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Whose plan it was didn't matter. They all supported it. The fact that their efforts were hijacked by White Rose and Dark Army doesn't change the question of what did any of them expect to achieve after Stage 1? These are not dumb people. Nor are they especially young people, they are adults. I've always found it hard to believe that they would think Stage 1 was a good idea, that it would work, and that it wouldn't hurt far more people than the small number of rich ones that they targeted. Yet they did it.

This ep was a nice sort of reset, with some things finally being acknowledged (Angela knows Elliott is more than one person, AND can tell the difference) and an interesting new character (Irving). Unfortunately, they seem to be going Fringe/Flash/Man in High Castle with the larger mythology, which is disappointing. I expected something unique from Mr. Robot. Something more inward looking, more TRON-like, vs. yet another multiverse. BTW, Elliott is finally asking himself the questions I was asking in season one on these boards ... what is the purpose of Stage 1? Yes, it could wipe out records of debt, but to what end? Even if our society agreed to wipe out debt (unlikely), what system replaces what we had? Meanwhile, the chaos you caused is mostly hurting the same people you were hoping to help. Elliot and his team were never clear on that, and now he seems to recognize that this path was not a good one.

And was it just us, but did she seem about 15-20 years older than him (and he seemed about 22). We had the sound off at the beginning and we both thought that she was his mom. When he dressed up for the homes he seemed as comfortable as our teen son.

Well, yeah, and there's that. I can't get my head around that whole sequence. Kevin Yoon seems like he would have been a nice guy. Christine said she loved him then. So she hears rumors, and that's enough to break it off? I know gay rights weren't remotely close to the same then, but don't you know your boyfriend at that point, and have some idea of whether he is being slandered? Anyway, so let's accept she breaks it off over rumors ... and she ends up with Lee? Who I imagine even at that time was not exactly kind or an achiever? The ep needed a line that said something about Lee being an incredible student or leader of something to at least connect the dots and show why Christine went for him. I don't buy the "I rescued you" bit. No one who is rescued while depressed then stays with Lee for 20 years. At some point, Dr. Christine would have dumped him.

I like that you have read into Lee's behavior and his upbringing. I always hope that shows are trying to say more than "this person's an ass" with some of what they portray. I have struggled throughout VP with why Christine is with Lee. At first I thought maybe it was so he could make her a citizen, and help bring her mom over. But Christine has done very well for herself, and with her career choice I don't think she would need Lee. So she must have seen something in Lee, right? Not only did she marry him but she has been with him for years. Given that, to learn that he messed up something in college ... how much would that actually matter to her now? Meanwhile, Gamby is still sort of on a redemption arc? He backslides but still, he is at least trying.

In fact, this wasn't far off of being a documentary, teeth excluded. I would have liked it better without Rachel and Hillary. They needed more media in the sewer to go for the "we're all in this cesspool together" viewpoint. Hillary's presence was an odd addition. She wrote a book, but still. No idea who Kumail was - and I've seen an episode and a half of Silicon Valley (which I found to be an uninteresting millennial wankfest). He seemed pleasant enough. That made me laugh. There has to be a Godzilla Twitter account now, right? Too close to reality, I think. Both the sad employees in costume in a professional office, and the tone deaf manager passing on terrible news with a "let's not blame anyone and move forward."

That part I have seen. I just can't figure out what the show is saying with this. This isn't a one episode, Cartman-is-a-dick plot. This has gone on all this season, and its roots were apparently last season (thank you for the additional background). So there seems to be some point to this. I don't know what it is.

I watched some of last season? Mostly I remember Eric taking on women's causes to get Heidi's attention, and them getting together. But it feels like he was exposed later as being insincere, and she was mad at him. I assumed they broke up, and that was that. Then I see these new eps, and she acts like one of the women you see IRL who sticks with an asshole boyfriend, hoping to get engaged one day, while the boyfriend is increasing douchy and everyone around them is appalled that she still likes him. I don't know how to reconcile those two things!

Agree, not everyone who is part of a group acts like the stereotype about the group. I don't think that's at issue. In this case, this person did act like the millennial stereotype, so much so that some wonder if he is an actor. If he isnt , he just reinforced the stereotype.

I think Cuban was right on, and the actions of the kid confirmed it. He just could not believe that he worked on something that he thought was great but others didn’t. His look of shock, then irritation because clearly the sharks didn’t understand, and then mopey walk off were perfect examples of how millennials react. And then... the person who made him that way was waiting off stage... his mom. If she was a set up, then he and the whole thing was.

Kara wasn't darker. She was mopey, childish and self absorbed. This whole show was about FEELINGS. Because, you know, that's what being a super hero is about. Yeah, and Lena's accent was all over the place.

Said very well. Especially the stuff with the brother. Acting like he is a dick because he wants to know what happened is ridiculous. She seemed to get it at the end. i love how this show will depict the gray areas with life events, and the indecision real people face. But it keeps making Sam a jerk and that's hard to take.

I don't think that's our Barry. Or at least something is wrong with him that we will learn about later. That whole scene at the end was off, and the music cues were off. Like he was trying really hard to not say something that would be a downer to Iris - or to not twirl a moustache. Maybe he was programmed while in the speed force,and it will come out later. I thought the bad guy was All that said, I agree it was a fun episode. Getting Barry back (whichever Barry this is) - after six months - was contrived. But they had to start somewhere. I like the new Caitlyn who seems to be about 70 percent Caitlyn and 30 percent Killer Frost at all times when not "frosty." She has more swagger.

I know this is SP, a TV cartoon, but this whole Cartman/Heidi thing puzzles me. First, I didn't even realize he had a girlfriend until 2-3 episodes ago. And at first, it looked like she was doing something to him off screen that we didn't see, that caused him to want to avoid her. And then he started with this resigned, passive-aggressive response to her when she shows up. Which irritates her, but not enough to break up with him or ask what his problem is. Is the show trying to say that jerks are the ones who get girlfriends? I don't get the running gag, though I, too, am starting to laugh at Cartman's drawn out response to her. Was the show clear on that? Because I thought that's where they were going, but the sequence seemed to indicate they were more upset about his legs (the doc said he wouldn't walk, and he would be good at stand up, and the crying started after both) - and then he was shown with the microphone.

Which is sad. I loved TWOP, and some of the Battlestar Galactica write ups that Jacob did were works of art. Then it went away and we got this site, which is clearly trending downhill. Now all I come here for are these user threads. Oh, and uh, Lizzie sucks ... in this episode.

As Michael Irvin would say, "C'mon, man!" This Vegas move isn't a secret! Also, the San Diego Chargers moved to LA (stupidly), and the Rams moved from St. Louis to LA (yes, now there are TWO teams in a market that didn't want ONE team). That should get you caught up.

Could be. I don't remember the exact context now, but I thought she said something like, "I'm an FBI agent in another country, and that's the only way I'll allow this." I could be misremembering.

I can see that, but again, missing the point, which is timing. Robin is allowed to be first surprised and then disappointed that Sam doesn't want his surprise. He was both, and then he was upset for a bit. He didn't understand Sam's initial request, given the context of their trip together, and then when she said she didn't like surprises, he was confused (is she serious?) and yeah, upset because who communicates that way? It's like asking a friend to be your date at a wedding, and then after she buys a dress and comes with you, telling her to stay in the room because you're not a couple. Can you do that? Sure you can. But you're an asshole for doing it that way. And despite all of that, he seems to have worked through it, gotten to the right place and they are both good now. In my book, Robin is the hero here, and Sam was a jerk not because of her preferences (which she can have), but for her horrible, duplicitous way she communicated them. That's about all I have to say on this I think. It's clear cut to me, and I hope no one ever treats me that way nor would I ever treat others the way Sam did. Be honest, up front, and let the chips fall where they may.

ITA, and I think the writers live in a world much different than the one I see every day. Very few things that Sam or her girls do and say, or the way they do and say them, make sense to me. It seems to come from the perspective of, "People can act any way they want, and no one has to fit anyone's expectations, so get over it" for the main stars of the show. Meanwhile, any character that expects any reaction to fit within social norms is painted as an asshole. It's getting old.

He refused to tell her ... because it was a surprise he thought she would like. There is nothing jerkish about that. It happens all the time. Not knowing is the definition of surprise. And you're missing the most important point: timing. She asked this second time, while actually on the trip, still without telling him *why* she wanted to know where they were staying, or her perspective on their time together that evening. A guy asked her on a trip away for the weekend, planned a surprise for her, and she is insisting he tell her the surprise *without* explaining why. She is the jerk here, IMO. Only after her two attempts to have him spill a surprise that obviously meant something to him didn't work did she bother explaining why she wanted to know. And at that point, he immediately told her. Another approach, upon accepting his invitation for the weekend: "Hey Robin, I hope this doesn't cause a problem, and if it does, I get it, but ... I like to have my own room on weekend trips. That way we can be together and do whatever we want, vs. if we have one room then there is an understanding that we do one thing. So I'd like to make my own reservation for a room - can you tell me where we are staying?" That way no one is a jerk, and everyone knows what expectations are. I must be living in a different reality, because I don't see any way to view Robin as being a jerk given what Sam did and how she did it. It's important to note that I agree Sam can desire any arrangement she wants, that isn't the point. The point is that if what you want is unusual in the context of the situation, and Sam clearly seemed to understand it was, then be up front. Otherwise, be ready for a wide range of reactions.

Philadelphia gay flight attendants... as soon as we saw that one house was near the nightlife, we both predicted that would be the choice- and it was. Is there ever an episode with a gay couple where the don't pick location ahead of all else? It's always near the nightlife.

Meh episode. Gal tried her best, they needed to stretch her more. Not many laughs, but nothing terrible.

Gretchen acted relatively human this week, for a change. It's about time. Why would Jimmy think Edgar was propositioning him? There is no reason to assume this, given everything Jimmy knows of Edgar. I think he knew exactly what Edgar wanted and was sternly rejecting it. And of course this show made Paul a MRA and a dumbass. Because there is no other way to see men's rights.

They didn't do this on purpose, but if they had, that's quite a risk you are taking that you don't lose your whole house. Not even Cam and Mitch would be that dumb ... would they? The best line was Jay noting that, because Manny is a theatre major, his dorm room will be the biggest apartment he ever lives in. That's true on both a snarky and nonsnarky level.

I thought this episode was awful. Cam and his outfit were beyond ridiculous, even for Cam. Jay suddenly caring what people will think of him when he is gone ... have you met Jay? They all take a trip on a houseboat to see the eclipse, and yet there is no set plan on being together when the eclipse occurs? Manny deciding he will be someone else than who he has (mostly) unapologetically been? And it looked cold there, both in the air and the water. It did not look like a fun trip. I don't mind some of the meanness, because, well, it's what they do. But a lot of this was just dumb or out of character.