S01.E13: Pregame

[chitowngirl]

An important class-action lawsuit leads the team to investigate a sorority; Matty brings Alfie with her to Jacobson Moore on Family Day.
 

Airdate February 27, 2025 on CBS

[AnimeMania]

Aaron D. Harris as Alfie Kingston

[nokat]

Matty getting high was fun. They do like toying with us. Alfie being in the stairwell to distract everyone. Matty in Olympia's office: Alfie forgot his wallet. Just a lot of nail biting moments that turn out that Matty is quite clever.

[DanaK]

I’m not sure the case of the week was very interesting but seeing Maddy high with Sr was, as was the fakeout with Alfie

[andromeda331]

The case was boring. I liked stoned Matty with Sr. That was really great.  

Edited Yest. at 05:47 AM by andromeda331

[ItCouldBeWorse]

I assume this episode was inspired by the Panera Bread charged lemonade: https://www.cspinet.org/cspi-news/panera-stop-selling-charged-lemonade-following-lawsuits

3 hours ago, nokat said:

Matty getting high was fun.

What if Maddy had mentioned Ellie and the opioids?  Even consuming half an edible seemed risky.

It's also nuts how the defendant was arrested, had an immediate Mapp hearing (suppression of evidence following illegal police search), followed by an immediate trial.  Just crazy.

With regard to the Mapp hearing, the prosecutor Olympia would have pushed that the DA to show evidence that the police knew about the open house policy that day at the sorority before they entered without a warrant.  

And of course the girl who did spike the drink should face charges for her criminally negligent behavior.

When the DA came to visit Olympia to return evidence in person, I thought at first he was going to ask her out, not tell her that she was his "bear."  So that's twice that an attorney on this show has inspired another attorney to declare a feud (the 1st having been Sarah and Maddy.)  Didn't enjoy it then, won't enjoy it now.

I'm also unclear on how the DA got to her office without her knowing he was in the building.  Can anyone walk freely around the office without being approved by security?  Any lawyer?  Seems dangerous.

 

[ItCouldBeWorse]

Has Julian not noticed that he's been missing his id card for a few days?  Did he simply get a new one, at which time his old one should have been deactivated?  Or did Maddy swap hers for his, in which case, if anyone checks their records, their locations will have also been swapped?  Does she have to slip Julian's card back into his pocket/swap back for hers?

Edited 14 hours ago by ItCouldBeWorse

[Chicago Redshirt]

This show is so frustrating because it can do so many things well and then just fall apart on so many other things. I wish I weren't obsessed with it.

Like others, I found Matty stoned was hilarious. even though it should have set off red flags to get stoned with Senior on company property. She should have taken the offered edible and eaten it at home to avoid the possibility of it hitting her in a way that might help her blow her cover, and also avoid the possibility that Senior was trying to hit on/hook up with her.

The non-denominational bunny bit was funny, but would Olympia really go out of the way to fuck with Senior and give Julian a break when she's angling for partner?

I look forward to getting to know Matty's sister, and discovering that there is an actual Cindy Shapiro.

I liked them dealing with Matty blaming herself. I don't like Edwin rationalizing "Well sooner or later Ellie was going to OD." No, absolutely not.

Billy, you are an idiot. With you recognizing that Simone is flirting with Kira just to fuck with Sarah, the thought has to cross your mind that she's fooling around with you just to fuck with Sarah. It also should concern you that she is as petty and nasty as she has revealed herself to be in general, let alone toward your friend. No sexytimes are worth that shiznit. Get thee to a nunnery!

The return of Alfie was...not great. The revelation that he was born addicted did nothing to endear me to him on his return. I didn't need a MWBSP, Alfie being enlisted in the conspiracy, the contrivance of Alfie leaving his wallet behind in Olympia's office (how was that supposed to happen? Why would he have taken his wallet out there?) although I enjoyed the payoff. 

A short summary of problems with the Case of the Week:

1. With the upcoming class action against the energy drink set to go to trial, one more piece of evidence should not make that big a difference that it is worth this massive side quest of taking on a new case in an area outside their expertise.

2. Since the energy drink caused the death of Sorority Girl, it doesn't matter so much what the intent was of the person who administered the drink. In fact, I would argue it's better for Olympia's case if the person who administered the drink did so intending to harm its recipient. 

3. If anything. Olympia should have recruited the family of dead Sorority Girl as a client.

4. With the suppression hearing it was cute and all, but presumably the evidence of the cup and its contents were only obtained after Sorority Girl had been injured. At which point police had every right to be on site to investigate a potential crime, and there would be no reason to exclude evidence. The clothes drop-off was cute but it doesn't work as a basis to justify the police presence on scene. The invitation allows people to be present only for certain reasons (dropping off clothes) and in certain places (wherever the clothes drop off area is) It wouldn't give people carte blanche to go through the Sorority house for whatever purpose, let alone law enforcement.

5. I'm not sure the actions/motivation of actual culprit make much sense. They have a grudge against Client Sorority Girl such that they are willing to risk the health of Dead Sorority Girl and frame her for pranking Dead Sorority Girl? They go out of their way to swipe Client  Sorority Girl's ID to buy the Max Rager energy drink to frame her? Are they thinking that someone is going to be checking where the energy drink came from? It's a college campus -- I'm sure you probably can't walk 2 blocks or go two dorm room floors without finding cans and cans of the stuff.

6. I don't know if the revelation that it was Culprits who bought the energy drink with Client's ID entirely gets Client off the hook. Culprits could have bought the energy drink at Client's direction. Or Client could have come to know that the drink was spiked with energy drink and given it to her anyway. The case had IMO reasonable doubt beforehand but if the prosecutor didn't think so, I don't know that the revelation changes things much.

[johntfs]

16 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

This show is so frustrating because it can do so many things well and then just fall apart on so many other things. I wish I weren't obsessed with it.

Like others, I found Matty stoned was hilarious. even though it should have set off red flags to get stoned with Senior on company property. She should have taken the offered edible and eaten it at home to avoid the possibility of it hitting her in a way that might help her blow her cover, and also avoid the possibility that Senior was trying to hit on/hook up with her.

The non-denominational bunny bit was funny, but would Olympia really go out of the way to fuck with Senior and give Julian a break when she's angling for partner?

I look forward to getting to know Matty's sister, and discovering that there is an actual Cindy Shapiro.

I liked them dealing with Matty blaming herself. I don't like Edwin rationalizing "Well sooner or later Ellie was going to OD." No, absolutely not.

Billy, you are an idiot. With you recognizing that Simone is flirting with Kira just to fuck with Sarah, the thought has to cross your mind that she's fooling around with you just to fuck with Sarah. It also should concern you that she is as petty and nasty as she has revealed herself to be in general, let alone toward your friend. No sexytimes are worth that shiznit. Get thee to a nunnery!

The return of Alfie was...not great. The revelation that he was born addicted did nothing to endear me to him on his return. I didn't need a MWBSP, Alfie being enlisted in the conspiracy, the contrivance of Alfie leaving his wallet behind in Olympia's office (how was that supposed to happen? Why would he have taken his wallet out there?) although I enjoyed the payoff. 

A short summary of problems with the Case of the Week:

1. With the upcoming class action against the energy drink set to go to trial, one more piece of evidence should not make that big a difference that it is worth this massive side quest of taking on a new case in an area outside their expertise.

2. Since the energy drink caused the death of Sorority Girl, it doesn't matter so much what the intent was of the person who administered the drink. In fact, I would argue it's better for Olympia's case if the person who administered the drink did so intending to harm its recipient. 

3. If anything. Olympia should have recruited the family of dead Sorority Girl as a client.

4. With the suppression hearing it was cute and all, but presumably the evidence of the cup and its contents were only obtained after Sorority Girl had been injured. At which point police had every right to be on site to investigate a potential crime, and there would be no reason to exclude evidence. The clothes drop-off was cute but it doesn't work as a basis to justify the police presence on scene. The invitation allows people to be present only for certain reasons (dropping off clothes) and in certain places (wherever the clothes drop off area is) It wouldn't give people carte blanche to go through the Sorority house for whatever purpose, let alone law enforcement.

5. I'm not sure the actions/motivation of actual culprit make much sense. They have a grudge against Client Sorority Girl such that they are willing to risk the health of Dead Sorority Girl and frame her for pranking Dead Sorority Girl? They go out of their way to swipe Client  Sorority Girl's ID to buy the Max Rager energy drink to frame her? Are they thinking that someone is going to be checking where the energy drink came from? It's a college campus -- I'm sure you probably can't walk 2 blocks or go two dorm room floors without finding cans and cans of the stuff.

6. I don't know if the revelation that it was Culprits who bought the energy drink with Client's ID entirely gets Client off the hook. Culprits could have bought the energy drink at Client's direction. Or Client could have come to know that the drink was spiked with energy drink and given it to her anyway. The case had IMO reasonable doubt beforehand but if the prosecutor didn't think so, I don't know that the revelation changes things much.

Honestly, if you're watching this show like it's Law and Order, you're watching it wrong.  Matlock is basically an even goofier version of Boston Legal sadly without the eloquence of James Spader on his soapbox.

[Chicago Redshirt]

17 minutes ago, johntfs said:

Honestly, if you're watching this show like it's Law and Order, you're watching it wrong.  Matlock is basically an even goofier version of Boston Legal sadly without the eloquence of James Spader on his soapbox.

I don't expect any law show (or police show, or medical show etc.) to be a one-for-one replication of the field they are in. I expect there are going to be some standard departures from reality in order to make things more convenient or entertaining (such as a criminal trial going from arrest to acquittal in basically the space of less than a month when in reality, even the simplest case is likely to take a year).

That said, I do expect that characters and cases have some level of internal logic.

Maybe I'm looking at things through nostalgia-colored glasses, but the episodes I watched of Boston Legal, the court cases generally were inherently coherent for what they were. 

Matlock not so much. YMMV.

 

 

[nokat]

I watch this show for entertainment and because I like Kathy Bates.  I'm in no way a person you should talk to for legal advice.  I'll watch shows where the defendant is found guilty/not guilty within an hour. That take months and probably years. I find some kind of relief from the reality of the real justice system.  

[possibilities]

I kind of enjoyed Alfie acting like the world's worst, most sullen tween. 

[eel2178]

7 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

I don't like Edwin rationalizing "Well sooner or later Ellie was going to OD." 

Yet, they both still blame the manufacturer of whatever opioid she took. They are still completely exonerating her culpability in her own death.  

[Bastet]

13 hours ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

Has Julian not noticed that he's been missing his id card for a few days?  Did he simply get a new one, at which time his old one should have been deactivated?  Or did Maddy swap hers for his, in which case, if anyone checks their records, their locations will have also been swapped?  Does she have to slip Julian's card back into his pocket/swap back for hers?

When she took his, she replaced it with another; they show her doing the switch when she takes his coat.  How she (meaning, Alfie) managed to create a duplicate card that is working for Julian, they have completely ignored.

[Morrigan2575]

30 minutes ago, eel2178 said:

Yet, they both still blame the manufacturer of whatever opioid she took. They are still completely exonerating her culpability in her own death.  

I wish they'd admit they're blaming everyone else but Ellie because they feel guilty blaming her for her choices. 

[Bastet]

They're still trying to make MWBSP happen.  Stop it, Gretchen.

They used to at least come up with a reason - one that only works on TV, but a reason -  a trial was starting in just a few days, but didn't even bother with this one.  Olympia has already met Alfie (early on, when she brought Matty's "forgotten" dinner to the Queens apartment [they lured her there to spy cam her entering her phone's passcode]), but everyone acted like Family Day was the first time.  Julian did not meet him, but was looking for him even though he has no idea what he looks like; it's Family Day, it's not like he'll be easy to spot as the only kid in the firm.  And Matty told Edwin about the 3:00 shift change plan in the morning before she left for work, but she didn't learn about the shift change until later that day at work, when she talked to the security guard who'd helped her with her purse (it's shown as a flashback, but she's in the same outfit).  I was not as successful blocking out the nonsense with this one.

Kennedy (Kennedy O; I love that there were three) intended Zoey to drink the spiked drink and get sick, but was she there when Zoey handed it to Violet instead?  Intent transfers, but there's the added detail that everyone in the sorority knew about Violet's heart condition, which means Kennedy knew or reasonably should have known that if Violet drank it, she could get more than sick.  If she just let that happen, thinking, okay, this way I still get revenge on her because she'll get in trouble, that's a pretty big deal.  With Olympia saying it was an accident, and she shouldn't be charged, she should have said Kennedy wasn't there when Zoey gave her drink to Violet.

I wonder why the ADA has it in for Olympia, and how his hunt that he's being patient about is going to create problems in a future episode.  He bugged me.

Matty getting stoned with Senior was fun, at least.  As was Sarah's reaction to the sorority girls, and especially the kids (I love her and Billy yelling "No eggs in here!" in unison).  But as for Billy and Simone:

8 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

Billy, you are an idiot. With you recognizing that Simone is flirting with Kira just to fuck with Sarah, the thought has to cross your mind that she's fooling around with you just to fuck with Sarah. It also should concern you that she is as petty and nasty as she has revealed herself to be in general, let alone toward your friend. No sexytimes are worth that shiznit. Get thee to a nunnery!

This.  They disgust me.  Simone has never alleged Sarah did anything to her in law school; it's been played like she hates her just because Sarah was so good, and so obnoxious about being so good.  So this campaign of petty revenge is as pathetic as it is nasty, and Billy is a nice, attractive guy with a good job -- even on the rebound, he has plenty of better options, so choosing to go this route is also pathetic.

[ItCouldBeWorse]

1 hour ago, Bastet said:

When she took his, she replaced it with another; they show her doing the switch when she takes his coat.  How she (meaning, Alfie) managed to create a duplicate card that is working for Julian, they have completely ignored.

Yes, I thought I remembered seeing her swap cards, which I assume meant she swapped hers for his, and would this want hers back. I can't remember; do they have actual pictures or names on them? If so, how likely is it that Julian wouldn't have noticed the swap?

[Bastet]

19 minutes ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

Yes, I thought I remembered seeing her swap cards, which I assume meant she swapped hers for his,

Oh, I see what you're saying, that what she switched his with was her card, not a replacement Alfie had somehow created.  That would make much more sense, but, then, yeah, as you noted, it means she has to switch back now (especially if his card gives access to places hers doesn't).

19 minutes ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

I can't remember; do they have actual pictures or names on them?

No, at least not that we've seen.  When she is in the security office (where her info is already up on the guy's computer well before he scans her card, which bugs me), we see the side they scan is all black, and the other side just has the firm's name on it.  But it looks like some sort of pouch, so it's possible there's more inside.

Edited 10 hours ago by Bastet

[chitowngirl]

My work swipe card does not have my name, picture, or even company name on it!

[MissLucas]

Hmm, anyone like to join my at the shallow end of the pool? Because I'm looking forward to the next bear hunt *cough* just saying.

I stopped bothering about all the Leverage inspired shenanigans a while ago and just enjoy the ride. I loved Olympia hiding the bunny head and Julian immediately clocking it was her. Matty and Senior getting mildly stoned was also fun. Though I was confused about the timeline. I assumed that she had left with Alfie but apparently she sent him home on his own. And yeah, Alfie as sullen teenager was quite enjoyable. I'm also happy we got to meet Bitsy! I wonder how that will turn out.

Less enjoyable was seeing the 'Matlocks' return to their revenge scheming. I don't think that's the healthy way to deal with the emotions that were bubbling up last episode. And I'm also not impressed with Billy and Sara's subplots. Billy is getting played and Sara having to deal with a partner who wants an open relationship are both plots that don't seem to belong in this show. I like both characters and actors and wish they would get better writing.

 

 

[eel2178]

2 hours ago, Bastet said:

Julian did not meet him, but was looking for him even though he has no idea what he looks like; it's Family Day, it's not like he'll be easy to spot as the only kid in the firm. 

All the kids we saw were much younger than Alfie. It's also not so hard for him to join the search and just ask every sullen teenager he ran into, "Are you Alfie?"

[possibilities]

I've been worried about the swipe card switch every since it happened. At some point, Julian will realize he has Matty's card, right? Because the system tracks whose card is being used, so at some point someone is going to figure out the records are switched. This seems like a huge risk.

[nokat]

5 hours ago, eel2178 said:

Yet, they both still blame the manufacturer of whatever opioid she took. They are still completely exonerating her culpability in her own death.  

They were handing them out, over-prescribing them. It was easy to get addicted.  I had a prescription for hydrocodone, and took one pill a day just to do things, and suffered the rest of the time because I was so afraid of addiction.

[PokerDot]

4 hours ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

If so, how likely is it that Julian wouldn't have noticed the swap?

Many years ago, I worked on an Army base. Secret clearance. IDs with photos on them. I shared a workspace with someone else. One day while we were chatting she suddenly asked, "What the hell are you doing with my badge?" And then she checked her badge and, of course, she was wearing mine. We weren't sure how long we'd been wearing each other's badges, and we had to use them several times a day, including the base guard gate twice a day. Also, we were of different races. 

[Dowel Jones]

Army logic can be impenetrable at times.  Long ago, I used to run inmate fire crews for CalFire (not anything remotely like Fire Country, but that's another story).  When we had a large fire over in San Luis Obisbo area, the crews were set down at a nearby National Guard base for rest after a fireline shift.  The gate guards would wave the trucks full of inmates right on through but stop us in the support vehicles for ID checks.