Except Chelsea (and Cole)

[alexa]

Chelsea’s thread always seems to take an odd turn. We go from enjoying the pics or at least most of us do and then there are several posts about how badly she is exposing her children. I would understand it more if these exact posts were duplicated on every other teen mom thread otherwise it just feels out of place here since this is something they all do.

She is already on tv and she posts some cute pics on Instagram. I am not really clear on how she is different than the other teen moms. It almost feels like because she doesn’t have much to snark on this is a recurring theme here. I agree all of the teen mom children should get their chance out of the public eye. However I can’t really see why she can’t share pics if she wants to right now. They aren’t pics of Aubrey naked with hearts covering her like Catelynn did so she is doing pretty well in my opinion ?

On 3/24/2018 at 6:40 PM, druzy said:

I love how happy he looks all of the time....

[alexa]

Well I just like the pics and can’t find many reasons to criticize her so I will just keep being happy in this thread. There is plenty of drama elsewhere so I will keep this thread as my happy spot. 

[ReadMeLattice]

I don't think any of this is personal. 
We're all just having fun in our own ways ;)

[HeySandyStrange]

1 hour ago, alexa said:

Chelsea’s thread always seems to take an odd turn. We go from enjoying the pics or at least most of us do and then there are several posts about how badly she is exposing her children. I would understand it more if these exact posts were duplicated on every other teen mom thread otherwise it just feels out of place here since this is something they all do.

I feel like every one of the moms have been criticised for putting their kids and drama on tv. The difference may be that there is so much to criticise the others for that that this particular criticism gets buried under the huge pile of shitty behavior the others engage in their own threads.  I really don't think the rather lightweight criticism Chelsea gets is anywhere nearing the amount we mostly rightfully pile on the others. I mean, really, the worst criticism Chelsea is getting from most of us is she's better then this trashy show.

[ReadMeLattice]

17 minutes ago, HeySandyStrange said:

I feel like every one of the moms have been criticised for putting their kids and drama on tv. The difference may be that there is so much to criticise the others for that that this particular criticism gets buried under the huge pile of shitty behavior the others engage in their own threads.  I really don't think the rather lightweight criticism Chelsea gets is anywhere nearing the amount we mostly rightfully pile on the others. I mean, really, the worst criticism Chelsea is getting from most of us is she's better then this trashy show.

Yeah, and Chelsea isn't particularly amazing, but it's a weird show in that she's basically just a middle-class girl who had ONE bad boy in her life and otherwise her life has been pretty normal.

Meanwhile, literally everybody else is a backwoods/trashy-as-hell child abuser with multiple arrests and/or convictions to their name, usually multiple addictions, multiple baby mamas/daddies, and long, storied histories of domestic violence and adultery.

Chelsea is just sort of normal and on a show where everybody else was also normal, she'd get gossiped about for things like a messy house and baby talk and Pinterest addiction and two weddings. Still nothing serious at all. But on a show where everybody is trashy, she looks like an angel sent from heaven. It's extremely bizarre as a juxtaposition...they were all closer and Chelsea was more of a fuckup in the beginning with the GED saga and the Adammmmmmm drama. Jenelle was a beach girl from North Carolina with a bit of a party streak but no arrests yet, Kail was from a rough background but seemed to be going somewhere at the time (lol, how times have changed), and Leah was the resident uber-southern cheerleader from the holler. 

Now Chelsea just has an average middle-class life and it's really odd to talk about her in the same context, not necessarily because she's so incredible but because this show has basically turned into an abuse and neglect circus with a side of criminal charges. This show should pretty much be renamed "Heroin and Divorce, and also some girl from South Dakota living a normal life I guess?" I honestly bet nobody expected this.

I can see why it gets weird fast.

Edited March 29, 2018 by Lm2162

[Christina87]

1 hour ago, Lm2162 said:

Yeah, and Chelsea isn't particularly amazing, but it's a weird show in that she's basically just a middle-class girl who had ONE bad boy in her life and otherwise her life has been pretty normal.

Meanwhile, literally everybody else is a backwoods/trashy-as-hell child abuser with multiple arrests and/or convictions to their name, usually multiple addictions, multiple baby mamas/daddies, and long, storied histories of domestic violence and adultery.

Chelsea is just sort of normal and on a show where everybody else was also normal, she'd get gossiped about for things like a messy house and baby talk and Pinterest addiction and two weddings. Still nothing serious at all. But on a show where everybody is trashy, she looks like an angel sent from heaven. It's extremely bizarre as a juxtaposition...they were all closer and Chelsea was more of a fuckup in the beginning with the GED saga and the Adammmmmmm drama. Jenelle was a beach girl from North Carolina with a bit of a party streak but no arrests yet, Kail was from a rough background but seemed to be going somewhere at the time (lol, how times have changed), and Leah was the resident uber-southern cheerleader from the holler. 

Now Chelsea just has an average middle-class life and it's really odd to talk about her in the same context, not necessarily because she's so incredible but because this show has basically turned into an abuse and neglect circus with a side of criminal charges. This show should pretty much be renamed "Heroin and Divorce, and also some girl from South Dakota living a normal life I guess?" I honestly bet nobody expected this.

I can see why it gets weird fast.

 

You are SO right that if Chelsea was on a show where everyone was normal, she would get called out a lot. If the other three girls were a doctor, a social worker, and a SAHM who channels Carol Brady while doing the work of Alice, she would look awful by comparison! She would be the Jenelle. However, compared to the rest of the world (aka most of us), she is...average. That's why most of us think her in the way we think of us and people we know instead of the other train wrecks! It really is a compliment. I see Chelsea as in a different league than everyone else!

Just for fun...here are some "leagues"

1. Extremely accomplished 

1.5. Accomplished person who is a hard worker

2. Normal life--Chelsea 

3. Normal life but bad person

4. Lazy person with questionable morals--Leah

5. Very unpleasant person

6. Very unpleasant person who makes bad choices--Kail 

.......,

666. Hateful person with drug problem and arrests--jenelle 

So if Chelsea is a 2 and Jenelle is a 666, we obviously see her more like one of us, a whole, normal person who doesn't necessarily belong on this trashy show!

Edited March 29, 2018 by Christina87

[lilmarysunshine]

3 hours ago, alexa said:

Chelsea’s thread always seems to take an odd turn. We go from enjoying the pics or at least most of us do and then there are several posts about how badly she is exposing her children. I would understand it more if these exact posts were duplicated on every other teen mom thread otherwise it just feels out of place here since this is something they all do.

 

For me, it is because I think she gets more praise than deserved for being a decent mom (which I think she is, aside from exposing her kids like this). The reason we all know she's a decent mom is because she puts it out there for millions of people every week. I think that is inherently damaging to kids.  The same goes for all of them and I see the same criticisms for all of them, too.  They just get lost in all of the other shit they do and, in fact, I think exposing the crap those kids (Isaac/Lincoln/Lux, Ali/Gracie/Addy, Jace/Kaiser/Ensley) go through is worse than Chelsea. Aubree's got some bad parent drama but nothing compared to the others, at least. It seems like most of her story is great.

1 hour ago, HeySandyStrange said:

she's better then this trashy show.

Exactly. Why associate with this?  Just be done with it and get back to your normal life with your 3 cute kids. Though just typing that out maybe that is part of the draw for her. She likes to be the only good one. She eats that shit up?

[Christina87]

14 minutes ago, lilmarysunshine said:

For me, it is because I think she gets more praise than deserved for being a decent mom (which I think she is, aside from exposing her kids like this). The reason we all know she's a decent mom is because she puts it out there for millions of people every week. I think that is inherently damaging to kids.  The same goes for all of them and I see the same criticisms for all of them, too.  They just get lost in all of the other shit they do and, in fact, I think exposing the crap those kids (Isaac/Lincoln/Lux, Ali/Gracie/Addy, Jace/Kaiser/Ensley) go through is worse than Chelsea. Aubree's got some bad parent drama but nothing compared to the others, at least. It seems like most of her story is great.

Exactly. Why associate with this?  Just be done with it and get back to your normal life with your 3 cute kids. Though just typing that out maybe that is part of the draw for her. She likes to be the only good one. She eats that shit up?

I think she really does like being the "good" one. She started out being good compared to Adam, and now it has shifted to her castmates. It seems to me like a HUGE part of the appeal of this show, in the beginning, was bad mouthing Adam and showing the world what an epic douche he was. By the point TM2 started, Aubree was almost a year old, and it was pretty much established to anyone with half a brain that adam was not going to be father of the year, ever. Chelsea had to know this deep down, even though she fervently wished it wasn't true. Since she wasn't getting what she wanted from adam, the next best thing was telling the world how horrible he was and always being the sympathetic one!

i get it totally! I was in a relationship much like that when the show started. I talked about my boyfriend ALLLLLLL THE TIME. Friends and family members would tell me it was all I talked about, and they were sick of hearing about it! It was either about something awful he had done, and on the rare occasions when he was being sweet, it was dreamy, overly passionate dialogues about how amazing our future could be together if he acted like this all the time. But my talking / thinking about him was CONSTANT. I was obsessed! After my friends and family started feeling over the drama, I would have absolutely LOVED nothing more than a national TV show where I could talk about him 24/7 and highlight how badly he was treating poor, undeserving little me. 

And the GREAT thing for both me and Chelsea is we really were always, always the victim. We were 100% the sympathetic character, always. Sure, we made bad decisions to stay and not stand up for ourselves, but no reasonable person would say we were the problem. It would have felt so good to have a platform to blast him 24/7 and earn the world's sympathy. 

Now that adam is gone, and she seems to see him for the unredeemable person he is, Chelsea can look good compared to her castmates. It's fortunate for her that they have turned out to be such trainwrecks, because she will always look good by comparison, the same way she did with adam. 

Edited March 29, 2018 by Christina87

[Marley]

I just see her as a normal person with cute kids. She’s not successful professionally obviously but not everyone is. None of them deserve praise for just having kids and taking care of them like you are supposed to anyways. Whoopee tonnes of ppl do that all the time.

Some of the other Teen moms are total garbage tho. Just different types of garbage.

[DangerousMinds]

7 hours ago, alexa said:

Chelsea’s thread always seems to take an odd turn. We go from enjoying the pics or at least most of us do and then there are several posts about how badly she is exposing her children. I would understand it more if these exact posts were duplicated on every other teen mom thread otherwise it just feels out of place here since this is something they all do.

She is already on tv and she posts some cute pics on Instagram. I am not really clear on how she is different than the other teen moms. It almost feels like because she doesn’t have much to snark on this is a recurring theme here. I agree all of the teen mom children should get their chance out of the public eye. However I can’t really see why she can’t share pics if she wants to right now. They aren’t pics of Aubrey naked with hearts covering her like Catelynn did so she is doing pretty well in my opinion ?

I love how happy he looks all of the time....

It really isn't a smart idea in this day and age to share pictures of your young children on social media. If they were sharing with close friends and family only, that would be one thing, but they are choosing to share these 

pics with millions of strangers. There are so many creeps and predatory people out there. 

[Christina87]

6 hours ago, Marley said:

I just see her as a normal person with cute kids. She’s not successful professionally obviously but not everyone is. None of them deserve praise for just having kids and taking care of them like you are supposed to anyways. Whoopee tonnes of ppl do that all the time.

Some of the other Teen moms are total garbage tho. Just different types of garbage.

I agree! I don't get the "OMGGGG she is sooooo perfect and don't you dare say anything negative about her!!!!" attitude, because she does what she is supposed to anyway. Being like Chelsea should be the bare minimum, but sadly, so many people fall short of the bare minimum (see Jenelle). 

For the record, I still think you can be considered "successful" and be a SAHM, but Chelsea isn't, in my opinion. She is a successful mom, because she does a good job taking care of her kids. However, plenty of SAHM's are accomplished in various ways. The straight A student who goes to medical school, becomes a doctor, and practices for ten years before deciding to become a SAHM is obviously successful and accomplished. After she stays home, she keeps a tidy home, makes from-scratch, nutritious meals every day, and volunteers in her community. She goes on mission trips with her church to Africa, where she gives children medical care. I would still consider this person successful, professionally and otherwise, as a SAHM. Chelsea does the least work possible, and always has. While you can be an accomplished SAHM, I don't think she is one, and neither are any of her castmates. However, at least she is happy and her kids are well taken care of. You can't say the same for any of the others!

Edited March 29, 2018 by Christina87

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I think we also have to remember that Chelsea has spent pretty much her entire adult life as a "reality TV star."  That has to skew what she herself sees as "normal" and too much exposure for her kids, etc. 

(And thank all the deities that I didn't have cameras following me in my late teens/early 20s.  I didn't have kids and wasn't anywhere close to being a Jenelle or Amber, but I'm not sure I would have been able to turn into a comparatively "normal" person the way Chelsea has with that much (D-list) "fame," public praise, & public criticism in my early adulthood.  Chelsea seems to be one of the few people who has spent her early adulthood on reality TV and still has managed to be somewhat normal, so I'll give her props for that.)

Edited March 29, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[ReadMeLattice]

1 hour ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

I think we also have to remember that Chelsea has spent pretty much her entire adult life as a "reality TV star."  That has to skew what she herself sees as "normal" and too much exposure for her kids, etc. 

(And thank all the deities that I didn't have cameras following me in my late teens/early 20s.  I didn't have kids and wasn't anywhere close to being a Jenelle or Amber, but I'm not sure I would have been able to turn into a comparatively "normal" person the way Chelsea has with that much (D-list) "fame," public praise, & public criticism in my early adulthood.  Chelsea seems to be one of the few people who has spent her early adulthood on reality TV and still has managed to be somewhat normal, so I'll give her props for that.)

This, too, that's a very good point.

and hey listen, none of us know these people and all our good AND bad assumptions could be wrong (k, except about Amber and Jenelle...)-- we all just wanna snark or praise in peace! nothing wrong with either.

[ghoulina]

20 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

I agree! There are literally tons of things that they/anyone can do that don't require physical acumen. In fact I would say MOST school activities don't require it--literally only sports, cheerleading and dance do. They are just obsessed with her being some kind of a cheerleader no matter what, I don't know if it's to prove Dr. Tsao, the top specialist for this particular issue in the nation, wrong, or if it's because in their area it's a social MUST to be a cheerleader (like being in a sorority...?), or because Leah/possibly Corey have some obsession with popularity and cheerleading, but it is truly sickening. And ignorant.

I think what also bothers me is that it's like Ali has to cheer because Gracie does. I have kids close in age, so I get it. But is that Leah WISHES Ali was more like Gracie? Or is she too lazy to drive to different activities for all the kids? Both? I'd just like to see Ali treated as more of an individual. 

[Marley]

Oh yea definitely not scoffing at stay at home moms. Just saying professionally job wise she hasn’t really done anything. Which is fine not everyone does.

[Christina87]

3 hours ago, Marley said:

Oh yea definitely not scoffing at stay at home moms. Just saying professionally job wise she hasn’t really done anything. Which is fine not everyone does.

Yes! Definitely didn't think you were saying anything disparaging against them. ? I was just pointing out that someone who hasn't done anything professionally, or doesn't currently, can still be accomplished and in a completely different league from Chelsea. I think my least favorite quality in her is her laziness and lack of motivation! 

[GreatKazu]

Chelsea is a full-time parent to two children. She will soon have a third. What is it that she is doing, or not doing, that makes her lacking in motivation and makes her lazy? Having at least one small child in the home with you all day is enough to keep you on your toes and keeps one quite busy. 

[Scarlett45]

7 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Chelsea is a full-time parent to two children. She will soon have a third. What is it that she is doing, or not doing, that makes her lacking in motivation and makes her lazy? Having at least one small child in the home with you all day is enough to keep you on your toes and keeps one quite busy. 

I don’t think Chelsea is Lazy in the moral or physical sense (she’s not slovenly or anything like that), but I think she lacks intellectual curiosity (which is not a judgment on her character, some people aren’t)- I think the criticisms that she is lazy and unmotivated (today in 2018, not her GED days) come from a point stepped in some sexism that if a woman is a SAHM then she must be an A+++ Martha Stewart Level, 4 Star chef, floors so clean you can eat off of them, Wiggle Worms and language emerssion classes SAHM.

We rarely expect that type of excellence in men in ANY arena. Some women are that type of SAHM (and they deserve the praise for their talents), some are not- I think there’s a difference between being lazy and unambitious; Chelsea is in the middle. 

I also think there’s a bit of bitter fruit that Chelsea got the standard heteronormative American dream without evidence of hard work or struggle. A few more missteps (or no Randy) and she could’ve ended up in Barb’s shoes (think of what Barb’s life may have been had she not gotten with Jenelle’s Dad, but a nice guy who didn’t hit her?). 

Edited March 30, 2018 by Scarlett45

[Christina87]

My opinion is that Chelsea is lazy because she never works hard at anything. She is naturally talented at caring for children, and that is a good thing. However, we all have parts of our job that we would rather not do, that don't come naturally to us. I love teaching, and it comes naturally to me, but I hate grading. What if I just stopped because it was hard work and I hated it? I don't expect Chelsea to be a star house cleaner, but taking the clothes off the steps and putting them in the closets would be a good start. I'll even give her somewhat of a pass for having an infant, but she was the same way with Aubree. She irks me because our personalities are at the complete opposite ends of the spectrum, I guess. If I was a ditch digger, I would try my hardest to go above and beyond to be the best ditch digger I could be, and if I was a SAHM, I would be motivated to keep the house as nice as I could. As someone who works all day, I long for the time to make meals from scratch every day (which I still do, but they have to be less time intensive and more basic, like basic chicken legs and a veggie), and have time to keep the house immaculate. And yes, I realize those things are challenging with an infant, but you still have all day to put the meal together if it's really important to you versus 30 minutes. It's just foreign to me to not feel that way. Most people have some hustle, but I don't see it in Chelsea. She is a good person, and mother, but she irks me. Just my opinion! Not trying to be mean or anything. I'm glad she is naturally good at caring for kids, because obviously that is the most important thing. She's just lucked out, between Randy, Cole, and the show, never really having to work hard at anything. It's so unrealistic that someone can literally be a teen mom and still never have to support herself and have a network of enablers for her laziness. Most people who aren't teen moms have to work hard through college and their career, and never have the chance to live the life she does, free of external pressures to hustle. 

Edited March 30, 2018 by Christina87

[Scarlett45]

@Christina87 I don’t think you’re mean. 

 

I don’t disagree that Chelsea has a very happy and fulfilling life (for her) without having to work very hard. But I acknowledge 1. She didn’t want much (I don’t think wanting healthy children and a loving partner with some money in the bank for a nice vacation is “much”, 2. She did hit the circumstantial lottery (her family of origin being one), but thems the breaks!

I don’t think less of her because of that. 

[Mkay]

9 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Chelsea is a full-time parent to two children. She will soon have a third. What is it that she is doing, or not doing, that makes her lacking in motivation and makes her lazy? Having at least one small child in the home with you all day is enough to keep you on your toes and keeps one quite busy. 

As far as I see on her Snapchat, she has more energy than me. (I have daily migraines that keep me down). She makes home cooked meals every night. Sometimes, she notes, from scratch, and people ask for the recipes.  She shares those on twitter if she gets enough requests. I know that’s not an accomplishment to some but for me that’s impressive compared to the other moms on the show. And some of the food looks really good. I’m a stay at home mom now because of my headaches. I’m lucky if I get to pick up around the house. I don’t like that.  It makes me feel lazy.  But that’s how it is. Laying down and reading what y’all write keep me laughing.  Anyone who has more umph than me moves up a little in my book.  Ha. I agree with you @GreatKazu    

Edited March 30, 2018 by Mkay

[Christina87]

@Mkay so sorry to hear that!!!! I get horrible migraines too, but thankfully mine are episodic. I'll have them every day for two or three months, and then not again for years. You should absolutely not compare yourself to someone without them! The way I feel is night and day different when I'm having them and when I'm not. I even feel awful and without energy for two or three MORE months after they're gone! That's how much they take out of you. I hope you will find some way to get some relief. Migraines are literally the worst ever!

[Mkay]

2 minutes ago, Christina87 said:

@Mkay so sorry to hear that!!!! I get horrible migraines too, but thankfully mine are episodic. I'll have them every day for two or three months, and then not again for years. You should absolutely not compare yourself to someone without them! The way I feel is night and day different when I'm having them and when I'm not. I even feel awful and without energy for two or three MORE months after they're gone! That's how much they take out of you. I hope you will find some way to get some relief. Migraines are literally the worst ever!

Thanks. I had a CT scan. Not the first so of course they didn’t find anything. I’m kinda starting the cycle all over again of finding the reason why. I have a neurology appointment this month. The first time in years. I’m going to ask about Botox because I hear it helps at lot of people.  At this point I’m willing to try anything.  I just want to be a normal functioning adult again. I’ve never heard of episodic.  I learn something new everyday.   Gives me something new to go read about. :) I’m sorry you have them. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. It is awful for sure. 

[HeySandyStrange]

Honestly, I don't really care if Chelsea is super SAHM or ambitious in anything but being a decent wife and mom. I don't really have a quarrel with her at all. I do think that, if the other mom's weren't such huge pieces of crap and were on the same level  as Chelsea as mothers and people, she might not stand out as much as she does now. That isn't a slight on her at all, just an observation.

I just wish she'd leave the show. I think she and her family are too decent and too normal to tempt fate by sticking with this trashy ass show. Cole and Chelsea can only protect their kids from the attention and notoriety so much, especially as they age. But then again, I think that of all the mothers and would love if this damn show ended already, since it hasn't had a real purpose in years now, other then to reward bad behavior on most of their parts. I'd be fine getting an update on how happy and well-adjusted the DeBoer's are every few years, and how humbled the rest are.

[druzy]

[Christina87]

1 hour ago, Mkay said:

Thanks. I had a CT scan. Not the first so of course they didn’t find anything. I’m kinda starting the cycle all over again of finding the reason why. I have a neurology appointment this month. The first time in years. I’m going to ask about Botox because I hear it helps at lot of people.  At this point I’m willing to try anything.  I just want to be a normal functioning adult again. I’ve never heard of episodic.  I learn something new everyday.   Gives me something new to go read about. :) I’m sorry you have them. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. It is awful for sure. 

I hope yours can go down to episodic! I literally can't imagine my life being like that all the time. Plus, it sucks because my boss is not at all understanding. I had one a couple weeks ago, and he got mad because I didn't tell him the night before. Ummmm, that's not typically how it works! Not to mention when I'm getting them, they usually come at night and on weekends. I'll be exhausted and go to bed, only to awake 30 minutes later with an aura. I'll be up all night with it, throwing up, and then go to work teaching middle school chorus. You can imagine how pleasant that is right after a migraine and no sleep! Then, I have to come home and still cook and clean (and cooking from scratch is even more necessary during those times...no takeout for me!). Then I'll start getting another one an hour before bed as I'm unloading the dishwasher. Rinse and repeat for 2-3 months. It is hell!!! Also last time, I managed to get through work like that with no performance issues, and my boss yelled at me for not having my usual "energy." Ummmm excuse me?! Plus there is always the chance you will drive somewhere and be stuck there. I'm like you...I wouldn't wish migraines on my worst enemy. The only people who should get them are people who aren't understanding about how awful they are. Does any medicine help you? Imitrex cuts my severity down, but you can only get nine a month. I wish I could get a new prescription every month and hoard  them, but my doctor won't let me. I don't know if you're religious, but I will pray for you. We're so helpless against migraine, and perhaps praying will do some good!

[ReadMeLattice]

2 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

@Christina87 I don’t think you’re mean. 

 

I don’t disagree that Chelsea has a very happy and fulfilling life (for her) without having to work very hard. But I acknowledge 1. She didn’t want much (I don’t think wanting healthy children and a loving partner with some money in the bank for a nice vacation is “much”, 2. She did hit the circumstantial lottery (her family of origin being one), but thems the breaks!

I don’t think less of her because of that. 

 

4 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I don’t think Chelsea is Lazy in the moral or physical sense (she’s not slovenly or anything like that), but I think she lacks intellectual curiosity (which is not a judgment on her character, some people aren’t)- I think the criticisms that she is lazy and unmotivated (today in 2018, not her GED days) come from a point stepped in some sexism that if a woman is a SAHM then she must be an A+++ Martha Stewart Level, 4 Star chef, floors so clean you can eat off of them, Wiggle Worms and language emerssion classes SAHM.

 

 

I agree but I also think it's a "historical" thing (because we've watched her from the start). She appeared very lazy in the beginning--although I also think she might have been depressed, but lazy too--and was consistently pampered to something of a ludicrous level. I think she's come a long way; I personally don't think she seems lazy now, she's grown a lot. So people might still be thinking of that. And I agree that it's intellectual curiosity she's missing, not really basic work ethic. She seems like a good mom. 

Edited March 30, 2018 by Lm2162

[ReadMeLattice]

On 3/28/2018 at 5:27 PM, alexa said:

Well I just like the pics and can’t find many reasons to criticize her so I will just keep being happy in this thread. There is plenty of drama elsewhere so I will keep this thread as my happy spot. 

I feel you, that's Gary's thread for me. I love the Gar-Bear.

[alexa]

31 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

I feel you, that's Gary's thread for me. I love the Gar-Bear.

Well, at the moment this thread is not my happy spot.  A lot of ignoring going on for me right now--I am just not a fan of the same old conversations coming up when nothing new has really happened to make them reappear.  Hopefully it will get back to the pictures and happiness again soon.  But in the meantime, I guess I can go to Gary's thread :-)  Good idea...

[Scarlett45]

2 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

 

I agree but I also think it's a "historical" thing (because we've watched her from the start). She appeared very lazy in the beginning--although I also think she might have been depressed, but lazy too--and was consistently pampered to something of a ludicrous level. I think she's come a long way; I personally don't think she seems lazy now, she's grown a lot. So people might still be thinking of that. And I agree that it's intellectual curiosity she's missing, not really basic work ethic. She seems like a good mom. 

Yes I can see that. I think it too Chelsea a bit longer to mature than she otherwise would have as a single Mom, AND I think she was suffering from situational depression. She seemed to improve a lot after she spent a few months in therapy. 

 

1 hour ago, Lm2162 said:

I feel you, that's Gary's thread for me. I love the Gar-Bear.

I always liked Gary too. 

[Mkay]

3 hours ago, Christina87 said:

I hope yours can go down to episodic! I literally can't imagine my life being like that all the time. Plus, it sucks because my boss is not at all understanding. I had one a couple weeks ago, and he got mad because I didn't tell him the night before. Ummmm, that's not typically how it works! Not to mention when I'm getting them, they usually come at night and on weekends. I'll be exhausted and go to bed, only to awake 30 minutes later with an aura. I'll be up all night with it, throwing up, and then go to work teaching middle school chorus. You can imagine how pleasant that is right after a migraine and no sleep! Then, I have to come home and still cook and clean (and cooking from scratch is even more necessary during those times...no takeout for me!). Then I'll start getting another one an hour before bed as I'm unloading the dishwasher. Rinse and repeat for 2-3 months. It is hell!!! Also last time, I managed to get through work like that with no performance issues, and my boss yelled at me for not having my usual "energy." Ummmm excuse me?! Plus there is always the chance you will drive somewhere and be stuck there. I'm like you...I wouldn't wish migraines on my worst enemy. The only people who should get them are people who aren't understanding about how awful they are. Does any medicine help you? Imitrex cuts my severity down, but you can only get nine a month. I wish I could get a new prescription every month and hoard  them, but my doctor won't let me. I don't know if you're religious, but I will pray for you. We're so helpless against migraine, and perhaps praying will do some good!

Imitrex helps but makes me sick. Maxalt works but like you said, my insurance limits me.  ? I was getting 18 a month and they have told me I reached my max so I’m stuck.  They have me on topamax until my neurology appt but those gave me kidney stones before.  They make the pain not as sharp but  the though of kidney stones again terrify me.  Hopefully I find my miracle cure.  

 

Thank you. It’s nice to know people who understand.  Even though I hate for anyone to have to go through them.  

[ghoulina]

For me, I don't really care how ambitious Chelsea is; I think she's raising good people. Being a SAHM isn't just about cooking and cleaning. You're shaping little lives. (I realize all parents do this, but when you stay home, you do have more interaction with your kids. Well, the non-Amber-types do.) Parenting needs to be taking fucking seriously. I know not every bad person is a result of bad parenting, but when I watch this show...I see so many balls dropped. We need more good people in the world. I think Chelsea is a very thoughtful and conscientious mom. I don't care if her house is messy and she sometimes serves chicken nuggets, if she's raising loving, generous, empathetic people. Which I think she is. 

 

I can see the point of view that she needs to leave the show. I was hoping she would myself. But I do get why she stays. Her scenes are, honestly, pretty low key. I don't Aubree gets an excessive amount of exposure or has a bunch of embarrassing scenes to be afraid of. I think Chelsea is actually fairly controlled about what they film. 

[GreatKazu]

7 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

@Christina87 I don’t think you’re mean. 

 

I don’t disagree that Chelsea has a very happy and fulfilling life (for her) without having to work very hard. But I acknowledge 1. She didn’t want much (I don’t think wanting healthy children and a loving partner with some money in the bank for a nice vacation is “much”, 2. She did hit the circumstantial lottery (her family of origin being one), but thems the breaks!

I don’t think less of her because of that. 

Agree. Chelsea didn't ask for much other than to have a family. It was what she said numerous times over the course of the seasons.

I think another thing about Chelsea is that she is grateful and appreciative of what she has in her life. She went from an abusive relationship with Adumb to Cole, who is a loving and respectful man. There were guys in between, but we didn't get to see them and evaluate them. Speaking of those other guys, she didn't have them move in with her which is a major plus. Unlike Leah who had a guy move in and she acted as if the relationship didn't exist and she tried to pull one over on the viewers and even blatantly lied to Cory on the reunion. As much as I loathed Chelsea having had sex again with Adumb after they had broken up, to me, she opened up and was honest about it rather than throwing it out there in a way that Kail or Amber might reveal information such as, "So what? Yeah I screwed around with fuckboy. Big deal." Hers was an admittance without the sarcasm and rudeness. I appreciated her honesty and candor. It showed us how she was still vulnerable to Adumb's manipulation which was verbally and emotionally abusive. I am happy for her and that she was able to transition herself away from his abusive behavior. I am still sad because Aubree will one day have to make that decision for herself when she is older, but she has Cole in her life and that is a big plus. 

It does appear Chelsea did come upon Cole and did hit the lottery. But it also says a lot about her and what she had to offer. We are always commenting how water seeks its own level when we talk about Slug Amber, Kanal, and Swamp Thing Jenelle. They will never find a guy who will treat them respectfully and dignity because their attitudes and their slew of issues only attract a certain kind of guy. If Chelsea hadn't grown up, matured, and changed her attitude about what she wanted and expected from a partner, she could have easily ended up with another Adumb or someone who wasn't even close to what kind of person Cole is to her. 

Chelsea's priority is raising her children. She wants to have a big family. I give any person props for being able to afford the kind of life she leads because I sure wish I could have been a SAHM years ago. I missed out on a lot. I can't get those years back. I view Chelsea's world as the world I wish I could have had, but I also was about having a career. My mind was that I was meant to do more in life. I have a friend whose youngest is 13 years old. She entered college a year ago and is on her way to becoming a radiologist. She put her career on hold so she could raise her children. She could afford to do it because her husband has his own business. Chelsea may choose to do something later on in life as far as work is concerned. 

I think of @Maharincess who has shared her life with her first husband with us on numerous occasions. She had it extremely rough and it was dangerous. She then finds a new man who has treated her the way she should be treated and respected. I know that after all she went through, she finds that life at home and being in a loving and healthy relationship and being a wonderful mom to her kids is all that she could ever ask for and is truly content and appreciative. It matters to her to have a wonderful and loving family after all she went through and her energy is put into raising her kids and spending time with them. She takes her role as a parent seriously. Not saying no else here doesn't, but I know Maharincess from our PM discussions over the years. 

Once you have had it bad, you appreciate the good and that is how I view Chelsea. 

I really doubt if Chelsea were to clean up her home to other people's satisfaction, it would somehow change the attitude towards her. If she is disliked, so be it. It doesn't change anything. I just asked how is it she is seen as lazy. The way I see it, if one puts more effort into raising children, spending time with them, educating them, and being a hands on parent, that is in itself a lot of work and it requires daily motivation and a lot of stamina. Her children are clean, they look well-dressed, they don't appear neglected. I didn't realize she posts videos of her home-cooking online. That is another thing that takes motivation. I sure as heck am not motivated to cook a meal every day. I know she has been shown cooking at home on the show, but with less scenes of her, I guess MTV is not filming those scenes or they are editing them out. 

Edited March 30, 2018 by GreatKazu

[druzy]

[lilmarysunshine]

6 hours ago, Mkay said:

As far as I see on her Snapchat, she has more energy than me. (I have daily migraines that keep me down). She makes home cooked meals every night. Sometimes, she notes, from scratch, and people ask for the recipes.  She shares those on twitter if she gets enough requests. I know that’s not an accomplishment to some but for me that’s impressive compared to the other moms on the show. And some of the food looks really good. I’m a stay at home mom now because of my headaches. I’m lucky if I get to pick up around the house. I don’t like that.  It makes me feel lazy.  But that’s how it is. Laying down and reading what y’all write keep me laughing.  Anyone who has more umph than me moves up a little in my book.  Ha. I agree with you @GreatKazu    

Keep in mind that people purposefully put those things that make them look good on social media.  My niece is the mom to two small kids and she jokes about what a lie her social media accounts have become. 

I don't knock her. I am a degreed professional and stayed home with my kids when they were through elementary school. I loved being home and available but I didn't and don't love cleaning and cooking. I do what I have to. It's not fulfilling to me. I don't think you have to have a home look like Pinterest to be "successful" as a stay-at-home mom.

We put *such* pressure on moms and women, in general.

[Mkay]

Maybe staying on tv helps build up Watson’s college fund. Aubree’s is secure.  Continue to film so that Watson and now the new little girl can have a good savings. I dunno. Just a guess. That’s what I would do if I had her opportunity. 

[GreatKazu]

6 minutes ago, lilmarysunshine said:

Keep in mind that people purposefully put those things that make them look good on social media.  My niece is the mom to two small kids and she jokes about what a lie her social media accounts have become. 

I don't knock her. I am a degreed professional and stayed home with my kids when they were through elementary school. I loved being home and available but I didn't and don't love cleaning and cooking. I do what I have to. It's not fulfilling to me. I don't think you have to have a home look like Pinterest to be "successful" as a stay-at-home mom.

We put *such* pressure on moms and women, in general.

Right.

I am not reading that Cole is as much as fault for the home being a mess. It is his home as well. Being a full-time worker outside of the house doesn't preclude him from helping around or picking up. Maybe he does help around the house. I have never gotten the impression that he views it as Chelsea's job and she should be maintaining a clean home. I have mentioned before on Leah's thread how she is a SAHM and it is her job to maintain a home. I pointed that out because she doesn't have her kids with her full-time the way Chelsea does. Leah is the one who was ratted out as maintaining the dirtiest home on the show by a camera person. 

A SAHP doesn't have the luxury of punching a time card at 5 p.m. and say their day is done. 

[lilmarysunshine]

Yep - honestly I did not look at it like I was the maid. lol  

I don’t know. I did waste a lot of time but did go back to work part-time when my youngest went to kindergarten. I could have done a better job of cooking and cleaning but some people don’t care about having a pristine house. I see aome crap around Chelsea’s house but maybe the fact that it does not look that bad to me says something about me. lol. Maybe she picks up the stairs every night after the kids are in bed and then it looks the same the next night? BTDT

I know it probably seems like I am all over the place on Chelsea but I guess it comes down to that I think she has provided a good life for her kids (not through TM but mostly through stability and finding a good guy) and she needs to just raise them outside of the public eye. It is a totally *normal* life and that is OK. We have that in our house with two degrees (one PhD) and successful jobs (now). And neither one of us is a go getter who has to be BEST at whatever we touch (obviously....lol).

[alexa]

4 hours ago, druzy said:

Thank you!  Just what this thread needed.  Go Chelsea—keep on being positive!

[Maharincess]

10 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Agree. Chelsea didn't ask for much other than to have a family. It was what she said numerous times over the course of the seasons.

I think another thing about Chelsea is that she is grateful and appreciative of what she has in her life. She went from an abusive relationship with Adumb to Cole, who is a loving and respectful man. There were guys in between, but we didn't get to see them and evaluate them. Speaking of those other guys, she didn't have them move in with her which is a major plus. Unlike Leah who had a guy move in and she acted as if the relationship didn't exist and she tried to pull one over on the viewers and even blatantly lied to Cory on the reunion. As much as I loathed Chelsea having had sex again with Adumb after they had broken up, to me, she opened up and was honest about it rather than throwing it out there in a way that Kail or Amber might reveal information such as, "So what? Yeah I screwed around with fuckboy. Big deal." Hers was an admittance without the sarcasm and rudeness. I appreciated her honesty and candor. It showed us how she was still vulnerable to Adumb's manipulation which was verbally and emotionally abusive. I am happy for her and that she was able to transition herself away from his abusive behavior. I am still sad because Aubree will one day have to make that decision for herself when she is older, but she has Cole in her life and that is a big plus. 

It does appear Chelsea did come upon Cole and did hit the lottery. But it also says a lot about her and what she had to offer. We are always commenting how water seeks its own level when we talk about Slug Amber, Kanal, and Swamp Thing Jenelle. They will never find a guy who will treat them respectfully and dignity because their attitudes and their slew of issues only attract a certain kind of guy. If Chelsea hadn't grown up, matured, and changed her attitude about what she wanted and expected from a partner, she could have easily ended up with another Adumb or someone who wasn't even close to what kind of person Cole is to her. 

Chelsea's priority is raising her children. She wants to have a big family. I give any person props for being able to afford the kind of life she leads because I sure wish I could have been a SAHM years ago. I missed out on a lot. I can't get those years back. I view Chelsea's world as the world I wish I could have had, but I also was about having a career. My mind was that I was meant to do more in life. I have a friend whose youngest is 13 years old. She entered college a year ago and is on her way to becoming a radiologist. She put her career on hold so she could raise her children. She could afford to do it because her husband has his own business. Chelsea may choose to do something later on in life as far as work is concerned. 

I think of @Maharincess who has shared her life with her first husband with us on numerous occasions. She had it extremely rough and it was dangerous. She then finds a new man who has treated her the way she should be treated and respected. I know that after all she went through, she finds that life at home and being in a loving and healthy relationship and being a wonderful mom to her kids is all that she could ever ask for and is truly content and appreciative. It matters to her to have a wonderful and loving family after all she went through and her energy is put into raising her kids and spending time with them. She takes her role as a parent seriously. Not saying no else here doesn't, but I know Maharincess from our PM discussions over the years. 

Once you have had it bad, you appreciate the good and that is how I view Chelsea. 

I really doubt if Chelsea were to clean up her home to other people's satisfaction, it would somehow change the attitude towards her. If she is disliked, so be it. It doesn't change anything. I just asked how is it she is seen as lazy. The way I see it, if one puts more effort into raising children, spending time with them, educating them, and being a hands on parent, that is in itself a lot of work and it requires daily motivation and a lot of stamina. Her children are clean, they look well-dressed, they don't appear neglected. I didn't realize she posts videos of her home-cooking online. That is another thing that takes motivation. I sure as heck am not motivated to cook a meal every day. I know she has been shown cooking at home on the show, but with less scenes of her, I guess MTV is not filming those scenes or they are editing them out. 

 

Big hugs my friend, thank you, love you, XOXOXOXOXOXO. ???. Now I put all of my time into spoiling the crap out of my grandkids but I'd give ANYTHING to be able to go back and raise my kids all over again. 

It was really horrific but I survived and I got my kids out before they grew up thinking that mommy getting beaten is normal. I have my 29th anniversary with the best guy in the world in May and I'm really happy now.  The one thing I always stress is that in my opinion after suffering both, emotional abuse is just as bad as physical abuse. My broken bones, cuts and bruises all healed long ago but late at night when I can't sleep, I can still hear the words that he'd whisper in my ear as he had me backed into a corner. 

And I agree with all of your post. 

Edited March 31, 2018 by Maharincess

[ReadMeLattice]

15 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I know not every bad person is a result of bad parenting, but when I watch this show...I see so many balls dropped. 

Ain't that the truth! 

This show could be used in developmental psych classes to show the effects of parenting on multiple future generations down the line. 

Hey, maybe that's how they could bill it instead of preventing teen pregnancy. 

[ReadMeLattice]

14 hours ago, lilmarysunshine said:

Yep - honestly I did not look at it like I was the maid. lol  

I don’t know. I did waste a lot of time but did go back to work part-time when my youngest went to kindergarten. I could have done a better job of cooking and cleaning but some people don’t care about having a pristine house. I see aome crap around Chelsea’s house but maybe the fact that it does not look that bad to me says something about me. lol. Maybe she picks up the stairs every night after the kids are in bed and then it looks the same the next night? BTDT

I know it probably seems like I am all over the place on Chelsea but I guess it comes down to that I think she has provided a good life for her kids (not through TM but mostly through stability and finding a good guy) and she needs to just raise them outside of the public eye. It is a totally *normal* life and that is OK. We have that in our house with two degrees (one PhD) and successful jobs (now). And neither one of us is a go getter who has to be BEST at whatever we touch (obviously....lol).

I feel you, I'm all over the place on her too. I'm never really sure about the course this thread will take...sometimes it seems to me like people will be mad at Chelsea no matter what and criticize her, and sometimes it seems the tiniest joke means you're a jealous hater. I don't see why the thread *has* to be 100% positive from every poster, that's a bit unreasonable (and nobody is perfect), but I do think sometimes it gets overly negative in ways she doesn't deserve (jmho, I respect everybody else's, different or not). For the chillest member, she evokes a lot of strong emotions from people! Maybe that's a sign that MTV doesn't need to only highlight abusers and felons to get strong fan reactions. *Hint hint* 

And her house isn't that messy, it seems perfectly fine. People should see mine on its worst days!!

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[GreatKazu]

The first haircut! No dang pony-tail for Chubby Cheeks. Thank goodness. His smile makes me feel so good even though I am having quite a bit of pain right now. Amazing how a happy child can make one forget their pain. Aubree looks so cute and adorable. I love her hair. Sophia could take some lessons from her. 

[druzy]

1 minute ago, GreatKazu said:

The first haircut! No dang pony-tail for Chubby Cheeks. Thank goodness. His smile makes me feel so good even though I am having quite a bit of pain right now. Amazing how a happy child can make one forget their pain. Aubree looks so cute and adorable. I love her hair. Sophia could take some lessons from her. 

Whenever I see those chubby cheeks I smile! 

@GreatKazu I hope your pain goes away and everything goes well on Tuesday.

[GreatKazu]

3 minutes ago, druzy said:

Whenever I see those chubby cheeks I smile! 

@GreatKazu I hope your pain goes away and everything goes well on Tuesday.

Thank you so much. :-) 

[druzy]

[Christina87]

I'm glad that Chelsea does still keep her friends involved in her life. Chelsey Grace seems like a supportive friend, and it's sweet that she gets to come to things like first haircuts! I'm at an age where everyone I know is getting married, having babies, and not needing friends. It kind of doubly hurts, because I want marriage and a family so badly, and I'm losing a lot of my friends. It's great to have friends in your life who let you share big moments with them! A lot of married people make it seem like hanging out with their single friends means going to the bar and getting wasted...but no lol...I wanna be in bed by 11 pm too! ?

[lilmarysunshine]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

The first haircut! No dang pony-tail for Chubby Cheeks. Thank goodness. His smile makes me feel so good even though I am having quite a bit of pain right now. Amazing how a happy child can make one forget their pain. Aubree looks so cute and adorable. I love her hair. Sophia could take some lessons from her. 

And Maci. lol

[druzy]