

So instead of working on her marriage and maybe working on herself, she dumped the guy by letter.

Why assume Bethenny didn't try to work on her marriage? Or that Jason was not at all to blame for its failure? I think they both share responsibility for its failure. And if for no other reason than for Bryn's sake, they probably both tried to work things out but were unable. So it's not either one of their faults more than the other's.

Also, I don't know why the fact that Bethenny notified Jason she wanted a divorce by letter is always mentioned like it was this heinous act. They agreed in their prenup that was how any request for a divorce was to be handled. Jason would have done the same thing if he had been the one to initiate divorce proceedings. I seriously doubt the letter took him by surprise, as if he had absolutely no idea the marriage was failing and Bethenny wanted out.

[Abby2197]

Frankel-Stein! ‘RHONY’ Star Bethenny Frankel Has New Plastic Surgery, Say Docs

http://radaronline.com/photos/bethenny-frankel-plastic-surgery-photos/photo/1063932/

[AuntieDiane6]

 

Why assume Bethenny didn't try to work on her marriage?

 

Because of everything we saw on the show?  Her self-absorption?  Her willingness to pee on camera TWICE and then complain about Jason and his father ALLEGEDLY walking around in boxers while she is ALLEGEDLY having a meeting?  Her unwillingness to give Jason even a semblance of privacy with his own TV room in their GIANT apartment?  Her shutting the door on his parents when they brought back Brynn from an outing? 

 

And how about her announcing her ALLEGED "miscarriage" just as she was getting ready to announce her new talk show?  Funny about that timing … 

 

If Jason is pushing her buttons, it's because she gnawed his fingers down to a stump FIRST.

[ZoloftBlob]

Her willingness to pee on camera TWICE and then complain about Jason and his father ALLEGEDLY walking around in boxers while she is ALLEGEDLY having a meeting?

That she did the first does not preclude it being reasonable that she was offended by the second.

 

I personally hate the peeing on camera but on both occasions Bethenny had the ability I suspect, to NOT be on camera if she chose. That she was comfortable making that choice does not mean she is not ever allowed to be uncomfortable with anything else. That's one. Second, that she was angered and possibly frightened by her estranged husband and estranged father in law walking around the home in a state of undress while she was having a meeting seems reasonable. If the woman making the complaint about an ex wasn't Bethenny, would anyone find it wrong for the woman to be angered and frightened by an estranged husband playing these kinds of games?

[AuntieDiane6]

 

Second, that she was angered and possibly frightened by her estranged husband and estranged father in law walking around the home in a state of undress while she was having a meeting seems reasonable. If the woman making the complaint about an ex wasn't Bethenny, would anyone find it wrong for the woman to be angered and frightened by an estranged husband playing these kinds of games?

 

Bethenny had meetings with her contractor and discussed the size of his penis.  She had a meeting with her realtor and lewdly propositioned him into giving her sperm.  I hardly think she is one to complain about inappropriate behavior at BUSINESS MEETINGS. 

 

And besides, she made the allegations about her husband and father-in-law and then immediately agreed to settle, thus depriving them of THEIR rebuttal. 

[ZoloftBlob]

Bethenny had meetings with her contractor and discussed the size of his penis.  She had a meeting with her realtor and lewdly propositioned him into giving her sperm.  I hardly think she is one to complain about inappropriate behavior at BUSINESS MEETINGS.

 

Filmed business meetings where she was doing a reality show and providing entertainment to an audience. That's not the same as an unfilmed meeting at all.It also doesn't mean she's not allowed to be uncomfortable or bothered by bad behavior by someone who she is no longer on good terms with. This suggestion, that she was vulgar on camera means its ok for it to happen off camera is like saying "well, she was flirting and kissing him here, so when he wanted it later, she doesn't get to say no since she was already putting out".

 

And besides, she made the allegations about her husband and father-in-law and then immediately agreed to settle, thus depriving them of THEIR rebuttal.

 

.You were there, and have proof Jason didn't offer to settle, and can state what her mental intent was? I can't. I agree your version is possible but so is mine. And this issue has no bearing on whether or not she has the right to be bothered by the underpants behavior.

[SCS]

Bethenny had meetings with her contractor and discussed the size of his penis.  She had a meeting with her realtor and lewdly propositioned him into giving her sperm.  I hardly think she is one to complain about inappropriate behavior at BUSINESS MEETINGS. 

 

And besides, she made the allegations about her husband and father-in-law and then immediately agreed to settle, thus depriving them of THEIR rebuttal.

Great points, AuntieD6!

Re Beth's changing face: I agree with those of you (and the sundry MDs who've weighed in online) that there are injectibles happening, but her face looks shorter and less, for want of a better word, bulbous. Purely IMO, she may have had a sliding genioplasty -- cutting of the chin bone and then sliding it forward or back to add or decrease length (obviously decrease, in this case). She may also have had her mandible shaved to reduce her gonial angles and soften her jawline.

Topical note: sliding genioplasty is often done as part of facial-feminization surgery. According to Vanity Fair , Caitlyn née Bruce is a recent recipient.

[zoeysmom]

Why assume Bethenny didn't try to work on her marriage? Or that Jason was not at all to blame for its failure? I think they both share responsibility for its failure. And if for no other reason than for Bryn's sake, they probably both tried to work things out but were unable. So it's not either one of their faults more than the other's.

Also, I don't know why the fact that Bethenny notified Jason she wanted a divorce by letter is always mentioned like it was this heinous act. They agreed in their prenup that was how any request for a divorce was to be handled. Jason would have done the same thing if he had been the one to initiate divorce proceedings. I seriously doubt the letter took him by surprise, as if he had absolutely no idea the marriage was failing and Bethenny wanted out.

If Bethenny is sending a letter saying she is going to file for a divorce she is most likely not working on the marriage.

 

So what would the consequences be if one of the parties filed straight away for the divorce instead of sending a letter?  Know one knows, since we do not have a copy of the pre-nup.

 

 

 

That she did the first does not preclude it being reasonable that she was offended by the second.

 

I personally hate the peeing on camera but on both occasions Bethenny had the ability I suspect, to NOT be on camera if she chose. That she was comfortable making that choice does not mean she is not ever allowed to be uncomfortable with anything else. That's one. Second, that she was angered and possibly frightened by her estranged husband and estranged father in law walking around the home in a state of undress while she was having a meeting seems reasonable. If the woman making the complaint about an ex wasn't Bethenny, would anyone find it wrong for the woman to be angered and frightened by an estranged husband playing these kinds of games?

Bethenny has peed three times on camera. 

 

Bethenny situation is unique because she has opened her life up to the world.  I still do not understand why she thought the underwear situation would work against Jason having 50/50 custody.  Bethenny invited business into a home she was sharing with jason and apparently they did not want to be inconvenienced and put their pants on. 

[shoegal]

Her willingness to pee on camera TWICE and then complain about Jason and his father ALLEGEDLY walking around in boxers while she is ALLEGEDLY having a meeting?

Jason went full frontal nudity on camera TWICE flashing his junk. Why does Bethenny get raked over the coals for peeing but it's unreasonable to believe that Jason might have walked around in his underwear?

Edited June 15, 2015 by shoegal

[WireWrap]

Jason went full frontal nudity on camera TWICE flashing his junk. Why does Bethenny get raked over the coals for peeing but it's unreasonable to believe that Jason might have walked around in his underwear?

If he walked around in is underwear, he did so in his own home! It's not like he went strolling down the street. Also, Bethenny has bared it all on camera as well, they both did it. Him in his underwear in his home is a nonissue IMO!

[shoegal]

If he walked around in is underwear, he did so in his own home! It's not like he went strolling down the street. Also, Bethenny has bared it all on camera as well, they both did it. Him in his underwear in his home is a nonissue IMO!

It is a non issue if it's just his family in his home, but if she's conducting business in the home and there are photographers, stylists, crew members and others in the home, I think it's inappropriate to walk around in your undies in full view. If his dad did it too, which I believe he did, even worse! I suspect Jason was pushing buttons, and trying to create a miserable and hostile environment and force Bethenny out so he could lay claim on the multi million dollar apartment....and it worked!

I won't even get into the whole his apartment thing, since I don't believe he ever put a dime towards it.....but I digress.

[BeachyMum]

Frankel-Stein! ‘RHONY’ Star Bethenny Frankel Has New Plastic Surgery, Say Docs

http://radaronline.com/photos/bethenny-frankel-plastic-surgery-photos/photo/1063932/

 She looks she got something done, but denied it on twitter.  ???

Edited June 15, 2015 by BeachyMum

[Celia Rubenstein]

If Bethenny is sending a letter saying she is going to file for a divorce she is most likely not working on the marriage.

 

Well  .... yeah .... she's not working at it any more at that point.   That's why you send the letter .... to indicate you are done trying. 

 

Bethenny invited business into a home she was sharing with jason and apparently they did not want to be inconvenienced and put their pants on.

 

Really, is it that big of an inconvenience to pull a pair of pants on?  Seriously?  I can't imagine how busy a person has to be that they simply don't have time to put a pair of pants on!

 

I'm sure if President Obama can find the time to slip on a pair of slacks, Jason and his father could manage it. 

 

[WireWrap]

It is a non issue if it's just his family in his home, but if she's conducting business in the home and there are photographers, stylists, crew members and others in the home, I think it's inappropriate to walk around in your undies in full view. If his dad did it too, which I believe he did, even worse! I suspect Jason was pushing buttons, and trying to create a miserable and hostile environment and force Bethenny out so he could lay claim on the multi million dollar apartment....and it worked!

I won't even get into the whole his apartment thing, since I don't believe he ever put a dime towards it.....but I digress.

Only Bethenny made that claim in court directly before she agreed to shared custody, but before Jason's lawyers could question her and before Jason testified against her. And, she could/should have kept any business meetings confined to 1 area of the apartment away from the living/family areas. Why even have a meeting there, they were already at battle and IMO, she was pushing his buttons as well.

 

Also, we have no idea what Jason contributed towards the purchase/remodel of that apartment but we do know it was bought during the marriage as the family home. Do you think SAHM's or working moms paid less than their husbands do not deserve to live in the marital home during the divorce even though the husband was the sole bread winner or made more than a working mom, or is it just Jason that you object to?

Edited June 15, 2015 by WireWrap

[Celia Rubenstein]

And, she could/should have kept any business meetings confined to 1 area of the apartment away from the living/family areas. Why even have a meeting there, they were already at battle and IMO, she was pushing his buttons as well.

 

Bethenny had business going on in their apartment on the regular all along. It was nothing new, and it was never done just to poke at Jason.  I doubt, however, that he made a habit of padding about in his underpants all along.  Jason was not above stripping for the cameras at all, and I am sure we would have seen it on the show if it ever happened.    I think it was something new he came up with just to embarrass his wife.  It was a complete douchebag move and I am not surprised he was afraid to take the witness stand and answer for his actions. 

[WireWrap]

Well  .... yeah .... she's not working at it any more at that point.   That's why you send the letter .... to indicate you are done trying. 

 

 

Really, is it that big of an inconvenience to pull a pair of pants on?  Seriously?  I can't imagine how busy a person has to be that they simply don't have time to put a pair of pants on!

 

I'm sure if President Obama can find the time to slip on a pair of slacks, Jason and his father could manage it. 

We only have Bethenny's word during a contentious custody battle that this happened and I am not willing to go by her word alone. JMO

Bethenny had business going on in their apartment on the regular all along. It was nothing new, and it was never done just to poke at Jason.  I doubt, however, that he made a habit of padding about in his underpants all along.  Jason was not above stripping for the cameras at all, and I am sure we would have seen it on the show if it ever happened.    I think it was something new he came up with just to embarrass his wife.  It was a complete douchebag move and I am not surprised he was afraid to take the witness stand and answer for his actions. 

Again, that Bethenny settled the custody battle directly after stating this, without being challenged or without Jason having his say, so I am doubtful that it happened or that it happened the way she claims.

[shoegal]

Only Bethenny made that claim in court directly before she agreed to shared custody, but before Jason's lawyers could question her and before Jason testified against her. And, she could/should have kept any business meetings confined to 1 area of the apartment away from the living/family areas. Why even have a meeting there, they were already at battle and IMO, she was pushing his buttons as well.

Also, we have no idea what Jason contributed towards the purchase/remodel of that apartment but we do know it was bought during the marriage as the family home. Do you think SAHM's or working moms paid less than their husbands do not deserve to live in the marital home during the divorce even though the husband was the sole bread winner or made more than a working mom, or is it just Jason that you object to?

IIRC, it was a photo shoot, not a meeting. Why would she have a photo shoot in her apartment? Presumably to keep earning the money that pays for the apartment that Jason lives in for free.

I do not believe Jason to be equivalent to a SAHM, but I do believe in each spouse pulling their weight, and if the marriage deteriorates, to support themselves. I object to people who use marriage as an opportunity to get paid.

Edited June 15, 2015 by shoegal

[Crikey]

I have not followed the reporting of the divorce proceedings but I do wonder if there will be any agreement made about tell all books/interviews.  It seems the one with the most to lose if a book appears would be Bethy because of her business.  Seems she might ask Jason for an agreement to not write a book.  

Are agreements to not write books a normal part of high profile divorces?

[ZoloftBlob]

Again, that Bethenny settled the custody battle directly after stating this, without being challenged or without Jason having his say, so I am doubtful that it happened or that it happened the way she claims.

 

And again we don't know if Jason offered to settle at that point or what the circumstances were. *You* say Bethenny settled... were you there?

[WireWrap]

And again we don't know if Jason offered to settle at that point or what the circumstances were. *You* say Bethenny settled... were you there?

Because by that time Jason was seeking shared custody while Bethenny was still tying to get primary custody. The final agreement was shared custody, in other words, Bethenny settled/backed down, not Jason.

[shoegal]

Because by that time Jason was seeking shared custody while Bethenny was still tying to get primary custody. The final agreement was shared custody, in other words, Bethenny settled/backed down, not Jason.

Jason went for primary custody in the beginning, just like Bethenny. Why would he listen to his ex wife lie about him and his family and then agree to end the custody battle? Why not prove she's a liar and get primary like you wanted? Nail her ass for perjury? Sounds like she handed him an opening by lying on the witness stand in sworn testimony.

[Chalby]

I have a feeling that Bethy is covered in buttons.  

I remember watching Jason coldly wait for Bethanny to melt down in tears after continuously referring to her as 'damaged'. And this is when they were at the 'good' phase of their marriage. When she was looking to him for any bit of praise, compliment anything, and he would refuse, I wanted to reach through and slap him. That's when I realized he probably never even loved her, or as he said "she's too damaged to be loved".  What a creep.

[Jel]

We really don't know why she settled. Maybe she did it because, in the end, she realized that joint custody was best for their daughter. 

[Crikey]

I remember watching Jason coldly wait for Bethanny to melt down in tears after continuously referring to her as 'damaged'. And this is when they were at the 'good' phase of their marriage. When she was looking to him for any bit of praise, compliment anything, and he would refuse, I wanted to reach through and slap him. That's when I realized he probably never even loved her, or as he said "she's too damaged to be loved".  What a creep.

So, she is covered in buttons.  

I did not watch more than a couple of the Bethy shows.  After watching a couple, I got the feeling neither one was a good match for the other and they were just doing it for fame/dollars.  They got both.

[ZoloftBlob]

Jason went for primary custody in the beginning, just like Bethenny. Why would he listen to his ex wife lie about him and his family and then agree to end the custody battle? Why not prove she's a liar and get primary like you wanted? Nail her ass for perjury? Sounds like she handed him an opening by lying on the witness stand in sworn testimony.

 

Fair point - why let the crazy bitch be near the child when being honest and telling the truth would get you full custody?

 

Mind you, I have no idea what the motivation was for settling....Maybe Bethenny did outfox Jason, and testify and then offer to settle as part of some sort of master plan. Maybe. She just doesn't seem that clever but....

[breezy424]

Well  .... yeah .... she's not working at it any more at that point.   That's why you send the letter .... to indicate you are done trying. 

 

 

Really, is it that big of an inconvenience to pull a pair of pants on?  Seriously?  I can't imagine how busy a person has to be that they simply don't have time to put a pair of pants on!

 

I'm sure if President Obama can find the time to slip on a pair of slacks, Jason and his father could manage it. 

Beth didn't even see this.  It was second hand info and this is his home, whether Beth or anyone likes it.  Was Jason even informed that an event was to take place? 

 

It's easy to make claims when you've not being cross examined. 

[zoeysmom]

It is a non issue if it's just his family in his home, but if she's conducting business in the home and there are photographers, stylists, crew members and others in the home, I think it's inappropriate to walk around in your undies in full view. If his dad did it too, which I believe he did, even worse! I suspect Jason was pushing buttons, and trying to create a miserable and hostile environment and force Bethenny out so he could lay claim on the multi million dollar apartment....and it worked!

I won't even get into the whole his apartment thing, since I don't believe he ever put a dime towards it.....but I digress.

I believe the issue was Bethenny continuing to do business out of the family home.  That was an issue in the marriage and during the separation.  In all fairness I think they probably both tried to make it as miserable for the other as possible.  Bethenny had her staff in there and Jason had his family hanging around annoying Bethenny and her hired hacks.  All in all it was pretty immature.

 

 

And again we don't know if Jason offered to settle at that point or what the circumstances were. *You* say Bethenny settled... were you there?

 

.So do you think after Bethenny testified, if she had had a good showing, Jason's attorneys would bring up settlement of exactly what they went into court asking for ?  It would be like being ahead in a game and the losing side asking-"hey you want quit and call it a tie?"  Usually the moving party (Bethenny) makes the overture unless the defense's case is losing and then they offer something to the other side.  I still think the judge clued them in the court was unimpressed with case and to settle it, pronto. 

[breezy424]

Jason went for primary custody in the beginning, just like Bethenny. Why would he listen to his ex wife lie about him and his family and then agree to end the custody battle? Why not prove she's a liar and get primary like you wanted? Nail her ass for perjury? Sounds like she handed him an opening by lying on the witness stand in sworn testimony.

Jason went for full custody according to who?  An anonymous source on radaronline?

 

The only facts we have were the ones at the custody hearing.  At that hearing Jason was asking for joint custody. At least we have a reporter who was there.

 

http://www.people.com/article/bethenny-frankel-jason-hoppy-court-custody-battle-fight-divorce-daughter-bryn

[ZoloftBlob]

So do you think after Bethenny testified, if she had had a good showing, Jason's attorneys would bring up settlement of exactly what they went into court asking for ?  It would be like being ahead in a game and the losing side asking-"hey you want quit and call it a tie?"  Usually the moving party (Bethenny) makes the overture unless the defense's case is losing and then they offer something to the other side.  I still think the judge clued them in the court was unimpressed with case and to settle it, pronto

 

If you were there, say so. I think its not beyond the realm of reason that Jason decided after hearing her testimony that he might lose and made an offer to settle. I also concede Bethenny could have decided to quit while she was ahead. I wasn't there. Were you?

[WireWrap]

Jason went for primary custody in the beginning, just like Bethenny. Why would he listen to his ex wife lie about him and his family and then agree to end the custody battle? Why not prove she's a liar and get primary like you wanted? Nail her ass for perjury? Sounds like she handed him an opening by lying on the witness stand in sworn testimony.

Because, Jason amended his request to joint/shared custody well before they went to court, Bethenny did not, she kept asking/insisting on primary custody up until she testified and then she very quickly settled. She settled before the next court date, before she had to answer to his attorneys and before Jason took the stand. How could he settle, he wanted joint/shared, Bethenny was the one that demanded primary? For Jason to settle, that would mean that he allowed Bethenny to have Primary Custody and that did not happen.

[WireWrap]

If you were there, say so. I think its not beyond the realm of reason that Jason decided after hearing her testimony that he might lose and made an offer to settle. I also concede Bethenny could have decided to quit while she was ahead. I wasn't there. Were you?

But Jason did not lose anything, he did not settle, he got what he asked for, Joint/Shared Custody. Bethenny on the other hand did settle, she did not get what she wanted, Primary Custody, she settled for what Jason wanted, Joint/Shared Custody!

Edited June 15, 2015 by WireWrap

[breezy424]

If you were there, say so. I think its not beyond the realm of reason that Jason decided after hearing her testimony that he might lose and made an offer to settle. I also concede Bethenny could have decided to quit while she was ahead. I wasn't there. Were you?

Settle for what.  He went into the custody hearing asking for joint custody.  That's what the outcome was.

[ZoloftBlob]

But Jason did not lose anything, he did not settle, he got what he asked for, Joint/Shared Custody. Bethenny on the other hand did settle, she did not get what she wanted, Primary Custody, she settled for what Jason wanted, Joint/Shared Custody!

 

Again, you were there and know this how?

 

My point btw is that the common argument is that Bethenny testified and then settled and this is somehow awful because Jason got everything he wanted but never got to refute her points. So in other words, he got everything he wanted and people are complaining why?

Edited June 15, 2015 by ZoloftBlob

[WireWrap]

Again, you were there and know this how?

By the court records, that is how we know. And we know that they share custody, 50/50.

[shoegal]

Because, Jason amended his request to joint/shared custody well before they went to court, Bethenny did not, she kept asking/insisting on primary custody up until she testified and then she very quickly settled. She settled before the next court date, before she had to answer to his attorneys and before Jason took the stand. How could he settle, he wanted joint/shared, Bethenny was the one that demanded primary? For Jason to settle, that would mean that he allowed Bethenny to have Primary Custody and that did not happen.

Jason cannot amend his petition to primary custody after watching a lying Bethenny commit perjury in sworn testimony? I'm just saying, Jason doesn't seem the type to just shut up and take it, he's going to let her lie about him and his family and let his daughter spend 50% of her time with a woman who will lie about him in a court of law? He's not going to use her perjury that she handed him on a silver platter to go for the jugular?

Just not seeing it...nor do I see Bethenny being stupid enough to lie in court and give Jason an opening. I know Jason is from Hazelton, but I don't think it's out of the question that he could behave like an ass during the divorce.

Edited June 15, 2015 by shoegal

[WireWrap]

Why didn't Jason change his petition to primary custody after watching a lying Bethenny perjur herself in sworn testimony? I'm just saying, Jason doesn't seem the type to just shut up and take it, he's going to let her lie about him and his family and let his daughter spend 50% of her time with a woman who will lie about him in a court of law? He's not going to use her perjury that she handed him on a silver platter to go for the jugular?

Just not seeing it...nor do I see Bethenny being stupid enough to lie in court and give Jason an opening. I know Jason is from Hazelton, but I don't think it's out of the question that he could behave like an ass during the divorce.

Because he got what he wanted, joint/shared custody, and that, IMO, meant more to him than anything she could have said.  People lie all the time in custody fights and in divorce cases, it is wrong, it is illegal but they do it anyway thinking they can get away with it. Flip this, why would Bethenny settle with Jason if she really thought/felt he was not qualified have joint custody? She was the one that refused joint/shared custody from the get go all the way through this fight,  up until she had her say on the witness stand then her next move was to settle? WHY?

 

And YES, I do see Bethenny lying on the stand, I see her wanting to damage the father of her only child as a parting shot. Her hate runs deep IMO.

[ZoloftBlob]

By the court records, that is how we know. And we know that they share custody, 50/50.

 

Not really what I am asking. *You* were there and are a witness?

[shoegal]

Because he got what he wanted, joint/shared custody, and that, IMO, meant more to him than anything she could have said. People lie all the time in custody fights and in divorce cases, it is wrong, it is illegal but they do it anyway thinking they can get away with it. Flip this, why would Bethenny settle with Jason if she really thought/felt he was not qualified have joint custody? She was the one that refused joint/shared custody from the get go all the way through this fight, up until she had her say on the witness stand then her next move was to settle? WHY?

And YES, I do see Bethenny lying on the stand, I see her wanting to damage the father of her only child as a parting shot. Her hate runs deep IMO.

Perhaps because she didn't want all the shitty things she did to be made public? I don't doubt that both of them got dirty and ugly real quick, and I don't doubt that Bethenny settled because she didn't want Jason to get a chance to spill her secrets. Was it a dirty move? Probably, but I don't think that means she lied about Jason and made shit up under penalty of perjury, giving Jason an opportunity to nail her ass to the wall...and jeapordize custody of her kid

But I do agree, there is some Bethenny hate that runs deep, for sure.

Edited June 15, 2015 by shoegal

[WireWrap]

Not really what I am asking. *You* were there and are a witness?

No, I was not, were you? Are you a confidant of Bethenny's?  I think we are at a stalemate here. I am going by public records for my information.

Perhaps because she didn't want all the shitty things she did to be made public? I don't doubt that both of them got dirty and ugly real quick, and I don't doubt that Bethenny settled because she didn't want Jason to get a chance to spill her secrets. Was it a dirty move? Probably, but I don't think that means she lied about Jason and made shit up under penalty of perjury, giving Jason an opportunity to nail her ass to the wall.

But I do agree, there is some Bethenny hate that runs deep, for sure.

I have no doubts that she settled to keep her own ugly behavior quiet and I never said that Jason was innocent in their marriage failing. Both sides were at fault to varying degrees.

The hate I was referring to was the hate that Bethenny has inside herself. I, myself, do not hate her.

Edited June 15, 2015 by WireWrap

[breezy424]

Not really what I am asking. *You* were there and are a witness?

Of course she wasn't.  But, the outcome was that they would have shared custody.  That's what happened - and Beth has basically acknowledged this on RHNY.  The reporter that was there backs up that Jason requested shared custody.

 

Did Beth lie on the stand?  I don't know.  She wasn't in the apartment when Jason and his father were allegedly in their underwear.  She was never questioned regarding if they were notified that there was a photo shoot to take place.  She was never cross examined about any of it.  And probably, most importantly, she was not a witness to what happened at the condo that day. 

 

Bottom line is, IMO, that her entire testimony regarding whether or not Jason was a fit parent to have shared custody was ridiculous - and the fact that they settled attests to this.  All she had to offer was stolen remotes, men in underwear and crap in the toilet.  It was all so desperate. 

[ZoloftBlob]

No, I was not, were you? Are you a confidant of Bethenny's?

 

Not in the slightest. You're making statements of fact, which is why I ask if you actually know. Since you *do not* have exclusive private info, your comments are opinions and not facts, which is what I wanted to clarify. You have no idea what happened in court and why.

[shoegal]

 

Did Beth lie on the stand?  I don't know.  She wasn't in the apartment when Jason and his father were allegedly in their underwear.  She was never questioned regarding if they were notified that there was a photo shoot to take place.  She was never cross examined about any of it.  And probably, most importantly, she was not a witness to what happened at the condo that day. 

 

While I haven't read the transcripts, the way it was reported was that Bethenny testified that she was having a photo shoot done in the apartment when this happened, so yes, she would be there to witness. I'm guessing others would be able to testify as well to corroborate. Why lie an make up an incident that involves witnesses?

[breezy424]

While I haven't read the transcripts, the way it was reported was that Bethenny testified that she was having a photo shoot done in the apartment when this happened, so yes, she would be there to witness. I'm guessing others would be able to testify as well to corroborate. Why lie an make up an incident that involves witnesses?

I didn't say Beth lied.  The bottom line, what does it matter?  It doesn't make an ounce of difference in the outcome.  That's not anywhere near sufficient evidence that someone in their underwear in their own home is not deserving of having shared custody of their child.  Her arguments, once again, were ridiculous.

[film noire]

So, she is covered in buttons.  

 

 

 

If your husband saying you are "too damaged to be loved" is suddenly being equated with hyper-sensitivity, crazy-reactive attitudes and being "covered in buttons", then I suspect the majority of married women would qualify for that category, if faced with a similar statement. 

Edited June 15, 2015 by film noire

[ZoloftBlob]

That's not anywhere near sufficient evidence that someone in their underwear in their own home is not deserving of having shared custody of their child.  Her arguments, once again, were ridiculous

 

Actually, an ex refusing to move out and becoming increasingly difficult and threatening to live with is an indicater that bad behavior was escalating. Did Jason and his dad previously hang out in their underpants before the divorce? Or did they start that little habit when the divorce began? Was it coupled with other passive aggressive behavior like cranking the tv up and stealing the remote? Suddenly becoming slovenly and refusing to flush the toilet? Leaving dirty dishes around? 

 

It always seems to get presented as:

"Jason forgot to flush the toilet and Bethenny divorced him! How silly she is!"

or

"He was in his own home once in boxer shorts and Bethenny needs to get over it"

or

"He took the remote, poor Bethenny, maybe she should just get off her dumb divorcing ass and change the channel and thank precious Jason for the opportunity"

 

When if you look at all these cutesy passive aggressive behaviors together, yes, Jason was being a nasty bastard. Not worthy of custody? No... but I would question how he'd react to Bryn ticking him off (and frankly I question how Bethenny will handle that as well)

[zoeysmom]

If you were there, say so. I think its not beyond the realm of reason that Jason decided after hearing her testimony that he might lose and made an offer to settle. I also concede Bethenny could have decided to quit while she was ahead. I wasn't there. Were you?

I can read and it was a public trial.  So this assertion of someone needing to be there to see what happened is farcical.  For over a century, we have relied on eye witness accounts of courtroom proceedings to deliver the news to the public.  I wasn't at Teresa Giudice's sentencing but I did believe  her getting 15 months by the reporters who were in the room.  So if Jason made the first overture it would make him weak, the devil, Bethenny a victim?  People need to indulge in common sense and this is a pretty simple thing to figure out-Bethenny decided not to go forward....only Bethenny could decide to do that.  She had other witnesses and they were all pulled after her testimony.  if one party gets exactly what hey were asking for and we know that the from the  at-issue at time of trial was joint custody from Jason's side and the parties agreed to joint custody Jason certainly didn't lose.  Bethenny won in that she got to publicly trash he father of her child and the only grandparents her child has ever known. What would make Jason's offer any more acceptable to Bethenny after her testimony?    

Edited June 15, 2015 by zoeysmom

[seasick]

I gotta weigh in here.  I preface that i lost track of B especially after her talk show ended.  I knew she was divorcing but that was about it.   I did watch BGM and BEA .  I cannot add any facts about their legal agreements etc. Apologies if I'm interrupting the flow of that convo but do want to talk abut what I saw in their marriage.

 

During BGM and BEA I was beginning to admire and relate to B although I admit I was still a little bit afraid of her.  When she got married to Jason I thought   "hey, she CAN share!'" {spotlight, success, feelings  etc.)  "She can accept and want an 'equal'.".  I guess up to that point I saw her as always competitive and always very .. um  'singular' --   not so much selfish (but that's part of it) but more like "I don't want/need your help,"   I never saw her as a "partnership" person. 

 

So this is some of what I saw in their marriage. As you will see I have a great deal of sympathy for Jason.  I can have selective memory so feel free to remind me if I'm forgetting something or missing a piece of the puzzle.

 

I saw B becoming more and more nervous and stonewalling as the SG brand took off.  Jason was dedicated to helping her but she was on the fence about really letting him partner in or becoming a bonafide employee.  That was a fact as I recall.  They both talked about the pros and cons of him coming on board. .  It seemed she wanted his feedback and support, but wasn't sure she wanted to make it official.

 

 I thought  "girl you are not all in on this marriage. You are already thinking about your assets ..'in case'."  This was not a little shit business he wanted in on for lack of his own talent and drive.  There was plenty of room for him and he would have been a true asset.  Frankly I think he saw the writing on the wall then.

 

Her Birthday party.  How rude and selfish could she be?  Hiding and crying in the bathroom.  She just had a wedding where she was the center of attention.    But now it's all too much and overwhelming.?  What a kick in the teeth to him, his parents, and friends. I cannot help but think her overall thought process is  "don't do anything for me, help me or care about me because I WILL -- sooner than later--DROP you and move on, and I don't want to look like a shit.  I don't want to "OWE" you ANYTHING..   .

 

She resented his 'normal, wholesome' family and his image of being 'normal' as well.  I could understand a bit of envy for that, but No ..it wasn't that.  She said over and over that it made her look bad.  (i'm tired of being the "crazy one'.  "you always look like the Good Guy")  She beat him with that stick constantly.   Gosh Bethenny, one would think you would be happy to have a family like that, especially for the sake of your daughter and after boo-hooing about the horror that your family was.  But no. .   I couldn't believe she had the balls to say out-loud and unabashedly that she resented him AND his family for being wholesome and normal and kind to her.   It was like water to the wicked witch.

 

 Bethenny was stingy with that baby.too.  ('this is MY baby..or child".. idk ) ..yeah she said that.  and "I don't want visit his parents in PA every other weekend " .  

 

I truly believe Jason's wrath is rooted in the disrespect and ingratitude Bethenny showed to his parents.  She shit all over everything they were and did.  She as much as told him WHILE they were married  that  'you and your family have nothing to offer me'. .  You are ruining my image and you will take my money.'    and he thought .."you know what? as always..You're right!"  

[zoeysmom]

Jason cannot amend his petition to primary custody after watching a lying Bethenny commit perjury in sworn testimony? I'm just saying, Jason doesn't seem the type to just shut up and take it, he's going to let her lie about him and his family and let his daughter spend 50% of her time with a woman who will lie about him in a court of law? He's not going to use her perjury that she handed him on a silver platter to go for the jugular?

Just not seeing it...nor do I see Bethenny being stupid enough to lie in court and give Jason an opening. I know Jason is from Hazelton, but I don't think it's out of the question that he could behave like an ass during the divorce.

It could it could be argued that perhaps Bethenny's error was focusing on the negative about Jason instead of reinforcing her position it was in the best interest of the child that primary custody rest with her. 

 

Maybe just maybe Jason felt joint custody was in the child's best interest.  When Bethenny originally filed for divorce she was wanting to relocate to Los Angeles for her talk show.  With her talk show filming in NY, Jason only need have joint custody.  Divorce and custody cases  are full of contrary "perception".  IIRC Jason was ordered to stop filming Bethenny in the family home.  A wise idea.   

 

I have said they  were  both immature -only one of them decided to go public and peel back the layers of the onion.

Edited June 15, 2015 by zoeysmom

[Abby2197]

At the conclusion of the Bethany therapy sessions I felt like they never moved to the problem solving phase (for lack of a better word), rather they stayed in problem dwelling. It's as tho a big part of Bethany is still that 5 year old who is really pissed off at life but doesn't seem to know how to grow up and get into the solution. (Which is no excuse for her behavior) I would think therapy would have nurtured that somehow.

With that said, the only time I saw Beth have an 'ah ha' moment in therapy was when she realized she was her mother in the Thanksgiving episode on BEA. She didn't cry or get angry about it but seemed to realize she was not 'breaking the chain' as much as she thought she would.

Edited June 15, 2015 by Deb2197

[Jel]

As much as I dislike seeing her tv therapy sessions, I can say for sure that therapy can take a lot of time. There are often many variables.

 

ETA: Agree that she sometimes seems like she's five --people can and do get "stuck" emotionally at certain ages. I feel sad for her about that.

Edited June 15, 2015 by Jel