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Another WonderCon recap where MG says that if Legends didn't happen, they would've "hopefully" continued Sara's and Ray's stories on Arrow...
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Warning - these two articles contain LoT spoilers (also include Arrow mentions)... 'Legends of Tomorrow': 20 Things We Learned from the Cast & EP at Wondercon BY CHRISTINA RADISH 1 HOUR AGO http://collider.com/legends-of-tomorrow-wondercon-2016-interview/ 'Legends Of Tomorrow' Cast: The Dead Will Rise? EP Teases Hawkman & Heat Waves Futures At WonderCon [VIDEO] By Vanessa Frith, EnStars on Mar 27, 2016 11:22 PM EDT http://www.enstarz.com/articles/150668/20160327/legends-of-tomorrow-cast-the-dead-will-rise-ep-teases-hawkman-heat-waves-futures-at-wondercon-video.htm
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Here's something to think about... I just posted a recap of the LoT panel at WonderCon in the Mind Your Surroundings thread. Apparently MG said that if LoT had not gone forward, both Sara Lance (CL) and Ray Palmer (BR) would've returned to Arrow.
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From the LoT panel at WonderCon on Mar. 27 (you may want to read the entire articles)... WONDERCON: "DC'S LEGENDS OF TOMORROW" CAST AND EP TEASE WHAT'S TO COME IN SEASON 1 Albert Ching 18 hours ago | Updated: 16 hours ago http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/wondercon-dcs-legends-of-tomorrow-cast-and-ep-tease-whats-to-come-in-season-1 Looking Back (And Forward) At Legends Of Tomorrow At WonderCon Posted March 28, 2016 by Erik Amaya http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/03/28/looking-back-and-forward-at-legends-of-tomorrow-at-wondercon/
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Spoilers and Speculation
tv echo replied to Pete Martell's topic in The Walking Dead Franchise Shows
Spoiler Room: Scoop on The Flash, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Walking Dead, and more BY NATALIE ABRAMS • March 25 2016 — 12:49 PM EDT http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/25/spoiler-room-flash-agents-shield-walking-dead-spoilers?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+entertainmentweekly%2Ftv%2Fcoverage+(Entertainment+Weekly%2FEW.com%27s%3A+TV) -
Clearance Level 10: The Spoiler Thread
tv echo replied to Cranberry's topic in Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Spoiler Room: Scoop on The Flash, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Walking Dead, and more BY NATALIE ABRAMS • March 25 2016 — 12:49 PM EDT http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/25/spoiler-room-flash-agents-shield-walking-dead-spoilers?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+entertainmentweekly%2Ftv%2Fcoverage+(Entertainment+Weekly%2FEW.com%27s%3A+TV) -
I saw BvS this weekend. Incidentally, one of the previews before the movie was for TMNT2. There was one shot of SA saying, "Hi, I'm Casey Jones." And I heard someone in my movie audience gasp (as if recognizing him from Arrow). I have to say, SA looks pretty good on the big screen. Now back to BvS (fyi, I never read the comics or know anything about the comics other than what I've learned from watching superhero tv/movies and visiting this Arrow forum)... Surprise - I liked the movie overall and thought that it was not as bad as the negative reviews claimed. Yes, it had some major problems (discussed below) - and the typical Zack Snyder fight sequences featuring tons of destruction, smog, rubble and explosions got tiring and repetitive after awhile (plus a pretentious soundtrack) - but overall it was decent entertainment and nicely set up the upcoming Justice League movies. If you had asked me before which of the two superheroes I preferred, I would've said Batman because I prefer heroes who are human and acquire their skills through hard work and ingenuity, rather than genetics or accident (with the exception of Steve Rogers). But after watching BvS, I am firmly on Team Superman. To set up the contrived conflict between the two superheroes, they had to both act somewhat irrationally. However, Bruce Wayne came across worse - like an arrogant asshole and hypocrite. I couldn't stand him in the movie and kept wishing that Superman would just crush Batman. In terms of acting, no matter what anyone says, I preferred Henry Cavill to Ben Affleck. I actually saw a range of emotions expressed by Clark Kent, whereas Bruce Wayne pretty much maintained this stern, locked jaw expression throughout the entire movie (as if to say, 'look, I'm serious Batman'). I suppose that's actually a good thing because whenever Ben Afflect smiles, he gives off a smarmy, weak-willed vibe (all my opinion, of course). However, the worst actor by far in this movie was Jesse Eisenberg, who turned Lex Luthor into this cartoony, 2-D character who seemed out of place in this super serious movie. Yes, a character can be quirky and crazy in a serious movie, but it must be done well. Contrast that with Heath Ledger, who wore clown make-up and played a freaky character in The Dark Knight, and yet still managed to portray a Joker with depth, dimension and pathos. I really liked Amy Adams as Lois Lane and thought that she and Henry Cavill had nice chemistry together. My thoughts on Gal Gadot are below. Now to the biggest problems, as well as the biggest saves, of BvS [MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD]... TWO BIGGEST PROBLEMS: TWO BIGGEST SAVES: NICE USE OF COINCIDENCE:
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ThreeIfBySpace reviewer gave 416 a score of 8 out of 10 (episode "had its fair share of fun, intense, and memorable moments, but it almost could have been two completely separate episodes")... Arrow 416 Review: “Broken Hearts” Declares War on Love (and Darhk) By: Alisha Bjorklund March 25, 2016 http://www.threeifbyspace.net/2016/03/arrow-416-review-broken-hearts-declares-war-love-darhk/
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Arrow Season 4: 14 WTF Moments From ‘Broken Hearts’ Andrew Pollard 26 Mar 2016 http://whatculture.com/tv/arrow-season-4-14-wtf-moments-from-broken-hearts.php
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From the DC Rebirth press event at WonderCon on Mar. 26... WONDERCON: DC COMICS REVEALS "REBIRTH" CREATIVE TEAMS, MORE NEW DETAILS Sat, March 26th, 2016 at 9:34am PST | Updated: March 26th, 2016 at 2:07pm http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/wondercon-dc-comics-reveals-rebirth-creative-teams-more-new-details #DCRebirth – Green Arrow By Ben Percy And Otto Schmidt Posted March 26, 2016 by Rich Johnston http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/03/26/dcrebirth-green-arrow-by-ben-percy-and-otto-schmidt/ Watch The DC Comics Rebirth Announcements At Wondercon Here. Updating Live… (DELAYED) Posted March 26, 2016 by Rich Johnston http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/03/26/watch-the-dc-comics-rebirth-announcements-at-wondercon-here-updating-live/
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Jessica Breaux' review of 416 (thought the episode was "ok") - for once, I disagree with Jessica - Arrow is about Oliver changing, from pre-island Ollie to dark Oliver, and now toward a more balanced Oliver; most people you date wouldn't have gone through such extreme character evolutions... Arrow “Broken Hearts” Review (Season 4, Episode 16) Jessica Breaux March 25, 2016 http://www.tvequals.com/2016/03/25/arrow-broken-hearts-review-season-4-episode-16/
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It's Oliver vs. Felicity in Round 4 (final round of regional voting, 4 regions) of Comics Should Be Good 2016 March Madness... DC/Marvel Character Tourney – Culver Institute Region, Final Round by Brian Cronin | March 27, 2016 @ 5:13 AM http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2016/03/27/dcmarvel-character-tourney-culver-institute-region-final-round/
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Another one of Laura Hurley's Devil's Advocate articles (you can almost hear the sarcasm)... Devil’s Advocate #7: Why The Oliver/Felicity Breakup Has Paved The Way For An Oliver/Laurel Reunion Laura Hurley Mar 27, 2016 5:18 pm http://laurawritesabout.tumblr.com/post/141798619986/devils-advocate-7-why-the-oliverfelicity
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Clicking on this link takes me to the Zap2It.com home page for some reason, so I'm re-posting the direct link here... Zap2it Social Media Showdown 2016 Final Round: Jensen Ackles v Emily Bett Rickards BY MANNIE HOLMES AT 07:03 AM ON MAR 26, 2016 http://zap2it.com/2016/03/zap2it-social-media-showdown-2016-final-round-jensen-ackles-emily-bett-rickards/
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Pics of SA at WonderCon this past weekend (promoting TMNT2 with Megan Fox)... STEPHEN AMELL AND MEGAN FOX AT WONDERCON 2016 NEW SHOTS Published on Mar 28, 2016, by prince mojo
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L.A. Times' so-so review of 416... Shot through the heart, and you're to blame: 'Arrow's' 'Broken Hearts' is kinda lame James Queally MARCH 25, 2016, 1:48 PM http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-arrow-broken-hearts-recap-20160323-story.html
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From Mar. 25 at Salt Lake Comic Con FanXperience... Paul Blackthorne & Charlotte Ross - FANX16 - Full Panel Published on Mar 27, 2016, by OlicityIBelieve
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After reading some media reviews, I wanted to express my thoughts on two things - why Felicity broke up with Oliver when she knew what he was like going into the relationship, and why Felicity had to quit Team Arrow... First, I think that Felicity's expectations of Oliver changed from last season because her relationship and experiences with him changed. One's tolerance for someone keeping secrets from you varies depending on the nature of your relationship with that person (how close are they to you?) and the type of secret (white lie or life-changing info?). Before, even though they loved each other, Felicity's relationship with Oliver was still that of close friend and crime fighting partner. This season, her relationship with him was that of fiance/would-be spouse. She deserved more trust and honesty. I'm sure that Diggle & Lyla share secrets with each other that Diggle would not tell Oliver. In addition, the nature of Oliver's secret was not a white lie or something necessary in order to save lives. (And no, I don't think it was necessary to keep William safe.) Even the best relationships have secrets, even if it's something as minor as a surprise birthday party. Oliver's son was not a little secret. As others have said, he would've married her without telling her that she was becoming a stepmother (something with emotional, legal and financial ramifications), with someone else important being in their lives for the rest of their lives. The motive is also important. Last season, she forgave Oliver for keeping secret from her his plotting with Malcolm because, wrong-headed as he was, Oliver was trying to save first Thea and then Starling City. This season, although Oliver (and MG) said that he had to keep his son secret from even her in order to see his son and protect his son, she knows full well that that's not the truth. She now knows him better than anyone else on earth. He could've told her in confidence and, unless Samantha was omnipotent or psychic, she would never know that he told Felicity. Instead, Oliver chose to be honest with Samantha and deceitful with Felicity, rather than vice versa. Felicity knows the real reason that he kept William a secret from her is because he still doesn't fully trust her or anyone - and unless he changes, he never will - and that is not the basis for a satisfying intimate relationship, let alone a marriage. Yes, she knows that he's a work in progress, but she thought they were beyond this level of major secret-keeping, after their shared experiences of the past 10 months, and maybe she thinks he's hit a wall in terms of what he's willing or able to change. She just knows that if she gives him a pass on this, it will happen again - and again. Second, I think that Felicity had to quit the team because, again, her experiences and relationship with Oliver had changed. Yes, she wants to be part of the team's mission and has never let her relationship with Oliver stop her before. However, last season when she stayed on the team despite the tension with Oliver, they had not progressed beyond a kiss. And when she helped the team during the summer hiatus, she was in sync with Oliver and the rest of the team. Now, she's spent the past 10 months living and sleeping with Oliver on a daily basis. And she's still in love with him. I would think it would be incredibly painful to continue spending nights in the Arrowcave when she's no longer 'with him'. I mean, she's used to touching him whenever she wants. Also, I think she's afraid that she would be too easily tempted into just giving in and going back to him, with nothing changing, if she was exposed to his full-on heart eyes and charm on a daily basis. I don't think she's abandoned the team completely. Presumably she's still funding the team and still owns the building that the Arrowcave is housed in. Likely, she'll still be available to help them when needed - like when she remotely helped them when she was paralyzed and recovering at home. If any of them calls her for help, I'm sure she'll help. She just doesn't want to spend night after night in the Arrowcave with Oliver right now.
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The episode descriptions in the TV Guide and elsewhere made it clear that it was a fake wedding (to be bait for Cupid). Also, if I recall correctly, the first Cupid episode (last season) had low ratings.
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Side-by-side comparison (just for fun)... EBR as bride in in Nickelback's "Never Gonna be Alone" music video (Nov. 11, 2009): (courtesy of Roadrunner Records) EBR as bride in Arrow 416: Broken Hearts (Mar. 23, 2016): (courtesy of Olicity Queen)
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More video clips of PB and CR at Salt Lake Comic Con FanXperience today... Entering the panel room: https://twitter.com/Olicityibelieve/status/713412051943575552 PB reads text from JB: https://twitter.com/Olicityibelieve/status/713428201062555648 PB says "it's a treat working with" CR: https://twitter.com/Olicityibelieve/status/713429403653378048 https://twitter.com/dgct2/status/713433839729676290
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SA will be at WonderCon (in L.A.) today to promote TMNT2... https://www.facebook.com/stephenamell/videos/1024485904303343/
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SA survived to the Final Round and is now up against Sam Heughan(!) - polls close on Monday, March 28 at 5 p.m. PT... Alpha Male Madness 2016: Sam Heughan or Stephen Amell? Vote in the Final Round! by LAUREN PIESTER Fri, Mar 25, 2016 3:00 PM http://www.eonline.com/news/751542/alpha-male-madness-2016-sam-heughan-or-stephen-amell-vote-in-the-final-round
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We don't know for sure-for sure that Calculator is returning this season. But Echo Kellum apparently said in a post-416 Arrow Aftershow something like, "The Calculator might be big on the show soon, oh boy." There's also a BTS pic posted by PB on instagram that shows EBR getting her hair styled, with someone who looks like Tom Amandes in the background, but we don't know if it's a new pic or an old pic (from previous filming). Also, for what it's worth (probably nothing), Tom Amandes' IMDB page lists 421 and 422 among his Arrow credits.