CletusMusashi

He's not the lead man. He's the fleeing-because-he-can't-breathe-lead-man.

Caitlin + King Shark 4eva!

Out of the seventy or so plot points in that hour, I think I understood about five of them.

Major characters rarely if ever die of gunshots to the torso. Sometimes for extra "realism" they might spend the next season in a wheelchair, but pretty soon they'll be back up to kick some ass. Now if you're being attacked by a gang of evil extras, those guys can be dropped left and right by aiming at their center of mass, but plot armor works pretty well on everything except the brain.

I'm for Zechonne. Her ability to explain things in three or four words would be a fun contrast to him. Plus she loves kittycats, her weapon of choice would fit well into his Ambiguously Medievalish motif, and, come on, don't you want to see a sword-wielding baby with enormous dreadlocks? It could ride Shiva like a horsey.

Until told differently, I'm going to assume her last name is Carver.

So... exactly like Rick, then?

I'm not sure he had a clear idea how to kick through. Stomping would break it, sure, but the stomper could easily fall right into the crack. I could see maybe lying on his back and bashing it with heel kicks, but is that really an intuitive thing that he would have thought of in a moment of stress? I'm not even convinced it would work all that well. We do know that he practices hard on a punching bag, and we also know that he isn't exactly the smartest character on the show, so "Archie SMASH!" is probably going to be the first thing that occurs to him. And when time is that critical, decisiveness is better than nothing.

So... If Barry loses his memories, then Savitar will also have amnesia... yet he will still build a supervillain suit and become Savitar? Interesting title choice, because "cause and effect" is obviously the last thing these writers are interested in. In which case, maybe they should drop their obsession with time travel stories.

Why didn't Rick use his amazing geniuspowers to just break his father out in the first place? I mean, his dad's just a regular criminal, right? So you'd have regular law agencies chasing you, but... wouldn't they be looking for him anyway, no matter who breaks him out? And at least you wouldn't have pissed off the DEO. Shit, maybe at least come up with a plan that doesn't involve two victims that can ID you! How'd he get the drop on Alex so easily anyway? Is he also a ninja? Boy, I think at this point you are more than qualified to arrange a jailbreak by yourself. Everything else was just really overcomplicating it.

They may not be doing a good job with her character motivation, but that's not exactly a problem unique to the female characters. Barry wants to kill Iris because... he was so upset at her being killed by him? Wally is obsessed with being fast and popular, and that's somehow supposed to be heroic? Shit, Wally as Savitar would make more sense than Barry. But one thing they're nailing is the ice effects. I'm so tired of most of the FX just being lightning and energy swirls. After a while, that instills no sense of wonder in me any more. The freeze power stuff they give KF may have a million holes in it scientifically, but it's certainly fun to watch.

I enjoyed the show, but, if they're going to ask Kara who knows her identity, it would be more realistic if they gave her a three hour episode in which to answer the question fully.

My guess about Savitar's motivation is that he does not come from the same future as Emo Flash. Rather, he comes from a future in which Iris and Barry did get married and had the world's ugliest divorce. Maybe you shouldn't have gotten maried after only kissing four times, kids.

Maybe his actual name is something like Abraham K'Dabrazorg.

Maybe it's forshadowing or lampshading or... fore-shading?.. to Savitar turning out to be Arnold Schwarzenegger. But why is she so happy to see him? Is it just because he's Arnold Schwarzenegger, the famous actor and politician, and, in their universe, possibly the inventor of the Shamwow or something? That would be an acceptible answer. Or... is it because he played Mr. Freeze in a Batman movie, and so she acknowledges him as a fellow freezester?? Much as part of me loves that idea, I don't think "The Flashes" is ready to commit to the existence of Batman yet. Plus, Schwarzenegger's Mr. Freeze was so over-the-top cheesey that I don't think Killer Frost would respect him. Snart, once upon a time, might, extreme emphasis on the word might, put up with him just for shits and giggles, but KF would find his nonstop "Have an ICE day!" blather infuriating. Oh well, nobody's perfect. I still love her. As long as she keeps the evil overacting cranked up to at least an 8.6. Actually, once time travel's involved, it could be anybody. Hell, I might blunder into a time warp next week, and go through all kinds of traumatic character changes while also becoming faster and scarier yet still somehow much more boring. Perhaps her thought process behind the reaction we saw was "Oh my god.. is that an actual scrawny beer-bellied balding man from Cleveland? Thank you Santa! And he has a crappy apartment full of Babylon 5 VHS tapes? Giggety giggety goo!" Because she isn't that into freeze puns. Arnold would've said "Giggety giggety gulag. Or igloo." Or.. feh, I give up.

Maybe he's somebody important who's not usually on the show. Lebron James? William Shatner? Reanimated Lemmy?

Even though, objectively, I agree with your point... subjectively... You had me at "thigh-baring costume."

So if Papa Blossom isn't a real ginger any more, does that mean he has a soul? Sure doesn't act like it...

Was I the only one who thought Future Mirror Moll was Future Killer Frost for a minute? It's mostly the dark lipstick that did it. I was very (briefly) confused about how that pairing had happened. And if they refuse to tell us who Savitar is for another week? I'm saying Grodd. Because, honestly, I'm pretty tired of Savitar already. Pretending he's a gorilla alleviates some of the boredom. Everyone's complaints about how little sense it makes for Caitlin's whole personality to change just because, like a talking Krusty the Klown doll, her switch was accidentally set to "evil," is correct. But I don't care about it as much as I should. DP has obviously been starving for some scenery to chew, and at least she and I are finally having fun. I don't watch this show for internal conistency. In fact, for months, I was perfectly happy not watching this show at all. But when I heard KF was back I decided to tune in, and at least I wasn't bored. I stopped expecting plot consistency or solid characterization a long time ago. I'm just in it for the fun. Which means, basically, that I'm in it for Grodd, Frost, Sharky, Trickster, and... I think that's everything about the show that I still actually like.

Not only that, but: Kryptonians ruined her star system, and then found a new star system that gives her people a little bit of power while transforming them into near-gods. And then they take her son away, to be the eternal second banana to someone who can fly around blasting heat rays out of their eyes. I actually thought for a good chunk of the ep that Queen Lois was being set up for one of those "Villain's got a point" storylines that Mama Luthor should be rocking but is just too damned over-the-top evil to pull off, but, unfortunately, subtle villains are rapidly going out of style. When Kevin Sorbo is the more likeable part of your duo, be very afraid.

I actuially find that trope to be more plausible on this show than I do most other places. The DEO has a staff that consists of humans who are interested in how to repel an alien invasion. So... most of them probably saw "Independance Day" in the theatre. Conversations have been had about it. Ideas have been bounced around about what an alien computer system might be like. And their leader is an alien. He's actually flown an alien ship! Recently, he can even tell them about things he knows and why. So I think that even before Winn gave their infiltration protocols a final touch-up, they had a starting point much higher than, for example, Jeff Goldblum.

Don't be ridiculous. He'd need glasses too. Holy crap the fangirls would go apeshit...

Wait... Shane was a writer? yeah, I can see that. And apparently Negan is writing most of it now.

How were they watching "Game of Thrones?" Did he illegally pirate it just for Wally? Or had he been paying for HBO for, however long, without ever turning it on? I mean the commercials are kind of hard to miss.

Wow. Except for two scenes involving The Kingdom, this was just awful. No way am I sitting through this thing twice in one night.