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I took this as Kandi doing her business thing and living out the credo, "You'll never get it if you don't ask for it". I assumed Kandi knew they didn't deserve top billing, but she also wanted to be on the record on national tv that Xscape gets top billing on concerts. It's about how future promoters approach her.

But who would film with Gizelle? Only Ashley would be sitting on her couch at that point, because Karen, Wendy, Candiace and Robyn would be on one side. Gizelle is savvy enough to know that Ashley and (possibly) Mia isn't much of a team. Now if Charisse was staying around I could see it. but without her or some new sycophant, Gizelle definitely would have team throw-you-under-the-bus which she would never be okay with.

Exactly. And then he positions himself as being "shocked" when she says things that he is well aware of

When she said that he worked for R.Kelly, my ears perked up. After watching him with his wife I can see he's right on brand for the Pied Piper of R&B.

The "HBCU experience" is about being in a classroom that is often full of other people of color, being instructed by people of color and where the curriculum often includes a focus on how what is being taught impacts communities of color. In a degree for public health, that would not be the same at a UGa or Emory. While the social side of attending an HBCU often gets highlighted, people often lose sight of the fact that there may be substantial differences the kinds of education you receive when it is taught through that prism, especially if you are looking to provide services in and to those same communities of color. Doctors are still practicing with disturbing beliefs about physical differences in patients of color. All the medical students and residents with these beliefs went through schools where they were not taught that there is no difference in pain or skin thickness based solely on the color of one's skin. So, there may have been completely valid professional reasons for choosing the Meharry program. I am in agreement with you that they should have worked harder to identify someone who could help in the home, but I also recall that there were 1-2 young ladies that were babysitters/tutors/etc. that were shown during that season as well.

She went to Meharry which is the number two medical school for black doctors in the US. Sure, she could have gone to a local school, but perhaps she wanted the experience of attending an HBCU. Also keep in mind that the medical community for black doctors isn't very large. I'm sure she was well known in ATL, and perhaps didn't want to be taught by people that she had already worked with/associated with as colleagues. I'm not going to hate on her simply because she chose to be educated at an HBCU vs a PWI

I agree. Folks should definitely listen from the beginning in order. It also helps create an understanding about her current level of anger/frustration/etc. She came to realize pretty quickly that the problem was Alex or Alex/Corey or Alex/Corey/Russell. It's the way corruption and self-dealing has become normalized in the low country, and the fact that they people that are held up as being the pillars of the community are all focused around scratching each other's backs to assure they remain wealthy and in power. The average person kicked out of law school for cheating would not have been able to come back after a semester time out. The average person arrested for DWIs would have been fingerprinted, processed and had mug shots taken. The average person would not have been able to overdraft their account for $100k with no adverse actions. It gives a whole new meaning to the documentaries when you hear the kids talk about how the Murdaugh's were "up here" and they were "down here" and it's heartbreaking.

I think that the wheelhouse for this show is things that SHOULD be important that people are not talking about. We have a rampant mental health crisis in the US following the pandemic, and rather than simply shrugging every time some elderly person gets attacked in the street for no reason, or someone gets pushed in front of a train, or a new school shooting occurs, we should absolutely be talking about whether there is value to exploring the use of psychedelics and the possible repercussions for allowing Big Pharma to stake a claim in this space. Whether its bail reform, CRT, tort liability, police training or medical debt, these are all critical issues which NO ONE is covering, and which need to be discussed. The show seems to veer away from things like Russiagate, January 6th, and other topical controversies that will be covered by "real" journalists. The LWT deep dives always make me think, and I believe there is real value to that.

He's in the hospitality industry. Legitimate food and beverage companies do not want to hire employees with histories of inappropriate behavior, especially when they are going to be responsible for overseeing events where liquor will be served. Plenty of people who do not watch reality tv use Google, and if you Google Chris' name, first thing that comes up is all of the reality tv stuff. His cooking, blog, youTube, etc. is several pages down.

Because people don't want to work with someone who has multiple accusations of inappropriate behavior with women. It's a "where there's smoke there's fire" attitude. Why do you find this narrative hard to believe? At the end of the day, Candiace and Wendy are so pissed about Gizelle's position in this specifically because the multiple, made up, then exaggerated claims do have real world impacts. At least with Ashley, one can look to the motivation of "your husband was poorly treated, so you want to get back by treating another husband the same way." But in Gizelle's case her position was "you did something, I felt a certain way about it, I didn't say anything at the time, and so now that you know you should apologize for making me feel that way". She knew that Chris did not say anything inappropriate or do anything other than STAY IN A ROOM TO HAVE A PRIVATE DISCUSSION AFTER REALIZING THAT NO ONE ELSE WAS THERE. GIzelle's ole' "every man tries me ass" could have easily said "this is a bad look, let's step out in the hallway" or "let me call Robyn and tell her to come up here" but she 1) didn't do the adult thing at the time 2) didn't do the adult thing later when she realized she "felt a way" 3) didn't do the adult thing when she saw Candiace or Chris multiple times before the season started and 4) didn't do the adult thing after the cameras rolled. At every turn she chose to act like a wounded damsel in distress and for someone who claims to be smart and accomplished, acting like she has no agency is a ridiculous look.

A couple of things I've been mulling over. I went back and watched the whole Karen and Robyn discussion in Mexico about Juan's infidelity, and I wonder if Robyn thought that Karen was about to spill the beans about the Canadian goose? The whole thing is far more interesting when you know that 1) that woman had been reaching out to cast members to share her dirt, and 2) Robyn was well aware of the goose and was halfway through the season keeping that story under wraps. Thinking the story was coming out explains why she pulled out the blue-eyes picture and why she called Juan on camera. She absolutely wanted his denials on the record. Another thing I spotted on a second watch was Wendy making the point to Ashley that when they (Wendy, Ashley, Candiace) hang out off-camera everyone has a good time, so why can't they be friends? So, it does appear that Wendy and Candiace socialize at least some away from the group. My guess is that it would be more if they were at similar points in their lives (either both childless or both with kids)

Yep, a friend of mine worked there at the same time. She knows Gizelle, but is a child of God, so isn't willing to share any gossip 😂

It's interesting to me that this continues to be positioned as a Robyn problem and not a Juan problem. Robyn isn't holding Juan hostage. He didn't have to 1) propose or 2) get remarried, and the fact that he did both of those things while very clearly behaving as if he didn't want to do either of them speaks to some super deep level of cognitive dissonance. Comments continue to be made that Juan's cheating is Robyn's issue. Her only issue is not being clear that she'd rather be a wife to a half-faithful Juan than single. At the same time, I'm wondering why any woman would walk around in branded paraphernalia with a known philanderer. He clearly keeps picking women that also don't have a ton of discretion or self-esteem.

I don't think this is the case. I believe Bali's family is in floral sales. There was a scene earlier in the season where Bali was trying to get her mom's attention while the mother was working to ask about a dress she was taking to the wedding. Bali was chastising her mom for selling rainbow flowers/balloons to someone and said that they were tacky. She commented on the fact that her mother was in floral sales and that she always called her clients something like "dearest" or "sweetie". I think it was the family business, Bali was employed in it, and then has also worked elsewhere in the industry.

The speculation is that Parker was looking at all of the Murdaugh related cases as a way to gain leverage and reduce his own liability. I believe he wanted to get out without having to pay anything and he was preparing to throw all of the allegations at Paul just being a bad guy out in court to see if any of it would stick. He would have used the rumors that Buster was involved with Steven and that Paul or Buster was directly involved in Steven's death to claim that Paul was mostly at fault and that he had a history of doing bad things and getting away with it. Another theory is that it was a deal between he and Alec to cover up anything that could be used by the Beach family in the trial to discredit Paul or Alec. Either way, the takeaway is that the rich guys were looking out for one another.

My understanding is that Maggie was shot in the back indicating that she was trying to get away. I'm trying to figure out even with all the hunting that went on at that property and among that family if they were so attuned to the sounds of close gunfire that whomever was the second one killed didn't suspect something was up. As for the millions, my guess is that a sizeable amount of it went just to their lifestyle. My understanding is that they flew private anytime they traveled, they took lavish trips (the fishing trip that they took Mallory on, the final four, etc.), Maggie spent a ton of money on clothes and cars, and they had multiple homes - none of that is cheap. Alec had managed to keep this whole house of cards afloat for over 20 years, but at some point, there are no more rabbits in this hat. The speculation has been that the Beach's civil suit was going to create a perfect storm - Alec/Paul was certainly going to be assessed with liability and would have to come up with money that they didn't have. At the same time, Alec couldn't tell anyone he was poor with the multiple houses, the cars, and all the conspicuous consumption. As for the "other crimes", it's clear just from the issues with Palmento State Bank and the conservatorships that there was if not outright corruption, then certainly at least incompetence or lack of oversight. The fact that conservators were not being asked by the court to document anything, that the attorneys were outright lying about the state of their cases, and no one was saying or doing anything is a problem. And then, of course, the cozy relationship between the solicitor, state legislators, the university, etc. all create grounds for looking into just what the hell is going on in SC.

The problem with his policing of her words was that he read into her words an intent that was not there. He projected his insecurities onto what she said, built up a head of righteous indignation then exploded all over Amrit first and then Lavina and Suresh. The proper way to respond would have been to start with the question "what do you mean", allow her to explain then police if necessary.

I think this may have been what caused them to split from Fits News. I noted that Will Folks appears in this documentary. Also, that they cited Liz Farrell's reporting about Paul's favorable treatment when he was finally charged. But it also included the woman from the WSJ that Mandy Matney claims used her as a source then credited her as a "blogger" rather than an investigative journalist. So, yeah, she's not happy with these people either. This version did include a LOT more than what was in the HBO Max series. The focus on Paul, his relationships with the other kids in the boat, his abuse of his girlfriend, and Alec and Maggie's nonchalant attitude towards his abuse of alcohol are all areas that I haven't heard a lot about before now.

Gizelle worked for the NAACP prior to her HW gig. A very middle-income, middle management position which allowed her to live in the DC suburbs, but not a HW level of floss position at all. Off the show she got 1) her (short-lived) successful cosmetics line, 2) her podcast, 3) random acting and appearance gigs and 4) hosting that other (short-lived) Bravo chat show.

I am not at all a Candiace fan, but I don't think there is any evidence that this is true. Just because a child does not appear on the show, does not mean that they are being ignored by their parent. You don't know if 1) the kids decided not to participate in the show 2) the custodial parent decided not to allow the kids to participate in the show or 3) the kids filmed, but their interaction was edited out/was not used by the show. And, Candiace had the hair business and Chris was working/has worked every season since they have been on the show. In fact, they argued about the fact that Chris was working 6-7 days a week and for extremely long hours. No signs that either of them don't work hard.

My assumption is that Bravo brought Mary back because now that they have decided that every HW show has to have diversity, they had a problem with the loss of Jen. There aren't that many women of color who 1) fit into the HW demo and 2) don't mind famewhoring for Bravo. Think about it you have to: Have significant/considerable/demonstrable wealth; Not have a job or have a job where your appearance on the show will not be problematic; Have a spouse whose job isn't going to give him a hard time for you appearing on the show; Have a "storyline" that's compelling That's a lot to ask for... in a town that's 95% white.

I thought this was an interesting take on the Juan and Robyn situation.

Juan isn't quite broke. Some public reports are that he is making as low as $100k, but if you look at the other coaches in the league he plays in (MEAC) they are all in the $200-300k range. He's bringing in enough money that he could support that family in Baltimore County, even if Robyn were a stay at home mom. My guess is that between them they are making $750k+ annually.

See this was the only thing I did believe about this story. If a woman is "dating" a Ravens player AND talking to Juan, odds are she is a professional sidepiece. That being the case, the FB player wants her the distance of plausible deniability, not 5 minutes away from the facility where any of his co-workers, their wives or girlfriends who might be in the area could spot his car in the hotel parking lot. Having said that "Juan felt sorry for her" is high-school levels of ridiculousness.

One of the worst fights I had with my SO was the week before our wedding, and we've managed to last over 15 years. The stress of wedding planning often causes friction between couples. I wouldn't read anything into it beyond that.