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Yes! watching this episode, I was trying to figure out if I could do my zoom meetings in a kaftan. Maybe the fact that I have to work excludes me from the kaftan-for-meeting group. Kudos to the costume team, from the outfits to the jewelry and accessories.

They missed the perfect opportunity to bring them all together in this episode. Miranda, in talking the good and the bad of motherhood with her professor, could have easily wanted her professor to meet Carrie, a woman who is perfectly content (before Big's death) without children. And Carrie could have randomly asked Seema, saying she really doesn't want to go alone to this party. And then, Charlotte would have had diversity and all the characters would be together.

I agree with all of you! Carrie not calling 911 threw me off. She could just call, scream into the phone, and then go back to hugging Big, and it would have been more impactful. But not showing her even attempt to call was off-putting. Seconds matter! Miranda and her ongoing foot in her mouth - Miranda was always smart and witty and sharp. If she was thrown off by the braids, I could see her catching herself with a self-deprecating joke "I expected the professor to look as old as me, like when I was in school" or fixing it part way "your hair is different than the website, but I love it! Rock on!" (still cringe, but something that can be an annoyed brush off). Brady - I wish they had either cast or wrote him better than some weirdly horny kid. It was also weird, even in college most people weren't that loud! I admit to being a prude though, and it was really off-putting to see the screen. Also, I wish they wrote him so much better or cast a different actor. For example, I can see Charlotte's kids as a mixture of her and Harry, with Lilly adopting Charlotte's perfectionism and very feminine style, and Rose being more like Harry, a bit rough, easy going, and goofy. But Brady didn't seem to get any of the charm of Steve, or any of the with of Miranda. And both parents were supposed to be smart - Steve might have been a bartender, but he was always reading a deep novel, and eventually became a businessman. Why not show a little of that in Brady? And Samantha. Man. Re-watching the show, I can see why she wanted out. As the series progressed, she became more and more one note while the other ladies grew up. And the "firing" was ridiculous. First of all, Samantha was a talented publicist who also did Richard Wright's hotels and Steve's movies. She wasn't just "books". As others said, they could have handled this so differently, including just a natural falling out. Sadly, I lost some friends as they had kids. Suddenly, I wasn't invited to birthday parties, because I didn't have a kid to bring, and that was their main socialization (kid events). With other friends, it didn't matter, we worked it out (and I'm easy going and accommodating). Was Samantha even Carrie's publicist still at that point? Or, if it had to be, why not spread the blame. "We argued about creative differences, and that impacted our friendship. I regret it, but sometimes, it's hard to come back from that." And then, have her move to London and move on from their lives. Carrie was the glue anyway, we saw that when she went to Paris or spent all that time with Aleksandr Petrovsky. Oh man. Guess I had a lot to get out this episode! Needed to rant!

Did Jessica really say something along the lines that if Barnett picked her he would be a better person (something like a more mature, poised version of himself)? Please. He picked the person he wanted. And he is the person he is, and will turn into the person he wants to be. I'm not saying that a strong, supportive partner can't help a person be better, but just find it silly to say after talking to a person for just a week.

You know, if Scheana admitted she was jealous, I would have felt for her. I get it - she started the show as the "hot" young thing. Former mistress to a C-list actor, then dating someone who was supposed to be up and coming. Famous enough to perform shows and go to recording studios where a bunch of dudes complimented her. First of the group to get engaged, and then married, but still hot enough that guys flirted with her and her ex wanted her back. And then ... it all went away. Instead of a 2 year mistress, she is basically a hookup. Even a guy who seemed to show some emotional interest ran away when the next pretty thing was in his grasp. She is getting too old for SUR, and all of her friends have moved on - serious relationships, married, buying homes, creating careers, etc. So yes, it makes sense that she is jealous that this tall blonde with a good sense of humor and a sense of self-worth isn't really jealous of Scheana's relationship with Max. And Max seems enthralled with Dayna for longer (not that he is likely to be faithful, but Dayna didn't have to buy him an Apple Watch to keep his interest). Admitting it would probably make her feel better, because then she can actually move past it.

As an Indian person, I'm dreading this show. I hope it is a one and done season. Unless it is good. 🙂

I used to kind of like Destiney. But this season she is bugging me. It seems like she wants to put herself in the middle, but then pretend she is blameless. Sorry, but you are just as fame hungry and gossip spreading as the rest of them. If someone told me something about my good friend, I would say "it is none of my business. If this is a problem between the two of you, go resolve it." But, for my real friends, I don't like to gossip, and would protect them first. For all these famewhores - they are open game!

I'm so done with LeeAnne. Where to start? The racism - just disgusting. As someone said, once would have been suspect, but to keep going is just gross. And it is especially bad given everything else that is happening at the border. Just stop, LeeAnne. And you can keep your fake apology. We see you. Next, the sex workers. I don't understand the need to "protect" anyone. Sometimes, we need to be confronted with the realities of the world. I get how this could be a trigger, but why not show a little appreciation for how good you have it. LeeAnna, I don't know about your life, so I'll give you that you have a hard life, and faced adversity. But look at you now. You are sitting on a cushy job, you have a home, you have loving pets, you now have a husband. You drive around in a Mercedes, wearing designer clothing and bags. You got a free wedding, and were able to borrow millions of dollars worth of jewels. The rock in your ring probably costs more than what many of the people around you make in many years. Some may not even earn that much in a lifetime. And yet - instead of feeling sad for these women, or trying to figure out how to help women come out of the sex trade, etc, you just cry "woe is you" I think it is good for Kam to see this. Maybe you could have talked to her about working with organizations that help to employe women in third world countries. She is a wealthy Dallas socialite, married to a wealthy VC husband. She could help make real change happen for people. Isn't being confronted with this one way to shock someone into action? It is one thing to hear the stories, it is another to see there was a real person there, performing the act, being ogled by throngs of men who see them as just objects, and not as people. I'll stop my super long post. 🙂 Thanks for letting me rant.

This episode made me upset. First, I think travel is important. It unites us as a world, and makes us realize that though we are different, we are also the same. It is also a wonderful way to experience and gain appreciation for other cultures, and see the beauty and learn of the travesties. It humanizes people, helping to break down stereotypes and fears of other cultures. So, when I see someone like LeeAnne say something like she wants to go to an English speaking only restaurant (not that everyone has to eat street food, but there are actually Michelin star street foods. I get Kam might be a picky eater, and just want her usual, but why not at least try some noodles or something?

I wonder if Candiace's mom discouraged her from pursuing a path that would lead to her independence (higher education, JD, MD, etc) to keep her more dependent on her. But Candiace doesn't seem to have a lot of drive herself. Is her wig business still a thing? I haven't heard much about it, and the housewives that have successfully launched brands manage to bring it up at least 1-2x an episode (Bethenny and Skinny Girl especially comes to mind).

I agree with all of you. I hated the way Sonja treated Tej (well, and the way Ramona treats everyone like her own personal servant). His name was not that hard to say, and it is very entitled to completely change it. It was also gross that she was pointing out his flaws and hanging all over him at the same, probably blowing her alcoholic breath in his face. I think it is really hitting Sonja that her old life is over. With her daughter basically and adult, there is not reason for her ex to talk to her any more. She used to be a sought after lady, even if it was just for money and access, and there isn't that. The mean like Harry Dubin dated her when she first had her inheritance - either for the money or to make sure she didn't need to touch theirs, and now those men are leaving. She always talks about how much so and so loved her and wanted to marry her ... except if they did want that, then wouldn't they have asked? I think, as the last of her money goes, it is really hitting home to her that she needs to figure out the rest of her life. Whereas before, she had the security of marriage, that is gone. Then, she had an okay settlement (not enough for NYC, but enough to keep her comfortable) but she messed that up. Then, her other back up (properties, investments) had to be sold to make up for the lawsuit. And now, she actually has to live off of whatever she has left and whatever she makes. No more trips to Gstaad. No more invites to yacht parties. When she was married, her allowance probably exceeded her current income. According to one website, her net worth is around $8 million. If it is, I'm sure most of that is in the townhouse. I bet her liquid net worth is much less. While still lovely and vibrant, she hasn't been able to keep a man (not that she needs one, but at this point marriage is the only financial stability she may have). She doesn't have the business acumen or drive to create or run a real company, she wants to be a "star" but there are no offers. And even her most important job is basically being reduced. Her daughter no longer needs mom like she once did. I think Sonja is depressed, and we are seeing that on TV. I feel sad for her. Sorry for the long post.

With Elizabeth and Andrei, everyone is annoying. Last episode, her sister was surprised she wasn't there for one of the baby appointments. What! That was so strange. I mean, I can imagine maybe joining a sibling for a check up, but I don't know a single married friend who wanted her sibling there over her husband. But at the same time, if Elizabeth and Andrei are living rent free in the dad's house, then they should be taking care of that property. Why can't Andrei mow the lawn? Can't they borrow a mower or rent one or ask her dad to borrow his? How are these two going to have a baby? Why didn't they wait until he was more settled and had his paperwork? Why don't the people who go on this show want to use logic?

Dorinda and Sonja - just be quiet. That was incredibly rude what they did to Ramona during her speech. Just let her get through her spiel! If she messes up, it's on her. And then Dorinda interrupted the main person as well! My goodness! How is this behavior okay? I know, since Dorinda was married to an intelligent and wealthy man, she obviously knows everything about everything, but come on!

1.4 million won't even buy her a house. Weren't they living in a 10 million house before? What happened to all that money? Was it fake?

Good call on the crypts. There has to be something significant there. After all, the name of the castle is Winter + Fell. Maybe it is still protected by old magic (First men or Children of the Forest?). I wish I remembered more of the books - I'll need to reread them again, to remember more of the history of Winterfell.

Wow - lots of crazy in this episode. For sake of brevity, I'll just focus on Sonja. I thought the Morgan house might have been a nice thing. If Sonja can handle living in a Morgan house, is on the board of the foundation, and talks about wanting to preserve this for her daughter, it seems like she would be okay visiting the property. I did appreciate when she started to break down, the ladies rallied around her, and got her out of there. And boy did Sonja go into full on Lady Morgan. I'm pretty sure if touching the letters was a concern, their tour guide would be on top of it. I have been to preserved places where, if you step off the path, they tell you. There would be prominent "do not touch" signs, velvet rope where they didn't want people to go near and exhibit, etc. I love how Sonja got upset about what likely are copied letters, but then was manhandling the boxes, and could have scratched or broken them or the furniture. And was she comparing letters written in the 1800s/1900s to letters her daughter writes? It just seemed both funny and forced. Poor Sonja. She should have spent time learning more about financial management from her husband. Then, maybe she would be in a better situation than in the past. It is never easy to have to come down from a lofty position, but at least she could live a comfortable life without having a falling apart home, or having to use a sharpie on her old designer shoes.

I'm still confused why they think Jazmin's husband is a drug dealer. While that house looks crazy - it also looks like it is a small plot in an okay area. The surrounding homes are more normal looking. I know there are some exclusive, old pricey neighborhoods, but I don't know enough about LA real estate to identify if that is where they live. But can't there be different earning levels of psychiatrists? Dr Imani works with the less fortunate, I would imagine her max earning potential has to be less than some of the private practice ones because of that. Maybe her husband works with athlete's (he looks like he works out) and other wealthy individuals. In that case, his earning potential might be pretty high.

I remember that! I still can't believe Sonja grabbed that beautiful, wrapped lingerie set. And then when Dorinda told her the story, she didn't immediately change out of it while apologizing profusely. Who does that? Who just grabs something from someone's closet? Or if you do, I would ask for their old sweats, not their gifts from their late husband. That actually makes LuAnn's rant even worse, Dorinda obviously still loves and mourns her husband. His items are still so precious to her. It is one thing to poke gentle fun at the room (LuAnn almost started off that way when she guessed what her room was going to be) but then to continue to speak poorly of something that means so much to Dorinda is both rude and cruel.

I finally watched the episode after reading the thread. I know it's been discussed, but I need to get it out of my system too. Bethenny, you are mourning. You have grief. I'm not trying to take away from that at all. But watch what you say, because his kids are going to hear about this. Let them mourn their father privately. Your grief is not more than theirs, or anyone else's. His wife/ex-wife, for better or worse, built a life with him. That can never be replaced. His kids lost their father. No matter what, a parent cannot be replaced (even with your love/hate relationship with your parents, you still ran to your father when he was on his deathbed). The only person who really can replace him is you. You already are moving on to a new man, your loss and your grief will change in time in a way theirs never will. So please. Be considerate to them. Continue to deal with your grief, but keep the very personal stories off camera. LuAnn. What is wrong with you? Now I get it, I can get scared at night (because I'm still a big baby who can get scared in the dark), and the fish room would kind of freak me out. But I would never say that to my host! I would just bring a friggin eye mask, and leave a nightlight on, and just deal with it. You are still getting your own room with a comfortable bed, a host that really works hard for all her guests, and staying in a lovely home. How about just thanking her for her hospitality, and if this doesn't work out in the future, stay at a hotel!

I hope, since Denise Richards has 3 kids, that she put a pre-nup in place. While she has some money, she isn't super wealthy by California standards (everything here is so insanely expensive). Her older 2 kids might be okay either way, because they are part of the Sheen family, and I hope their grandfather is in their lives. But it might be up to Denise to be their main provider through college. Also, I know that doggy gate is done over and over and over, but I just need to put in my say. I am disgusted by Dorit. A dog is a ton of work, it is basically like a toddler that you can leave alone for a few hours. Yes, they are sweet and loving and loyal, but they also need training, exercise, play time, and all sorts of other things. It is okay to not be able to handle a dog with kids. If the biting is true, it is okay to realize this dog isn't right for your home. It isn't okay to just dump it, and not follow up with where the dog is. You were that dog's family, the pack. You are that dog's entire world. It can only go where you take it, it can only eat when you feed it, it can only get love when you choose for it. And you just friggin abandoned it. Not just once, but this is the second dog you threw away, like it was a designer bag that was boring. LVP and Ken truly love dogs and truly love their animals. Look at how they treat the oldest of their dogs, the most frail. If you respected your friend at all, you would have immediately called her. I bet you could have easily gotten out of the 5k. I'd rather be called cheap than an animal abandoner. And if LVP did leak the story, I'll support her on this one. I hope Dorit and PK can't even buy a goldfish - and that everyone is aware that you are not trustworthy for any larger animal. Obviously, I am completely indifferent to this matter. Lol.

Katie is responsible for her own actions. She really might benefit from therapy. Tom is at fault for his actions. I think what people are saying is that he also contributes to their problems and fights. But he does it in a way that the majority of the blame falls on Katie, or the other people involved. He instigates just as much, he is just as rude, and he is just as angry. He is not an innocent battered spouse with no support and no out.

The Katie/Schwartz argument really struck home with me. It reminded me of a rough patch in my own marriage. First - I think Katie needs some more therapy. And I think they need regular marriage counseling, but someone who doesn't fall for Schwartz's golden retriever act. The posters above nailed it with that, and his wounded bird. Ariana is starting to see through the act when her boyfriend is getting blame for something Schwartz also instigated. I'm not a Katie fan, but I still want to see people in general happy and healthy. But Schwartz is an ass. He really is. He should look at his buddy, Tom Sandoval, and how he is involving Ariana. He took her to pick up the surprise, and involved her in the plan. He ditched his meeting to be with her (not that is a good thing, but it probably made her feel special). He even made Katie a helmet - I think he acknowledges that having love and support from your significant other can help to elevate your success, and they are making sacrifices too for you to achieve your dream. It as a small, but meaningful gesture. And, at the opening night, when they walked into the back room, he immediately put his arms around Ariana, even if he was talking to other people. It is as someone said, make your significant other just feel a little more special than everyone else. Schwartz did walk over to Katie, but didn't acknowledge her. If he had given her a tiny hug, or just had his hand on her shoulder, or even just held her hand, it would have made her feel better. If he took her aside and showed her the bar and said something like "thanks for your support so we can achieve this" she probably would have felt pretty damn good. She was excited for him, and wanted to share that with him, and he didn't give her a chance at all. I have more to add, but this post is already so long! Ha, this is almost cathartic!

When Christine took her old classmate/want to date her guy to the 40 million dollar house, we had to look him up. There is no way he could afford such a home. If his early app sold for that much, I think he would be at a much higher position at facebook. C'mon, he knew we would google him! That was just as fake as the mystery buyer from China with no financial profile (I get them not wanting to give details if such a person existed, but they could have fake conversations, or pass a paper with his info that we can't read, or some other fake method.) Despite that, this was a very binge-able, amusing show.

First of all - I love Josiah. His dry comments never fail to crack me up - whether it is shame cocoon or Rhylee and Tyler driving across the country, peeing and bathing out of (different) buckets. Secondly - I'm glad Laura calmed down a bit, I enjoyed her a lot more. Adrian - hope you learned, and are striving to be less disgusting. Third - I still think Kate is a good manager. Despite all the drama previously, I liked how when she got up in the morning, the first thing she asked Laura was what she needed, and then did it. Laura - hope you note this is not Kate "checking herself". This is her being a chief stew, and putting guests needs first. And I hope you continue to show Kate that same respect and completing a task immediately when asked. Question it if it is insane or uncomfortable, but don't question it if it is part of your normal duty set (like making sure all the towels are picked up). Fourth and final - Did someone really ask Kate to stay up all night with a primary who is being a stupid, dangerous person? I don't care how much you paid for a service, places still have rules and regulations. The Captain shows he's not afraid to get mad at a guest if they do something that endangers themselves or others, and this is doing the same thing. Their charter should just end early if they cannot demonstrate they are capable of handling themselves. And the primary should apologize profusely and tip big for her stupidity.

I didn't find the purpose of the event to be bad. These women have been through so much, and it is hard to justify spending on pampering when you need to you need to make a choice about buying food vs clothing, etc. I volunteered at a homeless help event, and it included massages. I think the goal was to give the women one day of just feeling safe, relaxed, and lovely. But the kid having only chips to eat broke my heart. I do wish the food had been more substantial and healthy. More veggies, maybe cheeseburgers for the kids, etc.