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I've realized that my feelings about the show's current status and cancellation potential are like when you're in that phase of a relationship where you're realizing it's not working, but you don't re

Curio
Curio

So, this OUAT ad played during the Oscars last night. The Oscars drew 32.9 million viewers. Not including sporting events, the Academy Awards is consistently one of the most-watched events on tel

Mari
Mari

So, the last five minutes were so bad they caused widespread device malfunction?  Sounds about right.

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Tiger

Tiger

2 hours ago, cappoe said:

ABC's Pilot list leaves a lot to be desired. None of those new dramas sound gripping at all or even remotely interesting. They all sound like practically the same thing.

I agree on their drama pilots, though the Marc Cherry/Reba may have potential.

But think a lot of the comedies sound fantastic.  It seems the last several years that ABC comedy development has been significanrly stronger than its drama development.

Which is probably why their are rumours flying that ABC will only debut 1 new drama in the fall and up to 4 new comedies.

oncebluethrone

oncebluethrone

5 hours ago, cappoe said:

ABC's Pilot list leaves a lot to be desired. None of those new dramas sound gripping at all or even remotely interesting. They all sound like practically the same thing.

The only one I'm even remotely interested in is Marvel's Inhumans, but since Iwan Rheon's starring in it, I'm not sure I want to watch it because I have too many horrifying memories associated with his character on Game of Thrones.

maryle

maryle

Happy to see Once back at .8!! 

Even, if at the stade don't think it matters. I think they will stay in the o.8-1.0 range til the end. The extra promo will help them.

 

Still believe thehe rating for the wedding (musical) and final could be back in the 1.1 but not indicate the rating for the spin off about the new guy and the little girl.

General Days

General Days

On 4/21/2017 at 8:45 PM, Tiger said:

I agree on their drama pilots, though the Marc Cherry/Reba may have potential.

But think a lot of the comedies sound fantastic.  It seems the last several years that ABC comedy development has been significanrly stronger than its drama development.

Which is probably why their are rumours flying that ABC will only debut 1 new drama in the fall and up to 4 new comedies.

Well, there's room in the schedule for four new comedies. While it's not official, both Notorious and Conviction are cancelled. It seems they've been stripped from the Disney-ABC press site. Time after Time is already cancelled and I can't imagine Secrets and Lies will get renewed.

I do think Once will get that seventh season, assuming they can come to terms on the actors' contracts. The ABC May Upfronts are on Tuesday, 5/16 this year. The season six finale is scheduled for May 14th, so I expect we'll hear before then. 

Tiger

Tiger

With the writers strike now a very really possibility, I think we're going to see ABC steer into more steeply into its plan to ramp up comedy and alternative, as the former is the quickest to get going again, especially returning shows, and the latter can continue to be produced.   

Based on everything I've read and things my friend is hearing at ABC Studios, I really think ABC is going to announce a fall schedule (which would ultimately be different in the event of a strike) that comedy 4X blocks Tue, Wed, Fri, another hour on Sun, Shark on Sun, and drama limited to Thu + Mon-Wed at 10.  

This would allow them to air comedy repeats which repeat well, and plug-and-play with alternsative in limited drama slots.  For example, in place of TGIT they could do a fall edition of Bachelor.

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cappoe

I'm pretty sure we're definitely looking at renewal. What with the upfronts skit filmed and the poster appearing at ABC lot.

And we're likely looking at Colin, JMO, and Lana back.

BTW there's a blind item for a drama so bad that the network TV tried to kill it but it's airing within the next 7 months.

My money is on Still Star Crossed. ABC wanted to kill it but couldn't because it's a Shonda show.

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Tiger

Tiger

1 hour ago, cappoe said:

I'm pretty sure we're definitely looking at renewal. What with the upfronts skit filmed and the poster appearing at ABC lot.

And we're likely looking at Colin, JMO, and Lana back.

BTW there's a blind item for a drama so bad that the network TV tried to kill it but it's airing within the next 7 months.

My money is on Still Star Crossed. ABC wanted to kill it but couldn't because it's a Shonda show.

What skit are you talking?

And any on-lot poster has probably been up for a while.  

Colin remains the only actor under contract for a theoretical season 8.  I know for a FACT that Jen, etx havent even been approached for negotiations.

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sharky

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Lana posted a picture of her with Kerry Washington filming something together for upfronts. Then add to that the screening the network is hosting with fans for the musical episode -- that's not something you do for a show you're about to cancel.

As for the writers strike, a lot can happen between when their contract is up and when upfronts start. If this strike lingers, it works in Once's favor. During the strike, new shows can't start building a writers room while Once already has writers hired. So it will be much easier to get Once back up and running than a brand new comedy.

Tiger

Tiger

1 hour ago, sharky said:

Lana posted a picture of her with Kerry Washington filming something together for upfronts. Then add to that the screening the network is hosting with fans for the musical episode -- that's not something you do for a show you're about to cancel.

As for the writers strike, a lot can happen between when their contract is up and when upfronts start. If this strike lingers, it works in Once's favor. During the strike, new shows can't start building a writers room while Once already has writers hired. So it will be much easier to get Once back up and running than a brand new comedy.

I'm pretty sure that was for Scandal's 100th episode a couple of weeks ago.

They havent created any marketing materials for the upfronts yet.

And nope, doesnt change the fact that everyone but Colin is no longer on contract.  And dramas, even existing ones, for whatever reason take a while to start cranking out new episodes.  

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sharky

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Oh hey, if you write the thing people want to see, then people watch the thing they want to see. I would hope this clues A&E into what the focus of next season should be but I think it would take an anvil dropped on their heads by ABC suits for that to happen.

BTW with the musical screening tomorrow night do you think we could get an announcement about a possible renewal then? Seems like it would be the perfect event for something like that. 

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maryle

maryle

I do believe cs back together with more light moment with all the Charming clan  did contribe but all the promo for the wedding musical and the atmosphere of end of era are at play here also

Adding, that for the first time in forever the second half seems to me a bit better overall.  But, the first half was so pointless and without any direction that doesn't say much.

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Inquirer

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Interesting. I would think the recent ratings bump would be a good thing for Once, but maybe ABC knows the bump is only because people truly think that it's going to be THE END and want to watch as a result, and if it wasn't THE END than the numbers would go right back to where they were.

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cappoe

cappoe

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Actually the creator of Shield said that if this is the last season it actually ends at a good point. I also have a hard time with the comparison between OUAT and Quantico or Shield.

It got a 0.9 last episode and who knows what the musical episode will get. Meanwhile Shield fights for a 0.7 and Quantico is abysmal. 

I have a hard time believing that.

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sharky

sharky

21 minutes ago, cappoe said:

Disney is also promoting the heck out of this episode, that to me doesn't say oh it's ending this season. Maybe for some characters but not for all.

That's how I feel as well. You don't have a preview screening for fans if it's the second to last episode of the series and you're about to cancel it. And for a show with this kind of following and longevity, you would either be promoting the hell out of the final episodes or they would be some indication that things could end. Castle was officially cancelled the week of its finale, sure, but Stana Katic got fired in mid-April.

And I highly doubt ABC would keep Quantico but cancel Once. Quantico is pulling a season average 0.69 -- and that includes their move to Monday to try and boost ratings. Agents may have a better chance, but they're still pulling an average 0.74 for the season. They had a 0.7 on Tuesday with 2.1 million viewers. Once has a 0.94 with 3 million viewers on a night that is becoming another dead zone on network schedules now. Masked Scheduler did an interesting write-up on Sundays becoming a tough night for networks.

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Inquirer

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16 hours ago, cappoe said:

I also have a hard time with the comparison between OUAT and Quantico or Shield.

It got a 0.9 last episode and who knows what the musical episode will get. Meanwhile Shield fights for a 0.7 and Quantico is abysmal. 

Quantico is one thing, but with S.H.I.E.L.D the live ratings don't matter as much due to syndication and foreign revenue.

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And I highly doubt ABC would keep Quantico but cancel Once.

Tiger didn't say they would, he said both Once and Quantico looked to be possibly ending compared to S.H.I.E.L.D and Designated Survivor.

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Tiger

21 hours ago, cappoe said:

Actually the creator of Shield said that if this is the last season it actually ends at a good point. I also have a hard time with the comparison between OUAT and Quantico or Shield.

It got a 0.9 last episode and who knows what the musical episode will get. Meanwhile Shield fights for a 0.7 and Quantico is abysmal. 

I have a hard time believing that.

Jed & Mo are on record that AoS ends the season with several cliffhangers.  

cappoe

cappoe

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And now Designated has crashed to a 0.9. The same ratings as OUAT. I'm sorry but I don't believe the show is ending especially if this Sunday gets an increase as well.

TV Line also did an update and OUAT is a safe bet while AOS can go either way and Quantico is likely cancelled.

ABC is promoting the heck out of this episode.

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Souris

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3 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

This is my consensus as well. I think now it's just a question of who is or isn't coming back, and to what capacity.

Same here.

There has to be more characters around than just the new guy and the little girl. Will the rebooted cast be mostly new (cheaper) actors? Will current cast members be only occasional guest stars? Will one or two be regulars?

Personally, I don't see more than a couple of current regulars being around much next season. There was way too much goodbye vibe from the cast and crew at the end of filming.

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General Days

General Days

On 5/2/2017 at 10:58 AM, jjjmoss said:

AFHV adjusted up again. So it went 1.2/0.9/0.8. Makes me wonder if Match Game would have gotten the 0.9 if it got the AFHV direct lead-in.

Honestly, your insistence that Channing Dugey wouldn't cancel Merrin's show has made your assertions improbable to me. I'm glad you have a contact at ABC Studios, but I do not think you have any real info, above and beyond what we get from Deadline. 

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