The View: Week of 11/18/2024

[falltime]

Monday, Nov. 18 – Auli’i Cravalho (actor, “Moana 2”)

Tuesday, Nov. 19 – Keke Palmer (author, “Master of Me”); Francis Ford Coppola (director, “Megalopolis”)

Wednesday, Nov. 20 – Ronan Farrow (subject and producer, “SURVEILLED”)

Thursday, Nov. 21 – John Lithgow (actor, “Spellbound” and “Conclave”); Christian Siriano (author, “Christian Siriano: The New Red Carpet”)

Friday, Nov. 22 – The Political View with U.S. Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) (author, “The ABCs of Democracy”)

[Glitches]

“Moana 2” is currently in theaters. “Megalopolis” movie now playing on Amazon Prime. 
“SURVEILLED” is a documentary that debuts on HBO beginning Wednesday, November 20, 2024.  
“Spellbound” is an animated movie that premieres on Netflix on Friday, November 22, 2024. 
“Conclave” movie now playing in theaters. 

[Snapdragon]

5 hours ago, Glitches said:

“Moana 2” is currently in theaters. “Megalopolis” movie now playing on Amazon Prime. 
“SURVEILLED” is a documentary that debuts on HBO beginning Wednesday, November 20, 2024.  
“Spellbound” is an animated movie that premieres on Netflix on Friday, November 22, 2024. 
“Conclave” movie now playing in theaters. 

Moana 2 comes out on Nov. 27th.  

[KittyQ]

Sunny seems to think that people vote for a candidate due to only one thing: people who voted for Trump because they were a) racist, b) sexist, c) not college educated (aka dumb?) and not for other reasons or because they weren't convinced by Harris. Certainly, there are racist, sexist, dumb people in the country - I would say that most of us meet someone who is in one or more of those demographics every week, but we can't assume without asking why they voted the way they did. Maybe they had more nuanced reasons, or maybe they had even more superficial reasons for their votes. 

[Shrek]

Sunny has officially lost the plot, to her everything is down to race and nothing else, she doesn't even want to hear it, & her screaming at people who have a different point of view doesn't help anyone. Nobody said there were no racists or that some people didn't vote for Harris because she was black BUT that is not why she lost. The biggest problem has always been the socioeconomic aspect & that people wrongly believe Trump will make their lives better & like they were 4 years ago. He won't because he can't, nobody can make inflation vanish, but that's what a lot of people believe. Sunny may still be wishing she hadn't asked "that" question & lashing out at everyone makes her feel better 🤷‍♂️.

As for Alyssa, the paint she wore over her spots for the last few years is really starting to fade & she is proving almost every day that a leopard never changes its spots. We were almost at the SWSNBN levels of arguing & shouting at one stage when Sunny started shouting over her.

You know you're in trouble when Sarah & queen name dropper herself are the two voices of reason at the table.

What Bill Maher said that they showed was not far off the mark, but some took it more personally than others, looking at you again Sunny.

[Mollywolly555]

Sunnys's priority perspective is race on almost every issue.

She lives it everyday in a predominantly white world,  compounded by being a Black mother worrying about her son and daughter, o it's no wonder race holds the foremost place in her approach to news  events. 

That said, with all her education and legal experience I'm somewhat surprised that Sunny hasn't been able to state her position  about race WITHIN the context of other issues ... Like economics....more effectively. She tried this morning in responding to Alyssa's gleeful support of Mika and Joe, and that survey about voting stats of race and education levels,when she said Black people being lower economic status but still voting fur tRumpf.... but her voice and statement were kind of weak and she didn't push back much. Not much fire today, no sparks at all. 

I think the Harris loss is just starting  to sink in to her, so she's going the stages of grief. Anger for sure the last few weeks. 

I also wonder if Sunny was hoping for a White House position in the Harris administration so that dream is deferred. Grief again. And fear for the future, and her extended family, but especially her kids. I would feel the same.  

As a White mother I worry mostly about the future environment and economics and the preservation of constitutional law for my son, but  not his everyday safety, as  Sunny has to fur her children of color.

 

 

[After7Only]

1 hour ago, KittyQ said:

Sunny seems to think that people vote for a candidate due to only one thing: people who voted for Trump because they were a) racist, b) sexist, c) not college educated (aka dumb?) and not for other reasons or because they weren't convinced by Harris. Certainly, there are racist, sexist, dumb people in the country - I would say that most of us meet someone who is in one or more of those demographics every week, but we can't assume without asking why they voted the way they did. Maybe they had more nuanced reasons, or maybe they had even more superficial reasons for their votes. 

That's not what she said at all.  She acknowledged the other factors, but people want to minimize and ignore the role racism and sexism played in the election.  And that is frustrating.   People of color are affected by all of the economic factors cited at a disproportionate level.  But yet they voted for Harris.   It's more than just economy.   

1 hour ago, Shrek said:

Nobody said there were no racists or that some people didn't vote for Harris because she was black BUT that is not why she lost.

If some people didn't vote for her because of her race/sex...... how could it not be a factor on why she lost?.   If it was only 5% (or less in swing states) of the electorate that didn't vote for that reason.  That would be enough for her to lose.   

  

[Shrek]

22 minutes ago, After7Only said:

That's not what she said at all.  She acknowledged the other factors, but people want to minimize and ignore the role racism and sexism played in the election.  And that is frustrating.   People of color are affected by all of the economic factors cited at a disproportionate level.  But yet they voted for Harris.   It's more than just economy.   

If some people didn't vote for her because of her race/sex...... how could it not be a factor on why she lost?.   If it was only 5% (or less in swing states) of the electorate that didn't vote for that reason.  That would be enough for her to lose.   

  

So I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it but more voted for Harris than against Harris because of her race & gender. I saw a graphic over the weekend that around 90% of black women voted for her but only 65% of black men did so. Of course race played a part but the figures seem to say that the 35% of black men who didn't vote for her played more part than Sunny is willing to admit to. So, if 5% didn't vote for her because of her race but only 5% did then they cancel each other out (being generous). 

You may have missed my point in the same way Sunny would, she hardly acknowledged that there were lots of other factors involved & her race wasn't the main reason people didn't vote for her but Sunny & others want to use that as the main reason when it certainly isn't. The way that Sunny inserts race into everything as being the main issue just annoys me & others no doubt because she should know that isn't the main reason for most of the population & saying it about everything just diminishes the seriousness sometimes.

Again, let me say that race certainly is an issue but not the main issue in this case & Sunny going on about it every time she opens her mouth doesn't help anyone understand anything.

 

[After7Only]

1 hour ago, Shrek said:

So I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it but more voted for Harris than against Harris because of her race & gender. I saw a graphic over the weekend that around 90% of black women voted for her but only 65% of black men did so. Of course race played a part but the figures seem to say that the 35% of black men who didn't vote for her played more part than Sunny is willing to admit to. So, if 5% didn't vote for her because of her race but only 5% did then they cancel each other out (being generous).

No need to argue.  We can stick with facts.    74% of black men voted for Harris.  There was no stronger male demographic for Harris by far.   Black males make up maybe 5% of the electorate.  So that 26% of 5% could have been a factor as well.   But not enough to counteract that percentage of the electorate who didn't vote for her because of her race/gender.    

A lot of people unfortunately quit listening whenever race is mentioned as it makes them uncomfortable.   As Whoopi said today, my lived experience helps me hear things others might not.   But I'll stand by my statement, that Sunny has acknowledged other factors.  The economic factors have gotten plenty of air time on this show as it should.   But some of the other panelists want to downplay  the role race/gender plays where the numbers bear out it may be just as significant a factor as the economy.    As I've said before all factors could be true.   It is not a 0 sum game.  

 

Edited Monday at 10:42 PM by After7Only

[RealHousewife]

Pardon the language on this post, but I thought this tweet suited the topic and the discussion about what Bill Maher had to say. 

[Pearson80]

4 hours ago, Shrek said:

Sunny has officially lost the plot, to her everything is down to race and nothing else, she doesn't even want to hear it, & her screaming at people who have a different point of view doesn't help anyone. Nobody said there were no racists or that some people didn't vote for Harris because she was black BUT that is not why she lost. The biggest problem has always been the socioeconomic aspect & that people wrongly believe Trump will make their lives better & like they were 4 years ago. He won't because he can't, nobody can make inflation vanish, but that's what a lot of people believe. Sunny may still be wishing she hadn't asked "that" question & lashing out at everyone makes her feel better 🤷‍♂️.

 

I always find it funny how people who are not Black are constantly telling Black people what our perspective should be because the topic of racism makes them uncomfortable. Everything in this country goes back to race. People forget that Africans living their lives in Africa were targeted because of their skin color and were subjugated  displaced enslaved and colonized for centuries.  Black people are still targeted because of their skin color.

Being Black, I always avoid discussing race and racism with White women like Sara and White adjacent women like Alyssa because they don't understand what life is like being Black not just in the USA but all over the world.  They tend to dismiss or minimize racism because they cannot relate so I choose not to engage.  For example: when Alyssa was talking about people voting for Trump because of "economic anxiety" Sunny brought up the fact that Black people are also poor, but they voted for Kamala she dismissed it because our pain as Black people does not impact someone like Alyssa who will always align with whiteness because the default in this country is White. Only White people's problems and traumas matter.  

 

 

[Shrek]

The topic of race certainly doesn't make me feel uncomfortable & anytime it's the topic of discussion is fine by me, we can talk about it all day if you would like to make it the topic. 

Maybe not growing up in America doesn't help me because I had never realized how bad it had been & still can be here until I moved from the U.K. where it was never as racially charged as here. Not even in the days of the national front in the late 70s/early 80s was it as bad as it is even today in the USA.

And I doubt living in California helps me either. 

Edited Tuesday at 12:19 AM by Shrek

[debbie311]

I wonder who all these people are that Alyssa knows for fact are living hand to mouth and for that reason were willing to vote for a convicted felon, rapist, insurrection leader?  I mean, she makes it sound like OVERWHELMING numbers.  Once again as we get close to Thanksgiving and the holidays, news reports are letting us know that record travel is expected, airports will be jammed.  Shopping season is here! Black Friday sales!  Alyssa is toeing the Republican party line now.  It did not take long. 

Sara is so naive, still thinking that 45/47 is going to step up and do the right thing.  Honey, it is not going to happen.  We see it every day.  He told us what was coming.  And here it is.

[Breedom]

6 hours ago, Shrek said:

he biggest problem has always been the socioeconomic aspect & that people wrongly believe Trump will make their lives better & like they were 4 years ago. He won't because he can't, nobody can make inflation vanish, but that's what a lot of people believe.

Many of Trump's voters are tuned into FOX, etc. where they hear a barrage of falsehoods about the current administration. They believe that Biden is at fault for the price of milk and eggs, because that is what they are told. They are hurting financially, barely breaking even and never getting ahead. They are hoping Trump will come to their rescue and reverse everything. Truth is, Trump doesn't care about their issues.

Voting for Trump is only going to make things way worse. And yes, the price of groceries, gas, homes, etc. are not going to ever be substantially lower.

[Ellis Bell Lives]

3 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Pardon the language on this post, but I thought this tweet suited the topic and the discussion about what Bill Maher had to say. 

She didn't have to talk about these things because her recorded words from 2020 did it for her (or actually for the Rs.)  One of the most effective ads had Kamala expressing support for T prisoners who receive free surgeries via John and Joan taxpayer.  The ad said "Kamala stand for They/Them.  Trump stands for you.  

[Haleth]

Sara thinks Matt Gaetz will disappear if he isn’t confirmed. (Wishful thinking.). I wouldn’t be surprised if Ron DeSantis reappoints him to fill his own seat.

This myth of transgender women in sports is the biggest, most offensive crock of shit the Rs came up with. (Not to mention the conspiracy theory that transgender procedures are being performed in schools.)

Edited Tuesday at 04:26 PM by Haleth

[bluegirl147]

I have not watched in two weeks. Don't know if I will start again.  And my reasons why are I don't need to listen to Alyssa revert to form and I don't need to listen to Sara

15 hours ago, debbie311 said:

Sara is so naive, still thinking that 45/47 is going to step up and do the right thing.  Honey, it is not going to happen.  We see it every day.  He told us what was coming.  And here it is.

 

[Shrek]

1 hour ago, Haleth said:

Sara thinks Matt Gaetz will disappear if he isn’t confirmed. (Wishful thinking.). I wouldn’t be surprised if Ron DeSantis reappoints him to fill his own seat.

This myth of transgender women in sports is the biggest, most offensive crock of shit the Rs came up with. (Not to mention the conspiracy theory that transgender procedures are being performed in schools.)

Matt Gaetz will not disappear for the simple reason (apparently) that he only resigned from this session of the house(?) & was re-elected by his constituents for next term in the elections that just took place so he can just take his seat in January if he is not confirmed. But he will be confirmed because the Rs saying he isn't fit to serve will fall into line as soon as there's a vote that has their name attached to it for the simple reason that they're all scared of the orange felon.

Nothing to add to your second part as you summed it up quite nicely. 

[lookeyloo]

Matt Gaetz will not disappear for the simple reason (apparently) that he only resigned from this session of the house(?) & was re-elected by his constituents for next term in the elections that just took place so he can just take his seat in January if he is not confirmed. But he will be confirmed because the Rs saying he isn't fit to serve will fall into line as soon as there's a vote that has their name attached to it for the simple reason that they're all scared of the orange felon.

Agree - I am trying to stay away from the news, but it does come up, as in The View.  Other pundits have done their punditing and I am convinced that all the appointments will go through, whether on recess appointment or not, and that we should get ready for the rest of it. It will happen.  How in world can anyone prepare for this besides hoarding food?  I wish Sara would ask Alyssa that.

[Dimity]

18 hours ago, Breedom said:

Voting for Trump is only going to make things way worse. And yes, the price of groceries, gas, homes, etc. are not going to ever be substantially lower.

 

[KittyQ]

19 hours ago, Pearson80 said:

For example: when Alyssa was talking about people voting for Trump because of "economic anxiety" Sunny brought up the fact that Black people are also poor, but they voted for Kamala she dismissed it because our pain as Black people does not impact someone like Alyssa who will always align with whiteness because the default in this country is White. Only White people's problems and traumas matter.  

I think that the problem is that everyone is expecting to find the singular reason that people voted for Trump and/or against Harris. Some people feel or are insecure economically and their response was to vote for Trump, while other people also feel or are insecure economically, and their response was to vote for Harris, because they met some standard about improving the economy. So, while Sunny's point about poor black people can be true, so can Alyssa's point about poor non-black (not everyone who isn't black is white) people can also be true. That's where other factors probably came in. Maybe some sexism, racism, agism, disappointment, fear, disillusionment (with one or both parties), concern about security (jobs, infrastructure, ideology, etc.), loyalty to other candidates (don't forget those people who got only slivers of the vote), dislike of the candidates' personalities, peer pressure, etc. 

I think that the purpose of examining why voters voted the way they did should be to learn what are the main concerns that influenced the votes. For the winning party, that can be used as a roadmap for the next 4 years, addressing these concerns so they can serve the citizens of the country. For the losing party, they should be used to identify the disconnect between their platform and the voters so they can adapt to the real-world needs of the country. It is an opportunity for both parties to see where they are succeeding and where they are falling short so they can make changes.

 

[Glorious]

3 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

Sara is so naive, still thinking that 45/47 is going to step up and do the right thing.  Honey, it is not going to happen.  We see it every day.  He told us what was coming.  And here it is.

Exactly Sara is so naive!  Alyssa talks nonsense!

[After7Only]

17 hours ago, Ellis Bell Lives said:

She didn't have to talk about these things because her recorded words from 2020 did it for her (or actually for the Rs.)  One of the most effective ads had Kamala expressing support for T prisoners who receive free surgeries via John and Joan taxpayer.  The ad said "Kamala stand for They/Them.  Trump stands for you.  

Allysa weirdly referenced this commercial in the discussion on Nancy Mace/Sarah McBride.   Sunny was saying Nancy's stunt was an example of "othering" of Americans and how trans people represent less than 1% of the country.  And Alyssa's response was it came from "Harris' on words and so it wasn't mispresented"?   Alyssa of all people should know that political ads are purposely edited to be misleading....

Alyssa adding the "it came from Harris' own words' as a defense, sure sounds like she was OK with the us/them messaging of that commercial.....I'm  starting to see what some of yall are saying about the old Alyssa coming back.....

Edited Tuesday at 09:35 PM by After7Only

[HerkyJerky]

5 hours ago, Haleth said:

This myth of transgender women in sports is the biggest, most offensive crock of shit the Rs came up with. (Not to mention the conspiracy theory that transgender procedures are being performed in schools.)

Haleth, I totally agree with you. Just playing devils advocate, let’s say you’re totally upset about transgender people in sports that as Whoopi pointed out, it’s only around 100. There are 335 million people in the United States. Why are the Republicans so consumed with such an infinitesimal segment of the population? 

[Haleth]

Because it’s easy to bully vulnerable people and use them to scare and divide us. 😢

[Ellis Bell Lives]

57 minutes ago, After7Only said:

Allysa weirdly referenced this commercial in the discussion on Nancy Mace/Sarah McBride.   Sunny was saying Nancy's stunt was an example of "othering" of Americans and how trans people represent less than 1% of the country.  And Alyssa's response was it came from "Harris' on words and so it wasn't mispresented"?   Alyssa of all people should know that political ads are purposely edited to be misleading....

Alyssa adding the "it came from Harris' own words' as a defense, sure sounds like she was OK with the us/them messaging of that commercial.....I'm  starting to see what some of yall are saying about the old Alyssa coming back.....

The audio wasn't edited or manipulated.  Though the kicker is gender-affirming surgery for prisoners was provided during the Trump administration.  

As for Alyssa she's a Republican so why does it continue to shock viewers when she says Republican things, lol?  Her goal for the election season was to drive home the fact Trump is not fit for office.  She did her best to make viewers aware of what he was really like.  Now the election is over.

There are many NeverTrumpers who consider themselves part of the GOP not the MAGA party.  Like Alyssa and Ana they still hold conservative values but for the 2024 election they either voted for Kamala, did or did not vote down ballot or stayed home.

[HerkyJerky]

7 hours ago, Haleth said:

Not to mention the conspiracy theory that transgender procedures are being performed in schools.)

Megan Kelly was on real talk with Bill Maher a couple weeks ago before the election and she actually said that transgender issues are the number one issue for her in the election. That is just mind-boggling!😢

[Mollywolly555]

12 hours ago, HerkyJerky said:

Megan Kelly was on real talk with Bill Maher a couple weeks ago before the election and she actually said that transgender issues are the number one issue for her in the election. That is just mind-boggling!😢

In these days of info saturation, fake news, lies, as well as political ridiculousness that reflects "truth is stranger than fiction", I have to wonder if Megan Kelly is just looking for media attention. 

But then I remember that  my uber-religious cousin believes it also. 

Mind boggling for sure. 

 

[bluegirl147]

13 hours ago, HerkyJerky said:

Megan Kelly was on real talk with Bill Maher a couple weeks ago before the election and she actually said that transgender issues are the number one issue for her in the election. That is just mind-boggling!😢

People like her (and a huge swath of the Republican party) always choose issues that cause bitter differences with Democrats.  It inflames Republican's fear and anger. Megan Kelly knows saying they want smaller government and want to cut SS and Medicaid/Medicare would be unpopular even with their base so they use issues like abortion and transgender issues (and before that same sex marriage).  Is transgender issues really Megan's number one issue?  I doubt it.  For her it's probably tax cuts.  But if she says that she will be booed. So she chooses something that her audience will cheer.

[bluegirl147]

14 hours ago, Ellis Bell Lives said:

As for Alyssa she's a Republican so why does it continue to shock viewers when she says Republican things, lol?  Her goal for the election season was to drive home the fact Trump is not fit for office.  She did her best to make viewers aware of what he was really like.  Now the election is over.

I found myself actually liking her but I could sense she was most likely another Meghan McCain.  She hated Trump for personal reasons but didn't really have a problem with things he wanted to do.  Alyssa knows if enacted Project 2025 will  hurt our country and most of it's citizens but as she has said before she is a conservative Republican and they usually don't care if people get hurt if it means they are getting what they want.

16 hours ago, After7Only said:

..I'm  starting to see what some of yall are saying about the old Alyssa coming back.....

She says she resigned because he wouldn't concede he lost the 2020 election right?  So she didn't have much of a problem with things he did up to that point? And would have continued to support him if he had admitted he lost?  She has never talked about that.

[atomic]

2 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

I found myself actually liking her but I could sense she was most likely another Meghan McCain.  She hated Trump for personal reasons but didn't really have a problem with things he wanted to do.  Alyssa knows if enacted Project 2025 will  hurt our country and most of it's citizens but as she has said before she is a conservative Republican and they usually don't care if people get hurt if it means they are getting what they want.

She says she resigned because he wouldn't concede he lost the 2020 election right?  So she didn't have much of a problem with things he did up to that point? And would have continued to support him if he had admitted he lost?  She has never talked about that.

Alyssa was spreading election fraud lies on CNN even after she resigned from her job with the Trump administration. I heard she was up for jobs with both The View and Fox News at the same time, and probably would have kept being a MAGA mouthpiece if she went to Fox, imo.

I'll admit I found myself enjoying her on The View at times too. But listening to her on the Behind the Table podcast yesterday, she's truly entered full-on Trump apologist mode. She was saying things like it's a misconception that Trump can't be swayed by those around him to do what is right and good for the American people and that he's also someone who cares about his legacy as president. Give me a break. None of this is in alignment with what we've seen from him when he was president and what we're currently seeing with these batshit crazy cabinet picks.

I'm still holding on to watching the show for Joy and Sunny, but that will definitely be the last solo Alyssa podcast for me.
 

Edited Yest. at 03:49 PM by atomic

[GHScorpiosRule]

21 minutes ago, atomic said:

But listening to her on the Behind the Table podcast yesterday, she's truly entered full-on Trump apologist mode. She was saying things like it's a misconception that Trump can't be swayed by those around him to do what is right and good for the American people and that he's also someone who cares about his legacy as president. Give me a break. None of this is in alignment with what we've seen from him when he was president and what we're currently seeing with these batshit crazy cabinet picks.

[Ellis Bell Lives]

1 hour ago, atomic said:

Alyssa was spreading election fraud lies on CNN even after she resigned from her job with the Trump administration. I heard she was up for jobs with both The View and Fox News at the same time, and probably would have kept being a MAGA mouthpiece if she went to Fox, imo.

I'll admit I found myself enjoying her on The View at times too. But listening to her on the Behind the Table podcast yesterday, she's truly entered full-on Trump apologist mode. She was saying things like it's a misconception that Trump can't be swayed by those around him to do what is right and good for the American people and that he's also someone who cares about his legacy as president. Give me a break. None of this is in alignment with what we've seen from him when he was president and what we're currently seeing with these batshit crazy cabinet picks.

I'm still holding on to watching the show for Joy and Sunny, but that will definitely be the last solo Alyssa podcast for me.
 

"I heard she was up for jobs with both The View and Fox News at the same time, and probably would have kept being a MAGA mouthpiece if she went to Fox, imo."

I think people fail to realize these talking political heads are just that.  What they say on the air does not necessarily reflect their political beliefs.  They go where the money takes them and they say what best reflects their network's stance.

 

 

[bluegirl147]

1 hour ago, atomic said:

She was saying things like it's a misconception that Trump can't be swayed by those around him to do what is right and good for the American people

He doesn't surround himself with people who want to do good.

1 hour ago, atomic said:

he's also someone who cares about his legacy as president.

He is a malignant narcissist.  The only legacy he cares about is the one in his own warped mind.  If anyone criticizes him he simply believes they are lying and being a hater.

1 hour ago, atomic said:

I'm still holding on to watching the show for Joy

Sadly she isn't enough to keep me around.

 

[Haleth]

Today I was firmly on Sunny’s side in wanting to smack Alyssa. I wish liberals would call vouchers what it is - defunding public education. It was unnecessarily snarky for Alyssa to point out that Sunny went to parochial school. Difference is that taxpayers weren’t paying for her education. We can all agree that everyone deserves the best school and education, but taking funds from students in poor districts isn’t going to solve the problems. 

[bluegirl147]

8 minutes ago, Haleth said:

Today I was firmly on Sunny’s side in wanting to smack Alyssa. I wish liberals would call vouchers what it is - defunding public education. It was unnecessarily snarky for Alyssa to point out that Sunny went to parochial school. Difference is that taxpayers weren’t paying for her education. We can all agree that everyone deserves the best school and education, but taking funds from students in poor districts isn’t going to solve the problems. 

What also isn't mentioned is those vouchers won't cover the entire cost of tuition for these schools.  Parents would have to pay the difference.   This is just another way to segregate kids.  The haves and the have nots. And what happens to the have nots?  They most likely grow up to do low paying jobs.  Trump and the Republican party are hellbent on keeping cheap labor available. If isn't going to be immigrants then it will be people who's parents couldn't afford to send them to a school that wasn't being defunded.

[Sue in her 60s]

56 minutes ago, Haleth said:

We can all agree that everyone deserves the best school and education, but taking funds from students in poor districts isn’t going to solve the problems. 

Sunny was interrupted more than once, but the one of the points she started to make and was cut off is that the tax-payer funded vouchers that supposedly help families afford private schools pay for only part of the tuition, and many poor families can't make up the difference. So the beneficiaries of school vouchers are not the poor, but middle-income and wealthy families.

[Edit: I didn't see BlueGirl's comment before I added mine. She added a bit more context!]

Edited 23 hours ago by Sue in her 60s
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[AbqNana]

I wish Whoppi would allow panelists with differing opinions to have a back and forth conversation.   I thought that's what this show is about. 

[KittyQ]

School funding is a very contentious issue. I did a quick search and it seems that in some states, public schools get the majority of their funding from the state they are in, while in other states, a big portion of the funds come from local revenues, like property taxes. If you are unlucky enough to be in one of those states and you are in a town or city with low revenues, then your schools may be underfunded and have poorer outcomes. I wonder why states don't divide up the revenues and share them with all schools, so each school district gets the same amount. I suppose that if that happened, then some communities would decide to come up with extra money to fund extra things they want, throwing the balance off again. It is a hard problem to solve.

As far as kids who get vouchers to go to private schools and then don't do well - I think this is because they don't have the foundation needed to keep up with courses that are probably more advanced than they are used to. I understand why parents want to give their kids this kind of education, but without the necessary basics, they can fail and that would also be detrimental to them.                                                                              

[Shrek]

In my opinion the vouchers should either cover the full cost or nothing at all otherwise they're pointless. I have grandkids who have gone to excellent schools & not so excellent schools depending on where they have lived, but the not so great schools are not necessarily in the poorer areas but the more expensive places to live which tells me that teachers don't earn anywhere near enough to live & work in those places. That's all I've because I don't know enough about the whole school system to know what I don't know.

[debbie311]

Alyssa is bugging the H out of me daily.  I can't wait until tomorrow when the discussion brings up the news today that the proposed Secretary of Education is a defendant in a sexual abuse lawsuit regarding WWE.  A fight announcer was accused of sexually abusing minor children, boys who were working as "ring boys" during fights.  She and her husband turned a blind eye, or so the accusation goes.  Apparently being a sexual deviant is a common thread among trump's cabinet picks.  Takes one to know one, I guess.  Alyssa has turned true MAGA and it will be hard for her to disguise it as times goes on.  I do not know how Sunny can stand to sit next to her.

[KittyQ]

Ronan Farrow looks more like his mother than ever, I think. 

[Natalie68]

On 11/18/2024 at 5:18 PM, Breedom said:

Many of Trump's voters are tuned into FOX, etc. where they hear a barrage of falsehoods about the current administration. They believe that Biden is at fault for the price of milk and eggs, because that is what they are told. They are hurting financially, barely breaking even and never getting ahead. They are hoping Trump will come to their rescue and reverse everything. Truth is, Trump doesn't care about their issues.

Voting for Trump is only going to make things way worse. And yes, the price of groceries, gas, homes, etc. are not going to ever be substantially lower.

I expect all goods to rise exponentially. 

23 hours ago, Glorious said:

Exactly Sara is so naive!  Alyssa talks nonsense!

I don't know if I would use the word naive.  Willfully ignorant maybe. I don't like her at all.

[Natalie68]

3 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

He doesn't surround himself with people who want to do good.

He is a malignant narcissist.  The only legacy he cares about is the one in his own warped mind.  If anyone criticizes him he simply believes they are lying and being a hater.

Sadly she isn't enough to keep me around.

 

I would say he and his people are downright threatening. 

[debbie311]

I also wish the Whoopi would not interrupt with her let's wait and see/eat popcorn line. I just see the atmosphere on The View becoming more contentious as time goes on.  Unlike Whoopi and Sara, we are just seeing a glimpse of what is coming and I for one am not expecting rainbows and ponies after January 20.

Whoopi following Ronan's segment - take a deep breath and maybe make a phone call!  Who is she trying to kid?  Who would you call and if you did, you are going to get automated voicemail.  Good luck with that.

[Haleth]

1 hour ago, debbie311 said:

Whoopi following Ronan's segment - take a deep breath and maybe make a phone call!  Who is she trying to kid?  Who would you call and if you did, you are going to get automated voicemail.  Good luck with that.

And if you live in a ruby red state like I do, it’s a waste of time. My Representative is one of the worst and only cares about what trump thinks. 

[atomic]

Alyssa is truly ignorant on the school vouchers issue and was getting so irritated when Sunny was listing facts about how problematic they are. My slimy governor Greg Abbott has been pushing hard to pass a universal school choice bill in Texas and sadly it is now likely to go through since he successfully targeted and flipped enough seats in the Texas legislature who were standing in his way. Those seats he flipped were largely representatives in rural districts that usually do not have private school alternatives and the public school system is essentially the lifeblood of the community, but of course all Abbott really cares about is lining the pockets of his rich donor friends who will benefit from the subsidy while everyone else gets left behind. I find him to be despicable, along with any other Republican who's working to undermine, defund and damage our public school systems in this way.

Edited 19 hours ago by atomic

[Soapy Goddess]

Sunny pissed me off more than usual today.  

Sunny, why is it okay for you to continually interrupt Alyssa, but when Alyssa tries to interject during your diatribe, she gets the squinty side-eye and a curt 'let me finish'??

[bluegirl147]

14 hours ago, atomic said:

Alyssa is truly ignorant on the school vouchers issue

Or she knows the truth and wants to push misinformation lies.

17 hours ago, debbie311 said:

 Alyssa has turned true MAGA and it will be hard for her to disguise it as times goes on

Turned?  She worked in the Trump administration.  Before that she worked for Mark Meadows and Jim Jordan.  Before that she worked on Laura Ingraham's show.  She has always been MAGA. She just didn't want people to know it.

So many people that worked under Trump that regained their sanity wrote books denouncing him. Alyssa has not.  That makes me think she always wanted to be able to slide back into Republican politics.

Edited 5 hours ago by bluegirl147

[sugarbaker design]

6 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Turned?  She worked in the Trump administration.  Before that she worked for Mark Meadows and Jim Jordan.  Before that she worked on Laura Ingraham's show.  She has always been MAGA. She just didn't want people to know it.

Thank you.  Alyssa hasn't changed at all, she's just changed her methods.  She was more than cool with Trump during his entire presidency up until January 6th.  She's just like Megan McCain except MM had no poker face, Alyssa is all stealth.  She has this mask of pop culture coolness, she likes all the right shows, the right music.  She has a great smile and pleasant talking style, but she's a hardcore right-to-lifer, a staunch conservative.  But every once in a while the mask will slip and she'll pop off on some fictitious right wing conspiracy theory like so-called nine month abortions.  I normally don't like Sunny's condescending attitude, but when it's directed to Alyssa, not only do I like it, I heartily encourage it.