Fandom and Viewer Issues: "Fan" Is Short for "Fanatic"

[CCTC]

Just to clarify -- I was just explaining why the account was deleted and said the troll was crazy.  I guess I assumed no one would believe anything from the content of the tweets, because they were rantings of a deranged tweeter.  I obviously don't know him, but he seems like a nice guy with a good relationship with his wife and co-workers.  He definitely did not deserve that kind of treatment.

It has been discussed in the twitter world -- here is something from last month:

http://canadagraphs.weebly.com/personal-blog---rants-and-raves/a-couple-tips-on-how-to-handle-twitter-bullies-and-a-reminder-celebs-can-be-bullied-too

Edited July 19, 2016 by CCTC

[Souris]

1 hour ago, orza said:

So you guys believe a person who joined today and has only one post made to spread something nasty about an actor with no proof? Ok, then, cuz I don't. If this has been going on for months why has no one else who follows Josh seen anything?

If you're talking about the nasty stuff tweeted to Josh, I saw it. Twitter friends of mine saw it. We were talking about it and reported the troll account weeks ago. The content of the troll posts that CCTC reported is what I saw. It was ugly. And was no reflection on Josh, just the troll. It really went beyond the typical fandom hate.

Edited July 19, 2016 by Souris

[daxx]

Josh's troll has been discussed on tumblr as well. I've heard the general troll nonsense not the specifics.

[YaddaYadda]

I don't even understand why Twitter doesn't just ban IP addresses. Instead of only suspending accounts, ban the IP. Isn't that sort of a no brainer?

[myril]

8 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I don't even understand why Twitter doesn't just ban IP addresses. Instead of only suspending accounts, ban the IP. Isn't that sort of a no brainer?

 

 

 

 

 

Because it is no solution at all.  Banning IP addresses is useless to get control of trolls and haters. An IP address is not like a social security number, it's not asigned to a person but devices You don't have the same IP address when using different devices, just think of the difference of home net (if you use a router your desktop, laptop and tablet at home will be a subnet, the router has the main address) and mobile internet use alone, but you might not even always have one and the same IP address when using one and the same device though. IPv4 are actually limited in number, and IPv6, a different standard with more possible addresses is still not that much in use. IP addresses are often assigned dynamically (DHCP), meaning they can change every time you disconnect or reboot the device. Banning an IP address is collective punishment, you will likely lock out a number of users from a site, not just the culprit, while the culprit with different device or the use of VPN, different proxy can very well still get access and annoy, using new accounts. While you might be able to block a simple internet consumer type casual ranter with that for a moment, it most certainly doesn't help much against the more tech-savvy trolls. Blocking/Banning is something different from figuring out the real life identity of a person eventually via the IP address they used at certain time to do a certain something, but even that is not always successful. Banning an IP address might work (more or less) for governmental censorship, aka stopping the population from getting information you don't want them to have, but that's about it.

Edited July 19, 2016 by myril

[maryle]

The stuff with Josh is totally horrific.

 

But, I sometime go in the Rumbelle tag to see what the other faction believe the spoiler are going and was suprised to see some post on how CS fandom or even the network was buying likes on FB, twitter and sm.

I found that ludicrious I cannot imagine a lot of fans will engage in that. But, come on the ABC network just will just spend money on silly thing like that ?  Why ?  And I will prefer a real new photoshop for the cast if they have so much money toi spend on the show. 

This fandom really ! !

[daxx]

Some of the fandom have bought into the lie that Hook and CS are unpopular. They are both very popular with the general audience.

[Souris]

14 hours ago, daxx said:

Some of the fandom have bought into the lie that Hook and CS are unpopular. They are both very popular with the general audience.

Yeah, they simply can't accept that CS & Hook are popular, because it doesn't fit THEIR feelings, so they come up with convoluted conspiracy theories to disprove it. I roll my eyes at the reaching.

The OnceABC tweet of the EQ poster, for example, also has a lot of likes from eggs and porn accounts. Even IF likes/RTs are being bought, it's across the board, not just related to CS. Some of the same eggs follow Jen, Colin AND Lana. But of course, they think it only matters related to CS. Newsflash: Every celeb is followed by a bunch of egg accounts. For a lark, I randomly looked at Taylor Swift's and Selena Gomez's Twitter followers. More eggs than a hen house! 

[Shanna Marie]

I don't see what benefit there would be for a network or production company to buy likes or followers for one character or one relationship. If they did it, it would be for the entire show, not to prop up one aspect of the show. I guess maybe, if you want to get convoluted, if the writers wanted to write something and the network was iffy about it, there might be a reason for the writers to try to show that there was fan support for what they wanted to do so the network would let them do it, but the network has been all over pushing Hook and his relationship with Emma. There's no one they would need to convince that there was fan support for it.

[RadioGirl27]

51 minutes ago, Souris said:

Newsflash: Every celeb is followed by a bunch of egg accounts. For a lark, I randomly looked at Taylor Swift's and Selena Gomez's Twitter followers. More eggs than a hen house! 

Hell, even I get likes for this kind of accounts in my instagram photos (and I have seven followers!)

[mjgchick]

Emma stans came for Sean for favoriting an Anti Emma tweet. Then went on to post memes about Emma's jacket being more important than his character. lol this fandom is so wrong.

[Rumsy4]

Which tweet did he favorite? I am curious. :-p There's nothing in his @mentions now.

Edited July 20, 2016 by Rumsy4

[CCTC]

28 minutes ago, mjgchick said:

Emma stans came for Sean for favoriting an Anti Emma tweet. Then went on to post memes about Emma's jacket being more important than his character. lol this fandom is so wrong.

That is wrong, and while I do not approve of that behavior, they might have a point about the jacket... (through no fault of the actor's, they just never really used him or developed his character).

[Curio]

3 minutes ago, CCTC said:

they might have a point about the jacket... (through no fault of the actor's, they just never really used him or developed his character).

Sadly, it's kind of true. Each one got exactly one episode centric flashback.

[Scovies]

I never understood the "Emma's jacket got a flashback" thing. Emma got a flashback (which is rare enough) about how she "put her armor up," and the writers used the jacket as a heavy-handed metaphor. 

Frankly, any development for Robin's character was sacrified for the sake of Regina, not Emma. "Marian" being brought back was about Regina's pain, Robin's rape was all about how it affected Regina, and Robin's own freaking death was a catalyst for undoing any character development Regina's had in S4 and S5 just so they could bring back the Evil Queen.

[Rumsy4]

I found the tweet he favorited! :-P I do think Sean needs to put away the sad violins though.

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Remember when we got an hour of backstory on a friggin jacket nobody cares about but nothing about Robin? Bc i do (X)

Unless they were deleted, here are the only responses I could find.

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Maybe the memes were posted on tumblr and Sean was not tagged. In that case, I think it's fair game.

[Serena]

Well, Sean inserted himself in the matter. If he can express his opinion that the jacket was unimportant, the fans can say that his character is, as well. Unless they attack him personally, it's fair game. 

I kind of dislike him now. He has not handled himself well since Robin's death.

[Camera One]

Adam was tweeting about healing and how fans can't judge "in the middle of a story".  So maybe A&E plans to resurrect Robin Hood again when the series wraps up?  But that's only if Sean agrees to return, and from the way he's acting, they haven't let him in on whatever plan they ultimately have.  If they did, he wouldn't be acting like this.  So in some ways, I think A&E wants to keep it open as a possibility, but they don't necessarily want to bring Robin back and have to write for him for any extended amount of time.  That makes the whole "don't judge in the middle of a story" message kind of strange.  I mean, if Robin isn't meant to be at the end of the story, then why shouldn't they judge if they're invested in him?

Edited July 20, 2016 by Camera One

[RadioGirl27]

9 minutes ago, Camera One said:

Adam was tweeting about healing and how fans can't judge "in the middle of a story".  So maybe A&E plans to resurrect Robin Hood again when the series wraps up?  But that's only if Sean agrees to return, and from the way he's acting, they haven't let him in on whatever plan they ultimately have.  If they did, he wouldn't be acting like this.  So in some ways, I think A&E wants to keep it open as a possibility, but they don't necessarily want to bring Robin back and have to write for him for any extended amount of time.  That makes the whole "don't judge in the middle of a story" message kind of strange.  I mean, if Robin isn't meant to be at the end of the story, then why shouldn't they judge if they're invested in him?

Nah, this "don't judge in the middle of the story" is A&E to go answer everytime a fan complains about something.

[Curio]

3 minutes ago, RadioGirl27 said:

Nah, this "don't judge in the middle of the story" is A&E to go answer everytime a fan complains about something.

It's just an automated response, like "we don't write ships, we write characters," "we would be disappointed if..." and #nospoilers.

[Shanna Marie]

25 minutes ago, RadioGirl27 said:

Nah, this "don't judge in the middle of the story" is A&E to go answer everytime a fan complains about something.

And I suspect it has more to do with Regina's happiness than Robin's fate -- we can't judge how bad this is for Regina because we don't know how she'll ultimately end up, and we may like what happens next better than we like Robin. They don't really care about Robin or his story.

[sharky]

Yea, I'm hoping there is just a bit of light shed on this season at Comic Con to help make sense of it. 

As for Sean, meh. He has a right to be salty. He favorited a tweet that said someone wishes we had more of a Robin backstory. Whatever. Non issue that once again fans are blowing up. 

We really need this new season to get started. 

[mjgchick]

To be honest I liked knowing why Emma wore that red jacket like a cape but I found it funny how salty he was and how the Emma fans responded. I even went in on him but I didn't @ him though. I think I enjoyed that a white boy actually died because so many women especially women of color  (one was the lead. The other was the most loved character on the freaking show.) died this season that I was happy a man died. I would've probably even accepted Hook dying at that point I was so mad and I love Hook.

[Souris]

I haven't been impressed by how Sean has handled himself after Robin was killed. I think it was tacky to like a post bitching about Emma's jacket -- that is actually an important symbol for her character, and it kind of disses a former co-worker's (and friend's) story/scene. Does he have a right to be upset? Of course. But I'm sure most every actor whose character was written off a show this season (and there were a TON of them, see this list of them all!) was upset to lose their job. But IMO it's just not professional to whine about it or like dodgy tweets about it on social media. Actors get let go from shows all the time; it's part of being a TV actor. It sucks for the actors, but it probably won't help him to throw shade on social media or in interviews.

Edited July 21, 2016 by Souris

[myril]

On 7/20/2016 at 3:20 AM, maryle said:

But, I sometime go in the Rumbelle tag to see what the other faction believe the spoiler are going and was suprised to see some post on how CS fandom or even the network was buying likes on FB, twitter and sm.

I found that ludicrious I cannot imagine a lot of fans will engage in that. But, come on the ABC network just will just spend money on silly thing like that ?  Why ?  And I will prefer a real new photoshop for the cast if they have so much money toi spend on the show. 

This fandom really ! !

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Think one problem is that though a lot of people nowadays are used to use social media most have little clue how social media work, or any kind of media even, media illiteracy is a rather common thing unfortunately. Just because people grew up with something doesn't mean they automatically understand it. That ignorance feeds very much into an anyway widespread tendency for looking for "easy" explanations (which are often getting amazingly complex though, while truly easy, or simple, and often right explanations are dismissed as unrealistic or naive) and plenty of guesswork creating some sort of logic leading to conspiracy theories: There has to be a plan, that must have been something done by someone on purpose, no way they don't know what they are doing... Add that many people stay inside what is called an echo chamber or a filter bubble, they barely get to see anything discussed outside their circles - something not so new, anyone who grew up in a smaller town or in a village or any kind of close-knit community knows something about people getting stuck in a small world and mind, ignorant to other information, but it's interesting how much such habits persist online, where we could have access to so much more and very different sources and information often with little effort. 

How many people are still surprised when hearing/reading that what they get to see in their Facebook timeline is filtered and sorted by Facebook, based on assumptions the Facebook team has about what you would prefer to see, assumptions drawn from statistics of your recent and past websurf behavior, likes, comments, shares, clicks, turned into an algorithm controlling your timeline? How many people still overlook, that Twitter tailors the trends shown on the websites next to your timeline to your location and who you are following? Or do you know that those  trends are anyway hashtags and keywords showing a significant increase in mentions in the past hour(s), not what people at any given time are tweeting about in huge numbers? So someone at the Eastcoast sees for example #Rumbelle trending - but that doesn't mean that it's trending as well at the Westcoat at that time, let alone worldwide and it doesn't mean , that many people are tweeting about it at all, just that it is emerging as something relatively popular in a certain area at the moment (it can help to read the help sites of Twitter support, they explain some things there, and if you're tech-savvy enough you can see some differences using different proxy, VPN). Always find it cute when fandoms talk about making something trend on Twitter, often sounds like starting a hunting party for the mystical holy grail to me. It usually has nearly as little information value as most polls on popular gossip, eh, review sites have. But even something like People's Choice awards says not that much about viewer numbers and popularity, they are more about who is able to create the biggest buzz and has the most devoted fans having nothing better to do for days than to vote.

 

9 hours ago, Souris said:

Newsflash: Every celeb is followed by a bunch of egg accounts. For a lark, I randomly looked at Taylor Swift's and Selena Gomez's Twitter followers. More eggs than a hen house! 

 

 

Egghead accounts might be new or little maintained, so likely some troll alias or spammer, but on the other hand plenty of seemingly legit, real accounts are fakes, trolls, spammer as well. Don't get fooled by existing profile pics, bio and not even by a large number of tweets about (seemingly) different things. Spammers are getting more elaborate, bots creating such accounts are getting smarter, and trolls anyway might invest some time to have a number of accounts to use. Many of those accounts are following a number of celebs just because they assume that everyone does, so it makes them look more legit. As they follow each other to make it look like there is some circle of friends. Not to mention cases where accounts trick people into following them, pretending to be an actor, singer, some emerging or even better known celeb for a while, preferred if those have no account themselves or no verified one yet. Occasionally those accounts later claim they were just fan accounts, but frankly, if that were so they would made that visible from the start. Had such cases just recently with a different series, on Twitter and Instagram. Or those lovely accounts counting on people's compassion, performing for example as kid with cancer and so tricking people not just into following them but occasionally even manage to get a number of retweets even by celebs. Sadly social media are a paradise for cons.

 

4 hours ago, Curio said:

It's just an automated response, like "we don't write ships, we write characters," "we would be disappointed if..." and #nospoilers.

 

Looking at the rather limited range of answers and tweets by Horowitz would say he could very well let a chatbot do the work on Twitter for him. Well, maybe it is already a chatbot working for him ;-)
 

Edited July 21, 2016 by myril

[Rumsy4]

Sean has been favoriting tweets that validate the idea that Robin was treated "unfairly" by the Show. Get in line! Emma is supposed to be the main character of the Show, and she's had three flashback episodes in 5 seasons. It doesn't make sense for people to diss that episode in the tone that it was meant--as a superfluous episode, unless they don't care for Emma. But that fan is entitled to their opinion. I mean, I can see Sean is bitter, but I never cared for Robin, and Robin was way down the scale of important charatcers in the Show. Charming didn't even get a centric in 5B. I hope Sean lands another gig and moves on from his disappointment. 

Edited July 21, 2016 by Rumsy4

[myril]

7 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Sean has been favoriting tweets that validate the idea that Robin was treated "unfairly" by the Show. Get in line! 

 

I don't know how Sean is using faves (or by now they are hearts and so more seen as likes) on Twitter, but being old school and long time Twitter user I for example use such faves as much if not more in the sense of bookmarks and things to keep track on for while, it doesn't equal liking or supporting something for everyone, after all with retweets, quoted or straight have a better tool to share what I like or point attention to something. So I would be careful about interpretations why someone faves something on Twitter, can be different reasons. Not saying.  with that, that what Sean is doing on Twitter is any good  though. I would understand if someone doesn't want to hold back their views anymore just for some alleged sense of professionalism. From a unionist POV: sometimes you have to speak up and take a risk, maybe even harm your chances for future jobs, but otherwise things never might change - but then better be clear about what is wrong and not vent in a somewhat muddy way, and from what I gather it's not that clear. I couldn't care less about the loss of Robin, aside of the usual notion of mediocre writing, I would care more about lordly treatment, mismanagement and bad working conditions. But guess that most uber-fans care more about their beloved characters than real world conditions and issues in the production of the show, so simply echoing their sentiment might be tempting. And the more fans then echo such reaction by Sean the more he gets sucked into that choir of fans whining about the dismiss of a character. Echo chamber at work.

[Shanna Marie]

I would also say, speaking as someone who occasionally gets "fan" type tweets, that it's a fairly common practice to "like" (or whatever they're calling it this week) any tweet that says something nice about you. It's just a way of acknowledging that someone acknowledged you and doesn't necessarily endorse the statement. I guess you wouldn't do it if it was actually hateful to someone else, but I think the one about the jacket getting better treatment than his character was kind of cute and amusing, and I can see why he'd acknowledge it. It's basically a "hey, thanks for the shout out." Someone has to go looking for it to see who's liked a tweet. That's mostly going to show up for the person who tweeted it because it'll show up in their Notifications. Everyone else would have to click on the heart to see the list of names. You don't expect anyone to make a big, fat deal out of it.

[maryle]

I really do not want deeper into the Sean stuff because never care for the character and for the actor was at best average to me. Never followed his interview or stuff like that either so I do not have a opinion.

 But, I could not help asking myself if he would had liked it if it was about Hook or Regina.

I am not sure so... between Robin and Emma 

[Rumsy4]

1 hour ago, maryle said:

But, I could not help asking myself if he would had liked it if it was about Hook or Regina.

There.

You said it.

[Camera One]

It was still an obvious dig at the priorities of the writers, which are whacked out for sure, but it's not too professional to express that publicly.  If anyone would make a huge deal out of it, it would be this crazy fandom.  Retweeting would have been much worse, but didn't he retweet some of the similar comments back when Robin "died"?

[RedKeep]

8 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

It's just a way of acknowledging that someone acknowledged you and doesn't necessarily endorse the statement. I guess you wouldn't do it if it was actually hateful to someone else, but I think the one about the jacket getting better treatment than his character was kind of cute and amusing, and I can see why he'd acknowledge it. It's basically a "hey, thanks for the shout out."

I agree. The impression I've been getting from what he's said at conventions ever since the season ended is also that he feels somewhat responsible for how hurt or disappointed his fans are over Robin being written out so suddenly, without a proper centric, and in that terrible manner, too. So I tend to see it more as him acknowledging his fans and their pain/frustration over what happened, too. I mean, I'm sure he has his opinions about how the writers handled Robin and his story after season 3 as well. But I definitely agree with those who read the way he uses the like function more as a form of acknowledgement, in the sense of "I saw your tweet, I feel your pain, thanks for your support, etc", rather than him expressing his own opinions about the show and the writers that way. Besides, he and Jen Morrison seemed to get along fairly well from what we saw of them interacting bts so I doubt he would have liked it if he considered it a slight directed at her or whatever. I see the humor in that tweet even though I liked the flashbacks in that episode and Maguire strikes me as someone who'd read it as humerous rather than dead-serious too. It's one of those things that fandom needs to take a bit more lightly, imo.

[Curio]

8 minutes ago, RedKeep said:

I see the humor in that tweet even though I liked the flashbacks in that episode and Maguire strikes me as someone who'd read it as humerous rather than dead-serious too.

Agreed. Also, I have to give the actors props for speaking their minds when it comes to how their characters were written, because it's even more proof that the writing on this show is not that great. I didn't mind when Socha called it like it was, so I don't mind Sean liking tweets that basically say his character got screwed over. Because he did. I think everyone's smart enough to piece together the real reasoning behind why Robin was canned, and it definitely has nothing to do with Emma's character.

[YaddaYadda]

The asshole who led the charge against Leslie Jones with his disgusting and disturbing comments has been banned from Twitter. Leslie Jones also took that to the top, and they actually got their ass in gear and did something about it. So it's not like they can't do anything about what's going on on their site. 

[Shanna Marie]

11 hours ago, maryle said:

But, I could not help asking myself if he would had liked it if it was about Hook or Regina.

I think he would have, because it wasn't saying anything mean about Emma, just saying that Emma's jacket got given more backstory than his actual character, which is, sadly, true. It was a tweet supporting his character, not denigrating an actual person or other character, and why wouldn't he have acknowledged someone saying something positive about his character? I think he even would have done it if it was something similar about Hook, even with him and Colin being best friends, just because it was funny and supportive of him, and it wasn't hurting Colin.

That's different from some of the tweets calling for character deaths or wanting someone else to be fired from the show. This is a clear case of turning a molehill into Mt. Everest. I wouldn't even consider that one little "like" to be a bad PR move or a bridge burning. He's said other things that might not have been the best idea if he wants to ever come back, even in a flashback, or if he expects to work with these same producers again, but liking that tweet doesn't fall into that category.

[Rumsy4]

On July 12, 2016 at 9:17 AM, YaddaYadda said:

 

[Rumsy4]

Sorry about the above post. It's been on the posting box on my mobile safari page for days, and it's apparently impossible to type, edit, or delete! I even tried to clear history and log back in, but it didn't go away. Urgh.

57 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

I think he would have, because it wasn't saying anything mean about Emma, just saying that Emma's jacket got given more backstory than his actual character, which is, sadly, true. It was a tweet supporting his character, not denigrating an actual person or other character, and why wouldn't he have acknowledged someone saying something positive about his character? I think he even would have done it if it was something similar about Hook, even with him and Colin being best friends, just because it was funny and supportive of him, and it wasn't hurting Colin.

I have to disagree. He would not have done it if the tweet had been about a Hook or Regina-centric. I can't imagine him "liking" a tweet that said, for example, "Showing Regina kill the 12334th peasant was apparently more important than giving Robin a backstory episode". It wasn't maliciously done, but it certainly talks of his relationship or lack therof with certain co-actors. And no--it wasn't exactly unprofessional unlike the time he spoiled Robin's death-scene on Twitter. But it felt dismissive of Emma in a way, and people have a right to take it as such, especially as we've all been starved of Emma flashbacks. People's "likes" on Twitter are more prominently displayed these days, and he of all people, should know that no social media activity is going to be secret. 

Again, I don't think it's a huge deal, but I can't help thinking less of him for it. And that's probably the last thing I should say about this. lol

[mjgchick]

4 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

The asshole who led the charge against Leslie Jones with his disgusting and disturbing comments has been banned from Twitter. Leslie Jones also took that to the top, and they actually got their ass in gear and did something about it. So it's not like they can't do anything about what's going on on their site. 

I honestly think they did something about it because Twitter was getting hammered by her fans. When Azealia said some derogatory racist comments about Zayn and Skai Jackson they banned her less than a day. When that guy did it to Leslie and soon to be A lister they took their asses a day to do it.

[orza]

1 hour ago, Rumsy4 said:

I have to disagree. He would not have done it if the tweet had been about a Hook or Regina-centric. I can't imagine him "liking" a tweet that said, for example, "Showing Regina kill the 12334th peasant was apparently more important than giving Robin a backstory episode". It wasn't maliciously done, but it certainly talks of his relationship or lack therof with certain co-actors. And no--it wasn't exactly unprofessional unlike the time he spoiled Robin's death-scene on Twitter. But it felt dismissive of Emma in a way, and people have a right to take it as such, especially as we've all been starved of Emma flashbacks. People's "likes" on Twitter are more prominently displayed these days, and he of all people, should know that no social media activity is going to be secret.

It says nothing about Sean's relationship with a coworker. I doubt Jennifer Morrison even cares about that tweet or might react with something like "No kidding!" if she has anything to say about it at all. The jacket is just a costume the she wears when she's at work, like other people wear scrubs or some other type of uniform. Actors don't, or shouldn't, get emotionally overinvested in the props or clothes they wear at work. Things can change without warning and they have no control of any of it.

[Camera One]

I too doubt that any of the actors care about the "like", or even know about this.  The actors know they have little to no control over the writing. Sean made close friends on set even though other characters (including non-originals like Hook and Zelena) were strongly favored over Robin.  

The episode also wasn't just about the red jacket.  It was about why/how Emma became a bailsbondsperson, and in fact, Emma's only distant-past flashback episode in Season 5.  Yes, it was not a great episode, but making it all about the jacket was misleading and simplified the issue.  Though I do agree the comment itself was pretty funny, snarkwise.

Meanwhile, in "What does Adam do for fun" news:

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Kellie Green ‏@KellGreen1  Jul 19

@ButtercupOUAT @AdamHorowitzLA Guy cant even admit that Emma loves Hook. Or confirm if they are True Love.

Adam Horowitz  ‏@AdamHorowitzLA

@KellGreen1 @ButtercupOUAT who's Guy? No one named Guy works on the show

 

Oh Adam...

Edited July 21, 2016 by Camera One

[Curio]

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Guy cant even admit that Emma loves Hook. Or confirm if they are True Love.

who's Guy? No one named Guy works on the show

He inadvertently just proved their point.

[Rumsy4]

41 minutes ago, orza said:

It says nothing about Sean's relationship with a coworker. I doubt Jennifer Morrison even cares about that tweet or might react with something like "No kidding!" if she has anything to say about it at all. The jacket is just a costume the she wears when she's at work, like other people wear scrubs or some other type of uniform. Actors don't, or shouldn't, get emotionally overinvested in the props or clothes they wear at work. Things can change without warning and they have no control of any of it.

It's beside the point what JMo thinks of this. I was talking about my perception of the situation. Also, as @Camera One said, the episode was not about the jacket or JMo's said attachment to it. I actually found the tweet funny, if unironically true. 

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Guy cant even admit that Emma loves Hook. Or confirm if they are True Love.

I don't get it. lol Wasn't it just confirmed in the Show? 

[Kktjones]

I understand that Adam likes to be sassy, and I do enjoy it from time to time. But I get frustrated when he refuses to confirm things that actually happened on the show. What reason could there be for him to not confirm that Emma & Hook were proven to be true love? That the test was legit even if the ambrosia was a trick from Hades. The show was pretty definite about it and even had Hook utter the words "It's true love" for anyone that didn't follow the action. The only reason I can think of is that he doesn't want to rile up the SQ fans. And if that's the case, it really makes him look like a coward.

[orza]

If it was confirmed on the show there is nothing to explain. People just need to actually watch the show and maybe pay attention and they'll get their answers. I can see how it's annoying to constantly get asked basic questions that indicate the people really didn't watch the episode.

[YaddaYadda]

12 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

The only reason I can think of is that he doesn't want to rile up the SQ fans. And if that's the case, it really makes him look like a coward.

The thing is, no one twisted his arm into answering the criticism or whatever that was. If he doesn't wanna rile up factions of the fandom, which seriously, everyone needs to stop being offended about everything under the sun, then he didn't have to reply to that.

Besides, that was confirmed on the show not once, but twice, so I don't know what show that person was watching. It's being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk.

Edited July 21, 2016 by YaddaYadda

[RadioGirl27]

If it was really confirmed on the show (I have given my opinion about that scene multiple times, I'm not going to repeat myself), then why he didn't answer the fans? Because he is too scared of the reaction of the SQ shippers.

Edited July 21, 2016 by RadioGirl27
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[Curio]

I do kind of see a tendency for Adam to avoid talking about the romantic relationships on Twitter, though. If A&E are interviewed by a professional entertainment journalist or are doing episode commentaries, they're much more open about discussing how Snow loves Charming or Emma loves Hook. But for some reason, Adam really tries to stay away from talking openly about certain topics on Twitter, even if they're verified as canon on the show.

Edited July 21, 2016 by Curio

[RedKeep]

11 minutes ago, orza said:

If it was confirmed on the show there is nothing to explain.

This. Far be it from me to defend him, but I don't get why he should have to confirm on Twitter again what the show itself has been very clear about already. Granted, I don't get why he insists on being "snarky" instead of ignoring such tweets to begin with either.

[mjgchick]

I think people let what the haters say get to them. Just because Emma and Killian found out they were true love differently than the other couples people are iffy about how the show confirmed them but honestly if you don't let anti fans get to you, you might enjoy whatever crumbs the writers give you. I might be in the minority in this but I liked that they tried something different. I just didn't like what they actually tried but if both characters said they were true love then why does Adam need to keep saying it? People let their insecurity get the best of them.

[Faemonic]

Squee! Screwballninja answered my anon about the Regina-Rumple mentorship: here. And while I can step back and be entertained by BOTH the wraith and Reg's smile when they found gold straw in Zelena's basement (what's a little attempted murder between friends?) I can totally understand if someone, say, identifies with Regina AND had a sucky real-life relationship with a mentor, and why they'd then be all "keyboardmash rumple iz so worst!" Or if someone identifies with Rumple and had a sucky real-life relationship with an emotional blackmailer who blamed them for everything, that could get projected onto Regina whether she's justified to complain about his influence/treatment or not.

 

Because I think the characters here are usually more inconsistent than complex, but I'm personally most likely to accept a complex relationship from these two characters particularly. 

 

Just an unsolicited and not unanimously agreed-upon message I wanna put out, here, to a node of the Fandom that surely doesn't need it: It's not what or who you like about the source material that's most interesting, it's why.

Edited July 23, 2016 by Faemonic
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