S16.E12: Getting to the Crust

[princelina]

On 3/23/2023 at 2:37 PM, endure said:

 I think it is as boring as heck when they resort to drawing questions out of a bowl, as if that is any way to maintain or build a relationship, then why don't I know of any couple who has ever done this?  

Stupid Dr. Pepper!  "Having fun is great and all, but you're not going to FALL IN LOVE until you endlessly discuss it and use the word vulnerable at least 57 times!" 🙄. I agree with Clint that conversation is how you get to know someone, and sharing your own stories usually makes the other person think of things that they would like to share, unless they're just being stubborn and refusing to relate.  Pointed questions are awkward and often leave the askee feeling put on the spot and unable to come up with a good answer right then and there - see Jasmine being expected to come up with a personal trauma right after Orgy Airiss talks about his friend committing suicide.  

On 3/23/2023 at 2:40 PM, qtpye said:

Does anyone else think this is the only time in MAFS history where people need to trade spouses?

The only thing that might make it weird is that Shaq and Kirsten might have been intimate by this point.

I feel like we talk about trading spouses semi-often around here 😄. I don't know why sex would be awkward considering that they're not all really friends and don't need to hang out together.  It's not like they came on here as virgins.  (Sorry Iris!)

[bichonblitz]

7 hours ago, qtpye said:

Chris said that he thinks Nicole is attractive but he usually dates thinner women.

Well, that's interesting considering Chris is "thick" himself. Where does he get off saying anything about Nicole because if he isn't sporting a dad bod I don't know who is.  Shut up, Chris, go in a corner and cry about your dogs until nice Nicole finds a solution for you.

Edited March 25, 2023 by bichonblitz

[qtpye]

4 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Well, that's interesting considering Chris is "thick" himself. Where does he get off saying anything about Nicole because if he isn't sporting a dad bod I don't know who is.  Shut up, Chris, go in a corner and cry about your dogs until nice Nicole finds a solution for you.

I totally agree.

Chris is a little tubby, himself. 

I wish he had said, "Look, I know I need to tone up so why don't we do it, together."

[Jeanne222]

There's that old saying about words hurt.  Gina and Clint hurt each other with their words and Chris hurt Nicole with his.

You can't take them back once said.  They linger in the air forever.

[Starlight925]

Agree, @Jeanne222 about words hurting.  I will still never understand how Doug Heiner got past watching Jamie on their wedding day.  She walked out of the ceremony and made vomit noises, she thought he was so ugly.  

Let's add Ms. Monotone herself, Kirsten, about Shaq and his bald head.  We never really know what's going on with a person; turns out, he's very self-conscious of having the combination of losing his hair at a young age with scars from a horrible accident.   

Jasmine & Shaq are having a nice talk in the previews.  Fingers crossed for these two nice people.  Hey, stranger things have happened.  Remember the MAFS expert Dr. Jessica, who married "unwanted" groom Jon?  They are still together!

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by Starlight925

[StatisticalOutlier]

21 hours ago, endure said:

His comment regarding her thickness was ridiculous and instead he should have said something like... he really admires how she is in great physical shape and works hard at it.

To be fair, the comment was to the cameras and I remember it being at the wedding.  He wouldn't have had time to evaluate her fitness vs. thickness, or the presence of mind to couch things in a certain way, especially when not talking to someone directly.  I shudder to think what not-well-thought-out comments I'd make if I were in these people's shoes, being on camera after a wedding to a stranger.  Of course, that's one reason, among a million, I would never sign up for something like this.

17 hours ago, princelina said:

Pointed questions are awkward and often leave the askee feeling put on the spot and unable to come up with a good answer right then and there - see Jasmine being expected to come up with a personal trauma right after Orgy Airiss talks about his friend committing suicide. 

Yes!  I was playing along at home, wondering how I'd answer any of the questions and was coming up as blank as Jasmine.  Not everyone has suffered life-altering childhood trauma. 

As for Clint, I can't quite put my finger on what it is I'm noticing.  He talks a lot, obviously, but also, it seems like he's narrating(?).  Or not doing a very good job of being handed discussion topics by the production team and turning them into conversation.  Only rarely do he and Gina seem to be just talking back and forth.  Maybe that's why the discussion about eating Hank tickled me--it seemed natural.

[Starlight925]

OK so here's how old I am.  For those who remember "Thirtysomething", Clint reminds me of Elliot.  (Michael's best friend).

Chris's "thick" camera comment reminds me of a hilarious show "Rules of Engagement", where Audrey makes a "back fat" comment about a bride while the bride's young cousin, a boy of about 10, is videotaping behind her and tries to blackmail her.

[LuvMyShows]

On 3/25/2023 at 1:52 AM, Starlight925 said:

Clint is an Account Executive at a large tech company.  I won’t name it, but it’s out there. 
He definitely makes good money, and he’s been there a few years.  
I have to use his software  every day, and I despise it.  The most non user-friendly of its type, and I’m a trained specialist in it.  Hate it. 

OK, Starlight925, you don't have to answer, but SAS is the most non user-friendly major tech company software that I have ever used...curious if that was it.

On 3/23/2023 at 2:39 AM, endure said:

Airiss gets disappointed when he asks his wife what her favourite colour is and she says pink, he wanted to get deep, WTF is wrong wit that man lol 😳

That was a weird example that he chose to give whoever he was talking to, because I wouldn't expect there to be story behind my favorite color.  So he actually weakened his premise, which is too bad, because I think he had a valid point about some of the other 'deeper' questions were Jas clearly went 'shallow' (although she may have had her reasons).

On 3/23/2023 at 9:30 AM, cinsays said:

That body painting of Shaq's was the least sexy way of doing it I have ever seen.  Aren't you supposed to lovingly stroke the area being painted, not do it like you are just dabbing the paint on a wall.  

OMG, I could not get over that!  Considering it was his idea, and he hoped for it to be something of an aphrodisiac, I was stunned to see how workman-ly he was doing it.  Plus he really seemed to have some grand plan for his design, but it sure looked like a bunch of nothing to me!

On 3/23/2023 at 10:29 AM, kristen111 said:

Same here.  My husband came over and asked me to dance and sparks flew.  Married a very long time.  I don’t believe in this match up crap.   Also, these “experts” are a waste of time.

There are two different issues here.  First is being matched up.  Clearly it can work, given that there are 12 couples still married (Jamie/Doug, Miles/Karen, Woody/Amani, Austin/Jess, Beth/Jamie, Ashley/Anthony, Jephte/Shawniece, Deonna/Greg, Kristine/Keith, Vincent/Briana, AJ/Steph, Danielle/Bobby). The second is the experts, and yes, they are mostly a waste of time, although very occasionally one will drop a truth bomb. But wow, look how long it's been since a marriage was successful!

[LuvMyShows]

 

On 3/23/2023 at 2:37 PM, endure said:

I think it is as boring as heck when they resort to drawing questions out of a bowl, as if that is any way to maintain or build a relationship, then why don't I know of any couple who has ever done this? 

 

All I could think of was that Pastor Cal called it a "fish bowl", and maybe they've used a fish-bowl style container in the past, but this was definitely a cookie-jar style.

On 3/23/2023 at 2:40 PM, qtpye said:

Shaq and Jaz are both naturally loving and nurturing.

Does anyone else think this is the only time in MAFS history where people need to trade spouses?

If I saw correctly, the preview shows Shaq talking one-on-one with Jas, and telling her she is beautiful inside and out.  However, they were both on the Afterparty this week, and Jas was commenting on Kirsten's progress with Shaq in an encouraging way, and they didn't seem to have a thing for each other.

On 3/23/2023 at 9:46 PM, Kiss my mutt said:

I didn’t understand Clint’s analogy that going deeper with Gina was “getting to the crust” when the crust is the outside. His gums are always flapping but his words are often nonsensical. He is a terrible listener and comes across like a used car salesman. His pontification is tiresome. 

Yes!  I wonder if he was mixing it up somewhat with 'crux'.  He also (as usual) used two 'big' words incorrectly, but I forgot to make note of what they were.

20 hours ago, princelina said:

Stupid Dr. Pepper!  "Having fun is great and all, but you're not going to FALL IN LOVE until you endlessly discuss it and use the word vulnerable at least 57 times!" 🙄. I agree with Clint that conversation is how you get to know someone, and sharing your own stories usually makes the other person think of things that they would like to share, unless they're just being stubborn and refusing to relate. 

I don't know what theoretical mumbo-jumbo nonsense Dr. Pepper was spouting, but I don't think it's the way to fall in love!

[qtpye]

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Yes!  I wonder if he was mixing it up somewhat with 'crux'.  He also (as usual) used two 'big' words incorrectly, but I forgot to make note of what they were.

Ding Ding Ding

That's the phrase he messed up and the show is shading him by making it the title of the episode.

[StatisticalOutlier]

1 hour ago, LuvMyShows said:

That was a weird example that he chose to give whoever he was talking to, because I wouldn't expect there to be story behind my favorite color.  So he actually weakened his premise,

Except he did have a story about his favorite color.  I wasn't really paying attention, and I think it wasn't an origin story, but he did talk about how he feels when he sees the color nowadays.  Two or three sentences, anyway, about what the color means to him.

1 hour ago, LuvMyShows said:

Yes!  I wonder if he was mixing it up somewhat with 'crux'.  He also (as usual) used two 'big' words incorrectly, but I forgot to make note of what they were.

Well, at least he's an equal opportunity word screwer-upper--small and big words.  And thank you for noodling out "crux"; I was at a loss on that one.

[Starlight925]

I took Clint's "crust" comment to mean the bottom crust of a pie, to get through all the shallow stuff.

But crux makes more sense.

 

[Kiss my mutt]

Someone needs to put together a reel of all of Clint’s malapropisms! Good times. 

[LuvMyShows]

5 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Except he did have a story about his favorite color.  I wasn't really paying attention, and I think it wasn't an origin story, but he did talk about how he feels when he sees the color nowadays.  Two or three sentences, anyway, about what the color means to him.

No, that's my point.  He had a story for everything, including color, but was trying to explain that Jas didn't bother answering questions even though she had been complaining about not going deep in conversation.  Yet the example he used, about a color, isn't something for which most people would have a deep story.  So to me, it ended up working against the point he was trying to make.  He should have used one of the genuinely deep questions instead for his example, where there would likely be a story or further explanation behind it, to show Jas's lack of participation.

[Retired at last]

And, as I said before, he was so much more animated and engaged when he was talking with Jas' mother. But, yes, the color was a bad example of what he was talking about. And he WAS correct about her responses. I don't blame her for checking out, but it is going to be a very long month ahead for those two before they can split.

[qtpye]

12 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

No, that's my point.  He had a story for everything, including color, but was trying to explain that Jas didn't bother answering questions even though she had been complaining about not going deep in conversation.  Yet the example he used, about a color, isn't something for which most people would have a deep story.  So to me, it ended up working against the point he was trying to make.  He should have used one of the genuinely deep questions instead for his example, where there would likely be a story or further explanation behind it, to show Jas's lack of participation.

I think Jaz knows there is no way this man is going to stay in this marriage and is riding It out till D-day.

Jaz could be spitting out verses about her favorite color like she was Maya Angelou and Arris would complain that she talks too damn much.

This man does not want her and she knows it's best to move on.

I hope she finds a man a million times better than the wet noodle fuck boy that the show picked for her.

 

[Mr. Miner]

I have this episode on my DVR, half watched. I've tried watching it twice and it's like taking a sedative and I start dozing off.

[Elizzikra]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Miner said:

I have this episode on my DVR, half watched. I've tried watching it twice and it's like taking a sedative and I start dozing off.

Maybe insurance will cover your cable subscription?

[Welshman in Ca]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Miner said:

I have this episode on my DVR, half watched. I've tried watching it twice and it's like taking a sedative and I start dozing off.

Every week I turn to my wife & ask when did that happen about 10 times per episode & the answer is always the same, "you were snoring when that happened", not that I miss much apparently.

[qtpye]

37 minutes ago, Mr. Miner said:

I have this episode on my DVR, half watched. I've tried watching it twice and it's like taking a sedative and I start dozing off.

That means this show is more useful to you than anyone who participates in this mockery.

At least it helps you sleep.

[bichonblitz]

On 3/26/2023 at 11:32 AM, Starlight925 said:

OK so here's how old I am.  For those who remember "Thirtysomething", Clint reminds me of Elliot.  (Michael's best friend).

Yes!! The actor is Timothy Busfield and Clint looks and talks very much like him!

[qtpye]

29 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Yes!! The actor is Timothy Busfield and Clint looks and talks very much like him!

Is that an improvement over Chuck Norris?

My husband actually thought Dollar Store Chuck Norris was a huge compliment to Clint and he does not even like Chuck Norris.

I guess it makes Clint seem like a tough guy.

Hopefully, one day we will get to the crust of the matter.

[bichonblitz]

2 minutes ago, qtpye said:

Is that an improvement over Chuck Norris?

Not an improvement but just as funny! 

[Starlight925]

The thing about Elliot (Timothy Busfield) is that he was a motor mouth who said the wrong things at the wrong time.  But at his core, he was a lovable, if not infuriating, husband.  

He also had this wild red hair & beard.

So, in other words....Clint.

Elliot:

 

Clint:

 

Again, to date myself.  My roommate & I had the fight of our lives when she taped over Thirtysomething with her soap opera, leaving me to have to wait until summer reruns to watch that episode.

 

Edited March 27, 2023 by Starlight925

[qtpye]

9 minutes ago, Starlight925 said:

The thing about Elliot (Timothy Busfield) is that he was a motor mouth who said the wrong things at the wrong time.  But at his core, he was a lovable, if not infuriating, husband.  

He also had this wild red hair & beard.

So, in other words....Clint.

Elliot:

 

Clint:

 

Again, to date myself.  My roommate & I had the fight of our lives when she taped over Thirtysomething with her soap opera, leaving me to have to wait until summer reruns to watch that episode.

 

Honestly, he's kind of handsome.

[Retired at last]

I think Clint is pretty cute. Timothy Busfield is kind of cute, too. He is married to Melissa Gilbert and they live away from Hollywood on a large ranch and seem happy.

My favorite on Thirty Something was Gary. HE was hot!

[Starlight925]

4 hours ago, Retired at last said:

I think Clint is pretty cute. Timothy Busfield is kind of cute, too. He is married to Melissa Gilbert and they live away from Hollywood on a large ranch and seem happy.

My favorite on Thirty Something was Gary. HE was hot!

Gary was cute!  But my massive crush was Michael.  I was so envious of Hope!  

I saw Timothy Busfield & Melissa Gilbert being interviewed on their ranch.  They do seem very happy.

Back to this episode....I honestly wonder what it is in Nicole that makes her so insecure for a man that she'll allow one to abuse her emotionally and physically, and that she'll hang on to Chris for dear life.  Her father seems to be a very stable, loving figure in her life, so what is it that causes her to have such insecurity?

I wish she'd ease up a bit, let Chris breathe a bit.  Seems like he's ok with it, so maybe they'll be added to the list of couples that last.

I'm so surprised that some of those couples even made it past Decision Day, let alone are still going.  Bald Jamie and that red-haired loud-mouthed woman come to mind.  Greg and Deonna, only because Deonna seemed to barely tolerate Greg.  Woody and Amani, because I thought Woody was such a player.  And Bobby and Danielle,  because I thought she had such a stick up her ***.

So we shall see.  My predictions so far (I know no spoilers):

Nicole & Chris - both say yes

Shaq & Kirsten - She says yes, he says no

Airris & Jasmine - no for both

Clint & Gina - no for both, with shared custody of Hank 😄

Edited March 28, 2023 by Starlight925

[Chatty Cake]

18 hours ago, Mr. Miner said:

I have this episode on my DVR, half watched. I've tried watching it twice and it's like taking a sedative and I start dozing off.

Same! 

[Retired at last]

14 hours ago, Starlight925 said:

Shaq & Kirsten - She says yes, he says no

That's interesting. I just assumed that none of the couples, other than Nicole and Chris, would say yes on D Day. I hadn't thought about the individuals. You might be right on this one, except if he gets more assertive in this last month and lets Little Miss I'm All That know that he is NOT going to buy her a house or anything else she comes up with. 

Edited March 28, 2023 by Retired at last

[qtpye]

1 hour ago, Retired at last said:

That's interesting. I just assumed that none of the couples, other than Nicole and Chris, would say yes on Day. I hadn't thought about the individuals. You might be right on this one, except if he gets more assertive in this last month and lets Little Miss I'm All That know that he is NOT going to buy her a house or anything else she comes up with. 

These couples are such terrible matches that it is hard to imagine anyone saying yes besides Chris and Nicole.

Question: Do you want to stay married?

Nicole-Yes, he is the love of my life and I will devote every waking hour to taking care of his every need.

Chris-Sure, why not, I guess...

[Jeanne222]

Been thinking about Clint.  I think with his age he might feel strange he couldn't get a wife on his own by now.

Thinking himself so special he probably is of the opinion he knows more than all the MAFS staff!  Know it all vibes from Clint!

Plus he now has a wifey that's definitely not all in and will probably say no thank you on decision day!

[kikicat]

Well, wow, I'm glad I revisited this thread. You're all hilarious, though narcoleptic. My people!

[Elizzikra]

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Been thinking about Clint.  I think with his age he might feel strange he couldn't get a wife on his own by now.

I met my husband when I was 45. Never felt strange about it.