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S10.E03: To Witness the Beginning


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Nikki lands in Moldova but worries Justin is keeping her hidden; Jasmine tells Gino she got butt implants; after meeting Manuel, Ashley's family thinks his secrecy is a red flag; Rob's past haunts Sophie as she sees something shady on his phone.

First Look: 10/20/23

Full Episode: 10/22/23

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17 hours ago, magemaud said:

Looks like Gino likes his hard liquor. 

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If I were engaged to Jasmine that would be just a start.

16 hours ago, magemaud said:

After hearing Nikki list all the cosmetic surgery procedures her fiancé has had, I see how Igor morphed into Justin. 

His plastic surgery does seem more natural though.  I wouldn’t flag him for it if I passed him on the street.

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On 10/20/2023 at 11:27 PM, magemaud said:

Looks like Gino likes his hard liquor. 

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Unlike many whiskey snobs, I like Crown Royal, but it's only 80 proof.  That's actually a pretty bad spot to store liquor if it gets direct sun exposure.

Unfortunately, Gino letting his alcohol go bad due to bad storage is one of the few stories I can believe from them this season.  The timing of the "I quit my job" (and WTF didn't he just take an extended vacation?!) and "I spent your dress money on my butt" was just far too convenient to believe.  Likewise, Jasmine probably does have some psychological issues that contribute to her multiple plastic surgeries, but is this really the first time that's been brought up?

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17 years ago, when she was in her early 30s, her Russian boyfriend was arrested for committing a crime in the US and deported to Moldova. Nikki went there to find him and he was living with another woman, but then she met 19 year old Igor and started a relationship with him, renaming him Justin. She brought him to the US on a K1 visa and only disclosed that she was trans during a heated argument and he returned to Moldova. 

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1 hour ago, magemaud said:

At the ill-fated couples massage, Jasmine claims to have seen Gino’s “sexy banana” but when he gets up he’s wearing shorts? 

You can also see them when she throws her top at him before he lies down.  She is lame. 

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26 minutes ago, MrBuhBye said:

You can also see them when she throws her top at him before he lies down.  She is lame. 

And it was a very unsexy Granny bra. 
Plus, between the sex the night before and her modeling the Sexy Nurse costume (and even him spanking her) he didn’t notice her “peachy” new ass? 

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I really didn’t need to hear about jasmines hymen… and I didn’t need to see her in the nurse costume, or see then pecking at each other… or hear about Gino’s banana… the only thing I can agree on is that it was really dumb for Gino to quit his job just because jasmine was coming… sure maybe take a few days off to get her settled, then take a day off to get her social security, drivers license, etc. But it’s not a pipe dream to live off of nothing. 

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I admit I was multitasking as I had this on in the background, so I may have missed a few things, but....

Ashley & Manuel (Luis 2.0)---calling bullshit on the super passionate sex. The dude could barely mumble a sentence, his eyes half closed as he stomped behind her on the tour of the apartment----could he have BEEN less thrilled to be reunited with his soulmate? And we are to believe after that they had some sex marathon? Ok Jan. The dude is clearly looking for a green card, maybe not even necessarily because he wants out of Ecuador, but to get the chance to earn more $$ for his kids and eventually sponsor them. Super strange that he didn't say good bye to his family before getting on the plane. From the way he was talking about it, sounds like he thought they could easily persuade him to stay. Which means he isn't sure of what he wants.....

Gino and Jasmine---so she got $2000 for butt implants from her ex lover (probably still fucking him) Dane? And we are to believe they are just friends? OMG. There is no need to ever tell Gino that part, if she does it is for drama or to intentionally hurt him. It's not like Gino is going to demand her bank statement to see how much she contributed, etc. Plus a massage hurt but ass play the night before didn't hurt? Bullshit. 

Nikki.....oh Nikki....you looked so much better 17 years ago, even more feminine I would say. Now she looks like a blow up doll. I am curious how many relationships she has had over her lifetime after her transition. The chemistry between her and Igor was......off. More mother-son (ick when you throw in the sexy talk). 

Rob and Sophie....how TF is he going to sit there with a straight face and try to make her feel like she is being extra or super bougie by saying she wants a place with a bathroom INSIDE?! He knows that is odd. I want to like him, he seems like a decent guy with a good heart but he also seems very damaged and insecure from whatever struggles he faced growing up. 

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On 10/21/2023 at 4:01 PM, MrBuhBye said:

His plastic surgery does seem more natural though.  I wouldn’t flag him for it if I passed him on the street.

Yes- I thought he may have had some facial work done, or it may have been aging and weight loss which can change how your features appear. (My nose looks much sharper with weight loss) Also more men wear makeup than they would admit, and makeup can do A LOT to shape your face. 

 

2 hours ago, FurBabyMama said:

I really didn’t need to hear about jasmines hymen… and I didn’t need to see her in the nurse costume, or see then pecking at each other… or hear about Gino’s banana… the only thing I can agree on is that it was really dumb for Gino to quit his job just because jasmine was coming… sure maybe take a few days off to get her settled, then take a day off to get her social security, drivers license, etc. But it’s not a pipe dream to live off of nothing. 

I think Jasmine did have a right to be upset about that. They are engaged and he just quits his job without discussing it with her???

 

7 minutes ago, Stuckathome said:

Rob and Sophie....how TF is he going to sit there with a straight face and try to make her feel like she is being extra or super bougie by saying she wants a place with a bathroom INSIDE?! He knows that is odd. I want to like him, he seems like a decent guy with a good heart but he also seems very damaged and insecure from whatever struggles he faced growing up. 

Those two seem like a couple that have genuine chemistry but some of this HAS to be for the storyline. I do think Rob is insecure about his apartment and his income, so he gets a defensive. I did think he was genuine regarding his reacting to the entire “cheating” situation, I think the producers wanted them to bring it up but he’s sick of it. 

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20 minutes ago, Stuckathome said:

Ashley & Manuel (Luis 2.0)---calling bullshit on the super passionate sex. The dude could barely mumble a sentence, his eyes half closed as he stomped behind her on the tour of the apartment----could he have BEEN less thrilled to be reunited with his soulmate? And we are to believe after that they had some sex marathon? Ok Jan.

Manuel credited all the whiskey they drank for their sex marathon.  Must have been a special witchy brew from Ashley if it was able to get his sluggish, lethargic ass moving! 

 

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12 hours ago, anoninrva said:

Unlike many whiskey snobs, I like Crown Royal, but it's only 80 proof.  That's actually a pretty bad spot to store liquor if it gets direct sun exposure.

Unfortunately, Gino letting his alcohol go bad due to bad storage is one of the few stories I can believe from them this season.  The timing of the "I quit my job" (and WTF didn't he just take an extended vacation?!) and "I spent your dress money on my butt" was just far too convenient to believe.  Likewise, Jasmine probably does have some psychological issues that contribute to her multiple plastic surgeries, but is this really the first time that's been brought up?

Don't forget that her "former boyfriend Dane" coughed up $2K for that butt too!

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38 minutes ago, Cementhead said:

Manuel credited all the whiskey they drank for their sex marathon.  Must have been a special witchy brew from Ashley if it was able to get his sluggish, lethargic ass moving! 

 

He does seem very lethargic. I agree with her Mom- he came to the states and didn’t even tell his Mom and the mother(s) of his kids where he was going??!! What if something happened to him or he got injured. What in the hell, sounds like he doesn’t intend to be there long. 

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54 minutes ago, Cementhead said:

Manuel credited all the whiskey they drank for their sex marathon.  Must have been a special witchy brew

special witchy brew indeed.....jet lagged and exhausted, it acted like viagra instead of giving him whiskey dick. 

16 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I agree with her Mom- he came to the states and didn’t even tell his Mom and the mother(s) of his kids where he was going??!! What if something happened to him or he got injured. What in the hell, sounds like he doesn’t intend to be there long. 

He gave some BS excuse how he is away for work for months at a time in Ecuador so it is same same. Bullshit. 

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8 hours ago, magemaud said:

And it was a very unsexy Granny bra. 
Plus, between the sex the night before and her modeling the Sexy Nurse costume (and even him spanking her) he didn’t notice her “peachy” new ass? 

I thought when she prodded him to comment on her hair she also would expect him to notice the butt.  Ten grand and they had sex a couple times and he didn’t even notice.  Must not be much of a change or he is truly clueless.

3 hours ago, FurBabyMama said:

 

I really didn’t need to hear about jasmines hymen

 

I thought she had vaginal rejuvenation which is different than reconstructing the hymen.  I am confused.  I thought the hymen surgery is when you are trying to trick someone into thinking you are a virgin.  She had two kids, has had sex with him, and made a sex tape with the Bank of Dane.

1 hour ago, Stuckathome said:

Super strange that he didn't say good bye to his family

I’m thinking his family has been prodding him to do this to get the green card so he is lying about them not knowing to avoid the subject accidentally coming up.

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1 hour ago, Stuckathome said:

Plus a massage hurt but ass play the night before didn't hurt? Bullshit. 

 

A massage can hurt even without surgery. Those looked more like regular sex toys than the butt plugs that she displayed in the restaurant.

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11 minutes ago, MrBuhBye said:

A massage can hurt even without surgery. Those looked more like regular sex toys than the butt plugs that she displayed in the restaurant.

My impression was that the toys were to loosen up her rejuvenated vagina in preparation for the real thing (as if Dane hadn’t already done that).

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1 hour ago, Stuckathome said:

you looked so much better 17 years ago, even more feminine

She said she sounded like a truck driver yet no one questioned it then?  Now is when they question it?

1 hour ago, Stuckathome said:

I am curious how many relationships she has had over her lifetime after her transition.

She mentioned in the car on the way to the airport that she had multiple sugar daddies who paid for her and that now the roles are reversed.  Wonder if there have been any relationships where money was not flowing in either direction. 

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1 hour ago, Stuckathome said:

super bougie by saying she wants a place with a bathroom INSIDE?

Is that an illegal conversion of a commercial property?  There are SROs and dorms etc. with shared bathrooms but is it even legal to require the occupant to go outside to access the bathroom?  And yeah SoCal doesn’t usually get a lot of rain (it did so this year, too bad she wasn’t visiting then) but still people do use heat and AC at various times of the year so the weather isn’t always equivalent to that indoors.

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

I did think he was genuine regarding his reacting to the entire “cheating” situation,

If he sent the woman revealing pics and vids back it is much worse but unless they met in person I don’t consider it actual cheating.

1 hour ago, Cementhead said:

Manuel credited all the whiskey they drank for their sex marathon.

Her spells made whiskey dick the opposite of its usual meaning.  They both seem sluggish so I am not picturing wild sex.

1 hour ago, goofygirl said:

Don't forget that her "former boyfriend Dane" coughed up $2K for that butt too!

Maybe she should sell her sex tape to fund more procedures.  And hey it made Kim Kardashian a star who knows?  

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17 minutes ago, MrBuhBye said:

If he sent the woman revealing pics and vids back it is much worse but unless they met in person I don’t consider it actual cheating.

I agree- but I don’t think that’s what happened, if he did, she would’ve said that “you sent pics to someone else”. This screams “conflict for storyline”. 

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1 hour ago, Gobi said:

My impression was that the toys were to loosen up her rejuvenated vagina in preparation for the real thing (as if Dane hadn’t already done that).

Ah, ok....yes, I did think they looked different than the set she was showing off at the restaurant to her friends...

 

1 hour ago, MrBuhBye said:

Her spells made whiskey dick the opposite of its usual meaning.  They both seem sluggish so I am not picturing wild sex.

I also sort of took his comment about having had a lot of whiskey in him to hint that he could only manage to get through it because he was super drunk...sober him, not remotely into this woman any longer beyond what she can provide. I am still surprised he performed at all, much less while whiskey drunk. 

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3 hours ago, Cementhead said:

Manuel credited all the whiskey they drank for their sex marathon.  Must have been a special witchy brew from Ashley if it was able to get his sluggish, lethargic ass moving! 

 

Not only great sex, he's an absolute FREAK in the sack. And if he's 34 and his teenage kids are "older" how old was he when he fathered them? And what about their mother(s)? 

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1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

I agree- but I don’t think that’s what happened, if he did, she would’ve said that “you sent pics to someone else”. This screams “conflict for storyline”. 

I thought in the previews early in the season this was referred to but maybe I’m daft.

37 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Not only great sex, he's an absolute FREAK in the sack. And if he's 34 and his teenage kids are "older" how old was he when he fathered them? And what about their mother(s)? 

I always want to hear what people consider freaky.  Maybe anything other than silent missionary lol.

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11 hours ago, magemaud said:

Plus, between the sex the night before and her modeling the Sexy Nurse costume (and even him spanking her) he didn’t notice her “peachy” new ass? 

All for the show. There was a camera shot of her butt when she was packing for her trip, and it looked massive. In other words, there is absolutely no way ANYONE would not notice that major of an enhancement. Bull that Gino never noticed. It's all to create some drama and a story line. Now we find out that Dane paid $2K. Sure thing. So we'll get to see some more fake drama next week.

4 hours ago, Stuckathome said:

The dude could barely mumble a sentence, his eyes half closed as he stomped behind her on the tour of the apartment----could he have BEEN less thrilled to be reunited with his soulmate?

Ashley seems like a vibrant, intelligent woman. She seems to me like someone who would value a working guy who could pull his own weight, dresses well and can spring for a nice dinner. (At the very least!!) I would go into a depression having to deal with someone every day with such low energy and shows no emotion. I need to see "life" in a partner or someone that matches my own energy.

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4 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

 

I thought she had vaginal rejuvenation which is different than reconstructing the hymen.  I am confused.  I thought the hymen surgery is when you are trying to trick someone into thinking you are a virgin.  She had two kids, has had sex with him, and made a sex tape with the Bank of Dane.

 

She said she had her hymen resewn to get back her virginity and spice up her sex life with Gino, that he would be turned on by taking her virginity or something like that… clearly she’s not a virgin and you can’t get back your virginity by sewing your hymen, so it’s just all weird and icky. 

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12 minutes ago, FurBabyMama said:

She said she had her hymen resewn to get back her virginity and spice up her sex life with Gino, that he would be turned on by taking her virginity or something like that… clearly she’s not a virgin and you can’t get back your virginity by sewing your hymen, so it’s just all weird and icky. 

I thought she wanted to be tighter after having two babies and that would be rejuvenation.  Maybe he’s just small so she thinks if she’s tighter they will fit better.

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2 hours ago, magemaud said:

Not only great sex, he's an absolute FREAK in the sack. And if he's 34 and his teenage kids are "older" how old was he when he fathered them? And what about their mother(s)? 

I assumed he was a teen- maybe 17/18 when they were born which would make his kids 15/16 now. If he was 20 when the youngest was born that would make the youngest 14. 

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35 minutes ago, FurBabyMama said:

She said she had her hymen resewn to get back her virginity and spice up her sex life with Gino, that he would be turned on by taking her virginity or something like that

Jasmine, Jasmine, Jasmine. She had it done because she wanted it done for some odd reason that had nothing to do with Gino. Just like when she said she got her butt implants not only for herself, but for Gino too. I'm sure it was never brought up and Gino admitted that he doesn't care. So Jasmine, you did it for you and Dane. Gino wasn't in the equation.

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Rob looked a little sketchy. Take the bass out your voice. Crazy eyes crazy eyes. 
 

Sophia had a valid point. Sophia looks gorgeous when she doesn’t have her makeup on. 
 

Nikki has a big butt. But she should know what this is. You’re sending him money. He’s gonna say what you want. He’s a gigalo. 
 

All he was saying was don’t dress so loud. 
 

Jasmine and Gino. I’m just gonna say it. Jasmine is a great actress. 
 

the over sex stuff. And the butt that was the dumbest thing. 
 

Gino if you don’t put boundaries up. She will run all over you and you will be in the poor house. 
 

He’s an idiot why do you quit your job???? He’s not wealthy. You don’t have to be up Jasmines ass everyday. She needs her Jasmine time. 
 

ever hear of the weekend? 

But I heard on other boards that people thought Robb had domestic violence vibes. 
 

I don’t know but she has every right to be pissed no pun intended see what I did there that she doesn’t have a bathroom to piss in. She’s gotta walk across the yard to use the bathroom. 2am not safe for a woman. Robb should not be combative about that. You gotta have your shit together bro. 

33 minutes ago, Breedom said:

Jasmine, Jasmine, Jasmine. She had it done because she wanted it done for some odd reason that had nothing to do with Gino. Just like when she said she got her butt implants not only for herself, but for Gino too. I'm sure it was never brought up and Gino admitted that he doesn't care. So Jasmine, you did it for you and Dane. Gino wasn't in the equation.

Bingo you are genius. I think Dane is saying take him for everything’s he’s got. I’ll give you $2,000 for the butt. He paid for that butt because he’s fucking. 

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Let me give y’all a perspective. I’ve been watching this show for a while. Even when David was in the firehouse with his wife she was cool and he always told her he was gonna get them out of there it was only temporary. He was nice to Annie. He was calm with her. He didn’t raise his voice. And he wasn’t combative. I’m just saying. 

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41 minutes ago, Ciarrai said:

People aren't looking at Nikki because they can see she's trans; they are looking at her because of her overdone plastic surgery.

He also said women in Moldova get glammed up only for parties and special occasions.  She is dressing for the clubs every day.

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54 minutes ago, MrBuhBye said:

He also said women in Moldova get glammed up only for parties and special occasions.  She is dressing for the clubs every day.

Yes I noticed that. Cultural context matters- like in FL people wear sandals and flip flops so often (because of the weather) but in other parts of the USA flip flops not at the beach/pool would get second looks. 

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14 hours ago, Ciarrai said:

People aren't looking at Nikki because they can see she's trans; they are looking at her because of her overdone plastic surgery.

This x100. I am sorry, I may get bashed for saying this, but I do feel sometimes like people who are in marginalized communities, whether that is race or gender or sexual identity, SOME of those people make this their ENTIRE identity. And if anything ever goes wrong in their life, or they dont' get their way it is CLEARLY because they are trans, or gay, or whatever. Sometimes, yes, people react a certain way because they are homophobic, or racist, etc. But sometimes it has nothing to do with that. Nikki wants to make every issue about her being trans. He just wants her to tone down the clothes and try to blend in with other WOMEN in Moldova. 

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Rob and Sophie are both acting brand new. She was fully aware of the outhouse/tiny living situation, and he knew she was a high maintenance Barbie Doll. I'm more annoyed by Rob's "We not gon talk bout this everyday" attitude than Sophies Pie in the Sky California Dreamin. I'll continue to watch, but I'll roll my eyes while I do! 

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I’m trying to figure out Sophie’s hair, she’s a beautiful girl but her hair appears to have been burned off with bleach.  Rob?  Has an ugly temper and seems to be such a jerk.  And I don’t know if I believe that her family doesn’t help her financially…or maybe I do, looking at her poor hair. ( I too once burned mine off all the way to the scalp in patches, so I’m feeling for her.)

I also think Gino quit his job as a control thing.  He’s not bringing in money, so she can’t spend and he controls his savings.  That and they are both good actors. 
 

Nikki looks like a Real Housewife.  She does seem like a sweet person though, with her boy wonder, Andre-light.  
 


 

 

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On 10/23/2023 at 8:10 AM, Scarlett45 said:

I think Jasmine did have a right to be upset about that. They are engaged and he just quits his job without discussing it with her???

agreed- but Jasmine spends $10k of THEIR money without consulting him? This marriage certainly is well-rooted in trust and transparency (sarcasm). At least she has butt plugs and a nurse costume to keep them entertained while they are home without food and unable to pay the bills (sarcasm). Did we really need to see the damn sex toys? This show can't stoop any lower.

Nicki is already doing what every American woman does who goes to a conservative country: "You aren't going to hide me! I can act any way I want because I'm a LIBERATED AMERICAN WOMAN, dammit!" Justin (Igor) is obviously nervous about her impression on others and how it will all be received.  And honestly, she is so alarming looking to me- trans or not- that there will surely be a lot of stares. Her eyes seem like they were pulled up way too high on her forehead and it looks like her nose was seriously botched (lots of scarring at the tip). But hey, she herself says she is gorgeous so...

I am from Rochester and I am LIVING for the upstate NY accents. It's hilarious to me. I haven't been there in decades so I don't recognize any of the places they have gone to. Failing thus far to understand what the draw of this guy was, though. He looks bored to tears and not terribly interested in American culture, food, or what's-her-name's dog/profession ("I'm witchy!")/apartment. 

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2 hours ago, Meowwww said:

I’m trying to figure out Sophie’s hair, she’s a beautiful girl but her hair appears to have been burned off with bleach.

Sophie’s hair isn’t human hair. It’s artificial hair woven in aka a weave. Weaves and wigs can be so fun, but usually women that are into their hair/makeup/social media influencing purchase human hair if they can afford it. Since Sophie is supposed to be of means I was surprised by her choice, both style and color doesn’t flatter her IMO. 

 

1 hour ago, KateHearts said:

Her eyes seem like they were pulled up way too high on her forehead and it looks like her nose was seriously botched (lots of scarring at the tip). But hey, she herself says she is gorgeous so...

 

Her eyes look very small to me and her cheeks look inflated- not with fat (like someone with a naturally round face) but molded out of clay. 

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14 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Her eyes look very small to me and her cheeks look inflated- not with fat (like someone with a naturally round face) but molded out of clay. 

It just looks off like when they find a skull and use digital tools to try to represent what the person looked like while alive.

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On 10/23/2023 at 10:09 AM, MrBuhBye said:

Is that an illegal conversion of a commercial property?  There are SROs and dorms etc. with shared bathrooms but is it even legal to require the occupant to go outside to access the bathroom?

It's clearly an illegal conversion, maybe of a casita or garage. There is no way that a living unit without an attached bathroom is legal in LA County.

On 10/24/2023 at 5:43 PM, Meowwww said:

I’m trying to figure out Sophie’s hair,

Agree that it's a cheap wig. Nothing attractive about that.

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11 hours ago, IvySpice said:

It's clearly an illegal conversion, maybe of a casita or garage. There is no way that a living unit without an attached bathroom is legal in LA County.

On 10/24/2023 at 7:43 PM, Meowwww said:

So of course you should go on television to expose your illegal living situation 

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9 hours ago, magemaud said:

So of course you should go on television to expose your illegal living situation 

Maybe with her incessant whining he planned to move before it aired.  She stayed there before and came back so she knew what she was getting into.

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17 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Maybe they’re not telling us that it’s another a Singyn’s Shed situation and it's really on a friend’s property. 

I could see that. I am not super familiar with accessory dwelling units in CA, however it could be that it's a converted garage space (or several) with a shared bathroom attached to the main dwelling or garage. I can see a single Rob being 100% comfortable with that situation (especially if the landlord is friend or family member) but I dont blame Sophie for not liking it. 

I know in many rural areas individuals would let extended family park trailers and motor homes on their property and use the main bathroom/kitchen facilities as needed for a small rental fee. People have some privacy but a safe place to live for very little many. 

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