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I wouldn’t have minded a little more podcast discussion about what Casablancas the Elder was doing. My impression (assumption?) was it was one of those scams where older couples in upper New York, etc, are sold vacation time shares in the Okefenolkee Swamp. This doesn’t say much about the investment smarts of the teacher, who is in the area and could have checked.

did I quote or respond to you? Sorry I guess :-) yeah Aaron shrug. You don’t sound like a lawyer either. Yeah the daughter living at home thing would make more sense if Keith did much hands on parenting. as a general rule you’re correct, it just is jarring not because it isn’t reasonable, because it seems out of place to me. To display a general garment I just walked out of the Shape of Water. A love story. Guillermo del Toro was also heard to comment on one of his other movies, PacificRim, that little girls need to know that not every story is a love story. I think Veronica Mars isn’t really a love story. I think them getting together is a noir ending. It may work long term but I suspect she just is mostly single and fighting for justice and he’s on a boat with his navy equivalent of his ‘09er group. But I hope not of course. Heres an interesting article about people’s perceptions of a tv character compared to what the character actually is (it is about the original Star Trek, not Veronica Mars): http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/columns/freshly-rememberd-kirk-drift/

I just tripped over my bluerays coming home tonight. Amazons preorder did not do good. I assume others had issues. What a beautiful box with the divided image of the good/the bad/the dougie. Thats as far as I’ve got but I’m looking forward to the extras. So many extras.

I think dohrings work with Harry Hamlin is impressive in particular on the show. If he had done more I think we’d see he had real versatile talent . He doesn’t have that much of a portfolio as near as I can tell so pretty much zilch? I think a lot of tv actors get hired for some sort of persona they project and get stuck there. Or movie actors. Tom Cruise(who I don’t like btw) plays the same person in most of his roles and individuates himself with the stunts but he occasionally does a movie where he shows he has a greater range. He just doesn’t use it that often.

Dougie Jones wins senate race in Alabama! (someone had to say it ;-)

TjTs what I meant. The first time I broke the board it felt like I tapped it lightly and it fell apart. I could have pounded at it for some time without success. And I think that is what Jenna was trying to teach her. I guess next episode we learn the kree mobsters agenda.

Veronica doesn’t jump into bed with people fast, she needs a push with Duncan ( life is short) I think Keith knew she was going out with Duncan, he was just commenting on the sex, staying out all night. She’s 18. Some of that puzzled me. Also even odder when she was 19. We never heard anything about rules, it was just ‘my expectation is when you are under my roof you will comport youself as if you are fifteen’. I think it was more Veronica than Keith, more POV that’s what she heard. In the books she moves out pretty quick. Duncan was doing his daily reading in the hut when Veronica was going out with Logan. overlap The season doesn’t start on the first day of school, a little extra time for everyone to notice the changes in Veronica aarons trial makes no sense, no way I

I knew that I got this somewhere else., I wasn’t assuming on the basis of his trip to Chicago. I understand the contractual stuff damned if I can remember where I don’t think Thomas gives away much information and says what people want to hear, Compared to some other show runners.

I’m not remembering the source but remember it seemed credible. removed actual rumors because I normally don’t gossip and can’t remember source. Not a huge deal anyway.

My admittedly minor experience is that breaking a board with my bare fist is a learned meditative channel of my strength but adrenaline works too.

I guess I should add a few more things. I like Jackie and enjoyed seeing more of Wallace doing what he learned from Veronica. I guess there were issues with Percy Daggs which may have limited how much they used him, which is too bad. I thought the dead man with her name on his hand was pretty creepy. I look forward to Duncan's departure further on in the season, although actually this is a really bad thing for Logan. Duncan's relative impassivity allows him to weather Logan's behavior and remain his friend.

Honestly I ended up missing the last two seasons and haven't caught up so I'm sort of floating around trying to figure out what is going on. I think you are right, the kree seem to be more like criminal gangs looking for weapons to sell on the galactic market than anything else. there is the Endor's game idea, that the 'soldiers' may not be told the truth about what they are doing. Not sure I know enough about it to really comment.

This is the thing that probably interests me about Veronica Mars, more than the show. The feeling that I'm watching a different show than other people and yet, oddly, am confident I'm watching the show on the screen (understanding that I can be wrong about this and that, but pretty sure I'm getting the gist). Understand, I'm a Veronica and Logan shipper in the context of the show, I just think it is a tragedy--and not a tragedy where I feel like taking sides and defending one or the other. I just don't think there is any way to get them together without changing them into different people. At this time. And I'm a little shaky on ten years later, but Logan being gone most of the time during the books helps, I guess. Duncan actually faces the consequences of his actions: I doubt Duncan would have been convicted of rape, and there are often in rape laws, even fairly enlightened ones, provisions to help someone who may be unable to judge if consent has been given. On the other hand, yeah, Veronica is moving on by telling herself she wasn't raped and this is one way to do it. I think it is something she'd do. Veronica didn't have sex with Duncan when Lilly and Logan were getting it on, was a virgin prior to Shelley Pomeroy's party, doesn't have sex with Logan during their brief period of togetherness in season one , waits to get it on with Duncan until the bus crash makes her determined to take life in both hands. Her not having sex with Logan isn't his emotional sensitivity, which is questionable: It is her insecurity and her nervousness about that kind of intimacy. Although wonderfully funny it seems to me Logan's zingers in the hall way are really a return to Logan the bully, only this time his attack on her sexual insecurity, considering he knows about the rape, is pretty nasty. It may be the worst thing he has done to her, because now he knows enough about her to hurt her badly. It is also understandable given that she hurt and abandoned him AGAIN and he is too wounded to pay attention to anyone except himself, which only gets worse as the life hits keep coming. Logan is a mess. Yes, Veronica is as well, but she has more emotional support from others and isn't afraid to take what she can get, even from Duncan. Logan is a much more interesting character if he isn't perfect, I'm not sure, I'm honesty not sure why anyone would want to trade that character for a cardboard cutout of the perfect boyfriend. Which is what Duncan is, because of his imperfections as an actor, not wood but a standee in his scenes, but one Veronica responds to as a boyfriend.

These are interesting screen grabs, an improvement ver the last set. Variety in topic and tone. Good job. I enjoyed them. The porsche getting hit is inevitable. Veronica is still learning how to manage people. How do parents and children interact physically without looking squicky after puberty? Awkward handshakes?

Actual question do we believe the family she refers to exist? She seemed to be talking like thee ws a planet left.

Terra being a name for Earth ‘Terran’ is a common name for ‘people from earth’ In science fiction/space opera.

I meant that people watching the show seem to think he is a better, nicer, less culpable person than the show shows him to be. However dick is Logan’s friend and follower and tormented Veronica on Logan’s say so and stopped when Logan told him to stop. Dick intended to rape madison. He verbally abused beaver and earlier groped and mocked Veronica, just like his good buddy Logan did, however Beaver raped Veronica , Not Dick.

logan egged on people who were groping Veronica, there is independent confirmation he led and participated in an actual sexual assault (salt lick )he drugged Duncan in part to distract him from helping Veronica. also bullying . So worse than Dick towards Veronica. He has a hell of a deflector shield. madison is consistently nasty to Veronica in small ways Veronica doesn’t retaliate. I don’t think she hates Madison because she gave her the drink. I think she knows she did something dumb and nasty little madison is there to make sure there is nothing forgiving about the world. I don’t think V actually blames her like thinks she’s culpable. if were both here when she runs up against Veronica in season three I’ll tell you why I think so.

It is an interesting point but d I think the most important point is that she blames herself for taking the drink that she didn't see poured. Period. We never see her take revenge on Madison, so as much as she despises Madison she doesn't attack her for it. She went to a party, was attacked by a bunch of assholes who she already knew didn't like her and ended up in bed with someone she loved. She won't be drinking in situations like that in the future. Logan is kind of an outcast himself, at this point no longer the 'king of the '09ers' but still with some cachet of money and notoriety. Duncan isn't that interested. The kids at school who aren't '09ers think she's defected, but she isn't going to the mall with Caitlin and Madison and Shelley. She isn't really interested in being an '09er she is interested in knowing a few of her old friends. So, why do you think she'd never forgive Dick and don't mention Logan, who was worse?

There’s something inconsistent about Lynn as well. Veronica’s limited POV?

Tammy is given an odd box which was assembled by 'the archivist', who proves to be someone we know. She examines the papers and follows the leads, assembling her notes into a coherent narrative. The lodges have been hovering around the Northwest for some time and have been known to a number of Aboriginal tribes. Some explorers came in contact with them and no good came of it. The jade ring has been passed around, sometimes by famous people. Some of the people tottering around Twin Peaks were involved in some secret government stuff. It seems that more than the owls were not what they seemed. Later, before Tammy leaves Twin Peaks she finds out what has happened to some of the people in the town. This includes Audrey, Annie, Leo, Donna,her father and sister Gersten. She has good access but has to leave abruptly to make it with her small horde of information, flying ahead of a change in her resident multiverse. ;-)

It does occur to me that this leaves a bunch of storylines open for both Betty and Chuck, many of which aren't particularly pleasant. Even though this show had a season and we are now in another season it hasn't been around very long and is still banking things against future storylines. I really liked the Candyman saying he thought Archie was Jason Blossom. Never can tell on these roads....

He needs to know, in his bones, that he was wrong and he needs to do better in the future. Just because someone is punished doesn't mean they understand why they were punished, particularly with the batshit way Betty handled it. He could easily think he was a victim and be plotting revenge against all women.

Okay the one thing in this episode my mind snagged on was that Keith jumps into the room really fast, he is obviously waiting outside the door, and Logan doesn't actually threaten her. Oh, I get that he wants them apart and doesn't trust Veronica to follow through if she feels sorry for Logan, but it makes me think Veronica talked about it before hand. Which makes sense, it just didn't initially come to mind. I still maintain this show isn't a romance and this proves it. I think it is a lot more like an 'American graffiti' show with added Veronica, 'we used to be friends, a long time ago.' Still only me, huh? Why they broke up? Well, last year we had this long bunch of interaction with Liane (Lianne?), someone from Veronica's halcyon days before Lilly was killed, and her mother. Veronica forgives her for running out, which is an egregious sin for a mother, supports her with rehab, and accepts her into her home. When she learns Liane never had any desire to quit drinking and probably came back because she needed a place to live and maybe a joint bank account, Veronica told her to leave. Veronica knows she was right because of the stolen check. So, here's Logan. He's an old friend from her halcyon days before Lilly died and she has forgiven him horrible sins( persistent long term bullying, assault, bum fights). He has called the shots because of the horrible things that have happened to him. She has supported him through all his major traumas. Now, having gotten him through the Felix hearings (and we don't see one flash of a moment when he is supporting her, even bringing her a pizza and a movie when she'd down) she finds out he has burned down the community center. This is the Bum Fights 2, it hurts a lot of innocent people for his private purposes. Like her mother he hasn't changed, she has given him a lot of chances, and now is the time to break it off. Veronica does learn from experience. I think the mystery of the week had to involve Wallace because who else could 'drag her back in'? The heroes journey requires a rejection of the quest, by the way, and I'm sure that Keith is the one that pushes the 'normal life' (why can't you do your nails and talk on the phone like a normal teenager?' he whines.} Veronica's main flaw is her need to please others and she is easily swayed by Keith, he makes a convincing argument, but once she is back in, she'd in. I don't think Veronica is buddies with Dick. I think Dick is still cringing from Logan telling him that anyone who hurts Veronica is dead to him. For her own part Veronica knows how lonely Logan is. Love how Beaver/Cassidy is around, the look of guilt when Veronica catches his eye and they are loading the gasoline. Wonder what is up with him, eh? Duncan comes to the coffee shop every day, not stalking, reading. He is there for her if she wants. Unlike Logan, Keith and everyone else he doesn't want her help, doesn't want her to be someone else. It is pretty romantic to me and it works. She needs someone who will let her find herself. Gia is great. Veronica's spirit guide appears when she is about to be thrown back into the Noir world of her Quest! As well as Weevil, one of her mentors. Yay.