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I distinctly remember her babbling away to Yo in Amsterdam something to the effect about "if my kids find out I'm drinking or using again, they'll cut me off" (paraphrased, I don't remember her actual wording of the consequences she'd face). Maybe her kids did follow through with that threat to sever communication with her in the event of a relapse. Maybe their final straw was the (apparent) refusal to cooperate with whatever Dr. Phil had lined up for her. Now I'm curious. Chad is out playing golf today. I'm wondering to what degree Mommie Dearest's behavior might have played a role in his psychiatric issues. I recall a discussion Kim had with one of her daughters way back in season 1 when the poor child was packing to go visit her father and Kim sat in there attempting to lay a massive guilt trip on her (which I remember the daughter seemed to handle extremely well). Who knows what sorts of mind fucks she may have been using on Chad to keep him at home with her. Maybe Kim's nasty ass will stay in rehab long enough this time so that Chad might actually get a significant break from her and flourish. I firmly believe Kim doesn't want real help with her issues. IMO, she wants to go to the facility of her choosing...which will be the most spa-like atmosphere the Hilton money can afford, where the celebs call the shots and the staff is pretty much reduced to just reassure them about how fabulous they are and how none of this is really their fault. I have a really low opinion of places such as Promises, Passages, and Seasons. Kim would never be able to handle a hardcore treatment facility where any amount of introspection and self-awareness is required to succeed.

And as many of us suspected, that bitch WAS drinking and driving, and apparently drunk off of her ass in the process since she's stating the bar at the Polo Lounge was closed and she couldn't get a drink....which means the condition in which she was arrested was the condition in which she arrived. Holy fucking christ...Bravo, get this selfish, dangerous bitch off of my TV.

Anybody here watch the short-lived (and unceremoniously canceled mid season) "Prison Wives"? Those women were able to Face Time/Skype with their significant others from the prison. I'm wondering why that wouldn't be an option in the case of Apollo and his sons. He could have a virtual visit with them and they could see their felonious father without Phaedra having to make that trip routinely. Seems that a trip of that length would be a real hardship on kids of such a young age. Anyway, it just seems odd to me that the Face Time/Skype method of visitation is an option at some facilities and not others.

Me, too! I was sitting here wondering if there had been some type of crossover with Blood, Sweat and Heels that I had missed. Then I remembered there was, somewhere this season, a "Demetria" on this show, too. These women all appear to despise each other at this point. Andy may have to do a major retooling before next season a la RHoNYC when the hostility amongst those women also reached extraordinary proportions.

Add to that the fact that once the previews of her sit down with Dr. Phil started to air, she probably saw what the public's reaction was (primarily "Go to rehab, you dumb bitch!" on all the forums and pages I frequent) and she figured no one was going to buy her woe-is-me act airing on Tuesday. I'm a terrible person for saying this but I have not a single fuck to give whether Kim gets better or not. For the sake of her children, I hope she does but other than that...eh, whatever, Kim. Maybe Monty was slipping her "a pain pill" even back then? She was definitely not in 100% goddamned pain in that interview.

Why is it, what with Carole presenting this image of being so uber cool and trendy and hip, that I find it difficult to believe she didn't realize a "gummy bear" was a club drug? Not to be ageist because lawdy I'm not that far behind Carole in age, but damn...How could she make it this far in life and not realize what she was taking? Just admit it, Carole...you were out partying and wanted to get your freak on. Too many women are legitimately surreptitiously drugged (and frequently assaulted) at clubs without you having to dumb yourself down and pretend you didn't know what you were willingly ingesting. And, if you are that dumb, you really shouldn't be going to clubs unsupervised, or with Adam as your date, or maybe take a closer look at a "friend" who would slip you a mind-altering substance without a heads up as to what it would do to you. Ugh, these women... But then again, I'm temporarily out of coffee and maybe my caffeine withdrawal is making me even more jaded and snarky about these heifers than usual.

It could also be Seasons, which is the touchy-feely, ass-kissing, obscenely expensive rehab center in Malibu where Amber and Janelle (both from MTV's Teen Mom franchises) went. And we see how much good that did those women. Maybe it's something in the water but Malibu's rehab facilities definitely seem to be just overpriced addict babysitters, IMO.

I always found it particularly interesting that she actually stumbled over those words in that sit down with Andy a couple of times before she actually said it. I can't find a clip of that scene at the moment, but I distinctly remember it as Mr. Persnickety and I were snarking about it. Yes, we're evil that way. I totally agree with your guess that she's been indulging in far more than just alcohol so maybe that's why she stammered...some subconscious reaction or slip, maybe. BTW, found this little gem on YouTube whilst looking for that clip of Kim stammering. It has an interesting quote from season 6 where Kim states that Brandi "needs help" after the racist comment she made to Joyce in Palm Springs: ------------------------------------- Holy batshit.... Also found this interview clip where Kim appears to be higher than a fucking kite describing her decision to tell Adrienne and Paul about Brandi outing their surrogacy situation. WELL WORTH A WATCH...

So am I the only one who giggled like a 12-year-old of the irony of Jamey being a "meat cutter" and Ari being pre-surgical? I'll show myself out now....

And "girlses." I'm still seriously giggling over the scene of Kim leaving on the road to nowhere. And the way she had to turn and yell her parting words right before she crawled her allegedly in 100% goddamned pain ass over that concrete wall. Dr. Phil was a lulzy little story about catfishing today so I was bored and watched it. I was lucky enough to see the preview of Kim's episode on the big screen. Can. Not. Wait.

I cannot even imagine how many WTF moments the production crew filming Kim must have in a day. They have my sincerest gratitude for capturing her Escape from Rehab Mountain exit. Absolute perfection.

Me, too! I used to crack up at RHOC when Shannon always referred to Heather as "Heather Dubrow" every time she said her name. So, I finally got around to watching this episode. THIS is what the viewers were robbed of, tennis at Camille's...Eileen receiving her Emmy...Rinna picking her own wardrobe for a role, which we also got to see being shot...LVP and Kyle engaging in organic interactions...etc, etc? Oh, a gigantic fuck you to Kim Richards for her goddamned 100% pain and taking "a pain pill" and an even more gigantic fuck you to Bravo for deciding the viewers would rather see all of the ensuing bullshit instead of the actually, you know, entertaining footage they obviously had. Hell, the women started off the season at the White Party pretty effectively freezing out Brandi by being cordial and then ignoring her, then Poker Night happened and obviously changed the entire dynamic for the season. I hope that scene of Kim scurrying away over the concrete wall like a cockroach from light is the last we see of her ass, and I hope Bravo tells Brandi to exit stage left and never return as well. After seeing this lost footage, I don't think Brandi nor Kim need to be replaced. It looks like the remaining crew could bring more than enough to the table to fill up the episodes.

Mother Persnickety used to do that to Papa Persnickety. I walked in unexpectedly one day to find her with a prescription bottle and a bottle of generic Tylenol. "What are you doing, mom?" "I'm out of Vicodin, so I'm taking your father's and putting Tylenol in their place. He'll never know the difference." "Well, maybe he won't know the difference, but his pancreas will, mom." My dad had been prescribed 20 Vicodin for acute pancreatitis the day before during an ER visit...and my dad was never, ever one to take pain medications so it was excruciating. But, much like Kim and all other addicts before her, my mother didn't care about his pain, it was her pain that was important. I can absolutely see Kim doing the same thing Mother Persnickety was doing to my father. I think it's probably common practice for many addicts, sadly.

She certainly did, and appeared to be looking for any residue she could use. That entire episode was so telling about Kim. Remember the busted-ass shoes she was wanting to wear to that swanky event at SUR and Ken overruling her? Damned things looked like she'd had them and been wearing them consistently since she made Tuff Turf. And showing her makeup person her lipstick vibrator she was so proud of and bitching about Ken, whilst ordering him to find her phone, charge her phone, get her something to drink, etc. Looked like she was living her own version of a whacked out Norma Desmond. I kept waiting for a chimp to amble into the room. I could never quite decide if Ken was using drugs, too, or if he was just Kim's gopher. He seemed quite pissed off during that entire hotel episode and the fact that they were running so late and he couldn't get her ass out the door. If Bravo intends to keep her under contract, they need to get her off of this show and put her on something like "Down and Out in Beverly Hills: The Substance Abuse Edition." I really hope she and Brandi are both gone next season. Between withered/weathered Kim and Brandi's grotesquely swollen head and face, it's becoming downright difficult to watch.

I hate to say it but I tend to agree, with no proof whatsoever.... Her hands were an absolute mess, stained, broken nails, dirty nails, band-aids, in a scene with Kyle in that season. Somebody over at TWOP swore they were "meth fingers." Then her crawling around on that bathroom floor at the hotel obviously looking for something quite small really piqued my curiosity, especially when Ken was firmly telling her not put whatever it was in her purse when she found it. Didn't seem to be a pill that had rolled away nor did it seem to be a vial of errant cocaine...and it sure the fuck couldn't have been a drink. So, yeah, after that entire season and what we were shown, and knowing Kim probably wasn't in a financial position to afford high-grade coke, I started to think maybe that TWOP poster had been right.

Closer than you might think... That would have been absolute perfection.

I need to rewatch this episode but I have a question. In the previews for next week, am I hearing correctly that Heather is talking about how Bethenny hurt Kristen's feelings by not inviting her somewhere? Please someone tell me my mind was playing tricks on me... The irony of Heather, who made her mark on this show by totally dissing Ramona and refusing to invite her to London with all of the other housewives, and clearly hurting Ramona's feelings, being the one who complain to/about someone else in this exact behavior would be too much. I don't care for Heather, Kristen or Ramona, but wow...if that snippet of conversation we were shown is some fuck-and-awe hypocritical bullshit from Heather about how Bethenny needs to invite Kristen to something because her feelings are hurt, I may end up throwing the remote at my TV.

I'm assuming Bank of Hilton.

Not necessarily. I was a teen from the 80s party scene and pot has never been my substance of choice. To assume that all of us in that demographic were liberally indulging in marijuana usage isn't accurate nor fair, IMO.

So one lowly little Vicodin caused the behavior we all witnessed, which apparently lasted several hours if one takes into account Kim was already fucked up on her arrival to Rinna's house, all through the poker shenanigans, and in the limousine ride with Brandi on the way back home? I call complete and utter bullshit, Monty. Sorry you're dying dude but damn...quit trying to downplay this bitch's habit. Chad reportedly called her out for abusing pills and weed as well. This bitch has to have some degree of tolerance to opiates based on her elective surgeries and ER trips alone. No fucking way did ONE VICODIN cause what the viewers saw and the other women were subjected to. May a lightning bolt come out of the sky and strike me down at my desk if that's all that bitch took that night. She had to have taken a lot more than one Vicodin or washed it down with liberal amounts of alcohol. And, Monty, please check with Kim about her mystery ailments. I believe you've confused her elusive "hernia" she discussed with Brandi (yet couldn't define) with a "herniated disc" (two completely different things). Oy, these people.....

I've perceived her to be amped up a few times as well. I've sometimes suspected Kim is making recreational use of Ritalin or another similar ADD-type of medication, probably snorting it due to her proclivity to hide in bathrooms. Easy to get, easy to abuse, no problem with possessing a legal prescription for it. In the interest of full disclosure, I have also suspected Sonja and Ramona also may be abusing this substance, especially with Sonja's obsession with her luggage in Morocco and the little mystery urgent trip she and Ramona took into town immediately upon arriving in Morocco. It would certainly explain a lot of the bizarre, over-the-top behavior these 3 women exhibit...hell, there was even an episode of Desperate Housewives devoted to the soccer mom/Ritalin addict phenomenon. Okay, off to set the DVR so I don't miss poor little Kimmie being 100% in goddamned pain and Dr. Phil not knowing what she goes through at night...

I've been away for 5 days on a recuperation vacation and coming back to all of these interesting and thoughtful posts has been like innumerable hugs from baby jeebus. As always, I do love my fellow PTV'ers...You guys absolutely ROCK! Regarding the above, you know, that made me recall a conversation the dreadful Aviva had with Ramona on NYC. During that conversation, Aviva pointed out to Ramona that she felt her friendship with Sonja was because Sonja was such a hot mess, it made Ramona look better by comparison (paraphrased, but that was the gist of Aviva's message). I suspect the same might apply at least to a degree with the sudden Brandi/Kim friendship. Stacked next to the vile Kim, anyone, even the loathsome Brandi Glanville, looks good by comparison, a fact which I'm sure did not escape Brandi. Unfortunately for Brandi, Kim turned out to be a giant albatross around her neck instead of the life preserver she had hoped for. I'd love to know how much contact those two really had after that reunion taped. I got the impression Brandi couldn't shake Kim and her 2 am phone calls off quickly enough.

Once it was revealed Bravo had apparently a great deal of footage of Kim inebriated and obnoxious during season 1, I think a lot of what the viewers might have deemed as unjustifiable "rudeness" towards Kim was actually exasperation with how Kim was behaving, knowing Bravo could choose to use any and/or all of that footage at their discretion and that it was a nightmare waiting to happen. I don't blame her. I'd have been short-tempered and mortified at my sibling, who had been given an opportunity such as this was, behaving in such a manner. Maybe, but I don't think so. I don't think Kim would have hesitated to say so, if that were the case. "She was told to NOT go into my room, and she did it anyway!" wouldn't be a particularly offensive statement for her to have made under such circumstances. I don't think there's ANY justification for that dog biting Alexia, which is why we were never given one. Otherwise Kim would have been screeching it from the rooftops for all to hear and pointing that Bony Finger of Judgment as well.

The little boy who urinated on the grass also received a lot of criticism (along with Brandi's lack of getting up to correct him but she was hobbling around on crutches and couldn't really get over there before the deed was done) via social media. Maybe it was after that episode aired that Eddie changed his mind about having the kids on the show? I know I'd never subject my minor children to reality television. He was just a little boy so the snark about his peeing on the lawn was really surprising, even to me.

DP Were we separated at birth? Count me in the Mom's Club. It took me the better part of 40 years of failure in my mother's eyes to realize I wasn't the problem, it was my mother who had the problem. She was exactly as you have described your mother. Kudos to those of us who survived mothers like ours and those who have siblings like Kim. We're tough cookies to somehow manage to overcome and come out on the other side of the cycle.