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I think he used bad writing.

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When I watched the first episode and saw that Harold was a father separated from his son, I’ll admit I wanted him to yell “Waaaaaalllllt”.    I watched the first three episodes on Prime and enj

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It really bothered me that everyone sat there at the diner watching a total stranger physically attack a man they all know to be harmless. No one stepped in or said anything. No one got the sheriff to

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On 5/21/2023 at 7:21 PM, katenm said:

Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star got to me. It made Victor being in the town since he was a young boy seem real; well, as real as anything in that town can seem.

Agreed. I thought Jade was going to do a simple, quick version because he's a prick, but he chose to play a really beautiful version complete with flourishes.

I'm glad Donna put that prick on the bus. She's the best leader in the town that can face the hard choices in a smart way. Boyd continues to spiral down. Every time Kenny is sad it makes me cry. Of course, Kristie's financee was going to be awful.

I love slow stories more than most but my patience for adding more pricks to the town and receiving no answers is starting to wear my patience thin.

I really hope we get some answers during this season. It's been a season and a half. We have no answers only tons of mysteries that don't seem to fit together. I'm not asking for a final explanation, just a small step forward to advance the plot instead of adding more turds to the punchbowl. 

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Catfi9ht

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I have mixed feelings about this show. The intensity and escalation in each episode can be really good and all the actors are excellent. My frustration with the characters refusing to communicate with one another tempers that excitement. I feel like we're moving toward getting answers the second half of this season so I'm cautiously optimistic. If this season ends with more questions than answers, I'm not sure if I'll watch season 3 if there is one.

Most streaming services tend to cancel shows after two seasons so the end might be imminent. I haven't really seen much buzz about this show, but I've also seen no ads about it either. I'm surprised this thread is as dead as it is which is also a bad sign. Is there any info about how this show is doing?

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topanga

topanga

What the hell is going on with the cicadas? No one can see them, but they still attack people and cause pain? And make people's eyes crazy? 

Did the cicadas kill the sleeping woman? If so, how did they break her bones? That part is still confusing. 

Poor Ethan. He is over it. He can no longer be placated by stories or the idea of going on a quest. 

 

 

 

On 6/14/2023 at 1:37 PM, Catfi9ht said:

Most streaming services tend to cancel shows after two seasons so the end might be imminent. I haven't really seen much buzz about this show, but I've also seen no ads about it either. I'm surprised this thread is as dead as it is which is also a bad sign. Is there any info about how this show is doing?

I've seen no marketing for this show. I stumbled upon it on when Amazon Prime recommended it and I saw that Harold Perrineau was in the cast. 

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Catfi9ht

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13 minutes ago, topanga said:

What the hell is going on with the cicadas? No one can see them, but they still attack people and cause pain? And make people's eyes crazy?

I like Sara's theory about the dead peoples' nightmares coming to life. Maybe that's the origin of the creepy people. They manifested as the origin of some dead person's nightmare. The cicadas came out of the dead monster's mouth so because one nightmare monster died, the town had to manifest a new nightmare from someone else. Maybe the creepy people were manifested from the nightmare of the dead boy dressed in white.

That's probably the first theory I've been able to piece together from this show because it's got so many crazy happenings and none of them really seem to fit together. It's probably not right, but at least there's some semblance of similar happenings that I can finally begin to speculate. 😆

18 minutes ago, topanga said:

I've seen no marketing for this show. I stumbled upon it on when Amazon Prime recommended it and I saw that Harold Perrineau was in the cast.

Same! HP is the same reason I started this show too! He will always be the best version of Mercutio to me. I love him so much in that role. 🥰

Welp, maybe we'll get some answers with next week's season finale!

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Taget

Taget

On 6/14/2023 at 1:37 PM, Catfi9ht said:

I have mixed feelings about this show. The intensity and escalation in each episode can be really good and all the actors are excellent. My frustration with the characters refusing to communicate with one another tempers that excitement. I feel like we're moving toward getting answers the second half of this season so I'm cautiously optimistic. If this season ends with more questions than answers, I'm not sure if I'll watch season 3 if there is one.

Most streaming services tend to cancel shows after two seasons so the end might be imminent. I haven't really seen much buzz about this show, but I've also seen no ads about it either. I'm surprised this thread is as dead as it is which is also a bad sign. Is there any info about how this show is doing?

On lack of communication.  One thing to keep in mind.  We don't actually know how long they have been together.  We don't even know if Victor has only survived one "reset" where the community was wiped out.   The town may only have 40 people tops with a very high turnover rate.  Kept in a constant state of agitation where no one has much time for much discussion until the next crisis hits.

if you take this to the human world picture a town occupied where the invaders use torture and atrocity to shock people into a state of fear because they know once they calmed down planning for an insurrection could start.  Terror and horror are a form of social control.

Epix/MGM+ isn't most streaming services.  It is a pay cable channel even if like HBO they are trying to rebrand into a streaming channel because that makes investors happy.  They are also building up their original programming inventory. Godfather of Harlem is already in it's third season and should see a fourth.  They haven't greenlighted a zillion shows like some streaming services did (and ended up reversing course when it was too many).  I think we'll get a third. 

For what it's worth and includes very necessary caution of who knows how long the writers strike will go for and how that affects everyone's plans with everything.

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The other issue is the current writers’ strike. Reportedly the show has been renewed for season 3 because the local IATSE Local 849 production union has been told the series has been greenlit, according to Decider. However, the strike has put that on hold, and shows have changed course and written into cancellation status with production delays in the past.

https://readysteadycut.com/2023/06/17/from-season-3/#:~:text=At the time of this,praise from critics and fans.

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tired and hungry

tired and hungry

21 hours ago, WaltersHair said:

The only two criticisms I have are too many characters and they never speak to each other. I'm hoping the finale gives us enough to hang on to until the next season.

Agreed. With so many people having such different experiences I'm sure they are connected. I know they don't want to trouble/upset the regular folk with their theories/delusions but if they really want to figure stuff out then the least they can do is talk/communicate amongst themselves. I mean what else do they have to do everyday? 

Also agreed on the too many people. I don't really mind some NPC people dying tbh. There's way too many people at colony house. Collateral Damage maybe...

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tired and hungry

tired and hungry

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OMG That Ending!!!!!! 

Can't believe we have to wait a year for answers now...

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I did think during S1 that maybe them "dying" in the town was the way for them to escape back to the real world. But it didn't really make sense when S2 started so I quickly forgot about that.. 

I am confused if Tabitha escaped because she found the tower or because she "died" falling off it.. I wonder if she can find the others who died previously. What if they too are alive somewhere? Do they still remember what happened? Are they also looking for a way to find the others that are still stuck in town?

Msybe Sara was right when she tried to kill Ethan.. That's the way to get home..

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9 hours ago, tired and hungry said:

OMG That Ending!!!!!! 

Can't believe we have to wait a year for answers now...

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I did think during S1 that maybe them "dying" in the town was the way for them to escape back to the real world. But it didn't really make sense when S2 started so I quickly forgot about that.. 

I am confused if Tabitha escaped because she found the tower or because she "died" falling off it.. I wonder if she can find the others who died previously. What if they too are alive somewhere? Do they still remember what happened? Are they also looking for a way to find the others that are still stuck in town?

Msybe Sara was right when she tried to kill Ethan.. That's the way to get home..

She did not die, she was pushed through a portal and back in the real world.

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Taget

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A few things.

First. I am not convinced the kid in white is the good guy and not just toying with them.  Or at the very least answering to a higher power and just following orders even if doing so a bit more reluctantly.

Second.  I now get why the bus was necessary.  How long has it been since the end of season 1 and the end of season 2.  Maybe two weeks?  And what has the body count been since then?  Come to think of it how long has it been since the Matthews' family arrived?   One month?  Two months?

Three.  The kids saying Angkoeey.  I am wondering if it's a child's mispronunciation of another word that's similar used to describe what they are going through.  Two come to mind.  Agoge was the harsh regimen children had to go through to train them in Ancient Sparta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agoge

Another would be Anagoge which would be more meta.  Again from wikipedia.

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Anagoge sometimes spelled anagogy, is a Greek word suggesting a climb or ascent upwards. The anagogical is a method of mystical or spiritual interpretation of statements or events, especially scriptural exegesis, that detects allusions to the afterlife.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anagoge

Given the last two scenes with Tabitha I find that definition intriguing.

Lastly I am curious to see who Tabitha meets on the outside in the unnamed town she is now in.  There are three directions they could go in.  She could meet those who "died" in the town.  She could meet those who escaped the town (i.e. perhaps the nurse is Victor's mother).  Or she could just be in a dream like state (perhaps to the outside world catatonic like Julie was) and/or chained to some wall or stone somewhere.

Whatever the answer they need to hurry up and settle the writer's strike and gives us a third season!

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topanga

topanga

7 hours ago, Taget said:

Whatever the answer they need to hurry up and settle the writer's strike and gives us a third season!

Agreed. The finale was compelling but didn't provide us with many answers.

What about the formerly-douchy guy who's now in the tunnels? I like him now because he's really trying to figure out what's going on. If only him, Boyd, the deputy, Donna, Matthew, Victor, Tabitha, and maybe even Sara would have town council meeting and say: "This is what I know. This is what you know and have experienced. Could they be connected?" 

Maybe that would cause confusion, but it would also allow people to realize that some of them have been having similar experiences. 

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Catfi9ht

Catfi9ht

Welp, the only answer we got was Boyd solving a problem that was created two episodes ago.

I love slower shows than most people, but this show is a slog. So much time was wasted with scenes that didn't matter especially the wedding scene.

I'm no longer emotionally invested in the characters. I didn't care about Tabitha leaving. I didn't care about the wedding. I didn't care about any of the three knuckleheads who were temporarily infected with screaming sickness.

Not satisfying for me at all. None of the pieces remotely resemble anything similar. It feels like the show started with its premise but no ending. Now they have no idea how to wrap anything up.

I doubt I'll be back for season three unless it miraculously gets any type of advertising and positive reviews.

For folks who like the show, I hope it continues to keep you engaged.

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Anela

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On 4/30/2023 at 11:05 AM, PurpleTentacle said:

Chained up man: "Let me tell you about what else is going on here."

Boyd: "Let's change the subject."

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Who writes this shit?

Well now we know.

 

I'm on episode four of season two, and I wondered how he had a rope to climb, when this guy was chained up, and didn't look capable of throwing him a rope. 

The girl with the thing in her head, was painful just watching. Just horrible. 

It feels like a mixture of Lost, The Truman Show, and I've totally forgotten the other show I was thinking of earlier. 

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tired and hungry

tired and hungry

10 hours ago, Anela said:

it reminds me a bit of a video game

When I saw the first episode, it reminded me of the numerous r/NoSleep stories on Reddit similar to this plot. I had read so many user written stories where a person moves into a small quaint and eerie town and is warned not to "go out at night" and also stuff like "never answer the door after dark no matter who it is". Stories of kids raised in small towns where they are asked to always be back home before sunset & to never play outside after dark and not to question why. I have even read stories where people cover & lock all windows/doors at night and never look outside the windows(Like everyone in the town is used to this stuff happening at night). Also the "creatures" that come at night knock on the doors and "look human" and can speak like humans to trick them to open the door.

I was tempted to look up these stories on the subreddit when I saw Ep1 to find any story that was the most similar to the show but there are so many stories it was impossible to go through them all

(Also I think the show maybe be inspired from a folklore creature called Wendigo. Atleast this creature was the inspiration of many of the subreddit stories)

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Catfi9ht

Catfi9ht

2 hours ago, tired and hungry said:

it reminded me of the numerous r/NoSleep stories on Reddit similar to this plot. I had read so many user written stories where a person moves into a small quaint and eerie town and is warned not to "go out at night" and also stuff like "never answer the door after dark no matter who it is". Stories of kids raised in small towns where they are asked to always be back home before sunset & to never play outside after dark and not to question why

Going back further, this is the moral lesson of fairy tales. Stay away from the woods, there are monsters out there.

What's interesting to me is that our fascination with this type of tale hasn't really changed, just the method of delivery. This is also something I hadn't noticed before. This show is very "original" Brothers Grimm before the stories were Disneyfied. That's probably what drew me to it.

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Which Tyler

Which Tyler

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Just discovered this, and I gather a new season is out in about a month, so we're intending to pace ourselves at 2-3 episodes per week (my favoured "binge" pace, too few for Ali).

We're two episodes in, and Hmmmm...
Is it okay to theorise here? There's certainly a dark mystery to this show. I'm going to put our theory up here, ready to be shot down by anyone who's 18 episodes ahead of us, and before reading anyone else's speculation


2 episodes in, and Ali and I have got:


The show's title - highly unusual in being essentially impossible to use as a search term. Rabbie Burns would consider this a spoiler for our theory
Writers from Lost.
Theme tune by The Pixies
Travel by tree - to an unearthly realm no less
Surrounded by forest (virgin forest?)
Runestones of protection (our theory would be stronger if these were flint arrow/spear heads [yes, I know, scrapers not spear heads])
Promises / bargains going horribly wrong (enchantment?)
Story told by the siblings in the campervan - (We both feel that we should be able to identify a "lake of tears" but can't, certainly can identify other bits of Norman's story though)
Ominous murder of rows (in title sequence and travel-by-tree)
A "Host" of monsters

We're far from firm in our theory, (of course, 2 episodes), but I'm expecting:
Lumps of iron to counter the Host
Horses (probably black)
Gifts of food
Glamour
More bargaining than "we can help" and "I'm granny, honest"
A ring of mushrooms surrounding the entire town

Half expecting the Grimm's, Lady Guest or Gaiman to get a consulting credit.

 

ETA: Actually, I don't think I will read other people' speculations until I'm caught up - or at least, try to keep myself to talk on episodes I've already seen. If I come back and edit this post as I go along, I'll add them as "ETA as of S01E02" or whatever.

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51 minutes ago, Which Tyler said:

ETA: Actually, I don't think I will read other people' speculations until I'm caught up - or at least, try to keep myself to talk on episodes I've already seen. If I come back and edit this post as I go along, I'll add them as "ETA as of S01E02" or whatever.

That is the flaw with the single thread system which is why all threads (shows on the site) can now be separated into individual episodes, (a fairly recent decision for this to be available/enacted for all shows) if a member is willing to go through the trouble. This doesn't fix the problem for old single threads that existed before this change. I realized the flaw in the system and personally added bookmarks throughout the thread marking when each new episode began, although not perfect (it is possible that a comment from a new post might have gotten added before I added the bookmark, but it will not be often), this entire thread should be perfectly safe for you to read at any time you choose to start doing so.

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S01E04

I remember a tree, upon a hill,
If it stood there then, does it stand there still?

If it doesn't stand still, but moves about,
Then open the gate, and let it out.

                                                Spike Milligan

Yes, yes they do move about.

 

Confirmation of the "travel by tree" aspect, rather than the one ambiguous shown and the throw away comment. Everyone got here by tree - except Victor, the original inhabitant from the 60s.

And the single most obvious tree-portal you've ever seen.

Victor (poor kid, how long was he alone for? Decades? That'd go quite some way to explaining his... erm... awkward social interactions.

 

Professor Umbridge / Death mark messages... I'm drawing a blank in terms of my theorising. Also uncertain on the kid in white - I'd assumed a Seellee to the Host's Unseellee, but Victor seems to see him as a harbinger of doom.

"Interesting" that they only need a map of (contiguous) USA to notate everyone's portal of arrival. Seems odd that t respects human borders that way. I don't put this down to anything in the lore though.

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S01E05

I initially got excited about seeing the stone circle as reinforcing my theory.

But that's a Victorian or later fake. Lichen growth looks like grave stones from the turn of the 19th-20th century, certainly not ancient.

Are bronze-aged standing stone circles a thing in the US?

Having another look at the map of where townsfolk came from before travelling to the faerie realm - that's very much what humans consider a random distribution, and not remotely how "random" works.

 

I don't know if I'm supposed to notice either of those things.

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