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Interesting MG tweets about this episode (he also posted some behind-the-scenes tweets that I've put in the Slings and Arrows thread)... https://twitter.com/mguggenheim

MG's behind-the-scenes tweets pertinent to the "Left Behind" episode... https://twitter.com/mguggenheim

Dominic Cooper Supplies Stark's Strut on Marvel's Agent Carter Patrick Cavanaugh @TheWolfman Published Jan 20, 2015 Updated Jan 20, 2015 http://marvel.com/news/tv/23952/dominic_cooper_supplies_starks_strut_on_marvels_agent_carter

Marvel heroes tidbit... here's a fun Twitter feud between Chris Pratt and Chris Evans over the Super Bowl: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/inside-chris-pratt-chris-evans-twitter-feud-super-28382302

Felicity "is getting backlash for wanting to be done with crime fighting for a little bit" because some people will use any excuse to push down Felicity.

This is a really interesting article. The only comment I would make is that the writers refer to Gotham's Jim and Barbara being divorced in the comics, but don't seem to know that Oliver/GA and Dinah/BC also divorced in the comics.

The reviews were generally quite positive for the "Left Behind" episode. Many reviewers were very complimentary of EBR's performance as Felicity. For example (in addition to the EW recap posted by Velocity23 above): Arrow: Left Behind review Review Mike Cecchini 1/21/2015 at 9:56PM http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/arrow/242954/cw-arrow-season-3-episode-10-left-behind-review Arrow’ Review: “Left Behind” Kevin Fitzpatrick | 7 hours ago http://screencrush.com/arrow-review-left-behind/ ARROW: "LEFT BEHIND" REVIEW JESSE SCHEDEEN → JANUARY 21, 2015 http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/01/22/arrow-left-behind-review On the other hand, this reviewer was quite anti-Felicity (and unsurprisingly, quite pro-Laurel): Arrow Season 3 Episode 10 Review: Left Behind by Carissa Pavlica at January 21, 2015 10:18 pm. Updated at January 21, 2015 10:17 pm. http://www.tvfanatic.com/2015/01/arrow-season-3-episode-10-review-left-behind/

I think the EPs make the same mistake when they try to excuse Oliver's absence from present day in these next few eps by saying that Oliver will be in them in flashbacks. The mistake? They think fans are only interested in seeing the actors on the screen. They underestimate the fans, who quite clearly distinguish between the actors and the TV characters they play. So the EPs apparently think that as long as CL or SA appears in the episode, albeit as a hallucination or flashback or whatever, fans will be happy. Fans are interested in the characters that they've invested time into watching - and the EPs killed off Sara and sidelined Oliver.

Summary of the whole Twitter fight as reported by the L.A. Times... When supermodels attack: Chrissy Teigen takes on Katie Cassidy of 'Arrow' January 20, 2015 5:02 PM http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/gossip/la-et-mg-katie-cassidy-chrissy-teigen-twitter-feud-erin-andrews-stephen-amell-20150120-story.html Also reported by EW (who says that KC has "a recurring role" on Arrow)... NEWS/ Katie Cassidy Goes on a Twitter Rant About Erin Andrews (and Now Chrissy Teigen Is Involved) by FRANCESCA BACARDI Tue., Jan. 20, 2015 11:12 AM PST http://www.eonline.com/news/616437/katie-cassidy-goes-on-a-twitter-rant-about-erin-andrews-and-now-chrissy-teigen-is-involved

I wonder if Oliver's headstone is still standing in the cemetery - like Sara's headstone apparently still was, even after 7 years and her 'welcome home' party... http://www.avclub.com/article/oliver-queen-dead-long-live-oliver-queen-214122 By the way, the writer of that article is kinda snarky (I like it!):

This website, The Outhousers, takes a look at the comic references and Easter eggs in each episode of Arrow (if you like this sort of thing)... Arrow Annotations http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/staff/find/tag/arrow_annotations.html

I really think the quality of the storytelling has gone down on Arrow this season. And I still think the reason is that the EPs are spread too thin - and what TV time they do have is devoted more to The Flash. Let's look at the EPs' current projects (that we know of): Marc Guggenheim - Arrow (TV show), Arrow Season 2.5 (companion digital comics), Vixen (animated online series), and Daredevil #15.1 (comics). Andrew Kreisberg - The Flash (TV show), The Flash Season Zero (companion digital comics), Green Arrow (comics), and 2015 Oscars (writer). Greg Berlanti - Arrow (TV show), The Flash (TV show), The Mysteries of Laura (TV show), Supergirl (TV show), 2015 Oscars (head writer), and Pan (2015 movie, in post-production). During the Sept. 6, 2014 Paleyfest Fall TV Previews panel, AK talked about when they were doing Ep. 14 of Season 1 of Arrow and were just getting the hang of writing for Arrow, then GB said that they should do a spin-off, and his reaction was: "Are you kidding? We can barely do one of these." He was right.

I think it's how you interpret the line "avenging her sister to honoring her sister to becoming her sister". When I first heard it, it sounded like a done deal - like Laurel first avenged Sara, then honored her and finally is becoming her. It would've been clearer if the line was "Laurel goes from seeking vengeance for her sister to honoring her sister to becoming her sister." As for the "I'm the justice that you can't run away from" line - I think it could work if said the right way by the right person and in the right context. However, as Danny Franks noted above, it's a problem when Laurel - an ADA - is essentially acting as judge, jury and executioner. Sure, there's sometimes clear cases where the obviously guilty bad guy goes free, so you might root for someone going vigilante and imposing street justice. But sometimes someone may appear guilty but actually be innocent. That's why we have a justice system set up to protect the innocent who's wrongfully accused (presumed innocent until proven guilty?), with a prosecutor, a defense lawyer, a judge and sometimes a jury. Oliver did the same thing in season 1 when he went after the bad guys on his father's list, but it was Team Arrow - specifically Felicity - who got him to stop and think about what he was doing (that episode where she tried to lock him in the Arrowcave because the bad guy he was going after had a kid). I wonder if Laurel's BC is actually going to kill any bad guys, or just beat them up (but what does that accomplish?), or try to capture them and leave them for the police? She's killed before with apparently no regrets, so it wouldn't be the first time.

Some of these pilots sound really interesting... 2015 Full SpoilerTV Pilot Watch Spreadsheet Posted by DarkUFO at Wednesday, January 21, 2015 http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/06/2015-full-spoilertv-pilot-watch.html

Article on SA's appearance on Jimmy Kimmel... Stephen Amell Talks Olicity on Jimmy Kimmel Live: Felicity is Slightly Unattainable and Oliver is Dead By Russ Burlingame 01/21/2015 http://comicbook.com/2015/01/21/stephen-amell-talks-olicity-on-jimmy-kimmel-live-felicity-is-sli/

Karl Yune tweeted four pics of him and Katrina Law on the set of "The Climb" - click on link below to see other pics: https://twitter.com/KarlYune

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Regarding KC's TCA statement that Laurel goes from "avenging her sister to honoring her sister to becoming her sister" -- I never understood that statement. Laurel never avenged her sister (and never searched for Sara's killer). Laurel never honored her sister because keeping Sara's death a secret, following Sara's path (which Sara would not have wanted) and taking on her identity is not exactly honoring her. And Laurel becoming her younger sister is just creepy. Anyway, MG seems to be backtracking on Laurel "becoming her sister" in this recent Tumblr posting:

I'm puttng this here because it's really about relationships and it's not spoilery... I had previously speculated in the Green Arrow in Comics thread that, in 10 years, Felicity might be considered the Lois Lane or Mary Jane for the Green Arrow. It looks like SA thinks the same way. From TV Line's interview with SA (posted in the Spoilers thread): SA really gets it. Oliver's relationship with Felicity has grown organically over the course of two-plus seasons, from temporary allies to trusted friends to equal partners to wannabe lovers. Both Laurel and Sara are past loves (I like how he equates them in Oliver's mind), but they never were Oliver's trusted friends first. For SA to say that Felicity has grown into this superhero's great love is saying a lot. Unfortunately, SA is not an EP of the show and does not dictate the course of the tv series. If the Arrow EPs make a drastic change on the relationship front next season, then SA will have to change his tune to conform to the company line.

To quote Dorothy Parker: "Men seldom make passes at girls who wear glasses." It's a classic Hollywood trope - wearing glasses and having pulled-back hair usually indicates the "plain Jane" (from Diana Prince in disguise in the old Wonder Woman tv show to Laney Biggs in She's All That, as mentioned by Danny Franks). By contrast, the "beautiful" girl usually wears no glasses and has long flowing hair around her face. That's why Felicity is such a refreshing change - she's a girl who wears glasses and has a pulled-back ponytail most of the time, but she's the love interest and not treated like the plain Jane. Sure she drops the glasses and lets her hair loose when she's glamorizing up to go undercover or go on a date, but it's not her everyday look. It's not like she permanently transforms like in the movies and never goes back to the glasses/ponytail look. She changes it up. The new sexy nerd look is in - just look at Dr. Cassandra Railly in 12 Monkeys: That's why the description for the new Supergirl tv show is disappointing. I thought we were past that old trope.

Laurel's Black Canary will do well because they'll use an amazing stunt double for most of the fighting. I don't think Laurel is going anywhere. MG's Tumblr responses make it clear that the EPs are planning on having her Black Canary train more with different fight trainers and get better and better over the course of several years. The Arrow EPs are riding high on the success of The Flash right now and probably have a lot of power at the CW Network. So I think they'll have a lot of say over their shows. Plus it's in their best interests to increase Laurel's popularity if they ever want a future BC or BOP spin-off in the future. I like SA but I didn't like this statement by him (in his TV Line interview): You can be a fan of the show and not like the story that has been told so far. Also, there's almost an implication that you'll continue watching (the upcoming trilogy) if you're a fan of the show. I actually think Ep. 3x10 will do quite well, ratings-wise, and that the EPs will consider that vindication that they're going in the right direction. Regarding the discussion above about Slade Wilson coming after Felicity or Laurel again because he thinks one or the other is the one that Oliver loves (from the events in "Unthinkable"). I think he'd come after Felicity for no other reason than she was the one who jabbed him with the hypodermic needle and made it possible for Oliver to defeat him.

Arrow's Stephen Amell Talks Olicity and Oliver Queen's Health Status on Jimmy Kimmel Stephen Amell outside Jimmy Kimmel Live @amellywood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzaqthQoxTI Arrow actor Stephen Amell thrills fans but has no idea how to get into Jimmy Kimmel live

I was a huge X-Files fan but, to me, without both Mulder and Scully, it wasn't the same show. Speaking of The X-Files... David Duchovny on Board with The X-Files Revival SUPERHEROHYPE JAN 20, 2015 http://www.superherohype.com/news/327421-david-duchovny-on-board-with-the-x-files-revival

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The Justice League Movie May Have A Big Problem That Needs To Be Fixed BY NICK ROMANO 2 HOURS AGO http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Justice-League-Movie-May-Have-Big-Problem-Needs-Fixed-69272.html