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I wonder if this is what made him "throw up his hands in frustration" and it's actually nothing to do with Peter's season. I like Madi, but I would kind of love it if in the end, Peter ends up with Hannah B. Steve has been so adamant that it is never happening, and he's kind of made fun of those that still believe it could, that it would be AMAZING if it did.

If I recall, Eve has a sister that went missing and has never been found. I suspect that's the girl in the box.

I don't think he actually shared anything, which is making people frustrated with him. He is teasing that he has this new information, but he won't share what it is.

Has anyone listened to Reality Steve's most recent podcast? He says he received some news last night, which, if true about this season, will just make him throw up his hands in frustration. Very interesting.... He says he will confirm it and share it if he can, but, if he can't, he'll reveal it at the end of the show no matter what.

I just watched Roses and Rose with Lauren, and she seems so angry at Madi. She is flat out mean. Why does what Madi do inspire so much anger in her? Was she angry at Colton? She ranted about her coming on the Bachelor and being unwilling to have sex m. She’s not the first. It was weird man. Chris did defend Madi’s faith and choice and Peter has been very supportive and said that she did exactly what he asked them all to do - she told him how she felt and what matters to her. Lauren’s vitriol was WEIRD. Taken with her deleted tweet that asked how in the world Peter doesn’t choose Hannah Ann, and it seems like she is truly angry that he is with or wants Madison. That’s so strange to me. She tried to explaining deleting that tweet but it was a joke of an excuse.

I think part of the difficulty having a conversation is that they are hyper aware of the cameras and they are bound by what they are and aren't supposed to say. If you say the wrong thing, then it is immortalized in a million different ways for people to replay forever. The pressure must be immense.

He specifically said, "Please don't leave" and "I can't lose you." To me, that was begging her specifically, but I get your point. Chris Harrison is right. Peter is so afraid of making the wrong decision that he can't make one at all. Hannah too was so afraid of picking the wrong guy that her fear dictated her choices and her worst nightmare came true. I think that will happen with Peter too. He's so afraid of ending up alone and that's exactly what's going to happen.

Thank you for this because that website is the absolute worst and is currently down. I think, based on those spoilers and the clips from last night, that he might actually try with Hannah Ann and then that clip of him apologizing is him realizing he wants to be with Madi and dumping her.

I think this is what happened. She told him BEFORE the fantasy suites that she couldn't see herself moving forward with someone that slept with another girl. Perfectly normal. Not every lead sleeps with all the finalists. He had a choice. She didn't demand that he not do it. She explained to him how she felt. The bachelor RIGHT BEFORE Peter didn't do it. Nick didn't do it. Sean didn't do it. It's not an unreasonable thing to ask. Just because most contestants say they are okay with it, it doesn't mean that they are. In fact, many of the couples break up BECAUSE the lead slept with others. Nick has said he specifically didn't sleep with anyone but Vanessa because he didn't want there to be issues at the end. Peter had a choice to make. He knew how she felt, and he slept with someone else anyway. I don't think he took her seriously. He's too caught up in his own hype.

He better pick Madison after he BEGGED her to stay and said "I cannot lose you." At the very least, he should respect her enough to cut her if he isn't going to pick her. If he picks someone else, I don't see how they recover from him begging her to stay

From what I can remember, Colton and Cassie just said they were no longer going to talk about their sex lives. They just stopped discussing it.

I disagree with the idea that someone can't come on this show and not have sex. Many people have done it. In fact, the very last bachelor before Peter did it. There have been several leads that did not sleep with anyone other than their final 1. It's possible. The fact that it doesn't happen often doesn't mean that it shouldn't happen more than it does. He knew her boundaries and he violated them. Honestly, I don't know how you ever move past that. If he really loved her like he says he does, he wouldn't want to sleep with someone else.

Apparently, Hannah Ann posted on IG last night that she is moving to LA next week. Reality Steve discussed it in his most recent podcast. While some think this is proof that she wins, he thinks it's the exact opposite. She would never post that if she were the winner. She has had several posts this season that have made it seem like she is trying very hard to imply that she is the winner. She posted a picture of her playing golf the same day Peter did. She posted a picture of her on an island the same that Peter did, with the same caption, even though it was easily seen that they were in different places. Now this. Peter lives in L.A. She's either the worst secret keeper in the world, or she is trying to imply that she won. Also, if Peter picks Madison, she dumps him, and she's announced as the next Bachelorette on the ATFR, I cannot imaginw how painful and awkward that will be for Peter. It might actually be the most dramatic ATFR ever.

I think he chose Madison, and so does Reality Steve, but the rumor is that as she watches the season, she, like many past "winners" is upset with his behavior with the other women. They are supposedly very rocky right now. I wouldn't be surprised if she calls it off. According to Steve, Peter cuts Victoria after the fantasy suites.

Steve thinks Madison may be getting the Bachelorette edit now. He didn't think so at first, but he says he's starting to see it.

She does, according to Reality Steve. He knows going into the FS that this is her line. According to RS, he chooses to violate it. In the scene where they are sitting down and she's telling him, I'm pretty sure she has on the same jumpsuit from the most recent rose ceremony. The other girls also know about it when they are living together during the FS time (which is gross and awkward) so I believe it does happen before the FS start. I wish I knew if Peter is wearing the same clothes from the time she tells him (possibly at the rose ceremony) and when he says he was intimate with someone six days prior. If so, that backs up Evan Bass's theory that Peter has already slept with Victoria, maybe when she came to his hotel room to apologize.

She's been laughing at herself on social media. She realizes now how much she says it. If you notice, when she's talking with her family, she doesn't do it. I suspect it's something that happens when she's nervous.

He said that the wives of the men that slept with her have begged him not to release their names. They have children and don't want to be dragged into it. I think he's making the right decision there. Those women and their families did not ask for any of this.

Her social media reveals a pretty fun personality. She posts Tik toks. She’s a great dancer. She’s much more interesting than they are showing. She’s getting a very bland edit.

My understanding is that some of them do in fact have kids. It's horrible.

I would believe someone from my real life that I trusted and had known longer than two months and had spent more than 3 total days with. He had to ask. He can't move forward without discussing it with her. Now, should he have waited until after the dinner? Maybe. Who knows if production allowed it or not.

The main difference between Madi and Luke is that she tells him BEFORE he goes to the fantasy suites, not after. He is informed of her wishes and he gets to decide if he wants to honor them or not. Luke told Hannah B. after she had already been on a fantasy suite. It's also in the delivery, and, I suspect that Madi's delivery will be much different than Luke's. He also backtracked once he realized she had slept with someone else. I don't think Madi does that.

Evan Bass had a really interesting tweet. He thinks Peter and Victoria have ALREADY had sex, and that is why Peter keeps her around. That would also make more sense with the clip of Peter saying he was intimate with someone "six days prior to this." Could that be after their talk but before the Fantasy Suite dates? She tells him she's a virgin, and if that he sleeps with someone else it will hurt her, but it's already too late, because he's already slept with Victoria? Now that would be dramatic.

I've been thinking about this. I wonder if the thing Chris Harrison is there to tell Peter before the FR ceremony is that his parents are there to talk to him. Maybe he's decided to propose to HA and his mom talks him out of it... and convinces him to go after Madison. That would be dramatic.

He travels so much. I think that's the reasoning behind it.