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S02.E13: Missing While Grieving

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andromeda331

andromeda331

The case was a good one. When they mentioned the pastor had been fighting with his sister and blamed her for his wife's death. I knew Marie had asked Violet to help her die. I absolutely get why Marie and Violet did it and why the Pastor was so mad. I'd feel the same way losing any more time I could have had with my spouse/father etc. My brother's been named to pull the plug on our father if it happens. I can't because I know I can't do it. I do feel for Marie suffering and realizing it was time for her to go.

Can Sir be dead by the end of the season? I'm so tired of him.

Is Christian really dead? Or did Gabi lie.

"Jamie" had Jamie's toy? Who ever kidnapped Jamie had been in the house? That's scary. I hope Margaret's wrong about that. I'd rather it be a stranger. "Jamie" hasn't talked about what happene to him? About who took him?

I feel so bad for Margaret's daughters. They lose their brother and their mom. I understand why Margaret couldn't focus on anything but Jamie. She blamed herself for the kidnapping. But the flashbacks were hard to watch.

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luna1122again

luna1122again

I thought it was kind of a leap to assume that whoever had taken the toy train from the house was a family friend or acquaintance. With the ease that Sir comes and goes into everyone's houses, I'd have just assumed that the kidnapper got in for some reason, whether to find that toy or something else, not that I knew them. 

So Jamie is really Jamie? He got his mole lasered off at age 10? But he doesn't remember other fundamental things? I know Margaret wants to take it easy on him, but him not answering ANYthing about what happened to him is weird. 

I don't want Sir to die. They're going to have to figure out something else to do with him than just sit in a prison cell to keep this interesting, but MPG is one of the reasons I watch the show. 

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TiffanyNichelle

TiffanyNichelle

  On 2/21/2025 at 1:11 PM, luna1122again said:

So Jamie is really Jamie? He got his mole lasered off at age 10?

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I thought the way that was tossed out was so interesting. Who made him do that? He clearly didn't decide on his own to remove an identifying mark if it actually is him. If it's not him then it's a clever excuse for why it's not there. I went back and forth this episode but in the end, I don't think it's him. I think he was held with Jamie, whoever took Jamie knew to get that little train, and Jamie told this kid all about his life. This kid and Jamie is connected to the kids Trent's dad didn't look for because Sir brought it up again this week when I thought they would just drop it.

I think real Jamie is dead but I hope not because I think that would be too cruel to Margaret. His obsession with bringing up Gabi all the time is very weird.

  On 2/21/2025 at 1:11 PM, luna1122again said:

I don't want Sir to die. They're going to have to figure out something else to do with him than just sit in a prison cell to keep this interesting, but MPG is one of the reasons I watch the show. 

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I agree. I love the creepy dynamic it inserts in the show, it spices things up for me.

I'm disappointed Christian is dead and it was done so casually off screen. Sir had nothing to do with any of that. He was surprised to hear that Christian supposedly shot someone. His partner/sister/Trent's new gf has gone rogue and Sir is finding out he has no control.

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Peanut6711

Peanut6711

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  On 2/21/2025 at 1:11 PM, luna1122again said:

I don't want Sir to die. They're going to have to figure out something else to do with him than just sit in a prison cell to keep this interesting, but MPG is one of the reasons I watch the show. 

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Same here. Sir is too much a part of the foundation of the show, and MPG does a great job with him. I'm not sure I'd be as compelled to watch without him.  I want to see him return to help solving cases.  Which on that note, did anyone else get Silence of the Lambs vibes in that scene between him and Gabbi in jail when he tries to bargain for the book?  I sensed they were paying homage to it. spacer.png

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Mrsmaul2021

Mrsmaul2021

  On 2/21/2025 at 1:11 PM, luna1122again said:

 

I don't want Sir to die. They're going to have to figure out something else to do with him than just sit in a prison cell to keep this interesting, but MPG is one of the reasons I watch the show. 

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  On 2/21/2025 at 5:23 PM, TiffanyNichelle said:

 

I agree. I love the creepy dynamic it inserts in the show, it spices things up for me.

 

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  On 2/21/2025 at 6:58 PM, Peanut6711 said:

Same here. Sir is too much a part of the foundation of the show, and MPG does a great job with him. I'm not sure I'd be as compelled to watch without him.  I want to see him return to help solving cases.  Which on that note, did anyone else get Silence of the Lambs vibes in that scene between him and Gabbi in jail when he tries to bargain for the book?  I sensed they were paying homage to it. spacer.png

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I agree Sir is the best part of the show. I just feel that back and forth, cat and mouse between he and Gabi is boring now. It has become repetitive and redundant. I want him fleshed out more, I wanted to see more with he and his family but limiting him to Gabi won't do his character any justice. 

 

@Peanut6711 referenced Hannibal Lecture. Yes he and Clarice had a good dynamic but so did he and Will Graham(Red Dragon)

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luna1122again

luna1122again

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  On 2/21/2025 at 8:42 PM, Mrsmaul2021 said:

 

 

 

@Peanut6711 referenced Hannibal Lecture. Yes he and Clarice had a good dynamic but so did he and Will Graham(Red Dragon)

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Or my personal fave Hannibal and Will...(tho I never ever want Gabi and Sir to engage in this sort of dynamic)

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Peanut6711

Peanut6711

  On 2/21/2025 at 8:42 PM, Mrsmaul2021 said:

I agree Sir is the best part of the show. I just feel that back and forth, cat and mouse between he and Gabi is boring now. It has become repetitive and redundant. I want him fleshed out more, I wanted to see more with he and his family but limiting him to Gabi won't do his character any justice. 

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Yes, I wouldn't disagree he could certainly be fleshed out more.  I'd definitely like to see him interact with all the M&A team as well as get a better grip on his family.  I do think they spent a little too long on the old Gabbi and Lacey flashbacks this season. We didn't need as many as they included to get their dynamic. Would have rather had a few of him and Christian from years past.  I hope his jail stint is short-lived because while the Clarice/Hannibal exchange last night was fun, there's only so much to do with him behind bars. Since we've already had him on the run, a savvy bail release could provide much more material. 

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Rodney

Rodney

  On 2/21/2025 at 8:15 AM, possibilities said:

I somehow didn't realize until this episode that Margaret has two daughters. I only remembered the one.

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She mentioned in episode three of last season that she had three children -- Taylor, Rachel, and Jamie.

I'm more leaning toward this kid being Jamie because he was willing to have his DNA tested.  At the same time . . . I don't know.  Something about this doesn't feel right.

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KaveDweller

KaveDweller

  On 2/21/2025 at 6:12 AM, andromeda331 said:

Is Christian really dead? Or did Gabi lie.

"Jamie" had Jamie's toy? Who ever kidnapped Jamie had been in the house? That's scary. I hope Margaret's wrong about that. I'd rather it be a stranger. "Jamie" hasn't talked about what happene to him? About who took him?

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The general rule of TV is that with no body, the person is alive. Now here, we are told there was a body, but didn't see it. I am counting that is he's not dead. It is too weird that they kill him off offscreen, unless something happened with the actor.

The toy thing is weird. Did someone kidnap Jamie and then break into the house to get the toy because Jamie wouldn't shut up? That seems pretty risky for what seemed like a crime of opportunity. I think it is not Jamie. They had everyone suspicious to start, so I think the writers are trying to trick us. 

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luna1122again

luna1122again

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  On 2/22/2025 at 12:03 AM, Mrsmaul2021 said:

 

 

So they had feelings in the series? Will was the character that caught Hannibal in the Red Dragon novel/movie

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Yes, the tv show became full of homoerotic subtext, which was very beguiling, but not like the book or movies, for sure

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possibilities

possibilities

We don't know if he really had the mole removed, or if he just said that because it's a pretty easy lie to tell when you find out that people think you ought to have one. 

I think it's super weird that he doesn't want to see any of the other members of the family or talk about what happened. 

Also, his constant focus on Gabi rings all my alarm bells.

Whoever he is, the whole thing is weird.

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I am the opposite of everyone who's commented so far, in that I really don't like the creepy Sir dynamic and I feel like they need to get rid of him and focus more on the backstories of the other characters. Or, just do cases of the week. I'd be okay with the show being less creepy. I feel like Gabi continuing to go back to him is sickening. She didn't need to go to the prison to tell him about Christian or to say she's not going to be needing him any more. Just cut ties. As long as she stays enmeshed with him, she's not healing and she's feeding his pathology besides. It diminishes her that she can't solve cases without him, too. 

I also don't know if I believe what she said about Christian. Maybe it's true and maybe it isn't. But if she was just baiting him to see his reaction, that's creepy and unhealthy, also. STOP IT, GABI! 

And she doesn't need to go to jail to do penance. Just change, do better, and continue to do good in the world WITHOUT SIR.

And get therapy. Really, all of them need therapy.

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The case with the pastor talked about forgiveness and bitterness and what happens when you get stuck in your pain. Please, show, turn that insight onto the MNA crew + Trent, and stop having them going in cirlces and re-enacting their traumas on each other.

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Mrsmaul2021

Mrsmaul2021

  On 2/22/2025 at 3:55 AM, possibilities said:

 

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I am the opposite of everyone who's commented so far, in that I really don't like the creepy Sir dynamic and I feel like they need to get rid of him and focus more on the backstories of the other characters. Or, just do cases of the week. I'd be okay with the show being less creepy. I feel like Gabi continuing to go back to him is sickening. She didn't need to go to the prison to tell him about Christian or to say she's not going to be needing him any more. Just cut ties. As long as she stays enmeshed with him, she's not healing and she's feeding his pathology besides. It diminishes her that she can't solve cases without him, too. 

 

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This THIS. I think Sir is the best part of the show but the Gabi dynamic is played out. It's starting to feel contrived. I never understood why she needed him to solve cases in the first place.  I keep asking fans, how can they sustain this for seasons without people becoming turned off by it. 

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Trini

Trini

"DNA was 'inconclusive'" -- Of course. The only reason to draw this out is for TV drama purposes, and it's annoying. There's a story there, whether it's really Jamie or not, so I wish they'd just reveal who it is. Two episodes is enough time to be vague. I hope next episode we get a definite answer.

Either way, 'Jamie' is shady. How old is he supposed to be again?

Very weird that Christian is just dead offscreen suddenly, when we haven't seen him for a while. But seeing as how this is TV and we didn't see a body, I'm a bit skeptical. This whole accomplice subplot has been choppy.

Now that Sir is in jail, the dyanamic should be different from now on between him and Gabi. I expect Sir will keep trying to connect to Gabi, but I really hope it stays a one-way street. Gabi and the team don't need him.

 

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possibilities

possibilities

  On 2/22/2025 at 11:12 AM, marceline said:

Except look what happened with Dahn. He got therapy and ended up married to his therapist.

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Get good therapy! From an ethical therapist!

Actually, I'd be fine with the show not using therapy. But I want them to do SOMETHING to address the team's dysfunctions. They don't have to be perfect. But the abject wallowing and repetitiveness of some of the problems is getting me down.

I know it's realistic-- IRL, people often stay very stuck and repeat their mistakes. But it's draining to be around, and I want my tv to be better than that.

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The team should be relieved Hugh is in prison, but they need to remember he has an accomplice. Assuming it's Christian, whether or not he's dead, is a rookie mistake. PROOF, please.

 

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Tachi Rocinante

Tachi Rocinante

  On 2/21/2025 at 8:42 PM, Mrsmaul2021 said:

@Peanut6711 referenced Hannibal Lecture. Yes he and Clarice had a good dynamic but so did he and Will Graham(Red Dragon)

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My favorite exchange is between William Petersen and Brian Cox in Manhunter. For any of you who haven't seen this great movie, Cox was the first Lecter.  Red Dragon was a pale imitation, even with Hopkins.

I think "FakeJamie" is someone that was held with the real Jamie or the one who took him. If it really is him, they're handing it terribly.

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Mrsmaul2021

Mrsmaul2021

  On 2/24/2025 at 2:07 PM, Tachi Rocinante said:

My favorite exchange is between William Petersen and Brian Cox in Manhunter. For any of you who haven't seen this great movie, Cox was the first Lecter.  Red Dragon was a pale imitation, even with Hopkins.

I think "FakeJamie" is someone that was held with the real Jamie or the one who took him. If it really is him, they're handing it terribly.

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I watched Manhunter last year. haven't watched it in years but yes, both gave wonderful performances and Cox is an underrated Lecture 

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tennisgurl

tennisgurl

I just binged this entire show, and I truly am blanking on Margaret having two daughters. Have we seen them? Those flashbacks were really sad, Margaret was obviously going through something horrible but her girls basically lost their mom as well as their brother. I know it hasn't actually been that long since we met the alleged Jamie, but it feels like its already gone on too long, just say yes or no and start dealing with whatever actually happened. 

I guessed pretty quickly that the missing sister had just left on her own, but it was still a nice case of the week. 

Normally I would find a mastermind arc villain like Sir kind of annoying, but he really hasn't worn out his welcome from me. Maybe because they keep finding new things to do with him, maybe because the charm of Mark-Paul Gosselaar is undeniable. 

I overall dig this show, it has a good cast and I tend to enjoy the cases of the week and the issues the they bring up, but, like with many shows like this, it can get a little too soapy, especially when characters just refuse to react to things in ways that make sense. Its a pretty easy watch though, especially on a binge.

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Rodney

Rodney

  On 3/6/2025 at 9:22 PM, tennisgurl said:

I just binged this entire show, and I truly am blanking on Margaret having two daughters. Have we seen them?

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  On 3/6/2025 at 11:14 PM, Trini said:

You're not the only one.

But one of her daughters has shown up at least twice before. Once this season, and at least one time in Season 1.

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In season one, Margaret said that her daughters were named Taylor and Rachel.  Like @Trini said, Taylor showed up in season one and recently this season.  Rachel we have yet to meet.

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