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From what I recall, they had not kissed.

I saw a clip of her saying she was so excited it was Peter and that she was hoping it would be him. She's definitely aware of his past, but she probably hopes that if he loves her, he can wait, which he could if he did. But he probably won't.

I think part of Madison's approach may be "if it's meant to be, it will be." She did say something along those lines this past Monday. She probably believes that if she is meant to be with Peter that it will work out, and if it's not, then it will be okay too.

I've seen lots of people laughing at finasco. It has become part of the bachelor language much like befumbled.

I agree with this. Steve says that all of the footage and pictures taken from people that saw them on the day portion of Victoria's hometown said they were all over each other. He dumps her when he finds out about her homewrecking, but then lets her come back long enough to have sex with her and then dumps her again. It's gross.

Madison is making fun of herself on Twitter for how many times she said "like." I like that she can laugh at herself.

Reality Steve has more information up today. He shared that Madison tells Peter before overnights that she is a virgin and that she would have a hard time moving forward with him if he sleeps with anyone else. So, he knows going into overnights how she feels. She then finds out through a group text with the other girls that he had sex with at least one of them. She then leaves the show. She was filming something yesterday. Steve thinks that she is with Peter now, but they are not engaged. I just can't see how they ever make it given that she explained to him how she felt and he went ahead and slept with someone else anyway. I don't know how you ever get over that.

He writes about other shows too, but none of them get the publicity that his spoilers on the Bachelor/Bachelorette get.

I have always said that it makes sense to not get engaged to someone that just slept with someone else. All the way back to when Emily was pissed at Brad and Nick confronted Andi in ATFR. I know that it’s what you sign up for, and the show isn’t reality, but they also stress being there “for the right reasons.” No actual right reasons person is going to be okay with their almost fiancé sleeping with someone else possibly the day before they get engaged. That said, it’s all in how you approach it, and I think Luke handled it poorly with Hannah. Any contestant with this issue can say, “for ME, this is a line” without shaming or seemingly telling the lead what he/she can’t do. That’s where Luke went off the rails.

I agree. It doesn't stop me from watching. I'm just a little surprised that they are willing to admit how much he gets under their skin.

He's better than me. I would enjoy spoiling the seasons, especially when they brag that it can't be done. They've been very open this season that they believe he ruins the season when he does it.

I also read an article where Robert (the producer?) bragged that less than 50 people know the ending to this season. To me, it seems he is baiting Reality Steve. The more he brags, the more likely it is that it's going to be spoiled, IME.

I think it's her too. She seems the person most likely to say that, although given her stance on virginity, "the things that you are doing with me" surprises me since it's so public. I'm not surprised that virgins mess around, but being on national television where the whole world knows what you're doing is something else.

Have we seen for sure that it is Madi that says he can't do what he's doing with her if he's doing it with other women too?

They always say this. If this is true, then why is he humping so many different women? See, I think it's statements like this that get them in trouble and doom their relationships post show. It happened to Brad. It happened to Andi Dorfman. It happened to Ben. (He's the one that told both of them that he loved them, right?) Andi said it was Josh from night 1. Then, Nick asked if that was true, then why did she sleep with him? I think that was Emily's issue with Brad as well. It was pretty clear that he slept with his F2 despite telling Emily in the FS that he was falling in love with her. If the lead is truly falling in love with one person, and knowing the history of this show and knowing the issues making out with multiple people causes, then he or she would stop the sex with all the others. They never do though, and it always comes back to bite them in the end. I know it's the reality of the show, but it's not the reality of the real world and how one is supposed to behave in a real relationship. This applies for Hannah B. too.

I am so grossed out by how many of them he is making out with. He kissed 12 girls on the very first night. He's making out with them in front of each other. I get that dating a guy that is dating other girls is part of the show, but it hasn't ever been this bad, has it? I want to vomit at the thought of kissing some guy who just made out with three other people in front of me. I actually really like Madi, and I went to Auburn, so I am rooting for her, but I don't necessarily want her to win. I remember when many people didn't kiss until the fantasy suites, or say that they were falling in love until then. I think that's when Emily told Brad for the first time. They seemed like actual adults. This is like watching high school. I have taught high school, so I know. I do think he is terrified of being rejected, and I think he needs/wants someone to boss him around. That's why he fell so hard for Hannah B. She is very strong willed and says what she wants. Love her or hate her, she does what she wants. Also, any idea who the girl is that tells him if he is doing with other girls what he is doing with her, then it's over?

Has it been confirmed that there will be a season 2?

I don't watch Survivor, but I did read that he made the final 3 on his season, so maybe that was him! That reminds me of something Jed would do - sing at the reunion. Awkward.

Her upper lip no longer moves, and while I, in general, don't like to comment on actresses' appearances, it has affected her speech and it is majorly distracting to me.

I've only seen one of Victoria F's IG posts, but in it, she's throwing rose petals up and warning people to get ready for a wild ride. That seems contradictory to the persona on television.

YES! Bishop was an analyst that noticed patterns. She ate junk food like crazy and sat on the floor. She was unique. Now, she's just unbearably annoying. She really ruins the show for me. She's so angry and disrespectful to almost everyone around her. She's no Ziva, and that should be a good thing.

I don't think he's that good of an actor.

This is spoilery for sure, but an article on realitytvworld.com says that Steve has confirmed that Peter does not propose at the final rose ceremony. He may have gotten engaged since, or he may propose on the ATFR, but he does not propose to anyone at the last rose ceremony.

Amanda Stanton had to reveal her monthly income when her ex-husband sued to have his monthly child support payments reduced. At the time, Amanda was living with Josh Murray. She was making THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH and Josh was making 10,000 a month. Off of Instagram. That is absolutely insane. No wonder they all want that. It does eventually fade, but not if they are smart. The ones that have taken it to the next level have podcasts and it is now their full time job. Nick Viall appears to be the most successful male contestant to do this. Additionally, because of all of the exposure, some contestants go on to date, and even marry, real life celebrities. Lauren from Ben's season is now married to a country music singer, Chris Lane. Wells Adams is engaged to Sarah Hyland. Amanda was close to that with pro volleyball player Bobby Jacobs. Even Kelly from The Real World New Orleans married Scott Wolf. Jacinda became a famous actress. Kit Hoover from Road Rules hosts Access Live. Several have gotten their own HGTV shows. Vanessa, Nick's "winner" hosts Bachelorette viewing parties and gets paid. Many of them are on Cameo and get paid to send video messages. It's not your normal way to make money, for sure, but, if they are smart, they can make a lot of money that can last them for a long, long time. For every one that "makes it," there are ten that don't, but even if it is just local appearances, many of these contestants are making really good money. That is a really long way of saying every single person, including Peter, that goes on this show, is doing it for exposure and for the benefits that will come after if they receive a lot of attention. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar and that is who should be sent home.

There is a clip of him having a conversation with a woman where they are discussing if he has "been doing the same thing you're doing with me with other girls" and how whoever the woman is will be done if he has. Peter has tears in his eyes and admits that he has been "intimate with some of the other women" and he can't lie about it. I could be wrong about Madison's virginity being tied to her religion, but I don't think I am. Her bio is clear about how strong her faith is and how it plays such a huge part of her life. Her mission trips have been widely discussed. I too am from the South and Auburn and I am familiar with the belief system. She specifically says that she is looking for a man with the same values that she has. There is nothing wrong with either belief system. I'm just commenting on how I find it hard to believe that she both wants what she says she wants and that she convinces herself that he meets that definition. Given that the windmill was publicized so much, it is interesting that she chose to audition and meet Peter specifically. Peter has asked that the windmill stop being discussed so much because it is disrespectful to his potential girlfriend that he is with now, if he is actually with someone right now. He's vague but he did say something along the lines of how it would be hurtful and uncomfortable for her.