Chit-Chat: The Feels

[bluegirl147]

8 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

I know we should stop focusing on what went wrong, but this is a sign of what went right. The only problem is that not enough of the people that didn't vote for Trump (like my brother in law) were willing to vote for Kamala and sat out the election.

When people don't vote most times the worse candidate wins.  

9 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

Hopefully after Trump is not president anymore some of that might ease as candidates are put up that on both sides that don't get labeled as extreme

A big problem is the Republicans put up extremists in the primaries.  And a lot of times they win.  Now some don't win in the general but some do.

[bluegirl147]

7 minutes ago, Enigma X said:

Well, a well-known local U.S. terrorist organization,

I used to have a coworker who was a member of a local US terrorist organization.  My company does services that require us to be in people's homes. This coworker terrorist saw what he thought was signs of antifa in a home he was servicing.  It was a rental so he took it upon himself to call the property manager and tell them what he saw.  Before he did that I told him don't. It was none of his business.  The property manager was pissed. At my coworker.  Basically told him what I had said. It was none of his business. We ended up losing their account.  We got it back a couple years later after the terrorist no longer worked here.  He had tattoos on his arm that showed what organization he belonged to.  About a year after he left I got a call from a customer we had serviced the year before. She wanted us to come back and said but could I have a different tech. I said yes but can I ask why.  She said the tech who had been there before had tattoos on his arm that made her uncomfortable and she didn't want him in her house again. I told her he no longer worked here and that I felt the same way she did.

15 minutes ago, Enigma X said:

This is an obscene level of bullying that is going to get someone hurt.

They don't care. They think they are fighting a war.

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

Since Teslas are electric cars and are supposed to be better for the environment I'm guessing you are right.  Although I do think some people bought them as status symbol. Much like when Hummers first came out. 

Yes and also some people bought them a few years back to save money on gas before they became too expensive for at least some of the middle class. This would especially be true in states with a high cost of living like CT and NY and states with very high gas prices. I think a lot of those are probably still on the road.

49 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Elon Musk has his own cult of personality thing going on where wannabe** tech bros revere him as a genius and will fight online with anyone who says differently. These guys are the ones buying Cybertrucks in particular. Other Tesla owners do fall into this group, but many others just wanted an EV and Teslas are widely available.

I wonder if this varies by area of the country. Around here Teslas in general actually appeal rich Republicans who see them as a status symbol kind of like an Italian sports car, and rich Democrats who want to appear to be lowering their carbon footprint but still look cool while doing it. The cybertuck I saw yesterday was being driven by a rather attractive young woman. Of course now most Democrats probably wouldn't buy one.

Edited November 29 by Yeah No

[Enigma X]

2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

They don't care. They think they are fighting a war.

That is awful. 

The thing with this teacher is they were just minding their own business (as with your client) and making a statement on how they were glad the person they were working with was respecting them as a human being, and now they are thrown in a harassment incident. This is not right!

[bluegirl147]

3 minutes ago, Enigma X said:

This is not right!

It doesn't help when their dear leader refers to people who doesn't fall in line with him as "the enemy within".   It's meant to be an intimidation tactic. To silence anyone that doesn't support him and his abhorrent policies. Do I think his mass deportation will happen?  Maybe. But even if it doesn't he has successfully terrified people.  Fear and cruelty is what he counts on.

[peacheslatour]

7 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Not even close to being the same thing. He's about to inherit the highest office in the land (again). He needs to be held to a far higher standard of professional and personal decorum .

Also, we have valid reasons to be upset. He doesn't. 

It's the weirdest thing, they've been trying to say "Dems Triggered!!11!" since 2016 but it hasn't ever really been true. About the most I've seen is medium eyerolling, laughing at them, and sheer embarrassment to be the same species. In fact the only ones I've triggered and losing their shiat at any scale is them.

It's like those vehicle stickers that say "Go cry if my opinions offended you" lol it's like, bruh we're just eyerolling at what an colossal idiot you look like with that. This is the logic from people who elected a monkey-IQ sex abuser reality-TV star to office.

[bluegirl147]

I don't need to make other people see my side.  I'm secure enough in my own beliefs I don't have to have them reinforced by trying to intimidate or bully people into agreeing with me. I don't need to wave big flags with my preferred candidate's name on it.  I don't need to join a parade of big trucks riding through town just because it's a Saturday and I want to show my support for a someone who is already in office. I will simply keep doing what I'm doing and hope there are brighter days ahead. And of course keep coming here and being with all you guys.

[peacheslatour]

Irony is dead.

 

[atomic]

He's not wrong about the US being cooked.

[bluegirl147]

9 minutes ago, atomic said:

He's not wrong about the US being cooked.

I thought it meant they were serving us up on a silver platter to whoever wants to fuck us over.

[Dimity]

14 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Four more years of this vicious, stupid shit, four more years of his boundless ignorance and bitter hatred - all vomited up on the regular.

This is what I will never understand.  Not everyone who voted for Trump, or who stayed home and didn't vote, are card carrying MAGA extremists.  What do these people think when they read this kind of mean spirited, well not even mean spirited, utter and complete viciousness.  Are they thinking 'now that's what I call presidential'?  Because if they are - wow.

[bluegirl147]

1 minute ago, Dimity said:

This is what I will never understand.  Not everyone who voted for Trump, or who stayed home and didn't vote, are card carrying MAGA extremists.  What do these people think when they read this kind of mean spirited, well not even mean spirited, utter and complete viciousness.  Are they thinking 'now that's what I call presidential'?  Because if they are - wow.

For some people it's the price they pay for tax cuts.  Or the promise of cheaper groceries.  For others they might not ever see or hear it.

[Dimity]

1 minute ago, bluegirl147 said:

For others they might not ever see or hear it.

I get that not everyone attended any of his Nuremberg Rallies and that they never see any of those tweets is somewhat understandable.  I mean I won't ever go on twitter and only see things if they are quoted elsewhere.  But is the mainstream media not covering this at all?  They bloody well should be.

[bluegirl147]

2 minutes ago, Dimity said:

But is the mainstream media not covering this at all?  They bloody well should be.

I don't really watch any mainstream media but if the network news is on when I'm making dinner I have never seen them say anything about his posts.  

[peacheslatour]

31 minutes ago, Dimity said:

This is what I will never understand.  Not everyone who voted for Trump, or who stayed home and didn't vote, are card carrying MAGA extremists.  What do these people think when they read this kind of mean spirited, well not even mean spirited, utter and complete viciousness.  Are they thinking 'now that's what I call presidential'?  Because if they are - wow.

“Why are you being so divisive? All I said was that your marriage to your husband is a mortal sin, your trans daughter is mentally ill, all her immigrant friends should be deported, and that I’m glad Trump is finally gonna do something about it,” said Craig Murray, puzzled why his message of love and unity was being received so poorly. “It’s really unfair to me that I can’t say anything that I want without any consequences, isn’t that what the First Amendment is all about? I wasn’t really going to call ICE, but now you’ve forced me to with your intolerance—congratulations on ruining Thanksgiving!”

[bluegirl147]

3 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

“It’s really unfair to me that I can’t say anything that I want without any consequences, isn’t that what the First Amendment is all about

If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say that.  They simply do not understand the First Amendment means the government can't stop you from saying something.  But if someone's family wants to tell another racist/bigoted/homophobic/transphobic asshole family member to fuck off they can do that.

[Bastet]

2 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

I thought it meant they were serving us up on a silver platter to whoever wants to fuck us over.

Yeah, that should have shown them serving us to Putin and Thiel.

[tearknee]

8 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

They don't care. They think they are fighting a war.

All political hues do, from the cell phone telepathy to the knight templars that don't care that Columbus was a harbinger not the cause.

[Ceindreadh]

13 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Really? How about TWO assassination attempts?

Alleged attempts.  I will be totally unsurprized if it eventually comes out that the first one was a setup. 

And the second one was what, some guy wandering around with a legally held weapon? 

[Ohiopirate02]

12 minutes ago, Ceindreadh said:

Alleged attempts.  I will be totally unsurprized if it eventually comes out that the first one was a setup. 

And the second one was what, some guy wandering around with a legally held weapon? 

I feel the same way about the first attempt. I base it on how thorough the secret service was back when GW Bush was president and was doing an event where my parents live. They did a whole recon on possible places for Bush to hang out between landing and the event which involved doing a background check on the cell phone tower on the roof of one of the local hotels that my dad maintained and also my dad. There's no way the SS assigned in Butler missed that roof and access to it.

[DXD526]

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One of the hospitals near us gets picketed now and then.  Usually a handful of old men who, apparently, have nothing better to do with their time. 

And whose diabetes drugs, and obesity drugs, and probably Viagra, we help pay for, while they blithely, self-righteously slut-shame.

[bluegirl147]

32 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I feel the same way about the first attempt. I base it on how thorough the secret service was back when GW Bush was president and was doing an event where my parents live. They did a whole recon on possible places for Bush to hang out between landing and the event which involved doing a background check on the cell phone tower on the roof of one of the local hotels that my dad maintained and also my dad. There's no way the SS assigned in Butler missed that roof and access to it.

This happened less than 100 miles from me. I know someone who knows a PA state trooper and local law enforcement thought the whole thing was suspicious. A former and current candidate for president had a bullet come within an inch of blowing his head off and it was news for less than a week and then it was onto the next news story. 

Speaking of assassinations Putin says Trump isn't safe.  Wonder if he knows something we don't know.

[FilmTVGeek80]

16 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

You mean like the majority of this thread?

If you’re sick and tired of any whining, you have pretty easy remedies - like not reading the posts that bother you so much. Unfortunately, those of us who can’t stand that orange gasbag don’t have such a simple solution. Even if we could manage not to hear or find out about so much of his BS, we can’t avoid feeling the effects of all of his dumb, catastrophic decisions.

14 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Really? How about TWO assassination attempts?

So what reasons did he have to whine INCESSANTLY before the “assassination attempts?”

24 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

This happened less than 100 miles from me. I know someone who knows a PA state trooper and local law enforcement thought the whole thing was suspicious. A former and current candidate for president had a bullet come within an inch of blowing his head off and it was news for less than a week and then it was onto the next news story. 

Speaking of assassinations Putin says Trump isn't safe.  Wonder if he knows something we don't know.

I don’t usually lean in to conspiracy theories, but I definitely have huge doubts -especially after the first incident. I will NEVER believe a coward like him would jump up if he had any fear his life was in danger. Why did they make people sign NDAs and threaten people at the hospital to keep everything secret? Why not release the medical records? Does any rational person believe part of his ear just miraculously grew back (leaving no scarring)?

[tearknee]

Somewhere, JFK is laughing bitterly.

[peacheslatour]

Tell me again how both sides are bad.

[Annber03]

16 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Really? How about TWO assassination attempts?

Again, not the first presidential candidate who's had assassination attempts against them. And with him, he's fostereed such a hateful, violent mentality and rhetoric, which emboldens psychos who want to go out and shoot somebody.  He could easily put a stop to those kinds of threats upon becoming president by pushing for and passing strict gun control, but we all know he won't. 

(To say nothing of how a lot of people think those attempts were staged or exaggerated - I don't subscribe to that, but the fact that people think they were says a lot right there about how unttrustworthy Trump is and how much of a nasty conspiracy vibe he's fostered over the past decade.)

Also, he flat out said that people just need to "get over" mass shootings, so if that's his attitude towards other people who've been the vicitms of mass shootings or lost loved ones to them...

But I dunno, call me when his reproductive rights are restricted/banned, or when he or his loved ones are under threat of deportation, or he has to be told which bathroom he's "allowed" to go intto, or he has people questioning whether he was really born here, or things of that sort. Call me when he actually winds up going to jail for any of his numerous crimes he's committed instead of being able to use money and the power of a Supreme Court that can magically make ti all go away and give him unlimited power. 

Then maybe we'll talk about how we should all feel so sorry for poor widdle put upon Trump. Truly, he has suffered so. 

At least people can avoid this particular thread if they're tired of our constant complaining. We don't exactly have that luxury when it comes to Trump's constant bitching and complaining. 

11 hours ago, Enigma X said:

To add more evidence to how creepy these particular people and many Musk and Trump fans are (because they are all doing what I am about to describe): there is a NYC teacher on Bluesky (not Twitter) whom I follow who, an hour ago, wrote a post stating how nice it was that they have a replacement coworker who is substituting for their coworker who normally is there but is now on maternity leave. This sub has respected their pronouns and is trans.

Well, a well-known local U.S. terrorist organization, who frequents social media that I will not name, took screenshots of their post, placed it on Twitter, and doxxed them (name, profile, etc.), basically calling for people to harass them. They have now deactivated their Bluesky profile. This is an obscene level of bullying that is going to get someone hurt.

That's horrifying. And heartbreaking. I hope both those teachers are keeping safe and can go about their jobs without any further incident. And I hope someone tracks down the assholes threatening to harass and doxx them and holds them accountable. 

[heatherchandler]

I’m at a loss.. I popped in and out when this thread opened and then kind of left when someone called a sexual assault survivor a liar.  But I popped in again today to see that this thread of (I thought) mostly kind, tolerant, accepting people devolve into people cheering on someone yelling “asshole” at someone with an ugly truck who maybe voted for Trump.  

[Annber03]

I stayed out of the "screaming at someone with an ugly truck" conversation myself, but I just want to repeat once again that, speaking on a general level,we do not have to be kind or tolerant or accepting towards people who actively are trying to take away our and other people's basic civil and human rights. Or who already have done so (see all the abortion bans). 

If somebody really does not get why we are legitimately angry about that and those who support that, to the point of not bothering to have anything nice to say about or to people who voted for that, then I truly don't know what to tell them. If people aren't going to be kind or accepting or tolerant of us, then they don't get to be surprised or shocked if people respond and treat them the same way in turn. That whole pesky Golden Rule thing, and all that. 

[FilmTVGeek80]

1 hour ago, heatherchandler said:

I’m at a loss.. I popped in and out when this thread opened and then kind of left when someone called a sexual assault survivor a liar.  But I popped in again today to see that this thread of (I thought) mostly kind, tolerant, accepting people devolve into people cheering on someone yelling “asshole” at someone with an ugly truck who maybe voted for Trump.  

You're at a loss over what? Some people are making a mountain out of a molehill. She didn't jump out of the car and beat someone up. She yelled an obscenity - and not even directly at the person.

[Annber03]

6 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

This happened less than 100 miles from me. I know someone who knows a PA state trooper and local law enforcement thought the whole thing was suspicious. A former and current candidate for president had a bullet come within an inch of blowing his head off and it was news for less than a week and then it was onto the next news story. 

Speaking of assassinations Putin says Trump isn't safe.  Wonder if he knows something we don't know.

Continuing on with this topic, I mean, if we're really going to get into discussions about this, let's look at all the politicians whose lives were in danger on January 6th when Trump's supporters were storming the Capitol. His supporters literally had a fucking gallows with a noose set up outside for the vice president, all because Pence was not going to give in to attempts to deny Biden his rightful win. And every other politician who wasn't going to go along with this attempted coup was hiding out to try and escape this terrifying mob that was running rampant through the Capitol and destroying people's offices and smearing feces and other stuff all over the walls and running around with Confederate flags.

Trump's response to all of that? Nothing. No attempts to stop it, no public appearance to calm the crowd and tell them to peacefully disperse, none of that. He just sat in his office and watched it all play out. Didn't matter to him that people's lives were in danger, all he cared about was that people were fighting on behalf of him over something that he knew full well was a lie. 

And yet, all the Democrats who went through that hellish nightmare, and hell, Pence himself, for that matter, haven't gone on to behave on social media the way Trump has. 

Also, one of Trump's own supporters was actually shot and killed at the site of the first assassionation attempt, and Trump..never once said anything about it. Never offered condolences to the family, never spoke reverently of the man who died, never took a moment to express some remorse for the rhetoric that riled up a guy to the point of taking up a gun and shooting at people or asked his own supporters to ease up on their own violent rhetoric and behavior.

And yet we're supposed to somehow feel bad for Trump himself, and be kind and tolerant and accepting towards the people who watched January 6th play out and still voted him back into office...why again? 

Edited November 30 by Annber03

[MostlyContent]

4 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Also, one of Trump's own supporters was actually shot and killed at the site of the first assassionation attempt, and Trump..never once said anything about it. Never offered condolences to the family, never spoke reverently of the man who died

This is so untrue, as are so many things stated as the Gospel Truth in this thread. 

Annber, all I can say is please do a little research.   I'm sure you didn't mean to spread untruths, but maybe your news sources are a bit suspect.  

 

[Blergh]

A couple of things:

One is that while it can be factually stated that the majority of registered voters did NOT for #45, it would be inaccurate if not presumptuous for ANY candidate to attempt to claim that the majority (or any) of nonvoting registered voters would have voted for them. Regardless of any polls' after the fact claims, for all anyone knows at least some them might have stayed away from the polls due to Bugs Bunny not being on the ballot (regardless of the seriousness and importance of voting).

There is a bright side to all this: at least now folks won't be so hesitant to believe that not everyone's MOs are for positive or even logical reasons.

[Soapy Goddess]

19 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

Nobody forced him to run for president again (or in the first place), and nobody forced him to be an asshole.

So you're saying it's okay if either attempt succeeded? That's pretty sick IMO.

9 hours ago, Ceindreadh said:

Alleged attempts.

Alleged?!! Do you realize that the bullet meant for DJT actually KILLED someone?

[tearknee]

*No one* is objective about *themselves* (*) and poli-social activists do not represent the marginalized communities that they purport to as most people are apolitical and do not go to college -- the intellectual elite is still an elite.

* - "authentic lived experiences" never made sense to me -- the experiences themselves, yes -- but *not* how the person interprets their experiences to themselves or how they re-interpret them to other people.

17 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

So you're saying it's okay if either attempt succeeded? That's pretty sick IMO.

Alleged?!! Do you realize that the bullet meant for DJT actually KILLED someone?

As i alluded to earlier about the knight templars on one end and cell phone telepathy believers on the other? 

[Soapy Goddess]

6 minutes ago, tearknee said:

As i alluded to earlier about the knight templars on one end and cell phone telepathy believers on the other? 

I have no idea what you're talking about. 

[anony.miss]

3 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

She didn't jump out of the car and beat someone up.

... if she had done someting violent and criminally liable, Trump would've nominated her for a cabinet position.

Edited November 30 by anony.miss

[tearknee]

I was agreeing with you on the "Trump shoot was teh fawlse fwag!" post given that -- as you point out -- an innocent person died.

The knight templars are the hard left activists who post "f*ck Columbus!"all over the web on Thanksgiving and they are the direct counterparts of those on the hard right who believe in cell phones beaming messages into their head

 

As  I pointed out upthread - Columbus was a harbinger, not the cause

[Makai]

3 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

But I popped in again today to see that this thread of (I thought) mostly kind, tolerant, accepting people devolve into people cheering on someone yelling “asshole” at someone with an ugly truck who maybe voted for Trump.  

I didn’t see cheering but most people reacting with empathy and compassion to the underlying emotions that led to that response mixed with humor over just how ugly the cybertrucks are. I just don’t see any value in shaming someone who admits that it was probably the wrong choice. If it was the other driver posting I think the reaction would have been very different. 

[Soapy Goddess]

3 minutes ago, Makai said:

I didn’t see cheering but most people reacting with empathy and compassion to the underlying emotions that led to that response

Maybe not cheering, per se, but a LOT of support. 

And why is it that you all have empathy & compassion for someone who yells an irrational slur at a perfect stranger (admittedly or not), and yet you all have ZERO tolerance for the few Primetimers that are trying to hold a civil conversation with you all? (using the words "you all" as the collective you). 

[anony.miss]

1 hour ago, Makai said:

I just don’t see any value in shaming someone who admits that it was probably the wrong choice.

I agree. Trying to shame people for expressing complicated emotions, in a thread devoted to that purpose, is not going to lead to anything productive.

It also doesn't make sense to me on the scale of moral issues needing to be confronted. Trump called for Liz Cheney to face "nine barrels shooting at her" and was elected president, but a poster writes a dry comment about a cybertruck driver and her spontaneous contempt for Musk/Trump, and suddenly, that's the problem? And those of us who understood why she felt that way - we're also the issue needing to be addressed?  Not the convicted felon and sexual batterer who has repeatedly promised violence against his enemies, but us.  I just don't live in that universe. I don't extend hollow niceties to the Trumps of the world. I give them what they've earned, fair and square;  scorn and contempt.

Edited November 30 by anony.miss

[tearknee]

If anyone thinks "Maga gave Trump the victory" -- that's comforting but nothing more.

Many of the people who gave DJT the presidency from Jan 20 were not MAGA.

Perhaps. that may be even more chilling.

[Makai]

1 hour ago, Soapy Goddess said:

And why is it that you all have empathy & compassion for someone who yells an irrational slur at a perfect stranger (admittedly or not), and yet you all have ZERO tolerance for the few Primetimers that are trying to hold a civil conversation with you all? (using the words "you all" as the collective you). 

I am going to answer this in general to avoid making assumptions about posters. Empathy and compassion is a two way street and have not felt either of those things from those I know are MAGA. I find that most just want their opinions to be blindly accepted even if those opinions demean or hurt me or people I care about. 

I can’t speak for anyone else by I have never aimed to be tolerant. I find the concept to be patronizing. If someone posts something I disagree with, I will either respond with why I disagree or ignore it. There are some opinions that I find fundamental incompatible with what I value and Trump aligns with nearly every one of them.

Edited November 30 by Makai

[Dimity]

2 hours ago, anony.miss said:

... if she had done someting violent and criminally liable, Trump would've nominated her for a cabinet position.

The difference between the reactions to an election loss are epic. Harris graciously conceded defeat and her supporters are sad, scared and worried but none have been violent. Based on 2020 does anyone here believe Trump would have conceded? That he wouldn't have tried AGAIN to overthrow the government? That his base wouldn't have reacted with violence?  

[bluegirl147]

The right always reacts with disbelief and indignation when anyone does any sort of fuck you to them. Remember the woman riding her bike who flipped the bird to Trump's motorcade during his first term?  They acted like she had committed treason.

But participating in an insurrection is just a strolling tour through the Capitol.

[Dimity]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

But participating in an insurrection is just a strolling tour through the Capitol.

Essentially those who voted for Trump this time around either believed he was right in trying to overthrow the government in 2020 or they knew he was wrong but didn't care when push came to shove.   But sure, let's get our knickers in a twist because people are gathering on a message board to commiserate peacefully.  Clearly that's the true affront to democracy.

[partofme]

8 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Also, one of Trump's own supporters was actually shot and killed at the site of the first assassionation

Also wanted to point out that both “assassination attempts” were done by Trump supporters. 

[peacheslatour]

9 minutes ago, partofme said:

Also wanted to point out that both “assassination attempts” were done by Trump supporters. 

He's such a rabble rouser and he makes his supporters so angry at everything and everyone, they just have to shoot someone, even if it's Dear Leader.

[Ohiopirate02]

20 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

He's such a rabble rouser and he makes his supporters so angry at everything and everyone, they just have to shoot someone, even if it's Dear Leader.

And then Trump used the Butler attempt in a campaign ad saying it was Biden's fault. 

[Dimity]

12 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

And then Trump used the Butler attempt in a campaign ad saying it was Biden's fault. 

Biden and Harris both reached out to Trump with concern and sympathy after the attempt.  Does anyone think for one minute Trump  would have done the same if the positions had been reversed?  I don't.

[peacheslatour]

12 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Biden and Harris both reached out to Trump with concern and sympathy after the attempt.  Does anyone think for one minute Trump  would have done the same if the positions had been reversed?  I don't.

If he had, he would have made it all about him.