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Stacey needs some of Ed's mayo for that dry ass rat's nest.

@TheGreenKnight and @blondiec0332 I thought it was obvious that by "cares about its audience" I meant "cares about viewership" (in order to gain advertisers), rather than any actual feelings towards the viewers ourselves. That's why I led with "ABC is a business..." For profit businesses tend to care about profit. I'm neither new to the show nor to this forum long before Primetimer existed. And to be truthful some posters stopped posting not because of Meghan but because of other posters' visceral reactions to everything she does or says. I was only pointing out the rather obvious fact that even hate-watching equals viewers and/or clicks. And what media business wouldn't care about that?

ABC is a business so of course it cares about its audience. It cares about the fact that Meghan McCain generates viewers, tweets, IGs and general buzz. ABC doesn't care whether it's because people hate her. They're still paying attention. How much are people quoting or rewatching or retweeting Joy or Sunny or even Ana? Look at this forum. Meghan's thread is almost 5X the length of anyone else's. And if you took out all of the Meghan comments in the weekly thread, they'd be about half or a third as long. People like to watch a trainwreck. There's a reason why rubbernecking is a thing.

This scene made me break up with this idiot I was seeing. This dumb ass watched the same scene as I did and then... Fool: Oh that was smart to have her wear a wig that looks like her real hair. Me: What?!?! Her braids are her real hair. They don't look anything like that thick long straight red horse hair. Fool: You can't tell. It's braided up. Me: Get out of my house.

I do think Tariq killing Ghost was predictable. But I don't agree it was weak. I think it was huge to have the little kid in S1 grow to the point that it was almost inevitable that as an arrogant, self‐absorbed, know‐it-all teen who would be the one to kill his arrogant, self-absorbed, know-it-all father. Tariq killed Ghost not in self-defense or fear - which would have been a position of weakness - but in anger and self-justification. I don't hate Tariq nor the actor (who I actually think is great in the role). I think CK did a good job of arcing the character into one who would inevitably blame all that is bad in his life on his father and eventually kill him. Just because James fed, clothed and educated him doesn't mean he didn't also lie to him, put him and the rest of the family into danger constantly, and throw his mistress in his family's face. And I think it's interesting that so many of us are frustrated with a child who doesn't want to face the consequences of his actions. (1) He's a kid. Kind of par for the course. (2) He's a rich kid. Even more so. (3) When does anyone in his life ever actually pay for what they do? Not Ghost. Not Tasha. Not Tommy. Why should he suddenly be the first? For 5 seasons we saw Tariq lose respect for his father. I agree that the root was Angela and lying about being a drug dealer. And instead of acknowledging those two factors, James tried to bully Tariq into respecting him. That only works until it doesn't. It clearly didn't with Tariq. Kids are not always rational. So expecting Tariq to be grateful for food, shelter and education is not super realistic. Most middle‐ to upper-class and rich kids take that for granted as Tariq did. What did Ghost or Tasha do to try to build gratefulness in their kids? Not a damn thing. This is only true to a point in this day and age. The age of the son and the previous presence of the father in his life are both major factors in whether a black man is in a position to "kick his son's butt" as well as whether others in the community would support it. An adult-sized son who doesn't respect his father is not just going to take an ass-whooping from him.

Two things. First, you believe that Meka's exasperation is a sign that she is telling the truth. I don't think anyone has said Meka is lying. It is clear that she believes 100% that she is telling the truth. However, there are indications that what she believes may be her perception of the truth rather than a fact. Second, Michael has said multiple times that he did not say what Meka says he said. I consider myself a "normal" person, and I'm pretty sure if someone asked me to repeat verbatim something I said 7 days ago, 7 hours ago, or even at times 7 minutes ago, I wouldn't be able to. And I'd probably get sick of being asked to do so. A clipped "No" and crying in frustration mirror the concern many have expressed here that if Meka will not let this specific issue go, this marriage will fail. Michael stated he doesn't want to fail, but the only option he has is to agree that he said something he continues to deny he said. How is his frustration not similarly evidence that he is being truthful?

ITA. He has two very unreconciled sides: (1) the Brandon he wants everyone to think he is who speaks all suavely, says "absolutely" all the time and calls Taylor "Mrs. Reid" vs. (2) the Brandon he really is who's scared, awkward, angry and a major navel gazer. Real Brandon seems to self-medicate with liquor so he can more easily maintain Good Brandon. The more alone he is with his thoughts, the more Real Brandon comes out. Instead of a wife, he needs rehab with intensive therapy.

I thought she sounded average. She's a meh singer and I love Duane Warren but that is a meh song.

We can do both!

Now you know good and damn well Andy Reid is about to start making some dumb ass coaching decisions. He's down by 10 in the 4th. Can't help himself!

Aww. I liked that commercial. All the Alexa-named people trying to do things Alexa does for you. Thought it was cute. Especially the "fake" news-boy.

JLo pulled a Midge. Some knee shakes and booty pops with major assists from her background dancers. Still ain't mad at her though. She built a whole entire singing career but can't sing. She banks on looking amazing and being fun. And it works.

I know @mojoween. Why any of it. Hence my shame.

I'm ashamed that I kinda liked that Intuit tax commercial.

Nice drive Shanahan!

I hate those lazy floaters he throws. Even when he's not mid-sack. They're too dangerous.

Good thing they finally made a Black Widow movie. After she's dead.🤨

I ended up liking that commercial. I wasn't sure with the pre-game version but the payoff was good. That kid had a great personality!

This is a good question. I never noticed that but now I'll be on the lookout. Maybe the blond ones just suck and didn't make the top 100.

Awww...wish this thread were more active so I would have someone to make fun of Yolanda Adams' ugly ass suit with.

Again not defending Michael at all. I said his subsequent behavior is unacceptable. I just don't think Meka's interpretation of what he said is the only possible truth.

I don't even like Michael nor Meka - and I really don't like them together - so I can't believe I'm talking about them but whatever. We are still taking Meka's interpretation of what Michael said as gospel because he didn't offer another explanation. But the truth is whatever he said was part of some conversation about sex. He didn't just bring it up out of the blue. Who initiated the convo? What questions or comments preceded the "bad comment"? What did Meka say during the convo? There's just no context provided by either party. So many of us have jumped straight to "he was pressuring her" when there's just as good a chance that he could have been (awkwardly and prematurely) sharing his personal timeline for when he would feel sex should happen in their insta-marriage. His opinions/wants rather than an expectation on her. His friends and family said he's blunt. Isn't it at least remotely possible his thoughts came out badly? If that's the case, I see the pressure but I don't see the lie. Those of us clutching our pearls over people emotionally pressuring people they're dating for sex, have maybe not dated in a while. I mean, there should be some conversation about sex-pectations in a relationship. Even if it "just happens" one or both parties have some expectations of when, why and what it means. As long it doesn't become more than an expression of what one party wants (vs. expects) I don't see the problem. What adds pressure is timing (too soon) and frequency (too often). To me, similar to the pressure to "we should be exclusive by 3 months" or "we should be married by 1 year". The pressuree is free to jump ship at any time. Again, Meka took Michael's comments as an ultimatum. That doesn't mean he actually gave her an ultimatum. I guess I'm open to a different interpretation because I just know a lot of bad communicators - myself included. To me, Michael showed all the signs of a bad communicator. He didn't answer Meka's questions because he felt attacked and misunderstood. He has never denied what she said but he is also not copping to lying. Leaves open the option that there is some explanation in between. But instead of waiting until Meka calmed down to explain himself, he shut down and left, as bad communicators often do, especially when you call one a liar. I agree 100٪ that his subsequent behavior has been unacceptable. Coming to the group to talk about what you've been doing away from your wife, but not immediately asking to pull her aside to talk? BS and cowardly. Not wearing your ring because you haven't earned it? More BS. You didn't earn it the first time, dumbass. The producers made you a husband.

DISGUSTING. MAN. WTF made that fool think it was appropriate to discuss her "sexual makeup" on the SECOND DAY?!! IDIOT!! 1. BOUNDARIES 2. PREMATURE But this is not even what Meka said that Michael said. She said that he indicated that he would be done if they don't have sex on the honeymoon. She interpreted that as different than what he said to her family on camera. I don't. What Michael said "on camera" is that he would not pressure Meka for sex. That it would be her timeline that determines whether they have sex. What Meka says he said "off camera" is that he would not want to continue if sex doesn't happen on the honeymoon. Not that he would pressure her to do so. Meka took that as pressure. Which I understand why she would. But that was not necessarily his intent. He could have meant that sex is important in a "marriage" to him and if 7 days in, she still didn't want to, he couldn't see the "marriage" continuing. It may be considered an aggressive timeline, but many people would consider sex after 7 "dates" in a monogamous relationship to be a normal progression. And on the flip side, a lack of sex in that situation to be an indicator of incompatibility. The problem is Meka took it to the next level by accusing Michael of being a liar/camera-faker. And Michael shut down instead of explaining himself. Meka then upped the ante by turning it into an interrogation when she felt like he was going to lie "again" because they were on camera. Straightforward communication at the time would have been better. But it's also hard with a person you just met. I just wish they had discussed it more openly and calmly and listened to one another. But since they did neither and Michael left which pulled them further apart for 2 more days, it seems this relationship is doomed.

Good thing Tiffany and Ronald had that convo about how unsafe their potential apartment in SA will be right in front of Daniel.

As are all offspring in the 90DF franchise! And siblings. And friends. Exception: Darcy and Stacey.