Utopia (US) Live Feed Discussion

[4leafclover]

Ok now I'm mad.  If Red hadn't stepped up and taken Bri's place, America's vote may have been Aaron!  Now we have the same 3 up again and Nikki is telling Bri how to present herself to the other's so she won't be replaced.  Sickening--Nikki shut up!

 

ETA:  Bri has not even thanked Red for helping her.  Nikki is telling Bri that America voted for her because she doesn't spend enough time working.

Edited September 27, 2014 by 4leafclover

[Rapunzel]

It sounds like Nikki may be trying make Bri feel better since I think she feels bad about being selected by America. Even though she's somehow managed to make this group of idiots feel sorry for her or whatever and for some reason tried to save her she can't avoid the fact that the whole country thinks she's a piece of shit.

[riverheightsnancy]

I know people want Aaron gone, I do too, but if Bri doesn't go, I don't think that I can stand to watch/read it anymore. I cannot abide by what she did to the animals. 

I don't understand why people are not more upset about this (Utopians that is). I guess animals and whether they suffer really don't count in other people's worldviews. Sad. 

[4leafclover]

Bri has been acting so "humbled," and said she is disappointed that the experiment is all about "money and greed, not love and compassion."  I'm speechless.

 

I'm worried that Red may really walk out this time--he is showing Chris and Amanda how to care for the animals. He said that Utopia has become a "Communist" environment.

Edited September 27, 2014 by 4leafclover

[MissMel]

And Red is now asking for people to come with him to make sure they know how to take care of the animals. Someone asked him "why? You're not going anywhere.". He said because he has a responsibilty to them. Haha!

[DeLurker]

Someone's gotta be putting together a clip of Bri's whine-a-thon interspersed with clips of her idea of "peace and compassion" - force feeding the little moo cow, saying how she was going to "break" Bella, various lying...

 

If Red wants out, I hope he gets to go (so he won't lose the stipend).  If he was stepping up just out of some misguided pity on Bri, I don't want him to go.  The Mootopians need him!  But he's right - you can't cure stupid and there is plenty o'stupid there.

Edited September 27, 2014 by DeLurker

[ElleryAnne]

Gah.  I don't entirely trust this.  Supposedly Production kept insisting we weren't missing anything related to the vote, yet when the feeds come back Red has volunteered to take Bri's place?  That seems voting-related to me.  Why didn't we get to see that discussion?  

[Rapunzel]

I hope Bri just cries the whole time. She might. She's sure trying for pitiful misunderstood child right now.

So what happened to the hard ass girl who's been in Compton and seen violence and could totally deal with it?

 

Now Mike is trying to comfort her. He's also saying that her lack of work and sleeping in late is probably the reason she was chosen but what 20 year old doesn't behave the way that she has? It's completely normal - she likes to sleep in and likes to stay up late. She should maybe try to change that, per Mike. When I was 20 I may have liked to sleep late, but I had responsibilities and couldn't afford to. I was a full time university student with a double major who also worked around 30 hours a week. Her age is absolutely no excuse for her laziness and it definitely isn't an excuse for her sadistic, cruel behavior particularly related to the animals.

 

Now Nikki is saying that they should just make sure her chores are all scheduled for the afternoon and evening. Bri says that would be great and she could definitely make that work. Mike mentioned that that might not solve the problem. They're trying to get her to make whatever they are calling "Bri-chinos" the night before so they could have them in the morning and that would be awesome. Mike is saying that maybe it's the fault of the other Utopians as they didn't take her 'under their wing' and try to help her succeed there. This is such bullshit. The girl is a spoiled, self-centered, lazy, sociopathic, bitchy, piece of shit who doesn't care about anyone or any thing else.

Edited September 27, 2014 by Rapunzel

[riverheightsnancy]

Ok, so if Red leaves, then that is when we start bombing everyone on the animal care. Production cannot do a single thing right. They should have booted Bri on abuse grounds, and then at least, she wouldn't be involved in the animal care.

[whack-a-mole]

Production lies. It's almost in the job description.

 

Also, I'm not sure Red is planning on leaving. This is a good way to drive home that Bri is incompetent with the animals and he had to learn to take up the slack.

[ElleryAnne]

Mike is saying that maybe it's the fault of the other Utopian's as they didn't take her 'under their wing' and try to help her succeed there.

 

 

Or maybe America doesn't like seeing her hold a newborn calf in a choke hold.  

[4leafclover]

Haha--Mike telling Bri how NOT to act lazy!  I can't stop laughing at the irony!

[ElleryAnne]

I can't get over the fact that they're basically saying America isn't forgiving enough of her for being young.  These guys don't get it at all.  

Edited September 27, 2014 by ElleryAnne

[Rahul]

Haha--Mike telling Bri how NOT to act lazy!  I can't stop laughing at the irony!

 

The operative word there is act.

[Rapunzel]

Yep - Bri is on about how money, greed, etc. are the problems in the world. She says she came from money so she knows all about it and that it can cause issues.

 

Chris just asked her how she felt about the "America" thing. She is now changing her tune and saying she pretty much expected it. She knows she can be a bitch. Does she also know that she is and comes across as a sadistic, animal abusing, piece of shit? She might be a little shocked about that since that's a big part of the reason America wants her out.

 

Ugh- now even Dede is telling Bri that 'she's expected to' behave a certain way as 'she's 20.' This is just insulting to every 20 year old or to everyone who's ever been 20 and wasn't a sociopath.

Edited September 27, 2014 by Rapunzel

[ElleryAnne]

Someone (Chris or Rob) just asked her if she knew her name might be in the letter (the America vote).  She said, yes she did - because that's the only way the whole thing with Red made sense.  

 

Definitely something weird went on while the feeds were off.

[4leafclover]

 

 

Haha--Mike telling Bri how NOT to act lazy!  I can't stop laughing at the irony!

The operative word there is act.

 

You're right--I should have typed Mike is telling Bri how NOT to appear lazy!  But either way, he's not taking his own advice!

[ElleryAnne]

Ugh- now even Dede is telling Bri that 'she's expected to' behave a certain way as 'she's 20.' This is just insulting to every 20 year old or to everyone who's ever been 20 and wasn't a sociopath.

 

 

This.  At 20, some people are soldiers.  Some are in college.  Some are volunteers with organizations like the Peace Corp.  Bri?  Is a brat.

 

Also, she just said she comes from money?  And I think Chris mentioned that once, as well.  And her video on the official website says she's a farm girl who handles horses and knows how to make her own jam and butter and build huts.  She's got quite a varied history.

[Rapunzel]

Bella  just told Dede that she really wanted Bri to stay. She wants Red to go as she feels they need to get 'rid of the big tempers' and that Red likes to argue. She does know, however, that Bri and Chris were trying to cause issues with her and get her voted out. I just can't understand why, when she knows that, she would want Bri to stay. That almost makes me want Bella to go - though still not more than Bri, but maybe before Aaron. Bella is a bit eccentric and she has some issues but she needs to try to use her friggin brain and see who is causing the real problems.

[hincandenza]

I think it's goddamn hilarious that they broke their own tie and even with the Kool Kidz Klub they picked Bri over Red... then Red decided to take Bri's place (why, Red, why?!?! As mentioned, this might have robbed us of a bella/aaron/bri trio!)... and then We the People put her back in anyway! Nice work, you guys!

Suck up the tears, psycho, because even those idiots you fooled will soon come to realize what a horrible person you are. Hopefully in time for this first eviction vote: the consoling of Baby Bri is worrying me, but maybe against all odds they'll realize thay if their 2nd highest vote getter was America's pick then she's the clear choice even over Red and Bella.

[4leafclover]

I think Red acts before he thinks it through.  He told Amanda he might leave today, but then later he said he didn't want to disappoint the visitors who will be there tomorrow to see him.  Now he seems to be back in campaign mode, seemingly trying to explain to people how Aaron is undermining the group.  Yeah, Red--if you had just let things take their natural course, we may have had a Bella, Bri, Aaron vote.

[liqidclark]

Wow, this show sounds worse than Big Brother. Amazing.

[MissMel]

Bri IS an insult to 20 year olds. I have 2 of them at home right now. When I realized her age, I asked my husband how he would like to live her instead of my two. He said there's no fucking way and was shocked Bri was that old!

[Rahul]

I could be wrong, but when this whole train wreck of a show started I thought that the original plan was for the Utopians to put up the two for elimination and then for the viewers to vote out which of the two would go.

 

 

The plan was to have three contestants nominated for eviction. This "viewer's choice" is an eleventh hour ploy to somehow galvanize the quickly eroding audience into sticking with the network now that other stations have started broadcasting original content.

 

I couldn't find the original FOX press release that delineates the ousting process, but here's an excerpt from an early article on the show by deadline:

Like in Big Brother, the Utopia participants nominate fellow inhabitants for elimination in a process in which the viewers also vote to nominate a contestant for elimination. After the vote, three inhabitants land in the danger zone and two aspiring new contestants arrive. One of the two newcomers will quickly have to leave, but the one who gets to stay receives exceptional power; he or she decides which one of the three nominated inhabitants will definitively be eliminated.

 

Full article at http://deadline.com/2014/01/is-this-the-next-hot-reality-format-john-de-mols-social-experiment-utopia-starts-strong-in-holland-to-be-shopped-in-us-660269/

[4leafclover]

Bri is so disappointed with the people who voted for her because "all they care about is money."  She thinks this was an opportunity to show America how a perfect society could be formed but instead, they are letting money and greed get in the way.  Per Bri, she's only 20 years old but SHE knows the world should be so much more than that (yeah, I read in the real world, Bri drives a Mercedes that her parents bought for her).  She said Bella is the one who should go because Bella has so much "ingenuinity."  Ugh, the things that come out of her mouth!  

Edited September 27, 2014 by 4leafclover

[Rapunzel]

Bri and Red were just talking out on the dock. I was kind of shocked as they seemed to get along and given that Red likes to call out those that don't really work and has had to pick up a lot of Bri's slack with the animals, none of it seemed to be mentioned. Red is all about how much he can't stand Aaron and how he wants him out. Unfortunately he can't see past his Aaron hate to realize that anyone else is doing something wrong - especially since the Vets flat out told him they didn't want Bri feeding the calf after they saw her trying to force feed it.

 

Red is so hung up on Aaron and what he cooks when he cooks it and also mentioned to Bri that Aaron 'stole' some of the deer meat. There are definite issues with Aaron and no way is he a real, trained Chef (again I just have to mention the treatment of the cast iron cookware - a piece of which he brought in) and he can't seem to manage equal portion sizes for everyone and Taylor and Kristen, along with himself, seem to get the lion's share of the food and he's also taken advantage of funds that should have been for 'communal meals' to order frozen pizzas and other snacks for he and Kristen to eat between communal meals. However, given that Red seems to have real affection for the animals and is concerned about their care - including wanting to ensure that the cows are milked fully and on time so they aren't uncomfortable - and he was told first hand by the Vets that they didn't want Bri near that calf as they saw the force feeding incident (after he himself told her not to go feed the calf and to let her get hungry for the 4pm feeding - Bri went down there at 1pm to put what basically amounted to a choke hold on the calf to try to force feed her), why is he even considering keeping her around? So much so that he volunteered to take her place as one of the two selected by the group to be voted out? His hate for Aaron has to be off the charts. Since he knows now that Aaron isn't one of the three up for eviction, maybe he'll start to change his thinking about Bri? I have my doubts though as the conversation he had with her on the dock came after the three were determined and he seemed pretty positive towards her.

[4leafclover]

Here's what happened during the meeting (from the live feeds update page):

 

With a tie in second place, Rob addressed the group to explain the next steps. Red and Bri were asked to step outside while the rest of the Utopians would re-vote for the two of them to decide second place. And then, the ONLINE OUTCAST would be revealed.

But before that could happen, Red stood up, gave an impromptu speech about socialism (!), told the Utopians he would take the second spot on the replacement shortlist to avoid a tie-breaker and stormed off. Typical Red.

With Red taking Bri's spot, she thought she could sit pretty. But later, Rob revealed the ONLINE OUTCAST vote, and it turns out our #Viewtopians have had enough of her.

So the three Utopians who are up for replacement are: BELLA, RED and BRI.

Soon, the Utopians will vote again to decide which of these three will be asked to leave Utopia forever.

If you are on the live feeds, you can click on News From Utopia, then click on "And The Replacement Vote Begins...."  At the end of that article, it asks you to vote for the one of the three that you think should leave.  I don't know if that vote helps, but I'm hoping production looks at it.

[ElleryAnne]

Kristen has a point, but her plan is supposed to be only three days but it screws with the money long term after three days and Amanda keeps pressing that problem home.

 

 

So this is Kristen's equivalent to Hex's three-day anarchy government, or the presumably-upcoming (if she isn't booted first) three-day dictatorship/genocide that Bri is planning?  Except Kristen - or maybe Aaron with Kristen as a sock puppet - is planning to make this last more than three days?  

 

 

Kristen says her original plan (open to modification) is that entrepreneurs would put 40 percent of their profits into community and keep 60 percent for themselves. People can invest if the entrepreneur opens for that.  Chores are worth 1/2 percent of community money as wages.  Entrepreneurs who sell during community events give 100 percent to community. The division of 60/40 percent applies to online sales on the side.

 

 

So the folks like Josh and Red who spend all their time actually working around the compound would get next to nothing, while Bella can do commission art projects and make a bunch of money?  

 

Red comes over. He says he's staying for the crowd tomorrow. Josh says folks come to see him.  Whether he has a change of heart or not I don' know after that. I hope he stays.

 

 

I hope he stays.  I worry for the mootopians if he doesn't.   Earlier when I was watching,  Red asked for people to learn how to take care of them, and he wasn't exactly inundated with volunteers. 

[whack-a-mole]

I hope he stays.  I worry for the mootopians if he doesn't.   Earlier when I was watching,  Red asked for people to learn how to take care of them, and he wasn't exactly inundated with volunteers. 

Made worse because this new plan doesn't value the work done with the mootopians making it even less likely anybody else wants to learn and commit to it. Just take away the cows. They're not interested in having them, and it's making nearly everybody involved except Red look bad. 

[Rapunzel]

Kristen and Bella are talking and Kristen is saying that she worked in a lot of "cut throat" environments, including a job at a bank, and she couldn't deal with it so that's why she decided to be an 'entrepreneur.' She has yet to define what that means exactly and I haven't heard her talk about any business ventures that she's started up in the real world. Given her  horrid math skills, I have a hard time believing she ever worked at a bank or that she's an actual 'entrepreneur.' Her poor math ability may cause her rule in Utopia to fail - she'll have no idea what percentage anyone is actually keeping vs. giving to the group.

[Rapunzel]

Chris, Kristen and Bri are down feeding the calf. Kristen is holding the bottle and the calf is going to town. Bri isn't even attempting to touch or interact with the calf - I have a feeling she's only there because Chris is as apparently she hasn't really accepted the whole break up thing. Chris has told others he wishes she wasn't always hanging around him especially as they broke up, but there she is. I hope he leads the charge to vote  her out if for no other reason than that she won't be following him around anymore.

[Rapunzel]

Bri is talking to Ernesto, and she again says that her family has money and that it’s trivial to her. She says that they’re not in Utopia to pick money or other material things. It’s not about power or wealth. It’s about peace and love and blah blah blah...

 

She said her family is very strict Vietnamese Catholic and they wanted her to conform to their rules. Her family is very money driven and she chose to leave that all behind and that is not why she’s here. She said that Chris has his glass blowing thing and she can do ceramics. She said that she and Chris are going to get a kiln. She also said she makes great coffee – the “Bri-chinos” - and that everyone loves them and they are going to sell those at the events and that those are gold. She said she’s offended that Ernesto seems to think that she can’t contribute and when he said that at the vote it disappointed her. She said she didn’t think he was money hungry, so she was really upset that he said what he did at the vote. Ernesto is saying that she shouldn’t think about it that way. He’s not money hungry. He had to make a choice and he made a business decision. It wasn’t emotional. She said “but I’m all about peace and love and everything…” blah blah blah. This is the same girl who said she could ‘break Bella’ and get her to leave and that she wanted to see Bella dead. Where is the peace and love there?

[4leafclover]

Bri talking to Ernesto about why he voted for her--"I was offended when you said I don't have anything to contribute.  You don't know me or my business plan, you didn't get to know me."  Ernesto said he only had a short time to get to know everyone and voted based on what he saw during that time.  Bri told him all this talk about money and power is not her Utopia--"money leads to corruption and power and greed.  We go to war over money.  My Utopia is love and peace and compassion, and thumbtacks and shoving people's eyeballs down their throats."   

 

Ok, I added that last part myself.  Heehee!

[DeLurker]

Has Bri even made an effort to talk to Ernesto? Didn't sound like it from the recaps.

Poor guy - he seems like a normal and rational person so far. Maybe he was mistaken for a mass murdering borderline personality pyromaniac who also applied and was green lighted on a case of mistaken identity?

[ElleryAnne]

Somebody needs to explain to Bri that she can't be all about love and peace and compassion while she's also gleefully wishing for people to be broken or dead.  The two ideas are pretty much mutually exclusive.  Girl needs to pick a side and commit.  

[4leafclover]

@ElleryAnne,  right now Bri is desperately trying to rebuild some burned bridges.  When Ernesto confronted her on what she said about Bella, she immediately became "poor Bri."  She told him that Bella has aimed most of her negativity at her, she has called Bri names, yelled at her, been aggressive to her and if she (Bri) was just a stronger person, it wouldn't affect her so much.  Bri said she shouldn't have said that about wanting Bella dead, "that was wrong of me."   Ernesto keeps apologizing to Bri.  Oh please Ernesto--don't fall for this!  

[whack-a-mole]

Bri really does seem in full on emotional manipulation mode. She's really playing up her rich girl doesn't care about material stuff because she never had to work for anything in her life story. No matter how many rainbows she tries to wrap around that, it's a pretty pathetic story when they need to eat and feed the animals. If she had some humanity to her, it could be a good wakeup call to a simply spoiled rich kid. Too bad her issues seem way deeper.

 

I think some of the problem with how this is playing out to us is we know a lot more of her past scary behavior and they never really grasped the full extent of her issues with the animals.

 

She's a calculating little manipulator though. Sociopaths usually are. 

[4leafclover]

Yes, they are--charming and manipulative to get their own needs met.  I hate that most of them are falling for this, part of me thinks she wants to stay just to get back at the ones who voted for her!  

 

Red is now telling Ernesto that he wants to go home to his family, that Bri is from a conservative family and "the things she's done while she's here are not conservative at all."  Red thinks Bri needs to stay so she can learn how to be a better person.  He told Ernesto that Bella needs to stay because she doesn't have a home to go back to.  I think his heart is in the right place but he is sorely misguided.  

[MissMel]

Maybe Amanda thinks the shit will be less deep out there? I dunno...

[4leafclover]

Chris and Kristen seem to be a little cozy lately.........Kristen better watch her back, or she may just lift the lid on a boiling pot and find something in there that she loves--lol.

[photo fox]

30 minutes? Not good. Really not good. If they're going to keep these cows, they need to get a milking machine. Especially if they send Red home, as I can't imagine anyone else being capable or willing to milk a recently fresh cow well enough to empty her udder.

[Wildgypsie]

If the cows have hurt them before as they were getting milked, I'm sorry but Amanda shouldn't be out there milking or alone, in the condition she is in.

[Rapunzel]

30 minutes? Not good. Really not good. If they're going to keep these cows, they need to get a milking machine. Especially if they send Red home, as I can't imagine anyone else being capable or willing to milk a recently fresh cow well enough to empty her udder.

Kristen, Aaron and Chris are now talking about who to vote out. Aaron quickly says that based on Red's behavior today, he is voting for Red. Even though he originally said Bella today, he's fed up with Red and that's who he's voting for and he will be shocked if the vote is not unanimous for Red. Kristen, being Aaron's complete lackey, says that she will also vote out Red. I didn't hear whether or not Chris had a choice, but these asshats need to consider who is going to care for the animals if Red goes. I know Red acts as though he wants to go and basically says he's going to self evict about once a day but I don't think he's really serious about it. I think, regardless of how wasteful he thinks they may be, the stipend may be more than he makes outside. Also, Production does seem to be catering to him a bit. I don't even want to think about what would happen to the animals if he left.

 

Yuck - Kristen is telling Chris and Aaron how she has had 'wet dreams' while in Utopia. Apparently perhaps involving other Utopians. This is so disgusting. She is clearly trying to flirt with both of them and is looking pretty desperate with her approach.

[Rapunzel]

Kristen is now saying that she is so comfortable with Aaron that she will start farting in front of him. I just can't with these people. This is supposed to be some kind of 'social experiment' where many different types of people come together to try to determine what the 'ideal society' might look like. Instead, Aaron just now told Chris how Kristen farted in front of him last night and how raunchy it was. This is just so disgusting.

 

Kristen has now just told Aaron and Chris that she may have a thing for Mike. Aaron says he needs to party with Mike - Mike doesn't drink, he makes a lot of money, he has multiple foursomes and he's the only guy involved in those foursomes, etc.

 

Kristen is trying to cope with the fact that either she or Aaron is going to leave long before the other. Aaron can't believe she would even say that. Chris says it will happen unless they both stay until the end (I really hope not given the current discussion). Aaron thinks Mike will stay until the end unless he wants to go. Chris will as well. Amanda may unless she decides she wants to go because of the baby.

 

Kristen just said she wants someone there to get pregnant while in Utopia. Chris asks her if she would get pregnant with their 'collective baby.' Kristen says she would. Chris says "are you serious? I was kidding." or something along those  lines and she quickly says no she wouldn't. Watching and hearing her initial response, I think she was likely serious with her first response (or at least definitely considering it). Just more  Yuck with these people. Send them all (or at least most of them) home and give us a new batch.

Edited September 28, 2014 by Rapunzel

[ElleryAnne]

Kristen is trying to cope with the fact that either she or Aaron is going to leave long before the other.

 

 

Well, if it's a worry for her, they could just DOR together.  Right now.  I bet a lot of people would be happy if they did.

[Rapunzel]

Dede and Mike are lying in bed talking. They are whispering and it isn’t easy to hear what they are saying. Dede says that Mike is the ‘voice of critical thinking’ which is ‘huge.’ Critical thinking? He clearly is completely incapable of mustering up the energy to do basic math to keep their ‘ledger’ and I think some days he may even forget to embezzle. He appears to be so lazy that he can barely manage to get out of bed to screw Dede every day.

 

They are saying something about how much of the group doesn’t like Kristen’s plan for her rule and that it just can’t work right now. Mike mentions something about how they need to try to make back all the money that they lost and people are bothered about that since they are still trying to get something regular going as a group and they do not have the ability to branch out individually. Not sure exactly what he means about the money they ‘lost.’ I think the majority of it was spent by these asshats on stupid, frivolous shit (like the 4lbs of sour patch kids they ordered today) or embezzled by others in the group including Mike, who in addition to doing whatever he is doing with the ledger and ignoring what he knows is theft by the others based on receipts (or lack thereof), has been shoving a lot of the entrance fees for the ‘Utopian Experience’ into his pants. As much as I want Red to stick around for the animals, he had his share in the mistreatment of funds as well with Dave when they broke into the safe and each took over $400 shortly after they had been given their $5k startup funds to order their junk food for 'Utopia State of Freedom' – most of which contained gluten which Red supposedly cannot have and is his main reason for pulling his funds out of the group as he said Aaron and others were ‘forcing’ him to eat gluten. Somehow Red and Dave felt they were each entitled to around $450 as their share of the $5k, however if they had bothered to do the math correctly they would have realized that it was more like $330. Red has been fabulous with the animals and the new calf, so I'm willing to overlook a lot of his missteps but can he at least please stop threatening to self evict every day?

 

Mike says he needs to get to sleep as he has to get up in 5 hours so he isn’t berated and needs to ‘put his money where his mouth is’ about doing work and taking care of the cows. This is completely shocking and I'm willing to bet he doesn't manage to get off his lazy ass to do anything more than usual - which is basically nothing.

 

Dede said she  made a list with two columns – one was ‘Still Romantic’ and one was ‘Not Romantic.’ She said that she had having churned butter as ‘Still Romantic’ but that it was no longer ‘Romantic’ to have to be ‘milking the fucking cow.’  Dede really dropped in my estimation. Her choice of Mike wasn’t all that stellar and she wasn’t at the top of my list based partially on that but I thought she valued other living things a bit more and respected the animals. Given her statement about having to milk ‘the fucking cow’ I guess that’s not the case. She’s nowhere near Bri levels of despicable, certainly, but I guess I thought she had a better attitude/outlook than she does.

Edited September 28, 2014 by Rapunzel

[areca]

Given her statement about having to milk ‘the fucking cow’ I guess that’s not the case.

As long as they do it, I don't seem to mind them being pissed off that they are stuck with a fucking cow they don't want, which takes their resources away from chores and projects that they could otherwise pursue. I think the phrase was more like 'milk the fucking cow' than milk 'the fucking cow'. If that makes sense? Edited September 28, 2014 by areca

[clod]

Apparently the group voted for Bri to go against Bella, then Red told the group he would take Bri's place.

 

 

was that in the rules? did they just make that up? a tiebreaker made it Bri, right? so how can you just ignore that?   Production was ok with that?    I would not be.      people had their reasons for voting for Bri in the initial vote  AND  in the tiebreaker vote.

 

 

my prediction is that Red will go, because he wants to go.

Edited September 28, 2014 by clod

[DeLurker]

To be fair Taylor is not representative of the gender otherwise Bri is the female example of womanhood.

I can't accept that. Nope, I refuse. Plugging my ears and singing my favorite ear worm to block it all out.

But I acknowledge Taylor is disgusting.

Edited September 28, 2014 by DeLurker

[DeLurker]

Production: please sub in a bull before Mike tries to milk.