Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Lantern7]

11 minutes ago, Trini said:

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As to the U.S. being united question: Miracle on the Hudson?

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Sully! I was thinking of moments that the nation watched as they happened, but Sully landing the plane? I think it qualifies. Thanks!

Edited Yest. at 04:41 AM by Lantern7

[Annber03]

I just wonder what all those evangelicals who support Trump are thinking about him not putting his hand on the Bible. If it were a Democratic president who didn't do that, they'd have a meltdown. 

 

[Yeah No]

9 hours ago, Bastet said:

That reminds me of when I met Gloria Steinem after a protest.  I was heading to a little hole in the wall deli to get a sandwich, rounded a corner and damn near collided with her.  Did I open with my thoughts on her inspiring speech, my thanks for Ms. Magazine, or anything like that?  Nope, I got so befuddled by seeing her face to face, I fixated on the fact she was carrying food from the same deli and started babbling about sandwiches!  I did then pull myself together to talk about more important things, so it's a great memory, but I will forever roll my eyes at myself for how it began.

That's similar to the way my mother and I almost bumped right into her in NYC in the '70s, although it wasn't after a protest. We gushed like fangirls about how much she inspired us and how we subscribed to Ms. Magazine, so we weren't much better, lol. And my mother was rarely at a loss for words, either.

9 hours ago, Avaleigh said:

When I argued that maybe we should try to not focus on stuff like this, it was as if I'd said that I was voting for Trump. At least I felt a little validated when Brandeis eventually removed the list of oppressive language from their site (afaik), but the real reason this incident is memorable for me is because I was stunned at the lack of tolerance from people who indentify as socially liberal. It didn't matter either if the POV was from a woman or a minority or a person who votes like they do. 

I want my party to at least be open to hearing different points of view. Ideally too, my side is going to be okay with people having a different take on a minor topic without it turning into this thing where they're questioning their basic humanity. If I vote the way that you do, support the same causes, advocate for the same political issues, is it really that big of a deal if we're not necessarily on the same page in terms of, say, what strategy I think the party should use for the midterm or if I think it's unnecessary to push a ban on words like picnic? As long as a person is in step on the bread and butter issues, that should be enough to keep people from making comments that indicate they think you're essentially supporting a party that doesn't care about the things you value.

I'm honestly nervous about even posting this just because of that experience when I made the choice to wade into this topic. At the end of the day though I feel like people are more tolerant here than some other places, so that's what's giving me the courage.

Thank you SO much, your entire post resonates with me as I have been in that position myself, quibbling over minor things and being made to feel like I might as well be a Trump supporter. Only it was right here on this board, LOL. But that was months ago now. Since then I am feeling much better heard and understood.

8 hours ago, Dimity said:

And the timing is interesting.  Could they be making it any clearer that the reason $Trump wanted back in the White House was to keep lining his pockets by picking the pockets of everyone else...oh and to stay out of jail too of course...but mainly it's all about the money.

My very political friend has been chanting just this for months now and I believe him (and you).

8 hours ago, Avaleigh said:

This is one of the reasons why I didn't understand why this word made the list of banned words. It should be okay for people to question stuff like this without people automatically suspecting that you're an advocate for the other side. 

Exactly. Again, been there over similar stuff, have the T shirt.

8 hours ago, Avaleigh said:

I understand that it isn't reasonable to expect every topic to be able to be discussed without the discussion turning heated. I think when it comes to minor topics like the ones I mentioned, I think that's where I'm hopeful that everyone would be able to weigh in without it turning into a metaphorical knife fight.

As one who has felt "knifed" in a discussion about something minor, I wholeheartedly agree!

[Yeah No]

7 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

I just asked a question for the public on Facebook, but I know that I’ll get responses here.

When was the last time that the United States were truly united, even if it was for a brief period?

Here are my rules:

• No tragedies (9/11, Oklahoma City, Challenger)
• No deaths (bin Laden, Hussein)
• No sporting events (Miracle on Ice, USWNT winning World Cups)

Are wars considered tragedies? Because if allowed I'd say during WWII after Pearl Harbor before the death of FDR.

Actually right after WWII might qualify too.

[Lantern7]

5 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

Are wars considered tragedies? Because if allowed I'd say during WWII after Pearl Harbor before the death of FDR.

Actually right after WWII might qualify too.

I think that's under people dying.

I'm not saying The Daily Show wasn't funny tonight. I'm just saying that I didn't laugh. I'm probably not alone there.

[Yeah No]

16 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

I think that's under people dying.

How about after the war? I think the period after WWII straight through the 1950s was one of the most talked about eras of unity in the US thanks to an economic boom and the unity still felt after fighting a common enemy. That period lasted for more or less a decade. It's one reason why they named a show "Happy Days", LOL. I was born in the late '50s so I don't remember much of that decade but I do remember enough about it to know how things were, and learned more thanks to my parents who were both WWII vets and talked about such things a lot.

4 hours ago, PRgal said:

You guys are in for a long four years unless mid-terms go full on blue.  And the whole world better be ready for another economic crash. 

My political friend is insistent that things will turn blue in 2 years. So I'm going with that!

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

I just wonder what all those evangelicals who support Trump are thinking about him not putting his hand on the Bible. If it were a Democratic president who didn't do that, they'd have a meltdown. 

Oh for sure, but he's the profane instrument that God is using to bring good out of, remember? They've deliberately twisted things in their minds to forgive his profane ways.

[anony.miss]

2 hours ago, Trini said:

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I know Trump has no morals, but how can anyone else be okay with this? No matter which 'side' you're on? PEOPLE DIED.

It's shocking (and despair-inducing) but at this point, it seems clear  (to me) that many Trump voters didn't care that the capitol was stormed, or that people were killed, or that cops were permanently handicapped, or that the seat of American democracy looked like a prison break on January 6th.  It didn't disgust them, or repel them - or even cause them to sit the election out, because they just couldn't vote for the monster who set that in motion - none of that mattered.  Trump knows many of his voters are now fine with what happened that day, and others are demanding terrorists be seen as "hostages" so it's all gravy for him politically (as you say, he has no moral skin in this game). And maybe I'm wrong and there will be a wave of outraged Republicans demanding Trump retract his pardons, but I doubt it.  I think they'll be mostly fine with it. So many of his voters misread, excused, or waved away Trump's criminal nature, and I think that's going to cost them. They voted for the Trump they hoped he'd become, not the Trump he actually is. And that same thuggish streak in him  - the one they waved away  - is going to be used against them.  They're going to get everything they voted for, and it will be a reckoning.

And after discussing Trump's Republican followers for months here, I want to also acknowledge the Republicans who voted for Harris. From private citizens to Never Trumpers to Republican officials, they all broke with political tribalism and put country over party, and I'm grateful they tried  to stop this disgrace from happening.

Edited Yest. at 07:03 AM by anony.miss

[kittykat]

51 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

I think that's under people dying.

I'm not saying The Daily Show wasn't funny tonight. I'm just saying that I didn't laugh. I'm probably not alone there.

I definitely laughed a little.  It's all I've got.  Probably the most entertained I've been by one of Jon Stewart's takes in a while.  Josh Johnson at end was all too real. I'm glad TDS was the only footage I watched of the inauguration.

[Ancaster]

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

I just wonder what all those evangelicals who support Trump are thinking about him not putting his hand on the Bible. If it were a Democratic president who didn't do that, they'd have a meltdown. 

 

In all seriousness, I'm sure a lot didn't even notice.  They (indeed, we all) see or don't see what we do or don't want to see.  It's not willful, it's the human condition.  Of course, some Republicans/supporters will have noticed, and they will have some reason to dismiss it.

[CheshireCat]

8 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

It was just a matter of time.  And CNN going out of their way to not refer to as a Nazi salute but instead as a Roman salute. 

Considering that the Roman salute was used in Italy in the 1920s and 1930s and adopted by the Fascist movement and that slavery, gladiator fights, brutal wars, oppression of women and persecutions of Jews as well as Christians are part of the Roman empire's history, I don't think that's more favorable.

I think it's simply seen as more acceptable because the Roman Empire is a lot more abstract and a lot less present in our minds than the 3rd Reich. 

In my experience, these gestures are no accident but dog whistles. They're deliberately murky so that, as Ancaster said (even if in a different context) anyone who doesn't want to see it doesn't have to see it but those who it's intended for understand. 

I believe that any politician should avoid any gesture that could be seen as any Fascist salute that exists and I'd also say that any politician who doesn't want to make such a gesture does. Otherwise, I would think we'd see a lot more do it and from a broader political spectrum. But I'm only aware of far-right politicians/advisors who get caught up in controversies over fascist gestures or rhetoric. 

 

[Soapy Goddess]

6 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Yeah, but hey, at least we didn't elect someone whose laugh was a little unusual. Whew. Sure dodged a bullet there. 

You mean the one who did absolutely NOTHING for 4 years? 

 

6 hours ago, kittykat said:

Let's face it, January 6th worked.  It was not a failure.  They did their job, they'll never face consequences again. Can't wait to see the pundits jumps through fire hoops to justify pardoning the rioters after attacking Joe Biden for pardoning Hunter.  

And it's okay for Biden to pardon 4900 criminals? Guess all the prisons can now undergo full renovations since there will be no residents.

13 hours ago, Dimity said:

He's made it clear his personal heroes are Putin and Kim Jong Un.

He never said that. Have you ever heard the phrase "keep your enemies close"?

[Annber03]

4 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

You mean the one who did absolutely NOTHING for 4 years? 

You do understand what the job of vice president actually entails, right? 

Once again, nothing she's done or hasn't done exucses or justifies what we're about to get with Trump. Nothing. You're not going to get any sympathy for that stance here. 

[bluegirl147]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy48v1x4dv4o

An article about Musk and his "gesture".

From the article:

Andrea Stroppa, a close confidant of Musk who has connected him with far-right Italian PM Giorgia Meloni, was reported by Italian media to have posted the clip of Musk with the caption: "Roman Empire is back starting from Roman salute". The Roman salute was widely used in Italy by Benito Mussolini's Fascist Party, before later being adopted by Adolf Hitler in Germany.

Stroppa later deleted his post, Italian media said. He later posted that "that gesture, which some mistook for a Nazi salute, is simply Elon, who has autism, expressing his feelings by saying, 'I want to give my heart to you'," he said.

Using autism as a way to handwave away what sure as fuck looked like a facist/Nazi salute is gross.

 

 

[Ohiopirate02]

2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy48v1x4dv4o

An article about Musk and his "gesture".

From the article:

Andrea Stroppa, a close confidant of Musk who has connected him with far-right Italian PM Giorgia Meloni, was reported by Italian media to have posted the clip of Musk with the caption: "Roman Empire is back starting from Roman salute". The Roman salute was widely used in Italy by Benito Mussolini's Fascist Party, before later being adopted by Adolf Hitler in Germany.

Stroppa later deleted his post, Italian media said. He later posted that "that gesture, which some mistook for a Nazi salute, is simply Elon, who has autism, expressing his feelings by saying, 'I want to give my heart to you'," he said.

Using autism as a way to handwave away what sure as fuck looked like a facist/Nazi salute is gross.

 

 

Yeah, autism is the reason Elon is on 4Chan. /s

I find it funny (in a bad way) that Elon's autism was never a thing until he discovered the far right pockets of the internet.

[Dimity]

2 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Once again, nothing she's done or hasn't done exucses or justifies what we're about to get with Trump. Nothing.

And on that note, any news on the price of eggs so far today?

[Dimity]

[Lugal]

15 hours ago, Eri said:

This has and always will be their downfall - the right always consolidates and comes together, the left always divides within themselves. Some serious conversations that need to be had within the left won't happen and they'll always be in this position..

While I'm not disputing the ability of the left to form circular firing squads, it should be noted that deliberate attacks like Cointelpro also played a part.  And the "left" encompasses everything from progressives (and even liberals, but not by many leftists themselves) to an-coms its going to be a lot harder to form some kind of consensus.

2 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I find it funny (in a bad way) that Elon's autism was never a thing until he discovered the far right pockets of the internet.

Musk self-diagnosed.  He has never gotten an official diagnosis from a mental health professional.  While I recognize the validity of self-diagnosis, I would think the richest man in the world could afford to see a shrink.  I think he plays it up because it fits with his visionary boy-wonder genius schtick.

His biographer describes him as having a Jekyll and Hyde personality, tends to dismiss anything that displeases him as stupid, and claims to never experience empathy.  I'm no professional, but to me this sounds like a psychopath.

[Eri]

13 minutes ago, Lugal said:

While I'm not disputing the ability of the left to form circular firing squads, it should be noted that deliberate attacks like Cointelpro also played a part.  And the "left" encompasses everything from progressives (and even liberals, but not by many leftists themselves) to an-coms its going to be a lot harder to form some kind of consensus.

I agree with that sentiment.

In light of the current divisive climate and the on-going circus, ICE is going to intensify its power, and the repression is going to get worse. Grassroots organizations are becoming increasingly vital, especially as people face more poverty and alienation, which means it's now more than ever the time to build connection with your local community groups, and I believe this is a valuable opportunity for the Dems to consider over the next 4 years.

Many people view politics solely through the lens of legislation, running for office, protests, etc. but it encompasses so much more. It also includes a broader political landscape such as:

• Organizing community events
• Engaging with local communities
• Building friendships with neighbors where possible  (I know it's easier said than done for those in red states)
• Participating in local anti-racism, LGBTQ+, feminist, or men's groups

The continuous pattern of right wing hysteria is to promote individualism, just looking out for yourself and viewing everyone else as the enemy. By rejecting this viewpoint and embracing our roles within a collective, we have the potential to create significant change, possibly even more than through voting alone.

(That said, everyone go vote in 2026. This is not a call to not participate in elections, pretty please)

Edited Yest. at 04:20 PM by Eri

[bluegirl147]

One big thing that needs done is pushing back on the lies/propaganda the media will gladly perpetuate if it means they still  have access.  It's bad enough social media spreads the lies but now we have most major news outlets downplaying or outright ignoring the worst of Trump's day one activities. 

I read it would take 90,000 troops to take back the Panama Canal.  So if there is a draft how many of MAGA will see their sons go off to war? I'm sure we would see a lot of bone spurs pop up in those that can afford the best doctors.

[Ohiopirate02]

11 minutes ago, Lugal said:

Musk self-diagnosed.  He has never gotten an official diagnosis from a mental health professional.  While I recognize the validity of self-diagnosis, I would think the richest man in the world could afford to see a shrink.  I think he plays it up because it fits with his visionary boy-wonder genius schtick.

His biographer describes him as having a Jekyll and Hyde personality, tends to dismiss anything that displeases him as stupid, and claims to never experience empathy.  I'm no professional, but to me this sounds like a psychopath.

I also recognize the validity of self-diagnoses when it comes to autism and ADHD for Gen-X and Elder Millennials because we were not screened for these things unless we were seriously failing or seriously disruptive in class. If you got decent grades or higher and did not cause your teacher to drink, then you were not getting tested. I don't doubt him being neurotypical, I just have a problem using that as an excuse for his behavior. Nobody stumbles into Far Right rabbit holes, they seek them out for whatever reason.

[Ohiopirate02]

13 minutes ago, Eri said:

I agree with that sentiment.

In light of the current divisive climate and the on-going circus, ICE is going to intensify its power, and the repression is going to get worse. Grassroots organizations are becoming increasingly vital, especially as people face more poverty and alienation, which means it's now more than ever the time to build connection with your local community groups, and I believe this is a valuable opportunity for the Dems to consider over the next 4 years.

Many people view politics solely through the lens of legislation, running for office, protests, etc. but it encompasses so much more. It also includes a broader political landscape such as:

• Organizing community events
• Engaging with local communities
• Building friendships with neighbors where possible
• Participating in local anti-racism, LGBTQ+, feminist, or men's groups

The continuous pattern of right wing hysteria is to promote individualism, just looking out for yourself and viewing everyone else as the enemy. By rejecting this viewpoint and embracing our roles within a collective, we have the potential to create significant change, possibly even more than through voting alone.

(That said, everyone go vote in 2026. This is not a call to not participate in elections, pretty please)

This and also, we do not have to comply with these executive orders. I'm not going to start calling trans men and women by their deadnames just because Trump signed some order yesterday. I really do not care about which bathroom they use in the building that I manage or in any bathroom that I may be using.

[Lugal]

3 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I read it would take 90,000 troops to take back the Panama Canal.  So if there is a draft how many of MAGA will see their sons go off to war? I'm sure we would see a lot of bone spurs pop up in those that can afford the best doctors.

77% of Americans are unfit for military service according a 2020 Pentagon study.  And also the Panama canal is extremely vulnerable to attack.  A lone Panamanian attack could blow up the locks or dams and would result in the loss of stored water which could take up to 2 years to replace (that was from a study in 1970, and due to drought conditions, it may take longer now) making the Ever Given fiasco look like amateur hour.

[bluegirl147]

4 minutes ago, Lugal said:

77% of Americans are unfit for military service according a 2020 Pentagon study.  And also the Panama canal is extremely vulnerable to attack.  A lone Panamanian attack could blow up the locks or dams and would result in the loss of stored water which could take up to 2 years to replace (that was from a study in 1970, and due to drought conditions, it may take longer now) making the Ever Given fiasco look like amateur hour.

Not to mention if you fuck up the canal you fuck up all the commerce that comes through.  Other countries use that canal for trade as well.  Doubt they would be happy Trump (and it's Trump not the US) fucked up things for them.

[PRgal]

13 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I also recognize the validity of self-diagnoses when it comes to autism and ADHD for Gen-X and Elder Millennials because we were not screened for these things unless we were seriously failing or seriously disruptive in class. If you got decent grades or higher and did not cause your teacher to drink, then you were not getting tested. I don't doubt him being neurotypical, I just have a problem using that as an excuse for his behavior. Nobody stumbles into Far Right rabbit holes, they seek them out for whatever reason.

And if you're female, you weren't flagged at all.  What's weird is that I was fairly disruptive when I was very young but was only sent to the behaviour issues classroom to cool off.  No one ever flagged me and I think they blamed it on my epilepsy instead.  Weird, huh?

[peacheslatour]

Trump just rescinded an Executive Order issued by President Biden to lower prescription drug costs for people in Medicare and Medicaid.

[bluegirl147]

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Trump just rescinded an Executive Order issued by President Biden to lower prescription drug costs for people in Medicare and Medicaid.

So taxpayers will have to pay more.  I doubt he realizes or cares Medicare and Medicaid are funded by taxpayers.  And the reason for this would be?  Big Pharma needs more money?  Why else do it?

[Anela]

7 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

You mean the one who did absolutely NOTHING for 4 years? 

 

And it's okay for Biden to pardon 4900 criminals? Guess all the prisons can now undergo full renovations since there will be no residents.

He never said that. Have you ever heard the phrase "keep your enemies close"?

She was not the president!! And where did Biden do nothing?

[Ohiopirate02]

6 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

So taxpayers will have to pay more.  I doubt he realizes or cares Medicare and Medicaid are funded by taxpayers.  And the reason for this would be?  Big Pharma needs more money?  Why else do it?

I'm guessing because Biden signed it, therefore it must go.

[peacheslatour]

6 minutes ago, Anela said:

She was not the president!! And where did Biden do nothing?

Passed the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package to increase investment in the national network of bridges and roads, airports, public transport and national broadband internet, as well as waterways and energy systems.

Helped get more than 500 million life-saving COVID-19 vaccinations in the arms of Americans through the American Rescue Plan.

Stopped a 30-year streak of federal inaction on gun violence by signing the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act that created enhanced background checks, closed the “boyfriend” loophole and provided funds for youth mental health.

Made a $369 billion investment in climate change, the largest in American history, through the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022.

Ended the longest war in American history by pulling the troops out of Afghanistan.

Provided $10,000 to $20,000 in college debt relief to Americans with loans who make under $125,000 a year.

Cut child poverty in half through the American Rescue Plan.

Capped prescription drug prices at $2,000 per year for seniors on Medicare through the Inflation Reduction Act.

Passed the COVID-19 relief deal that provided payments of up to $1,400 to many struggling U.S. citizens while supporting renters and increasing unemployment benefits.

Achieved historically low unemployment rates after the pandemic caused them to skyrocket.

Imposed a 15% minimum corporate tax on some of the largest corporations in the country, ensuring that they pay their fair share, as part of the historic Inflation Reduction Act.

Recommitted America to the global fight against climate change by rejoining the Paris Agreement.

Strengthened the NATO alliance in support of Ukraine after the Russian invasion by endorsing the inclusion of world military powers Sweden and Finland.

Authorized the assassination of the Al Qaeda terrorist Ayman al-Zawahiri, who became head of the organization after the death of Osama bin Laden.

Gave Medicare the power to negotiate prescription drug prices through the Inflation Reduction Act while also reducing government health spending.

Held Vladimir Putin accountable for his invasion of Ukraine by imposing stiff economic sanctions.

Boosted the budget of the Internal Revenue Service by nearly $80 billion to reduce tax evasion and increase revenue.

Created more jobs in one year (6.6 million) than any other president in U.S. history.

Reduced healthcare premiums under the Affordable Care Act by $800 a year as part of the American Rescue Plan.

Signed the PACT Act to address service members’ exposure to burn pits and other toxins.

Signed the CHIPS and Science Act to strengthen American manufacturing and innovation.

Reauthorized the Violence Against Women Act through 2027.

Halted all federal executions after the previous administration reinstated them after a 17-year freeze.

[FilmTVGeek80]

7 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

You mean the one who did absolutely NOTHING for 4 years? 

 

And it's okay for Biden to pardon 4900 criminals? Guess all the prisons can now undergo full renovations since there will be no residents.

He never said that. Have you ever heard the phrase "keep your enemies close"?

Like someone else mentioned, what do you think the actual role of a VP is? Though I do know some Rs decided to give her the made up title of border czar. The VP’s role is not to enact sweeping changes or anything like that. That’s the president’s job. But, let’s say she did literally nothing. I would vote for that person over someone who separated children from their families (and just ordered to keep those families separated) or raises the prices for people on Medicaid and Medicare.

All presidents issue pardons. Most of them don’t refer to those convicted criminals as hostages or do it to try and erase their own crime from history.

I don’t recall if he literally said they were his heroes, but he has certainly praised them, said he admired them, and wished for their kind of power. Is the phrase “keep your enemies closer and insult your friends?” Because he has nothing but praise for dictators and insults for our allies. You can keep your enemies close without being a worthless suck-up.

[peacheslatour]

8 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Like someone else mentioned, what do you think the actual role of a VP is? Though I do know some Rs decided to give her the made up title of border czar. The VP’s role is not to enact sweeping changes or anything like that. That’s the president’s job. But, let’s say she did literally nothing. I would vote for that person over someone who separated children from their families (and just ordered to keep those families separated) or raises the prices for people on Medicaid and Medicare.

All presidents issue pardons. Most of them don’t refer to those convicted criminals as hostages or do it to try and erase their own crime from history.

I don’t recall if he literally said they were his heroes, but he has certainly praised them, said he admired them, and wished for their kind of power. Is the phrase “keep your enemies closer and insult your friends?” Because he has nothing but praise for dictators and insults for our allies. You can keep your enemies close without being a worthless suck-up.

Yes, let's talk about of all of Pence's accomplishments. Here's a comprehensive list -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And then there was -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So there.

[Dimity]

30 minutes ago, Anela said:

She was not the president!! And where did Biden do nothing?

Fox news.

[peacheslatour]

Who said conservative humor is not funny?

[bluegirl147]

14 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Yes, let's talk about of all of Pence's accomplishments. Here's a comprehensive list -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And then there was -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So there.

Now you know Pence's star really shined when he was Indiana governor.  I mean I'm sure he was very proud of that HIV outbreak he caused by defunding Planned Parenthood and refusing to lift the state ban on funding needle exchanges.

[Dimity]

45 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Trump just rescinded an Executive Order issued by President Biden to lower prescription drug costs for people in Medicare and Medicaid.

Well he isn't wasting any time working his ass off to please his billionaire donors.  To hell with the rest of the country.

So Canadian idiots (thankfully a minority) who think being the 51st state is just a peachy keen idea  let's hope you never get sick.  One of my sisters has diabetes and this may come as  a shock to Trumpettes but no insulin=dead.

Edited Yest. at 05:28 PM by Dimity

[Anela]

30 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Like someone else mentioned, what do you think the actual role of a VP is? Though I do know some Rs decided to give her the made up title of border czar. The VP’s role is not to enact sweeping changes or anything like that. That’s the president’s job. But, let’s say she did literally nothing. I would vote for that person over someone who separated children from their families (and just ordered to keep those families separated) or raises the prices for people on Medicaid and Medicare.

All presidents issue pardons. Most of them don’t refer to those convicted criminals as hostages or do it to try and erase their own crime from history.

I don’t recall if he literally said they were his heroes, but he has certainly praised them, said he admired them, and wished for their kind of power. Is the phrase “keep your enemies closer and insult your friends?” Because he has nothing but praise for dictators and insults for our allies. You can keep your enemies close without being a worthless suck-up.

His referring to them as hostages, is just beyond the pale. They’ve been doing that, since the end of 2023, and I haven’t seen anyone call them out.  

21 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Yes, let's talk about of all of Pence's accomplishments. Here's a comprehensive list -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And then there was -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So there.

LMFAO. So true. 

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Now you know Pence's star really shined when he was Indiana governor.  I mean I'm sure he was very proud of that HIV outbreak he caused by defunding Planned Parenthood and refusing to lift the state ban on funding needle exchanges.

Or when he spearheaded advocacy for conversion "therapy".

On Saturday, Vice President Mike Pence is slated to speak after a panel of conversion therapy advocates and anti-LGBTQ extremists who plan to discuss “how gender ideology harms children,” according to an agenda for the so-called Values Voter Summit held annually by designated gate group Family Research Council. The panel includes Elizabeth Johnston, who has threatened violence against transgender people and promotes the dangerous and abusive practice of conversion therapy on children, and Paul McHugh, a doctor who has slurred and denied the existence of transgender people, and Seb Gorka, former advisor to Donald Trump and notable white supremacist.

Human Right Campaign by Charlotte Clymer • September 21, 2018

[bluegirl147]

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Or when he spearheaded advocacy for conversion "therapy"

I've heard Democrats praise Pence as an honorable man for what he did on January 6th.  Which was you know just doing his job.  But that doesn't make up for the very real harmful and cruel things he did. Like advocating for conversion "therapy" and allowing the HIV outbreak to get worse. 

[Anela]

7 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I've heard Democrats praise Pence as an honorable man for what he did on January 6th.  Which was you know just doing his job.  But that doesn't make up for the very real harmful and cruel things he did. Like advocating for conversion "therapy" and allowing the HIV outbreak to get worse. 

We all saw how much sway he had over trump, as vice-president too: none. So, I don't know why they would think Kamala would have any power over Biden. 

Edited Yest. at 05:46 PM by Anela

[peacheslatour]

8 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I've heard Democrats praise Pence as an honorable man for what he did on January 6th.  Which was you know just doing his job.  But that doesn't make up for the very real harmful and cruel things he did. Like advocating for conversion "therapy" and allowing the HIV outbreak to get worse. 

And it took Dan Quayle of all people to convince him to do his duty. Speaking of duty, I just heard the the White House web site has removed the Constitution altogether from the site. I haven't checked though because my blood pressure is already elevated today.

[Dimity]

5 minutes ago, Anela said:

We all saw how much sway he had over trump, as vice-president too: none.

It's too early to tell of course but I don't see Vance having any sway either.  I'll give him some credit for saying a few days ago that he didn't think all the Jan 6th thugs should be pardoned.  His opinion counted for nothing with Trump.  Unless he says what Trump wants to hear he's basically going to be sitting in a corner watching Musk and the Boss Baby burn it all down.

[Anela]

11 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

And it took Dan Quayle of all people to convince him to do his duty. Speaking of duty, I just heard the the White House web site has removed the Constitution altogether from the site. I haven't checked though because my blood pressure is already elevated today.

I'm trying to focus on other things, but it's hard. 

[bluegirl147]

7 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Unless he says what Trump wants to hear he's basically going to be sitting in a corner watching Musk and the Boss Baby burn it all down.

It's being reported Musk will have an office close to the Oval.  I remember when Republicans howled that Hillary would have too much influence over her husband when he was President.  And here they are perfectly fine with a billionaire from South Africa with a fondness for fascist salutes being a shadow president. 

[fastiller]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Yes, let's talk about of all of Pence's accomplishments. Here's a comprehensive list -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And then there was -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So there.

 

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

Now you know Pence's star really shined when he was Indiana governor.  I mean I'm sure he was very proud of that HIV outbreak he caused by defunding Planned Parenthood and refusing to lift the state ban on funding needle exchanges.

AS Governor of Indiana, Pence did increase USPS revenue a bit with the Periods for Pence movement.

[anony.miss]

[Lantern7]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

And it took Dan Quayle of all people to convince him to do his duty.

Please tell us the details. They’re both from Indiana, right? I figure Danny would keep a low profile, not wanting to be recognized as the dumbest Veep ever. For those born after Generation X reading this: the thought of something happening to Bush 41 to make Quayle the President was the biggest disaster we could contemplate between 1988-1992. Funny how times change, huh? Not “ha ha” funny, though.

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Yes, let's talk about of all of Pence's accomplishments. Here's a comprehensive list -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And then there was -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So there.

Wait, there wasn’t a competition for Most Caucasian Governor? I figure he’d be in the top ten all time.

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

Please tell us the details. They’re both from Indiana, right? I figure Danny would keep a low profile, not wanting to be recognized as the dumbest Veep ever. For those born after Generation X reading this: the thought of something happening to Bush 41 to make Quayle the President was the biggest disaster we could contemplate between 1988-1992. Funny how times change, huh? Not “ha ha” funny, though.

Wait, there wasn’t a competition for Most Caucasian Governor? I figure he’d be in the top ten all time.

Ask the fly. Aren't they generally drawn to something?

[Ohiopirate02]

28 minutes ago, anony.miss said:

I learned recently that Elon's maternal grandparents immigrated to South Africa because they were Nazis and that apparently didn't fly in Canada

[bluegirl147]

3 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

I figure Danny would keep a low profile, not wanting to be recognized as the dumbest Veep ever. For those born after Generation X reading this: the thought of something happening to Bush 41 to make Quayle the President was the biggest disaster we could contemplate between 1988-1992. Funny how times change, huh? Not “ha ha” funny, though.

Remember how we thought he would be dumbest person to even get close to the Oval?  And then there  was Trump.

But yeah Quayle was dumb.  Couldn't spell potato.  And picked a fight with a fictional character Murphy Brown.  Good times.

1 minute ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I learned recently that Elon's maternal grandparents immigrated to South Africa because they were Nazis and that apparently didn't fly in Canada

And now things are suddenly becoming clear.

[kittykat]

9 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

Please tell us the details. They’re both from Indiana, right? I figure Danny would keep a low profile, not wanting to be recognized as the dumbest Veep ever. For those born after Generation X reading this: the thought of something happening to Bush 41 to make Quayle the President was the biggest disaster we could contemplate between 1988-1992. Funny how times change, huh? Not “ha ha” funny, though.

Wait, there wasn’t a competition for Most Caucasian Governor? I figure he’d be in the top ten all time.

I was single digit ages in the era of Dan Quayle and even I knew through my parents comments that he was a joke.  We didn't think it would go any lower after George W Bush but we should never assume that this country has hit bottom yet.