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Given the circumstances, this scene is drop-your-jaw creepy/unsettling. https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/jesse-plemons-singing-in-el-camino-video-46764698

LMAO because, I kid you not, this is what I flashed on when I saw that photo:

The Utah state legislature has ancestor issues and prefers a world where polygamist women and children demonstrate knowing their place by bending over and grabbing their socks. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/utah-senate-votes-unanimously-to-decriminalize-polygamy/ar-BB100Rt8?ocid=hplocalnews

I wondered what was up because he wrote "I hope she likes it" - if you're working with her by designing for her you won't be wondering what her opinion is, you will know what she thinks.

Plus, going home to visit the peeps when it's somewhere you never lived ... nah. It's rarely satisfying and usually unsettling. The peeps are OK with it because it's where they now live but for those who are visiting... nah. When we did that I thought we might as well have booked a hotel suite halfway between where everyone lived. Yawn. Bummer. Nope.

Their go-to evaluator in every event or situation is "What's in it for me?" Just when you think they can't possibly sink lower, they do.

No doubt, this won't faze Meri one bit, in fact it will reinforce her delusions because she can afford (quite frequently) to go where the elite meet. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/fans-react-to-disneyland-ticket-price-increase-i-will-not-be-going-there/ar-BBZVBal?li=BBnbfcL

I never have liked the prices or the selection at Family Dollar. The Dollar Generals in Saint George are mini Walmarts. Their pricing is the same as and sometimes even less than WM for canned food, paper products, toiletries, household items, pet products and a whole lot more. For me, both Walmarts in St George were a 10-15 minute freeway jaunt (one-way) but Dollar General was in my neighborhood and literally one minute from my house. Dollar Tree was across the street from DG and definitely my first choice for seasonal and "fun" items. I had it made, LOL.

I'm guessing that aping time is spring time. re the absence of the mentioned boots - I got nothin'. ETA: Yowzer, in the third photo in the first post she easily looks like a rode hard and put up wet 40-year-old.

Yep, in addition to humble bragging we now also have something called "virtue signaling." Doing something good, or right, or noble, or generous, or charitable is no longer its own reward. It must be heralded and cataloged in public - bonus points for including lots of photos of someone who "benefited" from whatever it was you did or didn't do. My daughter provides gifts to a needy family during the Christmas holiday, which is well and good, but then she posts photos of "The _ _ _ _ Family" receiving and opening her gifts on Facebook. I think that is absolutely an invasion of privacy! (If they wanted to take photos and post them that would be a different story - but it's never happened that way AFAIK). My hell, when she was a kid we had a couple of slim Christmas mornings after I got divorced and she would have died ... DIED ... if the general public saw photos of someone donating food and gifts to our household., especially if we were named. My Nana used to say it's better to give with warm hands (while you are alive) and I agree with that. I think it's also better to give with quiet hands. Pffftt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/style/kim-kardashian-has-learned-restraint.html?action=click&module=Editors Picks&pgtype=Homepage

Ohhh, I'm pretty sure "Is this chicken what I have, or is this fish?" (and the look on Nick's face) delivered the verdict on that many moons ago.

From 2016. Interesting ... https://www.etonline.com/news/194716_exclusive_shannen_doherty_says_her_dog_was_first_to_detect_her_breast_cancer

I watched the episode yesterday with Comcast On Demand. Wow. Looking forward to the discussion here - and the recap!

I've read about the law behind the validity of "Will you marry me?" in a public, legal setting and never have understood the necessity or the reasoning for it. But it exists, or did at that time. Florida is one strange place. I think the enabler label was hung on the wrong woman - it never belonged on Elizabeth but definitely belonged on CB. In the end, she knew the truth when he offered further information for more time above ground which, thankfully, he did not get. That marrying clip gets my vote for second must useless piece of TB film and first place goes to ... the judge COMPLIMENTING TB after sentencing him to death And Telling Him He Would Have Liked To Have Him Practice Law In His Courtroom. And telling him he Holds No Animosity toward him and to Take Care, Partner. It's hard to believe that the judge retained his job after that but he did. Florida is one strange place. The last episode IIRC mentioned that Susan Rancourt's mother and TB's mother spoke on the phone and there was also a follow-up letter, and there was no animosity in either direction. The episode also played the tape of his mother speaking to a reporter and her voice and her words conveyed that she was heartbroken and ashamed. I've heard that tape before and it's not easy to hear her grief for her firstborn son's victims. The younger son is gutted and it's obvious from his demeanor and the the fact that he lives in a camper in the backyard that he has issues. I think it showed strength of character that he said he felt no pleasure in looking at photos of camping trips and beach outings and such during happy times with the big half-brother he once idolized. I've never heard, or heard of, a comment from the stepfather or the other half siblings. The identity of his father remains unknown, except to his mother. There are so many victims here, beyond those who lost their lives.

As others have said, I really, really like the docs on this show. They are each a very different "type" and yet are so much alike. I enjoy seeing how their strengths and tics complement and amuse each other. Don't make me pick a favorite - but Dr Lavigne's poker face and dry humor put me away. I don't know enough about the wives to say what each of them is like but it appears so far that all three couples married well in terms of being compatible with their partner. I enjoy seeing and learning more about the various staff members as well. When going to a new doctor, have we all had the experience along the way of learning that if you like the staff you will like the doctor? And if you don't like the staff you ain't gonna like the doctor? I see that here.

I hope it helps somewhat to know that your dear loved one waits for you at the Rainbow Bridge and looks forward to being reunited just as much as you do, maybe even more. {{{a hug for you}}}

No. I was referring to TB's mental disorder which Elizabeth, many times in many ways over the years, has been faulted for not recognizing - which is the point of this series. As I said in my OP for most of their 4-year relationship he presented as ideal in terms of who/what she was seeking. Which is what sick fucks like TB do but how was she supposed to know that? She was a single parent looking for a life partner who would be a reliable addition to her family, who could be trusted around her daughter and would treat her and her daughter well. And, he joined the chu-urch so how bad could he be? I think presenting the case from a feminist perspective provided additional insight as to how events occurred. He played on/preyed on the fact that females are socialized to be helpful and nurturing, are socialized not to be thought of as bitches for turning down someone who asks for help. Because of the changes that were happening in society during the second wave of feminism, females of all stripes and especially female university students became easier, more available targets. Exercising freedom and autonomy invited law enforcement to posit that a missing girl was shacked up somewhere, on a bender or busy having an abortion. Having an abortion! That says everything about the prejudice of the LE officer who stated that opinion! (TB's mistake was disappearing so many women in one area. If he had expanded his operation, so to speak, the odds are that he never would have been caught. But he couldn't resist the thrill of causing wide-spread panic). Note that it was an older female who was part of the investigation who said early on that "A good-looking man is doing this." Ergo, he doesn't look dangerous, he doesn't look evil, he flatters us by paying attention to us. Girls are raised on Prince Charming. Even the relatively new interstate highway system was noted to have played a role, as one detective noted how easily someone with evil in mind could travel great distances in a relatively short amount of time without drawing attention to their behavior. Yes, there have always been traveling salesmen and truckers and others who covered great distances but they had legitimate reasons for covering hundreds of miles in a day. It is fortunate that TB used a credit card for buying gas as often as he did because the receipts placed him in areas at critical times. It was a perfect storm of advancements plus evil. There was also the old patriarchal story of males being territorial, with LE jurisdictions refusing to see the advantages of sharing information. (This wasn't new, not in the least - the same thing happened with the Tate-La Bianca cases. One jurisdiction had a gun used in the killings LONG before the pertinent jurisdiction found out about it). Elizabeth contacted the police three times IIRC. The first time she was told that the suspect VW was bronze rather than brown. Which was wrong, but her mind was eased. During another contact after she said the name Ted the officer said "Do you mean TB? He's already been eliminated." Again, her mind was eased. ("What is wrong with me, why am I thinking these things?") The third time, I think it was, in addition to her information not being taken seriously the officer asked her why she was calling attention to her boyfriend. From a feminist perspective that equals "blame the female." For something, for anything. Or for no reason. A woman in Washington (a sorority house mother?) is shown speaking with a TV reporter after Susan Rancourt's disappearance and she mentions that the young women she knows are angry. The reporter, either incredulously or impatiently, snaps "Why?" The woman answers that the students are angry because some man thinks he has the right to upend their lives but the flavor of the reporter's question (and the LEO's abortion response) is highly inappropriate and reflects unspoken prejudices. (You wanted freedom, you got freedom, don't come crying to us now, you brought this on yourself). Initiating disagreements in order to justify spending less time together is "normal" behavior every day of the week when one person in a relationship gets cold feet about taking it to the next level or becoming engaged or getting married. I don't think tolerating that, to a certain degree, indicates that a person is codependent. But ... pushing her out of the raft into the cold river water (with or without warning) now THAT was a huge red flag. No amount of examining the dynamics of the relationship explains or justifies making excuses for that. I thought she was brave and honest to admit to that incident because it reveals that she was willing to accept a certain level or type of abuse if that's what it took to sustain their relationship. I think she was young for her chronological age and unformed and unaware of her right to demand better from a partner. Is that the definition of codependent? I do not know. Because we live in naive, backward Utah, one of TB's very successful hunting grounds, about 20 years ago I made my teenage granddaughter read a TB book and to this day she is scared shitless of a lone male with crutches or an arm in a cast. Or a friendly guy she doesn't know who comes at her from nowhere. Or a boyfriend who activates her hinky meter. Good. Anyway, that is some of my perspective after watching the series. I didn't discern that any of the photos or comments normalized TB. What they did illustrate clearly is how very normal sick fucks can appear to be. Every time someone, anyone, realizes that fact something has been accomplished. Nothing could lessen my certainty that he did everything (and more 😞) that he was accused of. Cases like this resonate with me because when I was 18 my roommate and I were kidnapped by two guys when we were hitchhiking. We absolutely knew that their intentions were evil and we gamed them and got away unharmed but I have never forgotten how the fear tasted. Another night when I was in the mood to clean the apartment instead of gallivanting to Laguna the same roommate sold a quarter pound of weed to some folks we later realized were Charles Manson and a few of his minions. Another night in Laguna I was tiffing with my boyfriend and walked away from our group and realized after awhile that I was sitting on the sand inside of a circle of guys who showed up from nowhere and began taunting me while steadily moving closer. My bf and his brother and another friend came looking for me and they were outnumbered but after some pushing and shoving our side won. So ... Factoid: I asked a mod to delete this topic because, after about 24 hours, it hadn't generated any interest. So, whatever the opinions expressed here I do appreciate the responses you posted.

All 5 episodes debut on Amazon Prime on Friday, January 31. I've just finished episode 2 and what I find remarkable thus far is the female-centric format. The social constructs of the late 60s and 70s are front and center. In-depth stories about the victims, those who died and those who survived, are front and center. I realized after a few minutes into the first episode that the only voices I was hearing were female voices. Men's voices are heard eventually but they are the minority of what is presented. The former girlfriend at the center of this documentary has been shamed from every quarter over the years. This documentary goes a long way in providing pertinent background to the insight that she fell in love with a man who seemed too good to be true but she fell for him anyway - and then that relationship fell apart. He presented as ideal relationship material and I can't see faulting her for being deceived. She stayed too long - but we didn't have the tools and the information then that we have today. The average person knew very little about mental disorders and very little about how often the disordered walk among us. She and her daughter, who of course is now an adult, are well-spoken and present their history in ways that are easy to understand.

This is from mid-December and I didn't see it linked above so ... grab your barf buckets. https://people.com/tv/tori-spelling-admits-not-great-with-money/

Perhaps a significant factor in the decision is that the show failed to make the list of most-watched Netflix releases overall and failed to make the list of the top ten most-watched titles in the UK in 2019.

#liarliarpantsonfire

You know how you navigate by choosing Next Unread Topic and don't usually know where you landed? As soon as I saw "Those eyebrows.....!!!" I knew I was in Mykelti's topic.

Snowy white towels and linens send a message: "We got nothin' to hide." I've encountered the little black towels embroidered with Makeup a couple times and absolutely did NOT use them. Barf.

I knew a little old lady who generously powdered both sides before rolling them up and settling them into the cups of her brassiere. (She did NOT wear a bra, it was a brassiere!) At one point during the process they resembled cinnamon rolls being prepped for the oven that were maybe just a tad light on the cinnamon. She was a hoot.