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I don't disagree with you that it's a possibility he could be "on the spectrum", but what makes you think he's a "nice guy"? He doesn't contribute enough to ANY interaction for me to form a good opinion about him. But he did sign up for a show where people can be pretty hurt by his lack of emotion/connection so he has an obligation to engage better than he's doing. If he simply can't do the minimum emotional work... perhaps he really can't because he isn't "wired" that way...then he signed up in "bad faith". I just don't get the "he's a good guy" talk about him.

I just can't with Henry. It seems he has almost ZERO to say to ChristinA. No eye contact. Ug. Even in the group setting, he talks without saying anything. It's telling that a scene with Henry requires the breaking of the 4th wall because unless production weighs in who the hell would ChristinA converse with? And then...when he FINALLY claims to have something to say...still no eye contact...ChristinA leaning forward, hopeful, willing to engage ... he sputters some convoluted negative concern about her behavior...how she needed to try harder. That's just the worst. He's just the worse. And then he rates the marriage a 7. Yep, he seems content. Nothing will change with him. I will admit ChristinA kind of rubs me the wrong way. But it's really hard for me to judge her harshly. I wonder how much of her behavior is influenced by frustration with her situation.

I really don't get all this Henry love. He seems like a prick to me. I mean...i get it...perhaps it's just anxiety. But who the hell signs up for a reality show with such a crippling problem? And this reality show? Perhaps it's not anxiety. Maybe he's on the spectrum...maybe he's not intetested in who was picked for him...maybe ge's just really selfish and thinks others should do ALL the emotional lifting in relationships. Idk. But whatever the reason is, he's acting like a complete prick. I mean not even bothering to acknowledge another person's existence is pretty messed up. So why are we all talking about what a nice guy he must be despite his actions? I think it's time fir her to just move on. No explanation necessary. LORD knows he won't object...or even notice if she was just gone in the morning.

"Harsh, but I think Camille and Aaron aren't at the same intellectual level as the rest. They can't keep up and it makes their exchanges with the others draining, if not a bit sad." (Ug...sorry...can't seem to link this to give proper credit to OP) YEP. And add Teddi to this too. There is just no spontaneity with these people. They can't seem to keep up and throw back. They lack entertainment value. I'm amazed at all the Denise love on this thread. The girl irritates the HELL outa me. She's all talk about being down to earth and unflappable, but all her actions are the opposite. I mean her constant talk of her celebrity marriage, being followed by cars, needing to avoid the paparazzi, and "I'm f*cking Denise Richards" is at odds with her simple, down home image she is trying to sell. And she's constantly causing a scene stomping out while she claiming to not to be upset. Looks like she's gonna be ramping it up further next week. Her duplicity is exhausting to watch. And ger hubby seems dumb as rocks.

I think Dorinda us just super pissed her coworker Tins isn't doing her share at "the office". There is just no way for her to break the fourth wall outright. Clearly she thinks Tins is hiding her relationship with Scott from the camera (and she is, right?) while Dorinda has to spill all about John. I don't know...if I worked somewhere where one coworker just completely shirked her duties while the rest of us rolled up our sleeves and did what we were contracted to do, I'd be pissed too. And then Bravo adds alcohol and stirs- lol. Bravo made the decision it was better tv to record Dorinda's rage rather than get Tins in line.

Ya know...about Lu's drinking. Is she an alcoholic? Well i guess that's her claim to make or deny. But whether she's an "alcoholic" or not, the girl has an issue with alcohol. She got arrested for disorderly and attacking a police officer while drunk. THAT'S definitely a problem. It's pretty common in the addiction world that an "alcoholic" is someone who's lost control over alcohol. Quite often that means someone who can't stop drinking once they start. They might be able to control it 9 times out of 10, but it's like playing Russian roulette 'cause you never know which time it's gonna get out of control. Ya know the "one is way too many 'cause two is never enough". I don't think any of us really think she's not drinking, right? I assume she is off camera. But even if she wasn't...she sure the HELL couldn't manage to not drink on camera could she? She lunged for that vodka the moment the topic of drinking came up. And Dorinda...come on...Dorinda drinks quite a bit. She was strangely defensive of Lu's RIGHT to drink. That's not a normal reaction to a friend who is exploring healthy, sober choices. She is the reason people working on addiction issues are told to replace their friend set. Drinking buddies aren't friends...they are just drunks. I'm not trying to be judgemental. If Lu wants to drink, fine. Her business. She clearly exhibits behavior that others would consider a problem, but if she doesn't that's her call (as long as she isn't drinking and driving or something). I don't believe she's being honest with the viewers though and that kinda sucks. Same for Dorinda. She acknowledges she's a fan of the drink. If all she is hurting is herself, then whatev. Her call. But i don't think she should be veering into Lu's lane and INSISTING that Lu should also drink...INSISTING Lu doesn't have a problem. Edited to add: I'm also struck by Lu's interpretation of what Jacques said about her drinking. She was emphatic that Jacques said she wasn't an alcoholic. That's not what he said on camera though. In fact he seemed a bit concerned about her need to limit her drinking to ONE glass if wine. And he's French and in the wine business! Perhaps it's possible he said off camera he doesn't believe she's an alcoholic, but on camera he seemed concerned for her. I do think people in denial hear what they WANT to hear...not what is actually said.

Absolutely frickin' nuttin!

Awwh...hope i didn't sound snarky...i just meant "agree to disagree...all is good" 🙂

Zach: "blah, blah, blah"

Uhm...we are all just sharing our thoughts here. They both seem to be acting abusively. It's a tv show. Maybe it's scripted...idk. Maybe they are great guys irl. But the behavior shown on the show looks abusive to me. I don't mind that you don't agree. Lololololololol I don't know...i kinda luv these two.

Lying and intentional projection are tools abusive people use. I spent too much of my life tip toeing around abusers because it's scary to confront them.

Yay!! They are backkkk... I'm not just dreaming out my ass!! Lolololololol

Yeah...but how do we know anything about this poor girl? It's such a horrible position she is in. I wonder how she would act if she wasn't being attcked by all the lies. Maybe she would be unlikable...but ... i mean...maybe she would be likeable.

Not really believing instragram gurl.

Yep! Perfectly stated.

Wow...Micheal and Zach are both masters at projection. No one deserves to be subject to that kind of abuse.

Nope

Apparently she isn't appropriately excited about her pretend vaca...yea...o.k. then...

I'm still laughing about the "but my dreams are IMPORTANT to MEEE" couple- haha! It's so silly. I mean he wants to build a TREEHOUSE (a REALLY, REALLY big one) and compose a CHRISTMAS song! It's adorable... But I could also see it being irritating if it was my DH talking so stoopid. But ... my reaction would be more of a roll my eyes and move on type of reaction. That little girl ranting that her husband should NOT WRITE A CHRISTMAS SONG had me rolling off my couch in a fit of giggles. Best t.v. EVER!! 🙂

Right? Everything you said! 🙂

Ug! I just don't get the Whitney love on this thread. He's just a run of the mill, thinks he's better than others 'cause his mommy married money sorts. B O R I N G. Money really brings out one's character, and Shep and Whitney's caracters are frat boy, mean boy. It's clear that neither have EARNED this money that they think makes them superior. Shep is just an aged out bloated frat boy. You know the type that seemed charming when you first met him at a party when you were a little drunk. And now you see that he's always at some pathetic party and clearly you must have been much drunker than you thought when you met him. Whitney is such a poser. Such a poser. He's an EP so he's not even being caught off guard. He actually thinks this behavior he and his mommy are displaying is interesting/entertaining. It isn't. They look like complete fools. Come on the scene an episode are so back with mommy eating a burger with a glass of wine cramped in the backseat of her car. Just stoopid AF. People with monefy AND dignity don't act like this. Ug! Poor Craig. Just poor Craig. Something is NOT right with him and judging from his college friends it hasn't been right for a long, long time. Same with Catherine. That gurl got issues. Neither if these people are functioning at an adult level.

Here's my humble take: Lu- there is something wrong with this woman. I'm not convinced alcohol is the root issue, but this gurl got issues. Could it be a different sort of drug? Is it a mental health issue? (that's my guess). Reality shows don't attract the most emotionally healthy participants afterall. Beth- classic, TEXTBOOK codependent. It makes sense given her background. Every single thing in her life revolves around her codependency; her charity, her needing to order for everyone, her taking care of Sonja when she drank too much and CERTAINLY her stepping in to be Lu's savior. The problem with codependents is that they have their whole identity wrapped up in helping or appearing to help others (whether the other person wants the help or not...i'm looking at you Lu). And they need constant attention and acknowledgment for their sacrifices and their efforts. They are nothing without this acknowledgment. Beth is in a constant state of panic that she isn't getting this attention. So of course it is always about her. Codependents are as self centered in their need for acknowledgement as any narcissist. Tinsley- there is something there. All the women were upset with her for reasons that didn't make any sense. These women are co-workers...maybe work friends to an extent. They are not actual friends...social friends. I got the impression the rest of the women thought Tinsley wasn't doing her job or something. Or at least didn't deserve her job. (There was talk about how she didn't even live in NY which would make her a weird choice for the job). There was definitely a "3rd line" as Mona would say that they were trying not to break when they were all attacking Tins. Romona- she has a serious learning disability. Dyslexia? I'm dyslexic and I recognize her complete lack of phonics skills. But her disability is more than merely dyslexia. She seems to have some sort of processing issue. And it's very pronounced. Listen i think she is a complete self centered bitch, but I'm not going to call her stupid. She has some untreated disabilities that make her sound stupid though.

Obviously none of us can actually diagnose Puke on social media . . . but . . . I see so many similarities between Puke and my husband of 27 years. My H is diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder with several Antisocial traits. It is NOT a pretty diagnosis. He is considered a "sociopath". This is how they look. They are not all sexual deviants. They are condescending, glib, self centered, lairs who gaslight people around them. Their words don't match their actions. They throw others under the bus to achieve some "upper hand" in relationships. They think this is the way all people view relationships (as constant "black and white" / "win and lose" sort of game). To feel better about themselves they must make others feel worse about themselves. They think everyone is lying and manipulating them, and they have every right to do it back in spades to others. Withholding affection is a trademark of this sort of personality. To outside people, they can appear fairly normal though with a disconnect. It just seemed so classic that the other men are talking about the pending decision in front of them and Puke literally has given it no thought at all. They protect themselves by staying detached and unresponsive (and unresponsible). They keep their options open and their feelings they can acknowledge to themselves guarded. They tend to be passive aggressive. (I think it's not easy to live in the world they think we all live in . . . it's a constant "fight or flight" mode. So they have constant anger.) They did not develop empathy for whatever reason. But they want a relationship. They want someone to be devoted to them. They want the benefits they see others getting. But because they do not have empathy they don't know that they also have to give back. I would never judge Kate harshly. This stuff is CRAZY MAKING. She is just in a constant state of confusion now. I wish her the best. I hope she RUNS!!! (And I will add that Puke's mother just gave me the CREEPS; that weird hand holding, looking sincerely concerned and then SLAMMING Kate with her words "Soooooo how will it feel when you realize what a failure you are???" It honestly reminded me so much of my MIL. I can see the dynamic that may have disabled Puke. It's really all so sad.)

So glad to (hopefully) see the last of Danielle, her limp hair, her GIANT forehead, and her vocal fry. Gwad, she's annoying. Bobby deserves better. Awwww Shawniece, Jephte just isn't the one. When they visited the wedding site, and Jephte was reminiscing, he actually said that he didn't know what to expect on the wedding day because 'it was "my first wedding" afterall'. That just says volumes. :(

Yep. But that's EXACTLY how passive aggressive emotional withholding pricks operate...they make it a point to say "it's not me, it's you". Danielle makes a point out of saying she's over flowing with love for her dog.. her exes...well anyone but Bobby. And yet, here she is...looking for someone who doesn't know her to marry her. Noooo...that girl is just too gleeful when called out on being emotionally distant. She acts like "yes!! It worked!" I don't doubt there are real issues there...that there is damage to explain her behavior. But she's a grown woman with a husband and child. She's no victim. She's abusive. And I don't get that vibe from Jephte...he just doesn't care for Shawneice. I think she may have come on too strong or something. He's just not that into her. Jephte seems to need to be convinced to stuck around. Danielle not intending in going anywhere. She loves the power she wields.