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I just saw a clip of Madi telling Peter that during the FS, he put his needs, wants, and feelings before hers. He tells her it is because she is the only one that he doesn't know how she feels and he thinks at that point, this close to the end, that he should know. It's from, I think, the day she meets his parents.

I think it's probably obvious to HA that Peter wants Madi, especially after conversation with his mother. When Barb focuses on not wanting someone who would change Peter, and having concerns, that's about Madi. That makes it clear that Peter wants Madi and his mother is concerned. HA is shown crying in the previews on the LCD. She wants him to want her because he wants her and not because there's no one else left. It's clear to her and EVERY PERSON INVOLVED that that is not the case. She even considers leaving before the FRC because she knows she isn't his first choice. Why she chooses to stay is beyond me. In all the other scenarios (Jason, Arie) the woman didn't know she wasn't first choice. If she knows Madi leaves and stays anyway, then UGH. If he sleeps with HA after the FRC and then dumps her to pursue Madi, he is beyond disgusting. I also think HA looks like she's ready to burn it down on ATFR. Her weird attitude on social media makes sense now.

Holy crap. Steve's updated spoilers are up. Peter's mom is talking about Hannah Ann. He doesn't cancel the FRC. Madi leaves. Chris tells him at FRC that HA is considering leaving too. She doesn't. Peter proposes to her and then dumps her when they get back to the states in order to pursue Madi. They are together but not solid. How she ever even took him back I have no idea. I don't see how they ever survive this. He proposed to another woman. And Hannah Ann. No wonder she seems so pissed. She was going to leave. She knew she wasn't his #1. He knew she knew it. He PROPOSES to her despite having doubts, and then he dumps her when they get back. He is officially the worst.

I can only assume that she stuck around because she thought it would get her the Bachelorette gig. She has seemed to stir the pot on social media all season long. I also think in some of those posts she seems a little bitter, particularly after Clare was announced. I can understand her bitterness though. He treated her poorly, she stuck around in hopes of a reward, and ended up with nothing. I have read that the producers didn't like her since she wouldn't cooperate after the whole champagne thing. It is weird to me how much Lauren Zima seems to be on her side and to be angry towards Madi.

There is a poster on reddit that is claiming to be a friend of the family. She says Madi was chosen as soon as they all returned to the U.S. in November. So, I guess he cancels the FRC and breaks up with HA as soon as they return to the U.S.?

Auburn is only about an hour and 45 minutes from Atlanta. Delta's largest hub is in Atlanta. There are a TON of Auburn alum that move to Atlanta after graduation. I was one of them. It wouldn't be hard for them to be together if they wanted to be.

Now, Steve is saying that his phone has been blowing up saying his post is wrong. His original source is still adamant that it's right, but now he says he doesn't know what to believe.

Supposedly, they are talking to Hannah B. about the summer games edition. I can't see her being a contestant again competing against other women. Has a former lead ever done anything like that? If I were her, I'd want to co-host, judge, or be a ref (of some sort).

Chris has talked about HA's backbone. Maybe she does tell Peter to go to hell. I hope so.

Someone replied to Reality Steve and pointed out that if the proposal was supposed to be a surprise to Madison, it won't be any longer. Whoops.

I don't even really like HA, but I want her to stand up for herself. I really don't want her to wait around while he sees if Madi will take him back. It makes me sad that HA is willing to accept that.

Steve's ending spoiler is up. He said he finally got confirmation of the ending. Madi self-eliminates. When Peter finds out, he wants to talk to her, but she has already left to go back to the U.S. He cancels the final rose ceremony and doesn't eliminate Hannah Ann either. He tells her that he can't pick either one until he talks to Madi. He chases Madi down in the U.S. and begs her for a chance. (Here is where Hannah Ann loses me. She should have dumped him RIGHT HERE. How would it feel to be with him knowing that he chased the other girl down and she said no.) He has to win Madi over and her family over, and Steve says it was NOT easy. He's been courting Madi and working to rebuild her trust all this time. He does end things with Hannah Ann because he wants to be with Madi. He and Madi are currently together but not engaged. He is supposedly going to propose on ATFR and has NO IDEA if she will accept him or not. Steve says that Peter has had to work extremely hard to win Madi's trust.

It also wasn't a one time mistake. Four times is on purpose. It's almost like it was a game to her.

I've seen a clip of him sobbing on the couch inside that house. I guess the woman he meets there leaves?

I really liked it, although the Charmaine stuff is super annoying. I can’t think of a way to resolve that without it feeling icky other than if she is wrong and not pregnant after all. How long until season 2? I wonder if I’ll remember it by the time it comes back out.

Maybe Reality Steve's twitter? I'll have to go back and look. I just read it this morning.

I saw today that the youngest guy will be 30.

What they forget is that this is all happening quickly. She "came back" and is expected to get over it and put it behind her within two or three days?

Yes! I think it just went up today.

Has anyone listened to Nick's podcast with Lauren Zima? I would be interested in what she has to say. She has seemed oddly critical of Madi and oddly defensive of Hannah Ann, even in the comments on Nick's post about the podcast. I am not in a place where I can listen to it, but I'd be very interested in what she says. If Peter does pick Hannah Ann only to dump her later, especially if she asks not to make her his second choice, I can see Lauren being protective of her. I guess. It's still kind of weird, but I'm curious.

I think the 100% not with Hannah Ann is new, but it's definitely not surprising. I would hope, that after last night, she would respect herself enough not to put up with him.

They are for next week. From the few screen shots people have posted on Twitter, it's only little bit of new information. He's still not 100%, but he's pretty sure. Madison self eliminates. (He still doesn't know if it's after she meets the parents or at the FRC. - I think it's at the LCD since he's wearing that pink flannel shirt when he's with Madison and that's what he's wearing when he's crying in the desert.) His mother is talking about Madison. He is 100% not with Hannah Ann at this moment nor will he be at the ATFR. He specifically mentions Hannah Ann hanging out with UT football players this weekend. What he isn't sure about is if he picks Hannah Ann at the FRC only to dump her later. He definitely does not leave Australia engaged. They are kind of a let down, but I can't see all of it since it keeps crashing, so maybe there is more.

Steve has new spoilers up, but, as usual, his site is down.

There are lots of photos, but just of them hanging out- no making out.

According to those in Knoxville, they were together all day, went to at least three different bars, and were spotted making out. I don't know how this fits with her contract for a year after the end of filming, but it doesn't seem wise. There is some speculation that it is in retaliation for not being chosen as the Bachelorette. If that's the case, then it supports the argument that she was too immature.