S04.E03: Halloween 4:The Witch

[Bastet]

It didn't happen in this episode, so shouldn't be discussed in this thread.

There's a spoilers & speculation thread (in which discussion of this future plot point already exists, so it's easily continued there).

Edited November 3 by Bastet

[Zaffy]

I quite like the Patience addition, dunno why, but she cracks me up.
I didn't want her to leave the house, maybe keep and show her in small doses, like the headless ghost.

[Chit Chat]

6 minutes ago, Bastet said:

It didn't happen in this episode, so shouldn't be discussed in this thread.  There's a spoilers & speculation thread.

Maybe it should be in the media thread, as it is neither a spoiler nor speculation.   :)

[SoMuchTV]

1 hour ago, Skooma said:

But I guess no mods around here, no protection from spoilers these days alas.

There are no longer mods dedicated to specific shows but you can definitely report posts that don’t belong in the episode thread and ask a mod to move them. I’ve definitely done that on more than one occasion. Generally if you flag the post where things start to go off track, they do a good job of sorting what needs to be moved or deleted. 

2 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

Maybe it should be in the media thread, as it is neither a spoiler nor speculation.   :)

I’d say that the teaser itself should be in the media thread, but the ensuing discussion about how it might play out would be best in spoilers/speculation. 

[Nialla]

15 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

Maybe it should be in the media thread, as it is neither a spoiler nor speculation.   :)

It's a spoiler in this thread. Didn’t happen in this episode, so it’s a spoiler for a future episode plot.

[Chit Chat]

On 11/1/2024 at 12:48 AM, kathyk2 said:

Flower was so funny thinking that they were selling the yard.

She had to say goodbye to every blade of grass!!  

[Skooma]

1 hour ago, SoMuchTV said:

There are no longer mods dedicated to specific shows but you can definitely report posts that don’t belong in the episode thread and ask a mod to move them. I’ve definitely done that on more than one occasion. Generally if you flag the post where things start to go off track, they do a good job of sorting what needs to be moved or deleted.

Yeah but by then it is too late.  I'm already spoiled.  Also I don't like reporting people.  Makes me feel like a snitch.

[SoMuchTV]

Just now, Skooma said:

Yeah but by then it is too late.  I'm already spoiled.  Also I don't like reporting people.  Makes me feel like a snitch.

I guess I see it differently. At least I can keep future readers from being spoiled.  And at least sometimes, I can skim enough to know I shouldn’t keep reading a particular post. 

I don’t know. Maybe the mods cringe when they see my username reporting a yet another post, or maybe it’s overall helpful. I guess all we can do is  use this site the best we can within the guidelines we’re given. 

And now I’ve taken things even further off topic so I should probably report myself ;)

[ams1001]

2 hours ago, Chit Chat said:

She had to say goodbye to every blade of grass!!  

And they all had names! I'm sure Steve will miss her!

[Chit Chat]

Poor Flower!  To have to walk around stoned all of the time is a bit of a curse!  

I loved the look on Alberta's face when Patience told them she was going back to the dirt.  They all tried to look shocked and sad, but Alberta's "whatttttt?" really struck me as funny.  

I wish we could've seen more of Patiences' dancing!  Reminded me of some of the Peanuts cartoon characters dancing!  Isaac really had her going by telling her they were going to "bear witness" to the TV program!  Yes, to bear witness!!

[Bastet]

2 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

Poor Flower!  To have to walk around stoned all of the time is a bit of a curse!

I think it's great; they all have to endure this ghost existence for however long it takes them to get sucked off, if they ever do, but she can barely remember anything from one moment to the next, so the passage of decades/centuries/millennia doesn't feel as long to her as it does to the rest.

7 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

Isaac really had her going by telling her they were going to "bear witness" to the TV program! 

It looked/sounded like a reality show -- was it a real one, or one made up for the show (like the one Thor and Sass got hooked on [at least, dear gods, I hope "It's Getting Hot in Here" was a fictional show])?

[Chit Chat]

10 minutes ago, Bastet said:

I think it's great; they all have to endure this ghost existence for however long it takes them to get sucked off, if they ever do, but she can barely remember anything from one moment to the next, so the passage of decades/centuries/millennia doesn't feel as long to her as it does to the rest.

The downside is when she forgets how to walk and chew gum at the same time (figuratively speaking) and chases a butterfly into a well, then gets rescued and turns around almost does it again! She's a danger to herself!  Hopefully Thorfin will keep a closer eye on her now!

[kathyk2]

22 minutes ago, Bastet said:

I think it's great; they all have to endure this ghost existence for however long it takes them to get sucked off, if they ever do, but she can barely remember anything from one moment to the next, so the passage of decades/centuries/millennia doesn't feel as long to her as it does to the rest.

It looked/sounded like a reality show -- was it a real one, or one made up for the show (like the one Thor and Sass got hooked on [at least, dear gods, I hope "It's Getting Hot in Here" was a fictional show])?

I think Flower's spaciness protects her from some painful memories. She repressed the loss of her fiancée and her guilt and not seeing her brother.

[Annber03]

I also like that, for as spaced out as she can often be, Flower can also be more perceptive than others think/realize. I like the moments when she can use her spacey demeanor to her benefit, as a shield or as a way to try and mess with the others. She knows people can often dismiss and underestimate her because of how out there she can be, so it's fun when she gets to play that up when needed. 

[Chit Chat]

3 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

She knows people can often dismiss and underestimate her because of how out there she can be, so it's fun when she gets to play that up when needed. 

The sweetest moment was after Flower was rescued from the well and she tried to comfort Hetty by telling her a secret about herself (one she's told many times), and Hetty said to her "it's good to have you back, Flower."   I thought that was a nice moment between them.  

[Annber03]

Just now, Chit Chat said:

The sweetest moment was after Flower was rescued from the well and she tried to comfort Hetty by telling her a secret about herself (one she's told many times), and Hetty said to her "it's good to have you back, Flower."   I thought that was a nice moment between them.  

I loved that moment, too. I like how Hetty was speaking for the audience as much as she was herself in that moment. 

[ItCouldBeWorse]

On 11/1/2024 at 5:41 PM, Chit Chat said:

Alberta needs to come up with a good prank to get even with Thor for his constant 'ugly tiny hat' comment to her!

I didn't understand why he didn't create some thunder before Jay sold Sam. He knows Thor has that power, and it wasn't a rainy day, so that should have made him realize the ghosts were trying to contact him. Oops. As reminded belie by Annber03, that's not Thor's power.

On 11/1/2024 at 10:10 PM, possibilities said:

Alberta can also talk to Alexa, right?

This, too.

On 11/1/2024 at 6:11 PM, shura said:

Curiously, she jumped right in and sentenced Sam to petrification without any apparent divine input.

Yes, that's a pretty specific sentence unless she had petrified someone or something before. Her later explanation made no sense.

 

Edited November 3 by ItCouldBeWorse

[Annber03]

22 minutes ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

I didn't understand why he didn't create some thunder before Jay sold Sam. He knows Thor has that power, and it wasn't a rainy day, so that should have made him realize the ghosts were trying to contact him.

He can't create thunder, that's not part of his power. He can only control the lights and make them flicker. 

[shura]

20 hours ago, iMonrey said:

It would be interesting to know how she rationalizes that. The Puritan next door seemed to throw all his convictions right out the window after becoming a ghost. I don't know what the typical Puritan belief was about ghosts. If they believed in purgatory maybe that's where she thinks she is.

As @PaulE said in the post that seems to have fallen victim to the Great Spoiler Panic of 2024, the Puritans’ view on the idea of purgatory was a hard no.  One went straight to either heaven or hell after death. So I imagine they probably would view ghosts as Satan’s associates of some sort, since clearly the deceased was not a good enough Christian to go to heaven and at the same time did not stay in hell for what must only be a nefarious reason.

But then imagine - Patience dies, looks around and sees that she is a ghost.  And she knows that she has been pious to the most and is most definitely not in cahoots with the devil.  So yes, one must reevaluate some previous beliefs in light of new evidence, just like the Farnsby’s Puritan did (well, not quite to that extent, that guy has reevaluated everything).  Maybe that’s why being a ghost is okay in Patience’s book.  They are good people!  But Sam’s ability to talk to them is still unnatural and therefore unholy, I suppose.

[iMonrey]

14 hours ago, Chit Chat said:

Poor Flower!  To have to walk around stoned all of the time is a bit of a curse!

I think she's actually on acid. She does that thing with her hands (waving them around in front of her face) sometimes, which people on acid do because they see trails. She could have been smoking pot too, but the effects of LSD would supersede any effects of marijuana. (I've heard. ahem. )

14 hours ago, Bastet said:

It looked/sounded like a reality show -- was it a real one, or one made up for the show (like the one Thor and Sass got hooked on [at least, dear gods, I hope "It's Getting Hot in Here" was a fictional show])?

It looked like a parody of Selling Sunset. Not the actual show.

[Lugal]

On 11/1/2024 at 3:11 PM, shura said:

So, in Patience’s Puritan legal framework, it is a crime to talk to ghosts, but being a ghost (instead of, I don’t know, going straight to heaven) is okay?  Huh.

That sounds about right for Patience.  She's that rigid that it is the work of the devil for Sam to talk to ghosts (and the toast thing), even if Patience is herself one of the said ghosts.

On 11/2/2024 at 5:36 AM, Skooma said:

I wonder if the actor playing Sass had another gig he was doing or something personal came up for this episode.  They said in the past that they wouldn't ever rotate the regulars out like in early season 1 in episodes so it certainly wouldn't have anything to do with economics or anything like that.

I think it may have been more of a matter of not knowing what to do with Sass in the episode.  European witch beliefs probably don't map too easily into a Lenape framework (Even Thor calling Sam a völva lacks condemnation since it's translated just as much to seeress as it's translated to witch and just does kind of describe her). And if anyone can talk the others out of it, it would be Sass.  I was hoping he would turn up at the end and say how he was smelling the food in the kitchen and ask if he missed anything.

Anyone else feel for the Vietnam Vet Ghost?  Poor guy survives the war, thinks he has a quiet farm upstate only to die and have someone move in who blows shit up all the time.

[shapeshifter]

3 minutes ago, Lugal said:

Anyone else feel for the Vietnam Vet Ghost?  Poor guy survives the war, thinks he has a quiet farm upstate only to die and have someone move in who blows shit up all the time.

😦😩

If Flower walks through a Living or vice versa, the Living person starts tripping, right? Could that work for Patience too? Might give her a new perspective.

[Maelstrom]

34 minutes ago, Lugal said:

And if anyone can talk the others out of it, it would be Sass.  I was hoping he would turn up at the end and say how he was smelling the food in the kitchen and ask if he missed anything.

As Flower would say, the lack of Sass in this ep was a real bummer, man. In my mind, he somehow won a full day's worth of "sitting in the shaft of sunlight" rights, and spent the entire episode upstairs enjoying the sun and the relative quiet. I can imagine Thor's summary of the day when Sass turns back up:

"Patience put Sam on trial, and we voted her a witch. Then she turned into statue and small man sold her to strange man who nearly exploded her, and then her head fell off, and oh! You must watch video with watermelon, is very good! Patience went back into dirt, and Sam no longer statue. Was fun day."

 

Edited November 3 by Maelstrom

[Chit Chat]

2 hours ago, Lugal said:

That sounds about right for Patience.  She's that rigid that it is the work of the devil for Sam to talk to ghosts (and the toast thing), even if Patience is herself one of the said ghosts.

At this point, Patience is very confused with what's going on around her.  It's no wonder she's so conflicted about everything!  Maybe she can sort things out better without all of the temptation around her, but she might come back in order to "bear witness!"  I think she's going to figure out that she likes dancing.  :)

[Mod-Tigerkatze]

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[iMonrey]

17 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

If Flower walks through a Living or vice versa, the Living person starts tripping, right? Could that work for Patience too? Might give her a new perspective.

No, it doesn't work on other ghosts. The ghosts can actually touch each other (and do other things). They don't "walk through" each other the way they do with walls and doors, or the way livings walk through them. They're solid to each other.

[Ilovepie]

On 11/1/2024 at 8:47 AM, proserpina65 said:

At least it wasn't the Jardiance one, lol.

I feel like Patience would relate to the Shingrix commercial: SHINGLES DOESN'T CARE! 😂

I am glad this Patience arc is over. 

I love anytime the ghosts interact with Jay without Sam as a go-between. 

[iMonrey]

3 hours ago, Ilovepie said:

I love anytime the ghosts interact with Jay without Sam as a go-between. 

Yes - the minute Jay gets a text from his own iPhone he knows it's from Trevor. And asking the ghosts what they they thought of the underrated Amy Schumer movie, knowing they cannot answer him and without any idea who was there (unless Sam had been there at some point and told him who was watching with him.)

I bet Trevor is glad Jay isn't calling him "No Pants" anymore.

[mojito]

On 11/1/2024 at 5:11 PM, shura said:

So, in Patience’s Puritan legal framework, it is a crime to talk to ghosts, but being a ghost (instead of, I don’t know, going straight to heaven) is okay?  Huh.

Oh, I'm sure she can go with that "God's will" and "He must have a special plan for me" crap. 

[Chit Chat]

Even though Patience was a bit creepy with her ghost power and yelling her name the way she did, she's just lonely and wants some friends.  She said as much to Isaac and Sass (at least the part about never having had any friends).  

I'm hoping that she'll eventually get sucked off and be free of the dirt!  

[tennisgurl]

Well, that certainly sounded ominous. Who are the "others" exactly? Who else is wondering around in the dirt out there? Patience is creepy enough, who else has she got out there?

Sam and Jay really should have gotten that stuff appraised instead of dumping it out at a yard sale, but its at least consistent with their financial choices. Those leashes are for penguins and made WITH penguins! They have to be worth something. I have been saying since episode one that they should lean into the houses colorful history (which they have first hand accounts of) but sadly they never listen to me as I talk to the screen while my cats look at me funny.

I guessed pretty quickly that Sam wasn't really the statue, but I did enjoy everyone freaking out over it, and it led to some nice Sam and Jay moments. 

 I always enjoy when jay tries to interact with the ghosts even when Sam isn't around and he cant see or hear them, especially when he went off to get Sam with Pete. "Why do I even bother?" 

Poor Vietnam ghost, imagine surviving two tours in Vietnam and spending your eternity with some moron who blows stuff up every day? He seems to be doing ok at least. "I fought for that mans right to marry a statue."

Edited November 5 by tennisgurl

[kathyk2]

2 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

Well, that certainly sounded ominous. Who are the "others" exactly? Who else is wondering around in the dirt out there? Patience is creepy enough, who else has she got out there?

Sam and Jay really should have gotten that stuff appraised instead of dumping it out at a yard sale, but its at least consistent with their financial choices. Those leashes are for penguins and made WITH penguins! They have to be worth something. I have been saying since episode one that they should lean into the houses colorful history (which they have first hand accounts of) but sadly they never listen to me as I talk to the screen while my cats look at me funny.

I guessed pretty quickly that Sam wasn't really the statue, but I did enjoy everyone freaking out over it, and it led to some nice Sam and Jay moments. 

 I always enjoy when jay tries to interact with the ghosts even when Sam isn't around and he cant see or hear them, especially when he went off to get Sam with Pete. "Why do I even bother?" 

Poor Vietnam ghost, imagine surviving two tours in Vietnam and spending your eternity with some moron who blows stuff up every day? He seems to be doing ok at least. "I fought for that mans right to marry a statue."

They should get Hetty's portrait appraised it should be expensive. I'm surprised Sam's cousin David didn't sell things to buy drugs.

[shapeshifter]

3 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

I guessed pretty quickly that Sam wasn't really the statue, but I did enjoy everyone freaking out over it, and it led to some nice Sam and Jay moments. 

I assume that's exactly the audience response the show creators were going for.
They could have easily made the statue look like it really was Sam by either doing a cast of her face, or, more likely these days, by stereographic photography, probably further enhanced by Photoshop's (or other software) AI add-ons.
But the statue was just Sam-like, not a replica. 
So we were all (or, at least, most of us?) just waiting for the punchline/reveal that it was not Sam turned to stone.

[kathyk2]

7 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I assume that's exactly the audience response the show creators were going for.
They could have easily made the statue look like it really was Sam by either doing a cast of her face, or, more likely these days, by stereographic photography, probably further enhanced by Photoshop's (or other software) AI add-ons.
But the statue was just Sam-like, not a replica. 
So we were all (or, at least, most of us?) just waiting for the punchline/reveal that it was not Sam turned to stone.

I think the ghosts are really gullible. They let Shephanie talk them into tricking Sam. Patience convinced them they had the ability to turn Sam to stone. 

[chaifan]

A little late to the game - missed the episode last week, and had to wait 7 days before I could watch it on cbs.com.  Grrrr...

I still feel something's off about the writing this season.  Pete is just weird and creepy most of the time.  The "daddy" stuff with Sam, still hitting on Alberta... it's just not funny.  His stone jokes were funny, though.  I don't feel the cast is clicking like they did in the past 3 seasons.  And the ghosts are super protective of Sam - I don't buy them thinking Patience's trial was a "joke" and them convicting her of being a witch.  

I'm glad Patience was short term.  I think that has a lot to do with my feeling that this season is off.  My guess is the "others" will show up on the season finale.

It's weird when just one ghost is absent.  It would have made more sense to have Thor gone, too, and some line about them being off exploring something or other on the property.  Or a guy's weekend in the shed.  

I know it's a comedy, but I hate it when they make Sam and/or Jay out to be just stupid.  They've been in the house 3+ years, they're broke, and they've never had someone come out and appraise all the antiques???  I know they made money off of selling Elias's watch, and figured that would be a reasonable explanation as to how they keep the manor going - every 6 months or so they sell off a valuable painting or something.  

Regency dress - Hetty should have said it was her mother's, and then commented to Sam how much she resembled her mother in it.  Then it would make sense that Hetty commissioned a statue of her mother, and that it looked like Sam.  Sam could have also commented that the statue was the inspiration for the costume/hair, which is why it looked like her.

Ballroom - It's quite possible the ballroom is on the 3rd floor.  That was very common for houses of a slightly later date (late 1800's, early 1900's).  Storage rooms, like Stephanie's, would be along the perimeter, but the center area would be one big space.  

Are they really not going to do anything else with the Egyptian mummy???

 

[iMonrey]

17 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

They should get Hetty's portrait appraised it should be expensive.

It might not be worth anything if neither the subject nor the artist are well known.

27 minutes ago, chaifan said:

Ballroom - It's quite possible the ballroom is on the 3rd floor. 

There doesn't appear to be three floors from the exterior shots of the house.

9 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

I think the ghosts are really gullible. They let Shephanie talk them into tricking Sam. Patience convinced them they had the ability to turn Sam to stone.

And don't forget the Nigerian prince!

[shapeshifter]

55 minutes ago, chaifan said:

I still feel something's off about the writing this season.  Pete is just weird and creepy most of the time.  The "daddy" stuff with Sam, still hitting on Alberta... it's just not funny. 

I've noticed Pete's cringy behavior too. Hopefully it's going somewhere and will lead to character development.

[mojito]

I'm sorry to see Patience go so soon. I would've liked to see her reaction to modern life, and would love to see her hanging around with Hetty, Sass, and Alberta. Of course, there's nothing like seeing her boogeying to commercial music. 

[Annber03]

2 hours ago, chaifan said:

And the ghosts are super protective of Sam - I don't buy them thinking Patience's trial was a "joke" and them convicting her of being a witch.  

They are, but they've also had no problem messing with her in the past. Hetty and Sasappis tried to encourage her to let Thor keep possessing her at Christmas so that he could experience all the fun stuff he can't do as a ghost. Trevor, Flower, and Pete were willing to send Sam and Jay's money to help what they legit thought was a Nigerian prince. Sam told them not to bug her at last season's Halloween party and so they took that literally, to the point where they didn't tell her Carol was dead and just watched her flail about. 

And so on. They only went along with this trial because they were bummed that Halloween was cancelled and so they just wanted to do something fun. I can totally see them thinking it was just a silly joke at first and playing along just for the hell of it. 

[chaifan]

3 hours ago, iMonrey said:

There doesn't appear to be three floors from the exterior shots of the house.

There's a third level with the dormer windows.  This is the attic, but is also likely a full 3rd floor.  I see this in the larger houses in my area that were built late 1800's and early 1900's.  You wouldn't know from the outside that there were ballrooms up there, but there are.  They've now mostly been sectioned off into more bedrooms or bathrooms.  But some people I know still have a ballroom up there.

[PaulE]

4 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

5 hours ago, chaifan said:

I still feel something's off about the writing this season.  Pete is just weird and creepy most of the time.  The "daddy" stuff with Sam, still hitting on Alberta... it's just not funny. 

I've noticed Pete's cringy behavior too. Hopefully it's going somewhere and will lead to character development.

Yeah, that was a little puzzling, wasn't it?  It seemed so out of character for him. He's dorky, not creepy.  I can imagine that, having been robbed too soon of being a father to his daughter, he might still have raging dad hormones, even as a ghost, but with Sam?  I agree it might be going somewhere eventually.

[Skooma]

I thought the first floor was basically the ballroom.  If there were people over to be entertained the first floor was where they would be.  Add music and you have an instant ballroom.

[kathyk2]

1 hour ago, PaulE said:

Yeah, that was a little puzzling, wasn't it?  It seemed so out of character for him. He's dorky, not creepy.  I can imagine that, having been robbed too soon of being a father to his daughter, he might still have raging dad hormones, even as a ghost, but with Sam?  I agree it might be going somewhere eventually.

I think Pete may have a bit of a dark side. We saw a flashback to when he got angry with Carol while he was playing with Laura. He made it sound like he and Carol weren't intimate while she said they had a healthy sex life.

[Annber03]

Plus, the "daddy" thing was mainly just to show how clueless Pete tends to be about a lot of that stuff in general. He was happy to be friendzoned by Alberta. He asked if strippers made house calls when they were trying to find someone for Isaac's bachelor party. So this tracks with that general cluelessness.

Also, consdiering it's probably 50/50 chances Laura ever sets foot back on the property given BOTH her parents have now died there, Pete going overboard with wanting to be a father figure to Sam makes sense on that level, too. 

[shapeshifter]

6 hours ago, chaifan said:

I still feel something's off about the writing this season.  Pete is just weird and creepy most of the time.  The "daddy" stuff with Sam, still hitting on Alberta... it's just not funny. 

5 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I've noticed Pete's cringy behavior too. Hopefully it's going somewhere and will lead to character development.

1 hour ago, PaulE said:

Yeah, that was a little puzzling, wasn't it?  It seemed so out of character for him. He's dorky, not creepy.  I can imagine that, having been robbed too soon of being a father to his daughter, he might still have raging dad hormones, even as a ghost, but with Sam?  I agree it might be going somewhere eventually.

Ooo. Maybe Pete's being influenced during his outings to Home Depot and elsewhere! That would explain it. If so, I wonder where the story arc will take him.

 

1 minute ago, Annber03 said:

Also, consdiering it's probably 50/50 chances Laura ever sets foot back on the property given BOTH her parents have now died there, Pete going overboard with wanting to be a father figure to Sam makes sense on that level, too. 

Oh. That's more likely!

[kathyk2]

4 hours ago, mojito said:

I'm sorry to see Patience go so soon. I would've liked to see her reaction to modern life, and would love to see her hanging around with Hetty, Sass, and Alberta. Of course, there's nothing like seeing her boogeying to commercial music. 

I don't think Patience is gone for good. The show has made such a big deal over her joining the cast and the actress is friends with Brandon.

[Annber03]

Yeah, this show doesn't get rid of characters just for the hell of it. If they could bring back Carol and keep her on as a ghost, after all, then Patience is certainly not going anywhere, either. Literally the only way a character would leave this show for good is if the actor chose to do so for whatever reason. 

Which is why it continues to amuse me how some people seem so eager to see a ghost get sucked off and so certain that it'll surely happen to one of the main characters or one of the more notable recurring ones someday at some point (or believed that Flower got sucked off for real last season). Again, unless they choose to leave, that's just...not happening. And given this is supposed to be a lighthearted sitcom and losing any one of the main eight for good, or even one of the more notable recurring characters for good, would have an upsetting impact on the others to varying degrees, I'm fine with it not happening. 

Edited November 6 by Annber03

[shapeshifter]

3 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Yeah, this show doesn't get rid of characters just for the hell of it. If they could bring back Carol and keep her on as a ghost, after all, then Patience is certainly not going anywhere, either. Literally the only way a character would leave this show for good is if the actor chose to do so for whatever reason. 

Which is why it continues to amuse me how some people seem so eager to see a ghost get sucked off and so certain that it'll surely happen to one of the main characters or one of the more notable recurring ones someday at some point (or believed that Flower got sucked off for real last season). Again, unless they choose to leave, that's just...not happening. And given this is supposed to be a lighthearted sitcom and losing any one of the main eight for good, or even one of the more notable recurring characters for good, would have an upsetting impact on the others to varying degrees, I'm fine with it not happening. 

Now I'm wondering if Richie Moriarty (Pete) wants to leave for some reason, and that's why they gave him the power to literally leave the Woodstone property. 
What was the caveat with that power?
Regardless, it could just have been intended to explain why he's not in an episode from time to time.

[Annber03]

I think it's just a way for the show to expand beyond the limits of the house more than anything. Allowing one of the ghosts a chance to explore the world at large gives them more story potential. 

[ItCouldBeWorse]

On 11/3/2024 at 4:56 PM, Lugal said:

I think it may have been more of a matter of not knowing what to do with Sass in the episode.  European witch beliefs probably don't map too easily into a Lenape framework (Even Thor calling Sam a völva lacks condemnation since it's translated just as much to seeress as it's translated to witch and just does kind of describe her). And if anyone can talk the others out of it, it would be Sass.  I was hoping he would turn up at the end and say how he was smelling the food in the kitchen and ask if he missed anything.

I wish they would have given an explanation for why he was missing, like he lost a bet and now has to do xxx for 24 hours, or something.  Otherwise, we might think he fell in a well!

8 hours ago, chaifan said:

It's weird when just one ghost is absent.  It would have made more sense to have Thor gone, too, and some line about them being off exploring something or other on the property.  Or a guy's weekend in the shed.  

Yes, because no one mentioned Sas's absence, I kept waiting for him to turn up at some crucial point.

On 11/3/2024 at 5:30 PM, Maelstrom said:

As Flower would say, the lack of Sass in this ep was a real bummer, man. In my mind, he somehow won a full day's worth of "sitting in the shaft of sunlight" rights, and spent the entire episode upstairs enjoying the sun and the relative quiet. I can imagine Thor's summary of the day when Sass turns back up:

"Patience put Sam on trial, and we voted her a witch. Then she turned into statue and small man sold her to strange man who nearly exploded her, and then her head fell off, and oh! You must watch video with watermelon, is very good! Patience went back into dirt, and Sam no longer statue. Was fun day."

I will also accept this explanation in the next episode!

8 hours ago, chaifan said:

Regency dress - Hetty should have said it was her mother's, and then commented to Sam how much she resembled her mother in it.  Then it would make sense that Hetty commissioned a statue of her mother, and that it looked like Sam.  Sam could have also commented that the statue was the inspiration for the costume/hair, which is why it looked like her.

Another great idea!

Edited November 7 by ItCouldBeWorse