Chit-Chat: The Feels

[peacheslatour]

16 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Good point.  I think most of us are aware of the Rockefeller name and not because a Rockefeller was a VP.

And with regard to VPs in general I'd be hardpressed to name most VPs unless there was something particularly noteworthy about them.  Like a VP becoming president due to the death of the president (Truman and LBJ) or due a president resigning in shame (Ford) or because they are a truly horrible person who should be in the dictionary next to "despicable" (Vance).

 

2 minutes ago, MostlyContent said:

That's not quite fair to Hayes!  lol!  As a strict abolitionist, he tried many times to get the Democrats to fall in line after the war.  He didn't get too far, as the Dems who were willing to go to war in order to preserve their right to own people were still a bit miffed, I guess.  I don't like to use Wiki as a 'source', but I don't have much time right now and it's enough to encourage other searches if one would be interested.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherford_B._Hayes

Oh!  Jim Crow.....also a Democrat thing.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

Ever heard of Lee Atwater or the Dixiecrats?

[MostlyContent]

3 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Ever heard of Lee Atwater or the Dixiecrats?

Oh yes!  Believe me, I'm not saying that Republicans do not have to own their own mistakes ('mistakes' = dumbasses) down through our limited history!  

Peach, do I remember correctly that your husband owns a model train shop?  I'm just asking because I have a pre-war Lionel train set that my father got for Christmas as a small child.  The cars/tracks/some other stuff are in excellent condition, but the controller needs to be rewired, I'm sure.  I would consider sending that to one of my grands who lives near you (Whidbey) if he had access to someone who knew what they were doing, as your husband does.  

Have to run to get ready for a game.  

[bluegirl147]

13 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

 

Ever heard of Lee Atwater or the Dixiecrats?

He died of a very aggressive brain cancer. Sometimes we get to see karma visit someone.

In case anyone doesn't know Atwater was one of the architects of the southern strategy.  

[peacheslatour]

3 minutes ago, MostlyContent said:

Oh yes!  Believe me, I'm not saying that Republicans do not have to own their own mistakes ('mistakes' = dumbasses) down through our limited history!  

Peach, do I remember correctly that your husband owns a model train shop?  I'm just asking because I have a pre-war Lionel train set that my father got for Christmas as a small child.  The cars/tracks/some other stuff are in excellent condition, but the controller needs to be rewired, I'm sure.  I would consider sending that to one of my grands who lives near you (Whidbey) if he had access to someone who knew what they were doing, as your husband does.  

Have to run to get ready for a game.  

He doesn't own it but he is the manager. Eastside Trains has one of the only Lionel repair departments in the world. Have them bring it in! I'll make sure they expedite the repair.

[Makai]

44 minutes ago, MostlyContent said:

Oh!  Jim Crow.....also a Democrat thing.

Yep. Party switching isn’t just for Trump. 

[Annber03]

1 hour ago, kittykat said:

Absolutely.  I'm so sick of the "but if we abandon the EC only CA and NY will control policy."

Frankly, speaking as an Iowan whose state has been stupid enough to go for Trump not once, not twice, but three times now, I'd honestly be okay with this. 

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

I certainly knew who he was (didn't know the circumstances of his death though - reminds me of The Bird Cage) but the idea that anyone on "the left" is talking about Rockefeller Republicans is a new one on me.  I'd hazard to say anyone under, say 40, would have to look him up.  Maybe not.

Yeah, I'm 40 and I know who Rockefeller is...but only in terms of hearing his name mentioned in a historical context.

And that's about it. I honestly can't think of anyone on the left that I know, including those like my mom, going on about and praising him. There may well be people like that out there, but yeah, I don't think they constitute any sort of majority where the left is concerned. 

[Bliss]

Just having a proud moment, watching our former PM, Jean Chretien, speak at the Liberal convention. At the age of 91, he puts tRump to shame with his decorum and intelligence.

His suggestion to Donald? (from one old man to another old man) "Stop this nonsense."

He also jokingly suggested that due to our uprising of Canadian pride - due in part to tRump's 'nonsense' - that perhaps we should offer him the Order of Canada. LOL

Elbows Up! Canada Strong!

[Annber03]

I continue to love how Canada tells Trump and his cronies to fuck off in the most polite way possible :p. 

[peacheslatour]

8 minutes ago, Bliss said:

Just having a proud moment, watching our former PM, Jean Chretien, speak at the Liberal convention. At the age of 91, he puts tRump to shame with his decorum and intelligence.

His suggestion to Donald? (from one old man to another old man) "Stop this nonsense."

He also jokingly suggested that due to our uprising of Canadian pride - due in part to tRump's 'nonsense' - that perhaps we should offer him the Order of Canada. LOL

Elbows Up! Canada Strong!

That reminds me of this moment 

[Bliss]

7 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

I continue to love how Canada tells Trump and his cronies to fuck off in the most polite way possible :p. 

LOL! As Mike Myers would put it to the orange felon, "fuck off, eh?!"

We're sicking Mark Carney on him now... I'm hoping Mark won't be as polite as tradition dictates.

[Dimity]

16 minutes ago, Bliss said:

Just having a proud moment, watching our former PM, Jean Chretien, speak at the Liberal convention. At the age of 91, he puts tRump to shame with his decorum and intelligence.

His suggestion to Donald? (from one old man to another old man) "Stop this nonsense."

He also jokingly suggested that due to our uprising of Canadian pride - due in part to tRump's 'nonsense' - that perhaps we should offer him the Order of Canada. LOL

Elbows Up! Canada Strong!

All the speeches were great, and I am really glad Carney won but the highlight was definitely Chretien.  No one messes with the little guy from Shawinigan!

And even with a heavy accent, made heavier I think due to his age, he still made anything Trump has ever said sound like the words of a badly educated 11 yr old.

[Bliss]

4 minutes ago, Dimity said:

All the speeches were great, and I am really glad Carney won but the highlight was definitely Chretien.  No one messes with the little guy from Shawinigan!

And even with a heavy accent, made heavier I think due to his age, he still made anything Trump has ever said sound like the words of a badly educated 11 yr old.

I loved the speeches made by the DAUGHTERS of both Trudeau and Carney! We have some powerful young Canadian women!

[Annber03]

12 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

That reminds me of this moment 

LOL, that reminds me of a comment from Colbert after the 2020 election, when commenting on Biden winning the state of Massachusetts: "He won over Bostonians by telling a New Yorker to shut up." :p. 

[tearknee]

I was meaning that in general progressives want the return of the old-style pre-1980 Republicans.

[partofme]

30 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Trump said. "And what happened is they rigged the election and I became President, so that was a good thing."

This is at least the second time Trunp’s implied he cheated.  

[peacheslatour]

Hey Canadians, congrats on electing Carney! With him there is a very clear choice on which party leader is best equipped to lead Canada in a trade war, the dude has a PhD in economics from Oxford and ran both the Bank of Canada and Bank of England, he’s wildly overqualified considering his opponent in the trade war is a fucking moron

[Makai]

America to the world right now:

[MostlyContent]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

He doesn't own it but he is the manager. Eastside Trains has one of the only Lionel repair departments in the world. Have them bring it in! I'll make sure they expedite the repair.

Omg, you rock!!!   I've honestly been worried about this for *years*.  If it's okay, I'll message you when I can travel to 'home state' and pick it up.  This is so exciting.   💗

[PRgal]

3 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

Economically conservative and socially liberal.

@Dimity this is how I’d likely describe myself…or use whatever the Canadian equivalent is.  I’m surprised you’re familiar with the term.  
 

ETA:  Canada’s Liberal Party has a new leader 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/liberal-leadership/article/mark-carney-elected-liberal-leader-to-soon-replace-justin-trudeau-as-pm/

Edited 5 hours ago by PRgal

[bluegirl147]

46 minutes ago, partofme said:

This is at least the second time Trunp’s implied he cheated.  

And the media is ignoring it.  

[Annber03]

20 minutes ago, Makai said:

America to the world right now:

Woo, "Ghosts" gif!

[Dimity]

1 hour ago, Bliss said:

I loved the speeches made by the DAUGHTERS of both Trudeau and Carney! We have some powerful young Canadian women!

I didn't hear Carney's daughter as my own daughter came by but I did hear Trudeau's.  We all watched her and her brothers grow up and she is doing us and her parents proud.

[partofme]

27 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

And the media is ignoring it.  

Because despite what Republicans say there is no such thing as a liberal media. The media is all owned by billionaires who all benefit from Trump so they white wash and ignore everything he does.  

[kittykat]

I wish we weren't the cautionary tale but I applaud Canada for not following suit in the elections and going liberal.  Between them, Labour taking control in England and France continually holding off populism, here's hoping more countries tend off Authoritarian pushes.

[Dimity]

5 minutes ago, kittykat said:

I wish we weren't the cautionary tale but I applaud Canada for not following suit in the elections and going liberal.  Between them, Labour taking control in England and France continually holding off populism, here's hoping more countries tend off Authoritarian pushes.

Unfortunately this isn't a federal election. The liberal party was choosing a new leader. But at least in part thanks to Trump the libs stand a very good chance of staying in power in the next election.

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, Dimity said:

Unfortunately this isn't a federal election. The liberal party was choosing a new leader. But at least in part thanks to Trump the libs stand a very good chance of staying in power in the next election.

I think so. The Western world is reeling from the nightmare that Trump has unleashed on the world. I sincerely pray we are a cautionary tale and the citizens of every Western country repulse this kind of horror with strength and passion in their countries. I don't mean to exclude the East but I have no real reading on how they feel about him.

[PRgal]

And Mark Carney also DOES NOT have a seat in the House of Commons.  What happens then?  Read here.

[bluegirl147]

Trump and MAGA was the unfortunate result of our multi year decline. It just so happened to coincide with the widening of the income gap along with racial resentments being stoked because of President Obama’s two terms.  The Republican party and Trump exploited both.  Other counties have stronger safety nets so that helps them from becoming mired in what our media loves to call economic anxiety. 

[Ohiopirate02]

55 minutes ago, partofme said:

Because despite what Republicans say there is no such thing as a liberal media. The media is all owned by billionaires who all benefit from Trump so they white wash and ignore everything he does.  

And the journalists who work for the major news outlets care more about their potential book deals than reporting on a story that will anger their bosses and Trump. 

[peacheslatour]

5 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

And the journalists who work for the major news outlets care more about their potential book deals than reporting on a story that will anger their bosses and Trump. 

So did all the sycophants in his last Cabinet and his top aides. They all knew but they didn't open their traps until they were safely out, book advances in hand.

[bluegirl147]

10 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

And the journalists who work for the major news outlets care more about their potential book deals than reporting on a story that will anger their bosses and Trump. 

Bob Woodward comes to mind.

3 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

So did all the sycophants in his last Cabinet and his top aides. They all knew but they didn't open their traps until they were safely out, book advances in hand.

John Bolton comes to mind.

[Ohiopirate02]

30 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Bob Woodward comes to mind.

 

Katie Tur as well.

[Lantern7]

7 hours ago, tres bien said:

I’m increasingly sick when I read this

The newly appointed chairman of the Kennedy Center for Performing Arts (Trump) has now completed filling the 33 member board of trustees when he named Laura Ingraham and Maria Bartiromo this past week to usher in America’s Golden Age 

They join Second Lady Usha Vance, WH Chief of Staff Susie Wiles and her mom Cheri Summerall, WH deputy chief of staff Dan Scavino, country singer Lee Greenwood, Melania Trump, WH advisor Pamala Gross and spouses of his mega donors and business allies

Trump said he’d never been there. But no more woke!

😡

Has anyone asked Junior Kennedy what he thinks of his boss dismantling his uncle’s legacy? I just want to see if the one guy in Washington more incoherent than Trump has an opinion.

Watching SOTU “highlights” on The Daily Show. Disappointed the Democrats didn’t do anything strong beyond the one guy reaming Trump out. Where’s the open cursing? Why stop at paddles and notepads?

Edited 2 hours ago by Lantern7

[JustHereForFood]

On 3/9/2025 at 12:27 AM, peacheslatour said:

Have you ever noticed that a lot of the factual, verifiable and deeply researched news organizations all have pay walls, while garbage like Fox and News Max are free?

Same as social media.

[annzeepark914]

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

Damn right we're in a crisis here & it's scary. That puppy & goat killer, who's now in charge of Homeland Security, is conducting lie detector tests on employees, hunting for leaks. She said she's ready to prosecute leakers and send them to prison. I can't believe this is the United States of America.

[Soapy Goddess]

15 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I'm not saying you're racist here, but Republicans who say this don't realize how racist it sounds. The fact that they just have to mention that implies that they automatically assume that if a black candidate is put up for election, they're not "the most qualified". I don't automatically assume that if the Democrats run a black person they're not qualified. I happen to think Kamala Harris was far more qualified than Trump to be president, but what do I know?

And I'm not. It just seems to me that Dems are hell-bent on having a female president. And if she's white, black or purple, it doesn't seem to make a difference. That's all I was responding to. And I never assume anything about ANY candidate until I've seen/heard their agenda.

Sorry, but we'll have to agree to disagree about KH. The recent election proves it. Even her former running mate (Tim Walz) was caught on CNN stuttering when asked who he thought might be a front-runner for '28.  IOW, if she was the most qualified, you wouldn't know by his reaction. Not a peep out of him backing her.

15 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I know a lot of Republicans personally that do whether they will admit it or not. And many of them have admitted that and worse to me not knowing where I stood. For many years I was basically a-political so people thought they could open up to me about how they really felt about things. And what some of them told me shocked me.

I don't feel that way at all. I'm wondering if it's a regional opinion??

15 hours ago, tres bien said:

Soapy was replying to my opinion that if the democrats were to nominate a black man as their 2028 presidential candidate I believe Wes Moore would be a good choice because given that he’s a governor he has a record to run on and tout

Apparently that’s not good enough because maybe if you’re black you’re still not qualified 

 

 

And that's not what I meant at all. I replied to "yeah no", so I won't repeat myself.

[Yeah No]

12 hours ago, Avaleigh said:

Regarding your first point, from a basic fairness perspective, it seems like it's a mistake to make a declaration that you want to appoint/nominate the first [fill in the blank minority] candidate for whichever position. If you acknowledge that you aren't even going to consider other candidates, including other minorities, then there's no way of knowing whether or not you'll choose the "most qualified" candidate. You'll get a qualified candidate, yes, but to get the "most qualified" you will only know if the search is open to every qualified candidate.

It's better to acknowledge that you'll consider everyone who could do the job and then consider the diversity part. At the end of the day, there are so many marginalized groups that it won't be difficult to meet DEI goals without having to declare that other marginalized groups aren't even in the race because the decider feels for whatever reason that it wants to focus on one particular group. You can be fair and still make history. JMO.

I can't disagree with you there. It looks just as bad from a different angle to start off wanting a minority candidate. Democrats made this mistake pressuring Biden to nominate a black woman for his running mate in the 2020 election, which he did, which of course got Republicans all up in arms about it. I even winced at it. Didn't they realize how it would only give Republicans reasons to gripe about her being a "DEI" hire? I thought that was a mistake.

11 hours ago, Sharla said:

You could ask your PCP about it.  They have three options: 1) it isn't really a worry, 2) they can order an immunity titer blood test, 3) give you an MMR series.  

Thank you. I was actually going to ask my doctor when I saw her the other day but we had so much else to talk about I forgot!

[Soapy Goddess]

13 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I don't know if a lot of otherwise non-racist Republicans realize that arguments like this are used by the racists among them (i.e. Trump himself) to hide their racism behind the guise of "fairness" and "colorblindness". I mean, who doesn't want things to be fair and candidates to be qualified, right? But in reality they're using this argument to make non-racist white Republicans think that Democrats are the "unfair" ones for nominating "unqualified" black people "just because they're black", when meanwhile that's not even the case. What better way for them to make white people think they have a grievance over Democrats not being "fair" to them? This is one of the reasons my husband backed away from the Republican party. He felt duped and used by stuff like this.

And once again this is another example of how everything Republicans try to pin on Democrats is really true of themselves. They try to act like Democrats are the "real" racists and favor non-whites meanwhile they are hiding their own racism toward non-whites in the process! 

Once again, I don't care what color ANY qualified person is...and I'm not just talking about the presidency. My sister works for a large corporation, and after 18 years she was passed up for a promotion because their was a quota to be filled. I will not elaborate otherwise this will disappear. My main objection is when things move in reverse IYKWIM. Otherwise, bring on the Blue Man Group!

13 hours ago, Avaleigh said:

Yeah, "most qualified" arguments don't seem to come into the conversation from right wing supporters when it's people like Trump, Cavanagh, Hegseth, etc. I wonder why?

 

[Soapy Goddess]

12 hours ago, ProudMary said:

This sums it up nicely.

 

Agree! This is why we have the first person of color to head the FBI:

 

[Yeah No]

 

9 hours ago, PRgal said:

If you're talking about education, then it's not about non-Whites, but anyone in so-called "underserved groups."  This apparently does NOT include Asians.  Think the Harvard case.  And yeah, race-blind/colour-blind admissions where every applicant is given a number, and the admissions people are basing everything on test scores, GPA and other things, that's a good thing.  If most of the kids who get in are either White or Asian?  What that shows is that there are OTHER issues going on in some communities.  And it also gives a chance to lower income White and Asian families.  Somehow, society itself thinks these communities are all middle class, which is not true.

Interestingly if you would believe this, a lot of people want to eliminate the entrance exam to get into my old school, The Bronx HS of Science, on the basis that too many Asians get in! Also problematic is that fewer black students are getting in than was the case even 50 years ago when I went there, but that's also in part because less of them are taking the test. 

As of 2018 the racial makeup of the school was 66% Asian, 23% white, 6% Hispanic and 3% Black. 50 years ago when I went there it was probably about 75% white, 10% Black, and the rest split between Asian and Hispanic. I don't know the solution to this issue but I am not in favor of eliminating the entrance exam and I think at least some of the problem comes from how many of each race actually takes the test to get into the school. So that's one issue that needs to be addressed too.

[Soapy Goddess]

11 hours ago, partofme said:

I’ve seen no evidence that Republicans actually accept her though. She votes for a party that hates her. 

I seriously doubt she votes for a party that hates her. Based on previous interviews, she voted for the major issues that DJT promised to do. 

[Makai]

13 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

I can't disagree with you there. It looks just as bad from a different angle to start off wanting a minority candidate. Democrats made this mistake pressuring Biden to nominate a black woman for his running mate in the 2020 election, which he did, which of course got Republicans all up in arms about it. I even winced at it. Didn't they realize how it would only give Republicans reasons to gripe about her being a "DEI" hire? I thought that was a mistake.

I agree that it was a poor choice to announce it but there is no world where they wouldn’t have griped about her being a DEI hire. Biden could have named 10 potential candidates where all but one were white men and any women picked would be called a DEI hire. They don’t need any reason other than gender and skin color. Biden did gave them a tiny bit more ammunition but they were always going there.

Just look at the reaction to Brandon Scott after the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse. 

[Yeah No]

8 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

Economically conservative and socially liberal.

My husband was more of a "Rockerfeller Republican" when he was a Republican, but he's grown more fiscally liberal in his old age. I found it interesting when he told me that it actually benefits us more in old age to be more economically liberal. I don't know if that's true but I'm not unhappy he's loosened up a little bit on this.

8 hours ago, partofme said:

Not only under 40.  I was a baby when Ford was President, I have no idea who his VP was.  When I hear the name Rockefeller I think of John D Rockefeller.  

I think Nelson (or "Rocky" as we used to call him) is more well known among people in New York State than elsewhere in the country and younger people there would definitely have heard of him either from their parents or in school. He was NY governor from 1959 to 1973. That's a long time!

7 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

He doesn't own it but he is the manager. Eastside Trains has one of the only Lionel repair departments in the world. Have them bring it in! I'll make sure they expedite the repair.

Oh wow, I sure wish you were closer to me! I have a huge Lionel transformer from the '50s or '60s that needs to be repaired. I have a lot of trains - some in their boxes, mostly O gauge but also some HO. My parents had a set when I was a kid and my uncle collected them too so I inherited them.