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A.V. Club's review of 418 - reviewer thinks this was a "mostly very good episode" (he also doubts that Laurel is really dead)... Wait, what the hell did Arrow just do? By Alasdair Wilkins Apr 6, 2016 8:50 PM http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/wait-what-hell-did-arrow-just-do-234924

Arrow Episode XVIII: A New Hope Next season - Bratva! A new hope for relevant flashbacks. Taiana: If I don't make it off this island, you will go to Russia and find my parents and tell them what happened to me and Vlad. If you don't make it, I will find this Laurel and tell her how you saved us all. Deal? Oliver: Deal. And Poppy Deathwatch in 3...2...1. Arrow Episode XVIII: The Darhk Strikes Back If Damien Darhk knew that Laurel was the BC, then his wife Ruve must've known it as well when she offered Laurel the D.A. job. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer? Now that would've made an interesting Laurel storyline in S5 - D.A. Lance and Mayor Adams playing cat-and-mouse games with each other. Laurel is fatally stabbed by Darhk - not while heroically fighting or saving someone - but while frozen and acting as the passive receptacle of one man's revenge against another man's betrayal. Moreover, she's stabbed with Oliver's arrow. That's cruelly poetic. Andy's sudden but inevitable betrayal was such a surprise... said no one. Arrow Episode XVIII: Return of the Photo Laurel's photo returns in full force! Oliver: Listen. Reiter's men outnumber us. We have guns, but so do they, so when we get up there, we cannot hesitate to kill, do you understand? Taiana? Taiana: Just months ago, I was a dive instructor. Couldn't dream of taking a life. I wouldn't. This place truly is Hell. It makes monsters of us all. Oliver: Who's in the photo? Taiana: Me and my brother. I forget sometimes that we were once this happy and this innocent. Oliver: When I first got here, I used to look at a photo from my past. It helped for a time, reminded me of the person that I used to be, but I'm telling you now that that person wouldn't survive here, and you won't either if you stay focused on the past. Do you understand? Taiana: How do you know how to do this, to bury a man alive? You were right how this island changed you. Do you still look at your picture? She's beautiful. Who is she? Oliver: Her name is Laurel Lance, and she was my home before this. I don't know what she'll think of the man I've become. Oliver: You kept this? (Holding up old photo of Laurel that he had on the island) Laurel: Yeah. Just a little reminder of when things were simpler for us - the way we used to be. I'm really glad that you found Felicity, and I hope you find your way back to her. And, Ollie, I know that I am not the love of your life... but you will always be the love of mine. Oliver: Why are you telling me this? Why now? Laurel: Because tonight it was just a reminder that... anything can happen, which why I need you to promise me something. Laurel's photo has symbolic meaning for both Oliver and Laurel. For flashback Oliver, it represented his past, pre-island self and his past, pre-island "home". For Laurel, it represented a past time when she and Ollie were a couple and he loved her, and when things were simpler. (My head canon says that she's referring also to a time when she only worried about law school, Sara had not died, and her parents were still together. My head canon also says that Laurel senses that she's going to die.) It's sad and heartbreaking because he moved on, but she apparently did not. Holding on to the photo reminded her that there was a time when she was the one for him.* (* I guess jbuffyangel was wrong about Sara being the love of Laurel's life. Also, poor Tommy.) I think Oliver held onto the photo while he was away as a way of holding onto his humanity (a battle which he eventually lost). When he returned to Starling City, he returned the photo to Laurel because he didn't need it any more (it was too late, and he was an emotionless robot). Deleted Scenes From the promo - Laurel tells Oliver that he knows better than to come between two siblings. The director probably decided to omit any mention of their toxic, sister-swapping past in the aired episode. From the synopsis - Felicity and Curtis have a heart-to-heart talk. https://twitter.com/ARROWwriters/status/717914777993891844

MG's response to KC's tweet... https://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/717950540538204160

Hollywood Reporter's post-mortem interview with MG (spoilery portion will be quoted in the Spoilers thread)... 'Arrow' Boss Explains Grave Shocker: "We Knew That It Would Enrage a Lot of People" APRIL 06, 2016 6:00pm PT by Sydney Bucksbaum http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/arrow-laurel-dies-katie-cassidy-881297

'Arrow' Poll: Will Felicity Make a Good CEO? Wednesday, April 06, 2016 Derek Stauffer http://www.buddytv.com/articles/arrow/arrow-will-felicity-make-a-goo-59503.aspx

Interesting perspective (but I don't agree with everything said) - right now, the poll results are evenly split (50-50)... 'Arrow' Poll: Can Curtis Really Replace Felicity on Team Arrow? Tuesday, April 05, 2016 Derek Stauffer http://www.buddytv.com/articles/arrow/arrow-can-curtis-really-replac-59492.aspx

Most of the cast just provide voices over the phone (EBR is Caitlin's voice)... Axis (2017) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4971346/ AXIS by Aisha Tyler - Kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/axisfilm/axis EBR's tweet: https://twitter.com/EmilyBett/status/717745577102942208 Award Winning Actor/Writer Emmett Hughes (The O'Briens) Set To Write And Star In Los Angeles Thriller "AXIS" http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/award-winning-actorwriter-emmett-hughes-the-obriens-set-to-write-and-star-in-los-angeles-thriller-axis-522778341.html

Just a reminder - this TV Guide/TV Insider poll for TV"s Hottest Couple ends April 11 (Olicity is a nominee)... http://www.tvinsider.com/article/80656/poll-tvs-hottest-couple/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tvi ETA: This poll has already closed even though it's not April 11.

I think the key part of MG's comments is that this show is their version and their interpretation of the "Green Arrow mythos" and that they don't feel obligated to follow any one of the various comics versions of the Green Arrow story.

A GB quote in an article about Shakespeare... 400 years after his death, William Shakespeare has kept his cool By Neal JustinAssociated Press Monday, April 4 2016 12:00 p.m. MDT http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765685423/400-years-after-his-death-William-Shakespeare-has-kept-his-cool.html?pg=all

L.A. Times critic speculates on who's in the grave - he considers Curtis, Donna and Laurel to be long shots; instead, he believes the better bets are Quentin and Thea, and finally puts the bullseye on Diggle (no spoilers)... Who's in the box? Gambling odds on which 'Arrow' character buys the farm this week By James Queally APRIL 5, 2016, 11:21 AM http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-arrow-whos-gonna-die-preview-20160401-snap-htmlstory.html

From the IGN article (page 34 of Spoilers thread): Remember that TVLine interview from some time ago when WM said that Laurel will struggle with her dual identity as a secret vigilante (Black Canary) and being an ADA? (TVLine article, page 19 of Spoilers thread) What if part of the heartbreaking aspect of Laurel's death is that shortly before it happens, she has a talk with her father and decides that, for her father's sake, after she helps the team take down Darhk, she's going to give up being the Black Canary and focus on using her lawyer skills to fight crime? Maybe the job offer from the new mayor is being the city's chief legal counsel (City Attorney General).

Probably for 422, which has shoot dates of March 30 - April 8. Also, I believe Donna is in 422, since she tweeted a pic of herself with EK on April 4.

Although I mostly quoted the Arrow parts, this entire article (from TBI Vision) is interesting... Superheroic acts by Jesse Whittock April 5, 2016 http://tbivision.com/highlight/2016/04/superheroic-acts/571552/

Another review of 417 - no comment... Arrow season 4 episode 17 review: Beacon Of Hope Caroline Preece 5 Apr 2016 - 13:30 http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/arrow/39689/arrow-season-4-episode-17-review-beacon-of-hope

https://twitter.com/JimmyAkingbola/status/717127368947552256

Good for her... ‘Shooter’: Cynthia Addai-Robinson Lands Female Lead Of USA Series In Recasting by Nellie Andreeva • March 29, 2016 1:15pm http://deadline.com/2016/03/shooter-cynthia-addai-robinson-cast-usa-series-recasting-1201728115/

PB is also shooting a movie... https://twitter.com/PaulBlackthorne/status/717051346403385344 Daisy Winters (2016) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3702088/

https://twitter.com/ARROWwriters/status/717139249133301762 https://twitter.com/ARROWwriters/status/717139635206377472

In that EW interview, MG mentioned that they didn't expect "the reaction to the grave to be as profound or as scintillating as it turned out to be" because they've killed off a character every season and therefore viewers should know that someone was likely to die in S4. MG added: "The big surprise would be, in season 5, if we didn’t kill anybody." Given the precedent, I wonder who will die in S5? Assuming Laurel is in the grave (yes, I still have a 1% doubt that the EPs will surprise us), I love or like all of the remaining cast members.

I came across Dancing with the Stars (which I've watched off and on over the years) the other night -- and was blown away by watching Nyle DiMarco dance! He's a completely deaf contestant and has to learn to dance from his pro partner, Peta, by getting visual cues from her and just memorizing the steps. Amazing (found this video on youtube)... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp4sCE5Amxk

Thanks for the link to that 2012 interview with MG. I didn't follow the show that closely in the beginning. I find MG's comments back then really interesting - considering how often I read complaints that Arrow has "turned into a soap opera" and needs to get back to "what made the show good" in S1. I hope that Felicity rejoins the team and also remains head of Palmer Tech (hopefully, renamed sometime soon). I guess she's like Pepper Potts now. I think the company's being on the edge of cutting technology will open up new storylines in the future.

I guess not many Arrow fans voted in this poll - SA's Green Arrow lost last round to Adam West's Batman (52% to 48%)! So the final round matchup is Adam West's Batman vs. GG's Flash... Comics Should Be Good 2016 March Madness: Final Round by Brian Cronin | April 4, 2016 @ 5:00 AM http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2016/04/04/comics-should-be-good-2016-march-madness-final-round/

EK's reaction to his promotion to series regular in S5... https://twitter.com/EchoK/status/717077236596117504

TV Fanatic round table discussion of 4x17... Arrow Round Table: Andy, the Disappointing Diggle Carissa Pavlica at April 4, 2016 1:00 pm. http://www.tvfanatic.com/2016/04/arrow-round-table-andy-the-disappointing-diggle/