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Call me crazy, but I really don't think any of those couples on that show are just in it for couples cam. With the exception of this crew, all have been married for over a year, most for years, and many now have children together. I don't think that's just for the sake of this dumb tv show! Well, maybe Jamie and Elizabeth ;-p

Dave and Amber ;-p

Huh? My point was not about Jamie and Doug, who I have had my fill of at this point, but more that Jake and Haley are nothing like Jamie and Doug, both with their backgrounds and personalities. I come to this forum to pass judgement on these people and the things I see them do, so I have no problem calling Doug a doofus, which is pretty mild compared to some of the things people say about the people on this show. And Jamie herself has talked extensively about what she was looking for by coming on this show, which was love and stability. Not even remotely the same situation as Sam and Neil.

Same! Completely inane, but easy to watch. I have never heard of a Hummingbird Cake. I feel like the bottom two teams were completely overthinking. Those Las Vegas chefs are so over the top. That cake was gorgeous, but they better learn the goal is to recreate the dessert from the clues, not one-up it.

Actually, they are both very active on social media, and quite frankly, it has made me like them more. Ryan is pretty funny and their posts together are sweet. I know it looked like he still wasn't sure about her on this reunion episode (no idea when this was filmed) but it's obvious they are together and love each other on IG. I can only like them more for choosing their relationship and normal life over some easy money on Couples Cam. Virginia and Erik should have done likewise. They are doomed. Oh, and one more thing about her couch surfing ways - why is that necessary in the age of Uber? Is she too drunk to even manage her phone and the app to stumble her way home instead of crashing at her friend's house?

This whole show pissed me off. What a bunch of malarkey! Kevin totally sucked. I have zero respect for how he GRILLED Jake about the sex as proof that Haley “tried”, except that was the beginning and the end of her efforts over the course of the eight weeks, and that was day four. And she will never be right about the bracelet. Never. Rude and ungrateful beyond comprehension. It’s also bullshit to compare them to Jamie and Doug. Jake is not Doug - he’s not an easy going doofus married to a girl so desperate for love and stability she was willing to look past the initial unattraction and accept his romantic overatures. And Pastor Cal saying he should have brought more swag? Has he met him? That is not his personality at all! I am glad Dr. P called her cold because she is. Enjoy being single Haley, I think you’re in for another 7 years or so with your stank attitude. Or maybe she’ll find a good looking basic bland guy who lets her dress him and lets her win at everything. She’ll book all their vacations and concerts and he’ll just say yes dear because she does what she wants when she wants. He will definitely be a “happy wife, happy life” kind of guy. Also, Kevin totally let Virginia off the hook. She lies - she absolutely thought she could still pass out drunk on her boy friends couches - it’s on film and we saw it. These two definitely have an expiration date. Do we think they will continue the party line of wedded bliss on couples cam, or is it going to get messy a la Shawniece and Jephte? Either way, I’ll be shocked if they are still together by their first anniversary. I am into Clara and Ryan. They are cute. But Clara can stop whining about people being nice online. Good luck with that sweetie. If that worried you so much you should not have gone on national tv to find a spouse. Lastly, the fawning over Paige was ridiculous. She did not carry herself with strength and class Kevin! First we saw her, she was talking about someone eating her butthole. Not classy. Then she had sex on her wedding night repeatedly! with a guy she already had red flags about. Then whining about it to her new in laws. Embarrassing. Then more red flags and more sex. Constantly giving in to manipulation. Giving chance after chance to that asshole who showed you repeatedly that he was not a good guy. Unfortunately, the best words to describe her behavior this season are sad and pathetic. It was painful to watch. I am glad she is getting help.

I think it's probably gotten more phony because they are now being employed by lifetime for Couples Cam, or even if they are not, they don't want to piss off their new IG followers.....

Cannot wait for this over-bloated crapfest to end, but I have to tune in just to see the messy conclusion of Jake and Haley. Curse you show for making me wait an extra week!

Ironically, the women from that horrible DC season all got matching tattoos!

I understand and agree with this, but I guess I don't see Ryan as repressed so much as protecting his privacy. I also understand not wanting to embarrass his parents on national t.v. I am a Christian, and although I am not as conservative as my parents, I would not want to do something that would embarrass them if I was doing something like this because I still love and respect them. I think that's where he was coming from when he jokingly apologized to his mom. I think Ryan and Clara will be fine in the short term, but I do think they have both swept the big issues under the rug. Kids are going to be a sticking point because they are nowhere near agreeing on how to raise them.

Ok, so Chris and Dwight are hypocritical Christians because they don’t display evidence of being Christian by their behavior, but Ryan is sad because he actually does?

Except here is my problem with what she actually said: She said a physical connection was HER LAST STRAW. On day 4! Then this gal ditches him directly after the bad sex, doesn't apologize; tries to change how he dresses after knowing him a couple weeks as a thinly veiled "gift"; ships his wedding gift off to another state having never worn it, doesn't apologize and is actually very rude about it; leaves every night after filming; is a poor sport when both winning AND losing the various games they played, and then says "I tried". I say bullshit. I get that Jake would not be every woman's cup of tea, and she is not obligated to love or even like him, but I do not believe that she actually gave her best effort here at all. Her own friends questioned if she was giving up too soon! I think that having sex with him was the worst choice she could have made knowing she really didn't actually like him very much. I don't think she handled this well at all, but she acts like she deserves a pat on the back for her efforts. Just no.

I have to say that Clara never said it was not reciprocated. If you watch that video, She says "I'm getting him off every night....." and someone else in the room says "and getting nothing". She then says "Exactly". It is not clear if that means he isn't reciprocating, or if she just isn't getting what she wants, i.e. sex. With these two, we will never know. I would also say that you are right that it seemed like Clara was muting her feelings for him, but I also saw him doing the same when she would answer one of his questions and her answer was not matching his own feelings. He just looked pensive and said "for sure". I think all of that was for the tv cameras and not real. As Ryan stated last night, there is a lot that people don't see when the filming stops. I started following them both on SM, and he's pretty funny and they seem really sweet together.

I don't think the order of this was great. Why would they sit down with the girls as a group before they had even talked to Haley and Jake as a couple? They are the only ones who weren't interviewed as couple last night. They should have had them go, then Chris and Paige and ended with Chris storming off as a "cliffhanger" for this nonsense. The girls as a group could have been saved for next week, God help us. I cannot even believe I'm writing that. No way this thing needed to be dragged out for two weeks, but I think that would have helped the pacing and given Jake a chance to at least respond. It also corresponds the the time she ditched him in their hotel room, so I think that it has nothing to do with the sex for him. He just doesn't actually like her as a person.

This! It's really easy for her to smugly sit there and *wink, wink* imply it was terrible (which everyone has been assuming), but Jake was not even on at all last night to defend himself! That was pretty shitty of the show. I really hope he has something to say about her part there. She basically admitted that it was a drunken hookup so the whole thing was probably pretty sloppy and not great for either one. Everyone cannot wait for Chris to get off their tv, but I also feel like that about her. She has moved into top five worst women for me.

I think Ryan’s apology to his mom after admitting on camera that he wasn’t a virgin is verrry telling about why they refused to discuss sex with Kevin and why all he said on camera the entire season was “for sure”. His parents are ministers and he didn’t want to embarrass them on t.v. I think they are fine. His m.o. was basically “hey, Lifetime, thanks for the wife. You can go now.” 😂 And also, Oh shit - Haley actually went there.

I started following them both on IG and they seem completely happy and fine. I think the problems between them on the show were a manufactured storyline. I don't think Ryan liked being on camera at all , nor having to share his innermost feelings or having his sex life exposed on tv. I think the fact they turned down Couples Cam speaks volumes.

Same! I was so bummed she didn't get the pool! ;-p This! Also, one of the other gals has a baby - why no "mom this, mom that" about her? It's more impressive for this mom that she is competing at this level shortly after giving birth - Sandy's kids are older! I am glad they did this for the women. What really stood out to me is that so many of them have real jobs outside of ninja (Michele and Flex not included) so it makes it doubly impressive. It seems like a lot of the elite men now own or work in Ninja gyms and are training all day. The fact that these gals do so well while holding down a job like "JAG Lawyer" or "ICU Nurse" or "Teacher" is amazing!

Yes, it could be a whole lot of nothing since it has been discussed ad nauseam how many guy friends Virginia has, and how often she likes to go out partying with them.

MAFSfan re-shared this, but there was no video, only a rumor and a picture of her posing with a friend showing no ring. Virginia responded saying it was a selfie reverse image and it was her right hand, and also posted a picture of her hand wearing a wedding ring. Erik just posted pics with him, Virginia, Clara & Ryan. He has also posted recent pics for both of their dogs.

I feel like if couples cam was just a cash grab we would see more of these couples splitting up shortly thereafter, but the fact that mostly what we see on that show is people settling in to married life and starting families make me feel they are legit. I absolutely do think it’s a way for some of these people to parlay this quasi-fame into a social media presence they can monetize though because I see Jamie, Shawniece, Elizabeth, Danielle, Ashley, and Greg and Deonna hawking stuff constantly. AJ promotes his business. Plus Keith and Kristine are doing commercials during the show! The only ones who seem to just be here to record their lives are Austin and Jessica. As I said before, I think Erik and Virginia’s staying power is questionable, but maybe they’ll surprise me like Jamie and Elizabeth, and we’ll see if Gin Gin quits her mediocre job to start an Instagram business after this. I have no doubt Vinny will use this platform for exposure to help grow his business. Is it wrong that I like Clara and Ryan all the more for declining to do Couples Cam?

I am bored this Saturday afternoon so just for kicks and giggles I looked up the show on Wikipedia to see how often this happens and got sucked down a rabbit hole. By my calculations: There have been 44 total matches across all 12 seasons. 15 couples right now are still married. 34% overall success rate, although I would also include Jason & Cortney as a success, and probably Tom & Lilian even though both eventually divorced. They stayed together past the post-show expiration date. Including them, the success rate is 38.6%. Saying yes on D-Day but splitting by the reunion or shortly thereafter seems to be most common between Season 2-7. Out of the 18 couples from those seasons, 9 of those couples said yes but split shortly after that (50%!). From season 8 until now only one other couple has done this (Katie & Derrick), so it has (so far) become less common more recently. What is more interesting to me though is if you just look at season 8-12, the success rate has improved. There have been 23 couples since then, and 11 are still together (47.8% success rate). Considering there are only 15 couples still together and 11 came from these recent seasons says how crappy the matches from seasons 2-7 actually were. Of course, the flip is that while “the experts” have gotten more right recently, they have also at the same time cast some of the most wretched humans to ever grace this show in these current seasons: Luke, Matt, Zach, Brandon, Katie, Michael, Christina and Chris all were from Season 8 forward, and there is no justification for them picking any of these turds. I have my doubts about Erik and Virginia going the distance, but I feel ok about the other two. I guess time will tell? 😋 Sorry if I bored anyone with these stats. I find it fascinating!

Ok MAFSlifetime has posted a picture on sm with all of the couples participating in the new season starting in June. VA & Erik and Vinny & Bri are joining, but Ryan and Clara opted not to even though they are still together. Good for them I say. It looks like Amelia & Bennett are also out. More strange to me, Shawniece and Jephte are there. Does this mean we have to watch them record the demise of their marriage on this show??? How sad........

Seriously! This is taking dragging this shit show out to a whole other level! What do you want to bet it has to be two parts because Chris hijacks the whole show once again and they let him???? Enough already!!!!

I have to say I understand what PC means - she had so many opportunities to kick him to the curb but she either runs after him (like last night) or accepts him back or supports whatever bullshit is flying out his mouth as apologies for bad behavior, or talks him down in with her religiosity and baby whispers. She has enabled him to continue to pull his stunts and spew his lies. She had so many opportunities even going back to the day after the wedding when he said he wasn't attracted AFTER HAVING SEX WITH HER! to just be like "nope, I didn't sign up for this. I want out and I don't want any contact with him." But instead she has given him chance after chance after chance. In any other situation, we would be Team Paige, but her own behavior has been so frustrating I don't like either one now. By Decision Day, she is at least partly to blame by continuing to give him a platform.