S07.E16: Out With the Old

[Demented Daisy]

After a ballerina is found dead from dancing herself to death, Sam and Dean look into the case and discover the ballet slippers she wore were cursed. When Dean accidentally touches the shoes the power of the curse starts to take hold of him.

 

 

This whole episode reminds me of the old Friday the 13th tv show, specifically the episode with the dancers killed by an antique music box.

 

Anyway, didn't love it, didn't hate it.  Meh.

[DittyDotDot]

I liked the cursed objects bit, but the Leviathans bit bored me. I'm having a hard time coming up with details right now, it's been a while.

[Demented Daisy]

One thing I definitely did not like.  "Bad Moon Rising" -- really, show?  One of the most iconic musical moments you've given us and you're going to reuse it?  Talk about lazy.

 

Unless there was some deeper significance I missed?

[DittyDotDot]

Oh, I totally forgot about the reuse there...yeah, not one of their best efforts. And I adored Frank, so I was kinda sad to see him go. Although, I figured he wasn't long for this world being helpful to the Winchesters and all that, so I wasn't exactly surprised either.

[FlickChick]

I think that "Bad Moon Rising" was their attempt to give Frank a special send off. Sort of a tribute to the character and actor who played him. Of course they could have chosen something appropriate but original, but then we know that the writers often don't like to try too hard.

[mertensia]

I like this episode- though I always wonder how an old pornography magazine could kill you in a way that has Dean saying "you don't want to know."

The Leviathan pair were a hoot and I completely understand why Georgie wanted to eat her.

Also they need to dig those long coats out of costuming and have them wear them more often.

[supposebly]

I liked the coats too but they do take me out of the episode. They just look too expensive.

 

I adore the guy whose mother had the boxes. His incredulity, his regret, and the panic at the end, I think it was all wonderfully played.

 

Yeah, not a fan of reusing "Bad Moon Raising" here.

Edited August 20, 2014 by supposebly

[AwesomO4000]

I liked the coats too but they do take me out of the episode. They just look too expensive.

 

I adore the guy whose mother had the boxes. His incredulity, his regret, and the panic at the end, I think it was all wonderfully played.

 

I liked that guy also, and Dean's advice to him.

 

As for the coats, I at first thought they might be leftover from the wedding episode, because when I saw the screencap from this episode in the "Guess this episode" thread, that;s where my mind went first was that episode, but I after checking it appears they had normal suits for that one, so yeah, not sure why they went for longer here except that it was cold and/or that might be the local style (so a rental?).

[catrox14]

I've decided that the boys just wanted to look really good for whatever reasons. 

[DittyDotDot]

This episode is a little disjointed to me. I do like the case with the cursed objects, but the episode really isn't about that. And, even though I find the Leviathans a hoot, I also wonder if they were in it too much--but then, the episode isn't really about that either. While not very well executed, Sam falling asleep and not being able to shut out Lucifer anymore is an interesting idea, but the episode isn't really about that either. Dean and Frank working out the Leviathan angle is entertaining, but again not really what the episode is about either. And, Frank's apparently dead, but it's not about that either.

 

I don't know, somehow it just doesn't gel together for me. I think I'm just too in love with the cursed object thing that maybe I feel shafted that they shoved so many other things into the episode. I guess I'm more of a purist than I thought.

Edited December 28, 2014 by DittyDotDot

[Demented Daisy]

I never noticed the call back to The Girl Next Door -- wee Sam orders a triple Red Eye in that one, too.

 

ETA  Something I don't understand -- "Bad Moon Rising" is used in the syndicated version of this episode, but not the S1 finale.  Any ideas why?

Edited January 21, 2015 by Demented Daisy

[DittyDotDot]

I think it might be that when they got the rights to the music originally, they only got the rights for broadcast not for online distribution also. But the following seasons they probably did it as a standard part of getting the rights to any music they had in the show. Its also why many old movies and TV shows have been delayed in getting released on DVD and such.

[Demented Daisy]

Oh, yeah, I got that.  It's just weird that they can use it in a later episode, but not an earlier.  I guess they only got the rights for this one episode?

[Goldmoon]

I kept waiting for Pete and Myka to show up and bag the cursed artifacts.  I realized I was in the wrong verse when Dean didn't pull out a magic baggie.  I liked this one.  I appreciated the fakeout with the tea kettle.  I was sure the woman was going to cut her fingers off.  Loved Dean's desire to put on the toe shoes and dance.  Loved the son who inadvertently let those things loose on the world.  I adore those coats but found it weird that they were outside in the snow in their regular open jackets and wore the coats inside.

[Ubiquitous]

This whole episode reminds me of the old Friday the 13th tv show, specifically the episode with the dancers killed by an antique music box.

 

Anyway, didn't love it, didn't hate it.  Meh.

That's exactly what I thought!

[DittyDotDot]

I enjoy this episode well enough, but you know what always catches my attention? All those damn piles of snow. Portland has never had that much snow sitting on the ground. If they do get snow, it rarely amounts to much and usually melts by the end of the day. I've often thought they should use Portland in an episode, though, because Vancouver and Portland do have a similar look and feel to them and could be a way for them to shoot an urban episode quite easily.

On 1/21/2015 at 4:12 PM, Demented Daisy said:

Oh, yeah, I got that.  It's just weird that they can use it in a later episode, but not an earlier.  I guess they only got the rights for this one episode?

I believe they only make deals for one episode at a time, each deal would be separately made and has no bearing on the other deal. 

[sarthaz]

On 8/18/2014 at 1:19 PM, Demented Daisy said:

 

This whole episode reminds me of the old Friday the 13th tv show, specifically the episode with the dancers killed by an antique music box.

 

Me too.  I remember staying up late to watch that show.  First time I ever heard the word "manifest". :)

Anyway, this episode always makes me smile.  I love the callout to Mary Page Keller as a real estate agent again (after finding fame a lifetime ago with Duet/Open House), and the stuff between her and George is gold.

[Hanahope]

Yup got both a Friday the 13th and a Warehouse 13 vibe from this episode.  Nice to see the leviathans back into the story, but I didn't get how buying up small businesses furthered the plan.  Hopefully that will get explained more.  I did wonder what happened to the 'helpful' leviathan.

[AwesomO4000]

12 hours ago, Hanahope said:

 Nice to see the leviathans back into the story, but I didn't get how buying up small businesses furthered the plan.  

I think that was where they were going to put their "research center." I think George was serious about them researching to "cure cancer"... because they wanted a "healthier" food source.

As for George, someone somewhere thought they saw a second bag where Sam and Dean had also cut George's head off. I checked SuperWiki, though, and it didn't say what happened to George.

[bettername2come]

I like the little girl apologizing as she kicks the brothers. I'm mildly disappointed we didn't get to see Ballet Dean, but him wanting to wear them was still immensely entertaining. I really like the coffee shop Dean works out of for some reason. It was really cute. A little weird that Sam goes to the coffee cart before meeting Dean at the coffee shop, but fair enough since he was falling asleep at the wheel before that. "Nesting doll of Dick" is a deeply disturbing phrase on multiple levels. I like the assistant who wants to eat his boss. As much as they're constantly collecting supernatural junk, this is the first time it requires a U-Haul. Frank! See it's stuff like this that makes me not like you, season 7! Bobby, Frank, Castiel 

Spoiler

for most of the season. And then they try to make it up to me with Kevin and Charlie until they kill them off too. 

[RulerofallIsurvey]

Wow, I really like this ep!  It's more entertaining than I remember: creepy and gross and kooky at the same time.  The cursed objects were all fun in a creepy Supernatural kind of way. ? I wish we'd learned a little more about Scott's mother; who she was.  She obviously knew about cursed objects and what to do with them.  I wonder if she was a hunter or more of an occultist.  I like the snow scenes, especially at the beginning when Dean is on the phone with Frank it's so pretty.  I don't get to see much snow like that in SC, and this way I can enjoy it without getting cold! ?  And this one has the guy's in those gorgeous overcoats!  The navy blue looks really good on Sam/Jared. 

I even like the mentions of Sam's hallLuciferations better in this ep than in the last ep.  I know that goes against the 'show don't tell', but a little of Lucifer really does go a long way.  And, I don't know why, but it helps me understand better hearing Sam talk about what it's like for him versus seeing Lucifer taunting him. 

I even enjoyed Joyce and George much more this time around than I did the first time through.  I could really appreciate their quirkiness.  The Leviathans are really an interesting adversary.  They aren't simply one-note like vampires, werewolves, wraiths, etc pretty much are.  The Leviathans had their own personalities in spite of what bodies they inhabited, or simulated rather.  There also seems to be a defined chain of command, unlike with most other monsters groups we've seen.  They're smart too.  Nothing much can destroy them (borax and beheading) that we've seen so far in the season, and yet they are very subtly insinuating themselves into the world as it is instead of starting a war outright to take it over and completely remake it like Lucifer and the angels wanted to do. 

I'd forgotten until the end this is also the ep where Frank buys the farm.  So long, Frank!  We hardly knew you.  Just when I was really enjoying his paranoid snark.

[catrox14]

This is one of those eps where the gag reel affects my viewing now. LOL

It's not a bad thing but I can't not watch the scene of Sam and Dean interviewing Scott without hearing Jared say "Look... Scott" and then Jensen laughs and Jared says "That's some bad acting" about himself. LOL

[JanetWaldo]

On 11/1/2017 at 0:09 PM, catrox14 said:

This is one of those eps where the gag reel affects my viewing now. LOL

It's not a bad thing but I can't not watch the scene of Sam and Dean interviewing Scott without hearing Jared say "Look... Scott" and then Jensen laughs and Jared says "That's some bad acting" about himself. LOL

I have not seen the gag reel for this season, I don't think.  Is it on the dvd?  I'll have to get it soon.  There are several outtakes that I admit affect my viewing of the aired scene, but this is not one of them.  

[DittyDotDot]

12 hours ago, JanetWaldo said:

I have not seen the gag reel for this season, I don't think.  Is it on the dvd?  I'll have to get it soon.  There are several outtakes that I admit affect my viewing of the aired scene, but this is not one of them.  

 

It is on the DVDs, but it's also here...

 

ENJOY!

[sarthaz]

I love this episode. Bring back George!

[Iju]

On 11/1/2017 at 9:04 AM, Runswithscissors said:

Wow, I really like this ep!  It's more entertaining than I remember: creepy and gross and kooky at the same time.  The cursed objects were all fun in a creepy Supernatural kind of way. ? I wish we'd learned a little more about Scott's mother; who she was.  She obviously knew about cursed objects and what to do with them.  I wonder if she was a hunter or more of an occultist.  I like the snow scenes, especially at the beginning when Dean is on the phone with Frank it's so pretty.  I don't get to see much snow like that in SC, and this way I can enjoy it without getting cold! ?  And this one has the guy's in those gorgeous overcoats!  The navy blue looks really good on Sam/Jared. 

I even like the mentions of Sam's hallLuciferations better in this ep than in the last ep.  I know that goes against the 'show don't tell', but a little of Lucifer really does go a long way.  And, I don't know why, but it helps me understand better hearing Sam talk about what it's like for him versus seeing Lucifer taunting him. 

I even enjoyed Joyce and George much more this time around than I did the first time through.  I could really appreciate their quirkiness.  The Leviathans are really an interesting adversary.  They aren't simply one-note like vampires, werewolves, wraiths, etc pretty much are.  The Leviathans had their own personalities in spite of what bodies they inhabited, or simulated rather.  There also seems to be a defined chain of command, unlike with most other monsters groups we've seen.  They're smart too.  Nothing much can destroy them (borax and beheading) that we've seen so far in the season, and yet they are very subtly insinuating themselves into the world as it is instead of starting a war outright to take it over and completely remake it like Lucifer and the angels wanted to do. 

I'd forgotten until the end this is also the ep where Frank buys the farm.  So long, Frank!  We hardly knew you.  Just when I was really enjoying his paranoid snark.

i just like dean's mysterious obsession with the ballerina shoes. worth a rewatch.

[The Companion]

On 8/20/2014 at 1:55 PM, AwesomO4000 said:

I liked that guy also, and Dean's advice to him.

As for the coats, I at first thought they might be leftover from the wedding episode, because when I saw the screencap from this episode in the "Guess this episode" thread, that;s where my mind went first was that episode, but I after checking it appears they had normal suits for that one, so yeah, not sure why they went for longer here except that it was cold and/or that might be the local style (so a rental?).

I blame the nice suit Dean got in Time after Time after Time. In fact that also meshes with the comment on his suit on The Slice Girls.

On 3/4/2015 at 12:23 PM, Goldmoon said:

I kept waiting for Pete and Myka to show up and bag the cursed artifacts.  I realized I was in the wrong verse when Dean didn't pull out a magic baggie.  I liked this one.  I appreciated the fakeout with the tea kettle.  I was sure the woman was going to cut her fingers off.  Loved Dean's desire to put on the toe shoes and dance.  Loved the son who inadvertently let those things loose on the world.  I adore those coats but found it weird that they were outside in the snow in their regular open jackets and wore the coats inside.

I seriously found myself waiting for the bags even though the show was cancelled years ago.

On 11/1/2017 at 8:04 AM, RulerofallIsurvey said:

I even enjoyed Joyce and George much more this time around than I did the first time through.  I could really appreciate their quirkiness.  The Leviathans are really an interesting adversary.  They aren't simply one-note like vampires, werewolves, wraiths, etc pretty much are.  The Leviathans had their own personalities in spite of what bodies they inhabited, or simulated rather.  There also seems to be a defined chain of command, unlike with most other monsters groups we've seen.  They're smart too.  Nothing much can destroy them (borax and beheading) that we've seen so far in the season, and yet they are very subtly insinuating themselves into the world as it is instead of starting a war outright to take it over and completely remake it like Lucifer and the angels wanted to do. 

I'd forgotten until the end this is also the ep where Frank buys the farm.  So long, Frank!  We hardly knew you.  Just when I was really enjoying his paranoid snark.

I loved Joyce and Frank and have really liked the Leviathans (overuse of cheesy cgi notwithstanding) for all the reasons stated.

[Katy M]

I think they should have let George eat Joyce before decapitating him. One more leviathan permanently put down.