S02.E12: Jedha, Kyber, Erso

[Ohiopirate02]

It makes sense to me that a rebellion to an empire with one ruler would at first rule by committee. Historically speaking it is one of the first attempts of government. It happened in the US, France, and Russia. So Mon deferring to Bail and the rest of the council feels right. 

[jah1986]

Loved it! I will be rewatching Rogue One this weekend. It really was a great series and love how it lead straight into the movie.

Is it at all possible that Bix didn't find out she was pregnant until after she left Cassian? Not all women know the moment of conception. 

Everyone looked more or less like they did in Rogue One, poor Mon Mothma, a year on Yavin and she's so drab. How did Perrin survive and still live the high life? Although he looks miserable.

I guess Dedra could have wound up on the Death Star, but this is better.

Great job at not dragging a series out too long.

[meep.meep]

The lone "May the Force be with you" seemed to come out of the blue.

[Raja]

1 minute ago, meep.meep said:

The lone "May the Force be with you" seemed to come out of the blue.

I was thinking that it was signal that Andor no longer the spy for the Luthen organization but an intelligence captain for the main rebel forces Even if political leaders don't really believe themselves they did learn to use the verbiage.

[aemom]

Just finished watching the final episode trilogy last night. 

We decided to watch Rogue One before watching this season, thinking there might be a bit of character overlap. I'm somewhat surprised that there was none.

But anyway, outstanding series. It really drives home the point of how many people were willing to sacrifice everything to fight against the Empire. Sometimes people will say, "I'm just one person, how can I possibly make a difference?" But here you saw just how many times how the actions of a single person indeed made all of the difference. 

I hope that we see some of these characters again in new projects. 

[paigow]

1 hour ago, meep.meep said:

The lone "May the Force be with you" seemed to come out of the blue.

Organa & Kenobi are bros... so that is less surprising coming from him...

[Orbert]

6 hours ago, jacehan said:

Well, by the time we see Mon being the leader of the Alliance in Return of the Jedi, everyone else at that table is, I think, dead. Which also isn't a great look.

I guess.  There's Mister "It's a trap!" and I don't remember what happens to Bail later to be honest, and I don't really know who the others were.  Was Draven on the committee?  I haven't rewatched it yet.  Anyway, Ep 9 ended with her going to Yavin to make a speech, and I figured Okay, this is the real start of the Alliance in a sense.  I didn't expect them to suddenly make her their leader or anything, but a year later I guess I expected her to be farther along than what we saw.

Not a huge thing, but still something that caught my attention.

[paigow]

Hopefully, Dedra learned to swim while in the Imperial Orphanage System...

[dwmarch]

If the Empire is smart, they would have realized that they could save on money and prisoners by not having the floors set to lethal. Imagine Dedra stepping out of her cell thinking she's about to fry herself and instead she just wakes up the next morning with a headache. And then some prisoner tries the same escape route that Cassian tried except now with the floors turned down, they won't short out.

Having said that, if she serves her time, eventually the Rebels will let her out when the Empire falls. And she's probably in the system as "Rebel Spy" so she might get a hero's welcome when she is finally released. "Oh yeah, Luthen. Him and I were best buddies. Nobody knew I was the mole at ISB!"

[paigow]

18 hours ago, dwmarch said:

"Oh yeah, Luthen. Him and I were best buddies. Nobody knew I was the mole at ISB!"

Except Bix, Wilmon, Vel and Kleya... 

Edited May 18 by paigow

[tkc]

On 5/15/2025 at 11:01 PM, KimberStormer said:

WHAT I DID LIKE was B2EMO and Bix happy on Planet of Wheat, even though I agree it's a bad place for her to be.  The "tragically dead hero leaves behind a child so his life was not in vain" is such a massive cliche but it's almost such a ubiquitous cliche that I can't blame them for it. 

Planet of Wheat is Cassian’s Elysium, which tragically we know he will never see.

On a side note, is the grain that Bix grows called Wheat-o’-Bix?

[Kmr]

So my thoughts for all three episodes may be jumbled up in this post. This was a fitting end to a great series. 

Don't have an issue with Bix and the baby ending.

One thing that came to my mind with Deedra and her ending was her remark to Eedy about not knowing what she was missing not having a mother’s love. Of course it was sarcastic but in a way defined her relationship with the Empire. She is like an ambitious child trying to please their parents and be rewarded. Deedra doesn’t understand that the Empire doesn’t reward the overly ambitious because they want people to stay in their lane and comply.

[paigow]

11 hours ago, tkc said:

Planet of Wheat is Cassian’s Elysium, which tragically we know he will never see.

On a side note, is the grain that Bix grows called Wheat-o’-Bix?

Who wants to petition the Galactic Senate for renaming Mina-Rau to Mina-Rye?

[wanderingstar]

On 5/17/2025 at 11:03 AM, jah1986 said:

Everyone looked more or less like they did in Rogue One, poor Mon Mothma, a year on Yavin and she's so drab. How did Perrin survive and still live the high life? Although he looks miserable.

If I had to guess, he disavowed any knowledge of Mon's rebel activities. I also wouldn't be surprised Leida just disowned her mother.

[Shanna Marie]

16 hours ago, paigow said:

16 hours ago, dwmarch said:

"Oh yeah, Luthen. Him and I were best buddies. Nobody knew I was the mole at ISB!"

Except Bix, Willmon, Vel and Kleya... 

Yeah, Wilmon's not letting that go, considering she had his father killed. And then Ghorman.

Upon a rewatch, I found Vel's sincere use of the code phrase "I have friends everywhere" to be quite touching. She really is surrounded by friends, and she was being a friend to Kleya, even though they'd always been at odds and Kleya was bitchy to her. She seemed to have found a kind of peace in her work on Yavin that she didn't have as one of Luthen's agents.

I'm still ambivalent about the ending with Bix. I've seen the interviews with Tony Gilroy about why they did it, about needing to have a glimmer of hope even though we know things don't work out for Bix and Cassian, but at the same time, it bothers me. How is Bix going to feel knowing she essentially sent Cassian to his death by forcing him to stay in the rebellion, and her hiding away meant she didn't get to meet his child? The conversation in which Vel told Cassian he should look up Bix was weird, given that Bix was the one who left him and told him she'd find him when it was over. But Vel is making it sound like it's up to Cassian to find Bix. I got the impression she knew about the baby, and I guess she felt that Cassian had a right to know. She wasn't going to give away Bix's secret, but she was encouraging Cassian to find out for himself.

The previous episode (plus some events in this one) helped me solidify why I'm not totally on board with Bix and Cassian, even though I like the idea of them and I'm usually a sucker for childhood sweethearts getting back together later in life. The main thing was that scene of Cas, Melshi, and K2 playing cards and Cassian and Melshi laughing together, then them working as a team when they went to rescue Kleya. We didn't get anything like that with Cassian and Bix. We didn't see them together laughing and at ease, and we didn't get to see them truly on an operation together, where they have to have each other's backs. We just got that one shot of them walking away and him pressing a detonator, not the kind of teamwork and partnership we got here with Melshi and with Jyn in Rogue One. There's a tension in all their domestic scenes together. They always seem to be mad or irritated with each other, aside from very brief fleeting moments when they have a second of flirtation. Otherwise, they're tense with each other or with the situation. It's even a recurring motif of him waking up, reaching for her, and finding that the other side of the bed is empty. The sense I get is of two people who love each other and want to make it work but who are fundamentally incompatible because not only do they want different things, but they want things that are mutually exclusive. They can't both have what they want while they're together. Bix said she wanted to win this rebellion, but she didn't seem comfortable with Cas doing what he felt he had to do in order to win.

I have to wonder how much this was intentional and how much was just not fitting in anything that showed they had the potential to be happy because there was too much stuff important to the plot to show. Bix seems to be in her happy place at the end, but we never saw Cassian living on Wheat World, so we don't know if that was something he actually would have wanted. Would having a family have been enough purpose to keep him out of trouble, or was he someone who was never going to be able to settle down and be domestic?

[astrohip]

22 hours ago, Orbert said:

 I don't remember what happens to Bail later to be honest,

Bail Organa died when the Death Star destroyed Alderaan in the first Star Wars movie (IV).

[paigow]

On 5/17/2025 at 11:03 AM, jah1986 said:

How did Perrin survive and still live the high life? Although he looks miserable.

Likely framed old Sculdun as a Rebel money launderer...

[meep.meep]

On 5/17/2025 at 10:55 AM, paigow said:

Organa & Kenobi are bros... so that is less surprising coming from him...

The reason I brought up Bail saying that is that in the rest of Star Wars, it's all about the Force.  Andor has only that little bit with the Force Healer.  If the Force is going to be important enough for Bail to say that to Cassian, then they should be at least talking about how it might be a useful thing for them to harness.

It's like Cassian asking Syril "who are you?" because he genuinely didn't know.  Why mention the Force to someone who doesn't know anything about it?

I figured Bix went to the wheat planet because she knew people there.

[Raja]

31 minutes ago, meep.meep said:

The reason I brought up Bail saying that is that in the rest of Star Wars, it's all about the Force.  Andor has only that little bit with the Force Healer.  If the Force is going to be important enough for Bail to say that to Cassian, then they should be at least talking about how it might be a useful thing for them to harness.

Although we know it works because we have seen the movie The Force is not something people plan on showing up, it is seen as something to have faith in. So saying "may the force be with you" would be no different from an earth believer, or just someone who is not a hard atheist saying "Godspeed" to someone going on a mission.

[paigow]

33 minutes ago, meep.meep said:

  If the Force is going to be important enough for Bail to say that to Cassian

Why mention the Force to someone who doesn't know anything about it?

Force Insensitive individuals have adapted this as Good Luck, Godspeed, Break a Leg... Belief / Faith is irrelevant

[Orbert]

8 hours ago, astrohip said:

Bail Organa died when the Death Star destroyed Alderaan in the first Star Wars movie (IV).

Yeah, we just (re-)watched Rogue One, and he's there on Yavin, then says something about having to get back to Alderaan, and I went "Oh, yeah..."

[SharonH58]

On 5/17/2025 at 12:21 PM, meep.meep said:

The lone "May the Force be with you" seemed to come out of the blue.

They sure laid that on thick in Rogue One.  It seemed everyone said it then.  :(

I rewatched Rogue One.  I didn't remember much from it.  I do remember I didn't like the main female actress.  Also there was zero character information.  Who was Cassian?  Just some guy who showed up.  Why was Jyn made the 'leader' when all she was was her father's daughter?   Poor Saw had too small a part.   I kept thinking of Luthen during the movie.  Even though at the time it was thought to be not very Star Wars after seeing Andor and the fantastic job they did, Rogue One was all Star Wars.  All battle and Pew Pew and no real story.

Edited May 19 by SharonH58

[Shanna Marie]

17 hours ago, meep.meep said:

The reason I brought up Bail saying that is that in the rest of Star Wars, it's all about the Force.  Andor has only that little bit with the Force Healer.  If the Force is going to be important enough for Bail to say that to Cassian, then they should be at least talking about how it might be a useful thing for them to harness.

I think a lot of it has to do with the time period. Just a few days later, Han Solo scoffs at the idea of the Force. Jedism/the Force is essentially a banned religion. People with Force sensitivity have been hunted down and killed or imprisoned for use in testing. Your average person in Cassian's time period is not going to talk about the Force. But Bail worked with the Jedi. He knows it's real. Saying "May the Force be with you" is possibly something he means sincerely because he knows it's real, but saying it is also an act of rebellion because it's a banned belief. It's defiance against the Empire.

It's possible that other people within the rebellion are already using the phrase for that reason but we don't see it because we're mostly seeing all this through Cassian's eyes and if Cassian is hostile to the idea of the Force, he's going to avoid the people who talk about it, so we haven't heard anyone say "May the Force be with you" yet.

When we get to the original trilogy, they're all saying it all the time, maybe even because of the Scarif raid's success. Things are looking up for them, and they might attribute it to divine intervention, or else they're getting cockier about defying the Empire openly. And then they start getting more evidence that it's real, so it's not just the equivalent of saying "God bless you" when someone sneezes but is something they know is true.

It's been less than twenty years since the Jedi were wiped out and banned, so there are still people around who may have seen evidence of Force use, but it's been dangerous to talk about it, so it was easy for it to be forgotten, and most people probably never encountered a Jedi, so it might have still been the stuff of legend for them.

[Sarah 103]

On 5/17/2025 at 5:37 PM, Orbert said:

 Anyway, Ep 9 ended with her going to Yavin to make a speech, and I figured Okay, this is the real start of the Alliance in a sense.  I didn't expect them to suddenly make her their leader or anything, but a year later I guess I expected her to be farther along than what we saw.

Overall, I enjoyed this season/series. I was really hoping Mon Mothma would have a crowning moment of awesome in the final three episodes. I didn't expect her to suddenly become the star of the show, but I did expect one big moment that shows what she would become. 

 

[tv-talk]

When you consider the Clone Wars at the very least, there is no doubt every single person SHOULD have believed in the Force. It's always been silly that Han's attitude was "that silly religion" or that the one guy Vader chokes out actually had the audacity to say what he did. There is an obvious disconnect between the original movie and what they backfilled in later. Star Wars made it seem like the Force was something that died out 1,000+ years ago but the story they wrote later had Interstellar Wars being led by ultra-powerful Jedis (and Siths) merely 10-15yrs prior to Luke meeting up with Ben. Literally every single person in the Andor series should know about the Force and believe it's real.

[Raja]

7 minutes ago, tv-talk said:

When you consider the Clone Wars at the very least, there is no doubt every single person SHOULD have believed in the Force. It's always been silly that Han's attitude was "that silly religion" or that the one guy Vader chokes out actually had the audacity to say what he did. There is an obvious disconnect between the original movie and what they backfilled in later. Star Wars made it seem like the Force was something that died out 1,000+ years ago but the story they wrote later had Interstellar Wars being led by ultra-powerful Jedis (and Siths) merely 10-15yrs prior to Luke meeting up with Ben. Literally every single person in the Andor series should know about the Force and believe it's real.

So you are saying The Clone Wars in fan canon supersedes what Lucas put on the screen in Star Wars.

Andor, as the adult alternative, maybe aimed more at those kids and teens who went to the theatres in 1976 and fits directly into Rogue One and then Star Wars and haven't seen much of the Disney era content than the latest generation

[Ilovepie]

2 hours ago, tv-talk said:

When you consider the Clone Wars at the very least, there is no doubt every single person SHOULD have believed in the Force.

Should they though? I would guess that the average person in the galaxy had very little to do with the Jedi, and considering when this show takes place, the Jedi have been effectively wiped out.

This show was epic. That ending was epic. I actually gasped twice this episode: first when I saw Dedra in the prison on Narkina 5, and when I saw Bix with that baby. I laughed when I saw where Dedra was - perfect ending for her. I cried when I saw Bix. After Cassian's slow final walk through the Yavin base I was already emotional. Like Luthen, he burned his life for a sunrise he'll never see. But his baby will. Beautiful and poignant without being sappy. Rebellions are built on  hope. There is the hope. Loved it.

Lastly, my beloved K-2SO stole the show. "Are you with us?" "No". "I've cleared a path". I cannot express how happy I am that he was included in this show even a little bit!

I am sad this show is over, it was so excellent. I've seen people online say nothing Star Wars will ever top it, but I truly hope that is not true. Now I'm off to shop for a T-shirt that says "I have friends everywhere" - say hi if you see me in Disneyland with it on 😉

Edited May 19 by Ilovepie

[Sarah 103]

5 hours ago, Ilovepie said:

Lastly, my beloved K-2SO stole the show. "Are you with us?" "No". "I've cleared a path". I cannot express how happy I am that he was included in this show even a little bit!

I am sad this show is over, it was so excellent. I've seen people online say nothing Star Wars will ever top it, but I truly hope that is not true. Now I'm off to shop for a T-shirt that says "I have friends everywhere" - say hi if you see me in Disneyland with it on 😉

K-2SO was used well in this series. I wasn't sure if they actually needed to show Andor seeing him in action and brining him to base, but the writers knew what they were doing. It was a perfect use/example of set-up and pay-off. We have seen what K-2SO can do with his original programming, and then they show him doing a version of it with his new programming. 

Also, I need a short of C3P0 and K-2SO interacting. It could be a Lego Short, because those are silly fun that are not 100% cannon or cannon compliant.  

Disney should absolutely be selling a t shirt that says "I have friends everywhere." 

[Ilovepie]

20 minutes ago, Sarah 103 said:

Also, I need a short of C3P0 and K-2SO interacting. It could be a Lego Short, because those are silly fun that are not 100% cannon or cannon compliant

I would love this! K-2SO is my favorite droid of all time. I am so glad he was in this. Alan Tudyk was the perfect person to voice him. It would be funny to see the "talking" droids. In fact, a short with all droids would be fun - love me some R2D2 and BB8 too!

I found a shirt on on TeePublic with the resistance symbol. I don't think Disney could put out anything more perfect. I am admittedly a Disney adult and a sucker for the merch, but I do stray from Disney branded stuff when it's cute!

[Kel Varnsen]

I really liked that and I was impressed they made an episode where nothing happens but at the same time everything happens. And everyone involved completely brings it right to the end.

I am happy we got clips of what happened to most people. I can imagine that the empire wouldn't be a threat to Mon's husband since considering she didn't ask about him during her escape that there marriage was over (possibly even officially). And he is a rich, connected, idiot so it's possible that the ISB wouldn't bother with him. I would have liked it if we saw what happened to Mon's daughter though since I can absolutely see the ISB going after her to get to Mon.

I also would have liked some resolution with Cassian's sister, since him looking for her is what kicked off the whole show. But I guess sometimes that's just how the way things go.

It also would have been cool if we got some kind of glimpse as to what happened to the stolen Tie Fighter. Like just show it at Yavin or something maybe in one of the previous arcs. 

I also liked Vel and Cassian raising a glass to their fallen friends. And how she said something about how many people she has met that have said they were part of the Aldhani heist. That was funny.

Edited May 20 by Kel Varnsen

[Sarah 103]

16 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

I can imagine that the empire wouldn't be a threat to Mon's husband since considering she didn't ask about him during her escape that there marriage was over (possibly even officially). And he is a rich, connected, idiot so it's possible that the ISB wouldn't bother with him. I would have liked it if we saw what happened to Mon's daughter though since I can absolutely see the ISB going after her to get to Mon.

So this is a fan theory based off what you wrote and pure speculation. If Mon's Husband (Perrin) is rich enough and/or well connected enough that the ISB wouldn't bother him (also because they think he's an idiot and not a threat), it's possible they will take the same hands' off approach to his daughter. Also, Leida's father-in-law is also wealthy and somewhat well connected as well. 

[Shanna Marie]

35 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

I also would have liked some resolution with Cassian's sister, since him looking for her is what kicked off the whole show. 

Tony Gilroy said that the lack of resolution about his sister is sort of like an unhealed wound in him, and resolving that would change who Cassian was, so they deliberately didn't resolve that. It was a big motivator for him early, and that hole was always there in his heart, as we see when we see that he's still dreaming about her.

Sign me up for the K2 and C3PO show, especially when you've heard about how Alan Tudyk and Anthony Daniels picked on each other when filming Rogue One. It sounds like they were hilarious, so I can imagine that those two interacting on the Yavin base would be highly amusing. And then throw in R2-D2 reacting to it all, and probably stirring stuff up to make them argue.

[tkc]

6 hours ago, Ilovepie said:

Now I'm off to shop for a T-shirt that says "I have friends everywhere" - say hi if you see me in Disneyland with it on 😉

Cool idea! I think it would also be cool to have a "Visiting friends?" shirt, since that is the opening challenge of the pass phrase!

42 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

I also would have liked some resolution with Cassian's sister, since him looking for her is what kicked off the whole show. 

I expect the "resolution" as such was what we were shown in this episode -- that Cassian's sister had never left his dreams.

[Kel Varnsen]

57 minutes ago, Sarah 103 said:

So this is a fan theory based off what you wrote and pure speculation. If Mon's Husband (Perrin) is rich enough and/or well connected enough that the ISB wouldn't bother him (also because they think he's an idiot and not a threat), it's possible they will take the same hands' off approach to his daughter. Also, Leida's father-in-law is also wealthy and somewhat well connected as well. 

I'll probably just go with that. But at the same time I think it works better with Perrin since not only would the ISB think he is an idiot but also probably know that Mon has no connection to him, since I think their marriage was over before her speech. So the ISB arresting him and holding him hostage probably won't get her to come back to Coruscant. But at the same time if the ISB arrests Leida and says Mon has to come back that's different story. 

Edited May 20 by Kel Varnsen

[paigow]

2 hours ago, Sarah 103 said:

Disney should absolutely be selling a t shirt that says "I have friends everywhere." 

The Luthen version has additional text:

And I killed them when they became expendable

[SharonH58]

I was hoping when they showed the base at Yavin we would see some of the guys that Cassian ran into in season 1.  All cleaned up and ready to fight.  I loved this show.  In my head it stops at the end and Cassian isn't dead.  

[Raja]

21 hours ago, Ilovepie said:

Should they though? I would guess that the average person in the galaxy had very little to do with the Jedi, and considering when this show takes place, the Jedi have been effectively wiped out.

👍

We are in the overall story a few days from meeting Luke Skywalker who seemed to have no knowledge of The Force and Han Solo who is actively a skeptic.

[Ohiopirate02]

6 minutes ago, Raja said:

👍

We are in the overall story a few days from meeting Luke Skywalker who seemed to have no knowledge of The Force and Han Solo who is actively a skeptic.

Though Luke is not really indicative of what the average person knows about The Force. He's ignorant because the adults who raised him made the active decision to not tell him things.

[tv-talk]

1 hour ago, Raja said:

We are in the overall story a few days from meeting Luke Skywalker who seemed to have no knowledge of The Force and Han Solo who is actively a skeptic.

Which is, on the face of it, absurd. Many many millions died in the Clone Wars which involved hundreds of systems and was basically for control of the Galaxy. This all happened just a few years before Luke was born yet somehow everyone had forgotten it? That's absurd and a result of the story having to be told after they already made the original Star Wars movie.

[Kel Varnsen]

13 minutes ago, tv-talk said:

Which is, on the face of it, absurd. Many many millions died in the Clone Wars which involved hundreds of systems and was basically for control of the Galaxy. This all happened just a few years before Luke was born yet somehow everyone had forgotten it? That's absurd and a result of the story having to be told after they already made the original Star Wars movie.

Is it? The galaxy is huge and the Jedi one large building full of people. If you were someone alive at the same time Luke was, even if you were old enough to remember the Republic, odds are you never saw a Jedi, or even had one come to your city. If anything you might have saw some fake force user. Combine that with how effective the Empire's propaganda machine is and I could see people thinking the force is the same as how most people see psychics. At best a lot of people might be the same as how sceptics view major religions in our world. And saying "may the force be with you" could just be how non-religious people say "thank God".

[tv-talk]

Anakin was fighting The Clone Wars while Luke was a toddler. And those wars killed many, many millions of people across thousands of solar systems with the Jedi leading one side's army. How would anyone not remember this? If Jesus or Buddha or Thor were around 20yrs ago working miracles across the globe, everyone now would remember it very well and not scoff at the idea of it (to use your example). 

Sure if you lived in a solar system that was completely uninvolved in the conflict and had no knowledge of the Republic of the Confederation...then yes you may have no idea about any of it- but you wouldnt be a rebel either, you'd be a non-participant from a place that didnt have space travel.

[Kel Varnsen]

22 minutes ago, tv-talk said:

If Jesus or Buddha or Thor were around 20yrs ago working miracles across the globe, everyone now would remember it very well and not scoff at the idea of it (to use your example). 

I don't know. If I heard a story about a guy on a battlefield 20 years ago that could move stuff with his mind and then was killed, and it was purely rumour because the government covered up any actual news of it, I would probably think it was fake. Just like I think psychics are fake. And one person out of the population of the world is probably about the equivalent to the number of Jedi divided by the population of the galaxy. 

Especially when you figure there would be fake force con artists, even during the Republic period that would cloud people's judgement.

And even if you know that Jedi were really, it's probably easier to accept that they were highly trained soldiers that were good with a sword, rather than that they actually knew magic.

Edited May 20 by Kel Varnsen

[Raja]

All of this faith versus know is covered in the Jewish and Christian scriptures in how fast people stopped believing in a supernatural intervention 

[tv-talk]

18 hours ago, Raja said:

All of this faith versus know is covered in the Jewish and Christian scriptures in how fast people stopped believing in a supernatural intervention 

Probably because it didnt actually happen. In the world of Star Wars, the Jedis were very much real and led armies in a war that killed maybe hundreds of millions. The notion they'd be forgotten 20yrs later is ludicrous and simply based on Star Wars having been Ep4 when 1-3 hadnt been fleshed out yet.

[Raja]

48 minutes ago, tv-talk said:

Probably because it didnt actually happen. In the world of Star Wars, the Jedis were very much real and led armies in a war that killed maybe hundreds of millions. The notion they'd be forgotten 20yrs later is ludicrous and simply based on Star Wars having been Ep4 when 1-3 hadnt been fleshed out yet.

Or the people like Han Solo thought it probably didn't happen the way the faithful said it happened. 

[Kel Varnsen]

1 hour ago, tv-talk said:

Probably because it didnt actually happen. In the world of Star Wars, the Jedis were very much real and led armies in a war that killed maybe hundreds of millions. The notion they'd be forgotten 20yrs later is ludicrous and simply based on Star Wars having been Ep4 when 1-3 hadnt been fleshed out yet.

Have Jedi's been forgotten too, or just the force? 

[Raja]

7 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Have Jedi's been forgotten too, or just the force? 

They say a Navy SEAL can do anything, but he is just a front. It is really done by some keyboard jockey dropping a drone on the enemy while sitting in a trailer when not in the Vegas casino

[tv-talk]

And let's not forget it wasnt just the Jedi, there were numerous Sith Lords active during the Clone Wars. Darth Maul and Opress were out in the open as was the woman whose name I forget.  Both sides of the conflict leaned heavily on Force users.

[Shanna Marie]

23 hours ago, tv-talk said:

Many many millions died in the Clone Wars which involved hundreds of systems and was basically for control of the Galaxy. This all happened just a few years before Luke was born yet somehow everyone had forgotten it?

People didn't forget the Clone Wars. They forgot that the Jedi had actual supernatural powers that came from using the Force.

I doubt most people ever saw the Jedi in action, especially within living memory. The Clone Wars were the Clone Wars because they were fought primarily by clones, under the leadership of the Jedi, and the Separatist army was primarily droids. There weren't a lot of kids from Outer Rim worlds being drafted and serving with Jedi, then going home and sharing stories about what the officers could do. Unless the battle was happening around someone, they wouldn't know what was happening. That would have made it easy for Palpatine to manipulate the message and make it sound like the Jedi were charlatans who betrayed the Republic.

I wonder if that was even his plan when he arranged the war the way he did. If the war was being fought between clones he could control through chips in their brains and droids who could be centrally controlled, that allowed the war to continue long enough for him to consolidate power because of the emergency without the general populace rebelling against their kids being thrown into the meat grinder, plus the general populace wouldn't have a way of getting details about what happened because they weren't going off to war and coming home with stories. Meanwhile, if ordinary people weren't doing the bulk of the fighting, that meant that when Palpatine took over, there weren't enough military veterans around once the Jedi were wiped out for any kind of militarized resistance movement to form in the early years of the Empire. There were just groups like Saw's, who had been fighting all along outside of any command structure. Palpatine moving away from the clones and to what he thought of as motivated recruits actually proved to be his downfall, when you look at the number of people involved with the rebellion who were deserters or defectors from the Imperial military, where presumably they learned at least a little bit about strategy and tactics. There was Luthen, then Han Solo and Cassian were both deserters. A number of pilots jumped ship from the Imperial academy, including Sabine, Wedge, and Biggs. If Palpatine had kept up with the clones, he wouldn't have trained his own opposition.

Back to the Jedi, if there were very few people with firsthand experience of seeing them in action, and if the official line was that the Force was a farce and anyone calling themselves a Jedi or showing any Force ability was hunted down and killed or captured, you can see how within 20 years belief in the Force would have died out.

It works for Bail to use "May the Force be with you," as he's one of the few left who did have first-hand experience of Jedi abilities. The other rebels picking it up as a rallying cry may have just been saying it because it was forbidden under the empire. It would have been an easy way to distinguish themselves from the Empire.

[Kel Varnsen]

1 hour ago, tv-talk said:

And let's not forget it wasnt just the Jedi, there were numerous Sith Lords active during the Clone Wars. Darth Maul and Opress were out in the open as was the woman whose name I forget.  Both sides of the conflict leaned heavily on Force users.

I thought there was only two (master and apprentice). And even if there were 20 most of them were operating in secret so it's not like very many people saw what they could do. And even if they did, that would be 20 people out of a whole galaxy. And Palpatine probably never used his powers in public and I doubt there were more than a handful of people at any given time who knew he had force powers. Unless he was choking people off camera.

Edited May 21 by Kel Varnsen