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I'm not sure whether it was ever stated on the show how old Camille was exactly when Marian died (or Marian for that matter), but she read to me as pre-teen or very young teen. Roughly the same age Amma, an eight grader, is now. She actaully reads younger than Amma, but I think that's more to do with Amma's personality. So, 12 or 13 would be my guess.

*slaps forehead* Doh. Of course. I don't know why my mind went straight to romantic partner. Thanks.

How old was Anne Nash when she did it? In no way do I believe that story happened with Camille. Adora was simply parroting what she heard from Bob Nash and trying to gaslight Camille. Like, I believe Adora must sometimes tell the truth if only because of the law of averages, but I wouldn't believe her if she rold me the sky was blue. And talking of her, she's the perfect representation of Amma's fucked up view of interpersonal relationships. She has power over her 'friends', they all come to Calhoun's Day and sip alcohol on her porch (they do what she wants), but they gossip about here right there as well (they don't like her). Alan on the other hand, mostly sticks up for her, limpidly though it may be, and takes her sexual favors when she feels like granting them.

Sorry, what? I don't remember the incident (?) you're referring to. Can you say more? JH is such a scattered interviewee. I was willing to cut her some slack because she mentioned the fact she was biracial the first time she mentioned the blonde hair, so I could read that as code for white. But then she talks about hair again and Bustle includes a pic in which Dinah was blonde. That was fairly hilarious.

I'm not really sure how Becky could have seen it on the field then. Do you think Camille was gping commando?

I'll give this to Dean. He seems gracious about the results.

She was. She tells it to Richard similarly as in the show, during their tour and obscurely. Richard insists it was rape, she pulls the but what if the girl wanted it card.

I have suspicions along those lines. He unclenches more when he’s around EBR.

All three went shopping together in the last episode for one thing, so yes.

What kills me even more is using I instead of we. As in, as for Mary and I... You have swerved too much!

Ah, well there’s the explanation. Jack doesn’t want another kid and the paper could have been prepared for some kind of clean up. What’s the difference between pulling a train and taking a turn? I assumed Camille just used a different phrase for the same thing.

Okay. ?

I am behind you on Gayla, but I don't know that I'm ready to paint the cheerleader with the same brush. She was only on in this episode and it's not like the rest of the women at the so called party got any substantial characterization. In fact, for a character study, most of them are two dimensional. I doubt it was Ashley's blood, especially from the bite. That looked pretty healed over. As for why Natalie would have done it, who knows, just another outlet for boredom? Other kids fuck around and do drugs, Amma spices it up with playing Regina George on roids, so Natalie choses this as an outlet? I didn't think Camille went for the story, I think she did so because Amma pressured her to do it. Just like Adora must have done a million times and she still managed to a few times since Camille's been back. As for Amma, yes, I do think we're supposed to see her as attractive, or at least understand why the characters in the story might feel that way. She's got that fresh, on the cusp of womanhood thing going for her. Still, we've so far seen idiotic young boys respond to her most, and I think that's a mix of her willingness to try out stuff and a strong personality. We've seen her hit on/try to get a rise out of older guys (John) and men (Richard, Mr. Lacey) and they didn't take the bait. Even if I'm still suspicious about Lacey. Speaking of, was he the husband caught jerking over bank statements or whatever? It was mentioned upthread how the taking a turn at a girl after a game was a weekly thing. I can't remember what Camille told Richard, but I got the impression that it was more spaced apart. Can anyone remember what she said?

If we weren't witnessing Adora's and Amma's behavior, that would seem pretty cartoony IMO. So I don't have a problem with the Joya mentions. They don't make me sympathize with Adora, they just add another layer of horror. Joya created Adora, Adora created Amma. I'm sure there's a shithead who created Joya as well. The family legacy includes the ivory floor and psychological and physical torture. Wee.

If anything, I think Amma is too young to be a product of that rape. I got the impression she was born after Camille left home for college. And I think Camille still wasn't a senior when she was raped. She read younger to me. Do you mean Alan? I can't remember a Paul. Didn't Camille either smash or throw away the iPod in an earlier episode? Likely the one that highlighted the roommate.

I honestly wasn't sure if that was a replay or Alan's dream. I'm guessing here it's used to show the contrast. The chief's wife wakes him up, cookshim breakfast and hugs him on the way out. Meanwhile, in the snazzy part of town Alan puts away his fold out bed. Sad trombone. Two scenes are overkill though. They easily could have cut out the one previous week. The only point it seemed to serve was to introduce the chief's wife and that could have been done at the party.

Ashley pushed her hair behind her ear during the interview. That's when Camille spotted it.

Personally, I hope she has a modicum of sense and chose him because he seems like the least likely candidate to give her STD. She’s investigating the murders, so it makes sense to me her mind would wander in that direction. And Natalie being John’s sister means that Ashley likely spent some time with her. John went out the door right before her. It was directed at him. How easily Camille, a grown woman, lets herself be manipulted by a psycho, bratty 13-year-old is too messed up for words. As always, I blame Adora for training her to wish for approval. But I do give Camille heaps of credit for how cool she played it when Adora came into the kitchen the morning after their talk. Glory be, we have found one normal, non-vile person in that place - Camille’s old classmate. Those other women are just crazy, although amusing from time to time. I straight up chuckled when the brunette was shimmying to get onto the chair next to their hostess.

Meredith/Ashley told her about it during the interview the show cut short. But in the show, Camille saw the disformed ear during their interview, so she’s guessing about how it happened. ETA: I think the sign on the hospital said St. Louis.

Do we have any inkling on who the white haired dude might be? I don't really imagine him being important enough to be obscured, half way though it maybe. I also have no idea what could be spoilery on the table and the wall.

Camille makes an observation about Richard being brought up in a stable family. If she's right, he could just be unequipped to handle her traumas. Not just the scars, but the fact that she slept with an 18-year-old murder suspect in a case she was working on. Or maybe it's just the fact that this book is filled with such odious people that Richard's actions didn't really register. If he ever did get in touch, and the show swerves there, I think after Amma is discovered would be the right point.

KC is in Vancouver when she's filming. So a lot less now than in the first few seasons. I don't know how the PA thing is arranged in this case.

Tommy Cole is KC's personal assistant.

Does Tommy Cole being there mean KC was also filming? If so, it would make sense for him to have posted her pic as well.

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