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Well, I honestly didn't count so I can't say if she exaggerated with the language but I'm certain all three of them were swearing at some point or another and that definitely wasn't reflect in the way we heard her retelling the story. She's not entirely wrong. LVP does have her own way of punishing or making her friends aware that she is upset with them and that includes icing them out in group situations or taking jabs at them while pretending that things are good between them. However, in this particular case, I don't think it's surprising or at all baffling why she wouldn't want to be the one to reach out first. Dorit and Kyle are the ones that are both making the accusations and also saying they want to work things out with LVP - well then it makes sense why you would be the one to reach out first. It would be nice if LVP did reach out but don't complain that she isn't reaching out when you haven't tried yourself either.

Kyle repeating that story is a wonderful example of why I never give most people the full impact of a reaction when I hear just their side of the story. Kyle repeated that story to the women in a way that made it seem (at least from that little bit we saw and the way she described it in her TH) that she was the picture of calmness and sensibility and they went off the rails. Both sides raised their voices and got angry. Neither side handled the situation well. LVP, you’re already getting your kitchen. Associating the demolition of the kitchen to the bad memory of Kyle standing in the space is just being extra. I get that the BH women tend to have mean girl/bully-ish tendencies but LVP, if you aren’t going to admit that you aren’t blameless, at least stop it with the over-the-top delicate flower routine. And I’m pretty sure Kyle is in the situation not because she wouldn’t say LVP would never sell the story, she’s in this situation because she decided what she believed and inserted herself into the situation trying to get LVP to admit to something, not to first listen and work with her to figure out how to address the situation. I don't understand why anyone, especially Dorit, would be shocked that they wouldn't be invited to the birthday and that LVP would not be speaking with them. Kyle threw all of them under the bus and made it known that Dorit said LVP sold the story and they all believe it. Yeah, even that is not going to earn fake pleasantries and meaningless invites. Good call by Denise that she didn't talk about the drinks mix up (if that's what it was) and that she didn't really try to get into a full conversation with LVP about the situation. The women looked thoroughly disappointed that Denise didn't even try to have that conversation with her and bring back information to the group. If they're so bothered, by not just reach out to LVP yourself to talk? If she declines your invite, then at least you can say you tried. But accusing a friend (Dorit, Kyle) of something and then thinking that they will be the first to call you doesn't seem like a typical expectation. If I had a conversation with a friend that went south and absolutely not how I intended it for it to go, I would be the one reaching out and saying that I'd really like to talk and see if we can sort things out because I hadn't expected nor wanted that conversation to go the way it did and maybe there was a better way for both of us to have handled things. Meh, Camille's comments about her teeth weren't that bad. She had a few drinks in her and said something out loud that I know many people have probably had thoughts about but thought better than to say it out loud at the moment. It's not like she was piling on LVP, it's something, in her drunken state, made sense to share as part of the conversation of her dental background.

Wait, so Kathy married rich, made the man sell his home to purchase a new home and then when she died, she gave him a year to get his ass out so that the entire house go to her child(ren) even though his money was also invested in the home? That's savage. I'm learning a lot about their family dynamics from some of these responses and recalling the things I've heard about Kathy - like her obsession with her children being famous as well as Kim mentioning that she was pushed to take on roles. Maybe that was what Kim was told in order to convince her to take jobs that she didn't want to take? Or maybe, Kim is conflating 'needing money' with a less desirable truth that even against her own desires, she was pushed to work because of her mother's own desires while disregarding what Kim wanted. I think Kim is at a point in life where she needs to take responsibility for the repetitively bad choices she has made, but I also think there's truth in Kim's childhood being a contributing factor to her issues and how she has chosen to deal with them. The one consistency I'm reading about their mother and childhood is that their mom hasn't nor likely ever would win a parent of the year award with some of the things I'm hearing about her.

Caroline can be annoying (who hasn't had their moments) but I could tolerate her over constantly see Danielle back on my screen...that fucking psycho. I don't find Caroline's response all that arrogant...in fact, based on the way she's describing it, I can understand why she would tell them to shove it. Caroline has a history with 3 of the 6 full-time cast members (Teresa, Melissa and Dolores), 4 if you count part-timer, Danielle. It makes more sense than them handing out one-year contracts to Jennifer or Jackie to see how they manage with the existing cast. Who thought it would be a good idea to go to an original cast member and ask them to work for free until you decide if she's worthy to be given a contract when you clearly have no issue handing out contracts to newbies without any evidence of what they can or will bring to the show. I'm not offended for Caroline...I'm more surprised at the idiots that were running that negotiation who thought it would be a good idea to pitch their idea like that.

This isn't the first time that Whoopi has interpreted a news story in a completely different way than many others (and at times not recognizing historical aspects to a subject) and so her input will come across as nonsensical to me. But to be fair, I do find her to be someone who has difficulty outputting her thoughts in a clear and concise way. There are times where her responses are relevant to the topic but I feel like I have to dig into her answer to fully understand what she was trying to say...often times she doesn't need half of the words she uses to make her point.

Of course she tries to be cordial...until she doesn't get her way so it doesn't really matter what she's naturally inclined to if the end result is often watching her moan, groan, roll her eyes, fold her arms, huff and puff, scream and interrupt. Abby most of the time mirrors Meghan's sentiments so it's not a 3 vs 1 scenario and in many situations, Sunny draws on her legal background to make her point or to put questions out there so I don't think it's fair to lump her in with Joy and Whoopi simply because in essence it seems like she's agreeing with them. There's a depth and breadth to a lot of her commentary that the other women can't bring to the conversation and the extent of their input relies on conversations with friends, personal experience or sharing convenient poll numbers and statistics. While I don't use a stop watch when watching the show, it does seem like Meghan does get quite a bit of time to speak. And what I think cancels out your point is that Meghan often times does get to rebuttal and get to make the last point when she shows indication that she has something to say. It doesn't mean it's professional or appropriate for her to interrupt and then lash out when they don't let her. All of your points touch on the format of the show but none of this provides any good reason for why Meghan behaves the way she does (and frankly, I don't think there's one you can give me) and that, for me, is my issue with her. The women signed contracts that say that their role is to share their opinions on selected topics - they are doing their job and I don't think they need to cater to her and reward her temper tantrums.

The spot where they had dinner at the beginning of the episode looked beautiful. I know many people that suffer from anxiety. While I understand that it may vary from person to person, I have never seen someone behave like when when dealing with it. I don't want to say that she's making up these anxiety issues...but I do think it very possibly that the way she's dealing with them is because she does want people to know so the attention is on her. Anxiety is not about outwardly diagnosing the severity of your attack. Stop asking how you look and just ask yourself how you feel? Scheana's insecurities are exhausting - I see her point, but I don't agree with how she arrived at her point. Of all the things, to have that revelation because Lala didn't make out with her at the club...lol. People do some out of the box things for their pets so I'm not bothered by their event, but I don't understand why they would be surprised by the others not wanting to come. I thought Stassi was out of line comparing Racquel to a woman that was in love with a cult leader and murderer. That's not witty at all. Also, Racquel seems to be really aggravated with how difficult it is to land a more regular spot on this show with everyone freezing her out because of James...or so it seems because I don't see why she needs to make friends with those particular people. Bille is so extra...she thinks that she was walking away to avoid doing or saying something stupid AFTER cussing at her boss. Yeah boo, you're real smart. I get why Billie may feel sensitive to being left out of things, but acting like you're entitled to be a part of other people's experiences is not how you healthily cope with those past issues and it certainly won't earn you kindness if you react with abrasiveness. I thought Brittany handled it well and I was half expecting for Billie to push back. Thankfully, she didn't. I can't get over LVP's outfit in this last part of this episode. She looked like grandma hobbling in heels when she was walking alongside Sandoval outside, lol. Schwartz's cheques bouncing, lol. It did take a year for LVP to cash the cheques but there were too many opportunities for Schwartz to have corrected that issue before the cheques getting bounced...the most obvious being the point when LVP told them that she would be cashing the cheques. At the very least, he could have flagged the issue with her and let her know that he needed to re-issue.

I'm sorry but I'm not following this logic at all. This just reads as one big excuse for putting the onus on other people for how Meghan McCain chooses to behave. That is the crux of the issue. Meghan gets called a bitch regardless of what she says because the term bitch is applied to the way she ACTS. You're saying Meghan's opinion deserves respect. It gets respect. That is demonstrated in the way we see her co-hosts concede time for her to make her points without interruption. It is demonstrated in the consistency of their professionalism regardless of whether they agree with her or not. There is absolute irony is that you're saying the point of the show is to have women with different views but then you say that her co-hosts should temper their opinions on Trump so as to not force Meghan into the spoiler role. Abby also plays that role as another Republican at the table and her interactions with her co-hosts are much more pleasant than what we see with Meghan. Both sides see each other as contrary - disingenuous to suggest that it is only the Republican side that is made to seem that way when the Republicans at the table do the same. Now to be fair, I can't say that everyone would stop harping on Meghan if she only improved the way she behaves on the stage, but for me, that has been the biggest issue with watching her (and why I've essentially stopped watching). I've disagreed with many women on the show, both Republican and Democrat, and I have only taken issue with a woman on the show when they demonstrate unprofessional behaviour (including Joy and Whoopie walking off the stage during a Bill O'Reilly interview).

They seem petty enough to be upset about it but I suspect that the questions and answers won't really bring new information. If I were doing an interview about a bunch of women I disliked and expected to have several questions asked about them, I would just respond with 'who?' each time.

The older picture of Erika and Kyle...I can believe that's Erika (there are a lot of similarities there) but she also looks like someone else I can't put my finger on. In any case, if that's Erika, it only serves to convince me that Erika was always a basic bitch that realized that to be noticed, you have to stand all the way out. She's basically pulling a Lady Gaga (which I didn't care for either). At least Gaga has real talent but I've never appreciated or given credit to artists for crafting an image for the sake of attention and not representative of who you are as a person. I guess the only reason Erika has to claim an alter ego is because she can't be caught dead walking out in Erika Jayne outfits when she's with the husband.

In fairness, being an asshole can include verbal abuse. I don't doubt that being sick would make Greg angrier and less patient - sickness is a big disrupter in one's life and even though Greg is good for the cameras, I'm not inclined to believe that he's always that way. That said, I've seen the things Nene has said and the subtle things she has done ON camera which makes me inclined to believe that she is also verbally abusive and that together, their behaviours are unhealthy. Just my theory, but based on Nene's recent complaints, it seems Greg's behaviour is mostly induced by his illness...Nene's behaviour is just because she's Nene.

Nene can't act. I've only seen clips of her work (and I don't think there's any need to see more than that), but her acting is basically her personality that you see in her THs. Anything beyond 'herself', you see her struggle to emote via her facial expressions and speech. She gets work because she has an agent that actively pursues projects on her behalf and can use her existing platform as part of her resume. Many HWs don't branch into acting simply because they don't really care to.

Good! And when she leaves, you can stop watching as can others and ABC can see what the difference is between hiring someone for controversy and hiring someone who can at least make people laugh amidst the despair going on in the world.

I can't wait for Joy to leave this show. There better be a tell-all book and I'm convinced it's going to be juicy.

Kourtney should have invited Kris Humphries.

That's what therapy is. In some context or another, what you share at therapy is going to be related to the feelings, experiences, and concerns of the person who is receiving the therapy. That's the entire point. That said, when we're talking about therapy sessions shown on reality TV shows, I don't find it very honest or authentic. It seems like a very calculating way to share your own narrative to the audience while having someone there that is going to in ways reinforce your beliefs. And I certainly don't trust any therapist that agrees to just randomly take on a client in front of the cameras.

Interpretations may vary but I took it more as being relative to her position on the show and not literal. Nene is old because her game is stale, predictable and tiresome. She plays the same song and dance where she alternates between honing in on one or two people, and if she's lucky, she'll have a number of other women with issues with the same castmember and so all of her comebacks seem funnier because everyone wants to laugh at that person's expense, and she also mixes in seasons where she gets too big for britches and thinks she can go after multiple people, talk shit about them, make claims against them and then play victim when they don't roll over and take her abuse. These are usually the times where she tries to instigate drama with other people only to place herself in a room where everyone's coming for her with bones to pick (the elephant room, the therapist session, this season). Given that this is one of those seasons, I suspect there will be at least one walk-off by her and maybe some tears because that's how Nene rolls. When it gets too hot, walk-off, pretend you're taking the high road when in actuality, you've been the only person rolling around in the mud.

Hahaha, go for it. Show Miss Sheree how it's done 😉

Nene is a tired old bitch and I'm about done watching this fool continue to act like a fool and still somehow have fans who blow smoke up her ass and feed her delusional sorry ass. She's rolling her eyes and doing her fake petty smile and then when asked why she's mad, she says she's not mad. Bitch, you're mad. She says Porsha doesn't support her, when asked specifically for when and how Porsha hasn't supported her, she cut the conversation short and said 'well, why do you care?'. She keeps making this claim about a conspiracy to set her up...she hasn't explained what the hell the set up would be about. If you're going to claim a conspiracy, don't you at least have to have a reason for why such a claim would even be the least bit reasonable to suggest? Nene will reach in every which way she can to make herself the victim. And no greater example of her delusion is that she's going around making making fun of other people's bodies when her big ass sits among all of these women who are smaller than her minus Porsha. When was the last time Nene wasn't the biggest woman on the show outside of anyone that wasn't pregnant? She's got some nerve.

She made her point plenty, enough that she was repeating herself. - The women think you leaked the story -I'm just telling you what the consensus is among everyone And this is where Kyle's 'I'm just telling you what everyone is saying' started melting into 'I also think you did it' - Just because you do something bad doesn't mean I don't love you anymore and if I did something bad you wouldn't stop loving me - Just own up to it - Yes, I believe you sold this story - (LVP swears on her children), Kyle continues with yes, I believe you did it. I have to ask, what point was Kyle unable to make? When they spoke over her, it's exactly because she made her point and they didn't appreciate it.

Particularly agree about the two faced part. I agree that Ken didn't insert himself until he saw his wife getting increasingly upset but a huge factor for me is that Kyle went into THEIR home and behaved that way. Slammed her hands on the counter to make her points, dropping f bombs, raising her voice and refusing to leave. The more aggressive thing about what he did was that he was pointing his finger but it was clear that he was pointing as an expressive gesture not because he was tempted to strike Kyle. Kyle didn't feel threatened and he wasn't trying to be and so it's purely convenient and calculating to paint his behaviour as aggressive, in my opinion.

Obsession with celebrity culture gets increasingly dangerous especially with growing social media platforms where celebrities can interact with fans, share personal aspects of their lives and people begin feeling like they really know these people.

It makes me sick that people took time out of their day to show up and support a woman who is absolutely guilty of the crime that is being charged against her. So many great causes to show up to and make a difference in your society and they showed up to take pictures and get an autograph of a celebrity who used her wealth to take advantage of a system that in the end, robbed a well deserving kid of their dream to pursue their education at an establishment of their choice. I'd bet a lot of money that not a single one of those people had a child that could potentially be affected by her snake antics because if they did, they would be there telling Aunt Becky to take several fucking seats, not smiling and asking for autographs.

I'm really interested to see what happens with the ratings once LVP officially stops filming. Not because I think she is what brings in the ratings, but because the cast and the show have promoted the rise and 'epic' fall out between the women and LVP as the pivotal moment of the season and yet, it's been their poorest start in the history of the franchise. All of that build up hasn't really resulted in much and it makes me wonder if this behaviour year after year is finally having people give up and tune out. This is the most frustrating franchise to watch because it's so contrived. It's like all of these wannabe Hollywood stars can't help themselves. Nothing seems like an honest reaction and every damn season, the returning women's beef is always related to something that happened off camera. Something that the viewers can't truly have an informed opinion on because shit happens behind the scenes and it's always turning into a he said/she said situation. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills is the poster child for beating a dead horse.

I personally don't think she planted the story. I would be okay with them wiping the slate clean with all of them...maybe keep Denise. At this point in the season, the ratings are shaping up to be the worst of any season in the show's history. The only one that I think started off worse was season 1 and that's because people were still feeling it out but by episode 4, their ratings were trending high and this show so far has been trending downward. Their peak soo far was the episode where they arrived in the Bahamas. Even LVP and Kyle's showdown didn't beat out that episode despite it being one of the pivotal moments that they season teased.