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The whole character of Gwen has been nothing BUT a rehash of soap tropes. How many is this now that have been used to try to make the audience at large care about her? There’s a spoiler out that Gwen tells a “horrific” lie. She’s going to lose her baby that came from another of her horrific lies and she will probably set Abby up to take the blame. Then she can go crying to stupidly gullible Jack and Chad that Abby killed her baby and they will act as if just is NOT possible that Gwen would lie. But, using their logic, Abby should just cry a little and say she’s sorry and Gwen should forgive her. I mean, that’s all they needed Gwen to do. What’s good for one should be good for the other. And dumb dumb Jack says he’s trying to be “fair.” What a ridiculous story. All this hate towards someone who never did anything to her to warrant it. And no, Gwen sitting in the Dimera wine cellar overnight by no means makes Abby the same as Gwen.

This story keeps getting attributed to Riley/Outdaughtered, but I believe this actually happened with the Gosselins/Jon & Kate + 8. Alexis was the one who would wake the other sextuplet sisters up in the middle of the night, so they complained about her. I don't know how it all of sudden became Riley. In fact, on one of the episodes where they were getting ready to leave to go on the Disney cruise, Danielle was pissed at Riley because she was whining because she was cranky after not getting enough sleep because Ava and Olivia had come into her room the night before and woken her up. I remember being perplexed at how Danielle was treating poor Riley, who was just tired and totally innocent, but had nothing but hugs for the two who actually caused the issue. As for the room issue, there's always going to be an odd number. It just sucks that it seems that Adam and Danielle have determined that Riley will always be the odd one out no matter what. It would make more sense if they would rotate when these odd one out situations occur so no one feels left out all the time, but that doesn't seem to be how they approach the situation. It's Ava/Olivia, Parker/Hazel, Riley. This will be to Riley's benefit one day (she will LOVE having her own room), but right now she doesn't understand why she's isolated.

I think there are at least three that need to be in some kind of grief counseling as well. Maybe they already are and they are rightly not airing it to protect the privacy of the children. There are some obvious struggles and resentments that either Erica and Spencer aren't seeing because there's so many of them or they are hoping the issues resolve themselves with time. Emma, Erica's oldest daughter, was the first red flag that I saw. Telling the four-year old, although I'm sure it wasn't intentional, that her grandparents weren't his grandparents and that he shouldn't call them that, was kind of harsh. He's four. He just sees his closest step-siblings calling Dave and Paige grandma and grandpa, so he wants to as well. Not a big deal IMO. But I absolutely see why it would matter to Emma. A couple of other comments from her rubbed me the wrong way too. Again, I don't think she's intentionally trying to be mean, but she could probably benefit from an outlet to talk to. She definitely isn't going to react well to a change in last name, although I would agree with her on that point. Spencer can adopt them and they can keep their last name to honor their father. Emma is all about the separation between the "Means" and the "Shemwells." She's 10, so she doesn't understand, but that constant separation and counting what belongs to the "Means" versus the "Shemwells" isn't good for any of them. The 6 year old Tanner is also another one who needs some counseling. They've already said he's super sensitive, the crying at night, he didn't actually SAY much to be six years old. The 3, 4, and 5 year olds all had more to say than him. And then Spencer's only daughter, Hayley? Hannah? She was definitely mouthy and disrespectful with the "you're not my real sister" and the "you're not my mother" stuff, but she also seemed to be VERY aware of the cameras and "on" for a lot of the time. She seems like she's the only one where time might be enough to work out her issues. Her and Erica's daughter Sophie appear to get along pretty well. Good, and lucky, for the 12-year old boys and the youngest 3 for just clicking and making the best of the situation. Erica and Spencer need to get better control of those youngest 3 though. All that yelling and screaming at bedtime? No, ma'am. ETA: The date of the original post is from 2019?! Has TLC been sitting on this for that long? I wonder why . . .

None of this has played out on screen though. He isn’t saying any of this to Abigail though is he? He’s just telling her she has to get over it b/c Gwen had it rough. This isn’t Jack’s story, it’s Gwen’s. That’s why you won’t get any mention of Jo, or Steve, or any of that history. If it was about Jack, it would have come up already. How much time has been spent on Gwen and how she feels and how she’s been wronged? Yet, the audience is left to speculation about Jack’s motivations. What about those who don’t know Jack’s history? Jack only exists in this story to service Gwen. Show doesn’t care to make any connections about Jack. No one said Jack was a saint or that the parallels will work out exactly the same. I wasn’t arguing that there even ARE any parallels because I don’t see any comparison between Jack’s origin story and Gwen. Jack and Gwen are just like so many other people who had less than ideal upbringings. Jack was held accountable for the wrong way he chose to deal with his situation. Gwen needs to be held accountable as well. I have no problem with him trying to empathize with Gwen. That was a given considering the circumstances. My issue is he isn’t showing that same empathy to Abigail. He’s a completely different person from last summer when Abigail first started suffering from Gwen’s drugging. He was ready to kill whoever hurt his child then, storming into the police station demanding justice, but just b/c it’s Gwen, he’s over it. He can’t even be angry anymore about anything because poor, poor Gwen. He gave Abigail hell for how Jennifer found about him and Kate at the anniversary party, but knowing now that Gwen set the whole thing up? Nothing. Why have to sit through all of that if there’s no payoff. Gwen repeatedly says she doesn’t regret anything she did, so what’s the point? He’s telling Abigail to deal with it and get over all the terrible things Gwen did, but not saying boo to Gwen about all the hurt she caused. He’s putting all the burden on Abigail and letting Gwen walk around continuing to be the unapologetic bitch she’s always been. My problem is that despite having had plenty of time, Gwen hasn’t shown herself to be worth it. Gwen will continue to just flit around making demands and whining how everyone is being unfair to her. She doesn’t even care about Jack. She doesn’t care how her trying to kill and continuing to attack Abigail might hurt Jack. Or how all the other stuff she did to destroy his family might have affected him. Nope. All. About. Her. And no matter what Jack or Gwen feels or doesn’t feel, that does NOT make any of what Gwen has done okay. I’ll continue to think her irredeemable until she does or shows anything about herself that’s redeemable. It’s been plenty of time for her to show SOMETHING, but she’s still attacking Abby for merely existing and now using innocent children to do her dirty work. Cry me a river indeed.

Not quite the same. One MAJOR and crucial difference is that Jack didn’t do all what he did to Steve and Kayla KNOWING Steve was his brother did he? Jack didn’t research Jo and Jo’s other kids and family and deliberately set out to kill them and ruin their lives did he? Jack and Steve had a mutual hate of each other where both had their reasons for not liking the other that had nothing to do with them being related. Them being brothers was a good soapy twist that started Jack on his looong road to redemption. Steve backed off on his hate when he found Jack was Billy, the brother he ALREADY had a bond with and loved dearly. Steve likely would have NEVER have forgiven Jack if that bond wasn’t already there. No such bond exists in this current situation. Abigail and the rest of Gwen’s victims have no similar reason to deal with her. So, no. Jack at his worst was NEVER Gwen. And his family situation doesn’t have the established bonds that were there with Jo/Steve/Adrienne. She will never be a part of that family. She doesn’t want to put in the work. Jack did. It wasn’t just handed to him like Gwen thinks she’s entitled to. Jack actually WAS contrite and did his best to change his behaviors , apologize, and do better. He didn’t expect anything from anyone and accepted that he might ALWAYS be seen as that person he was. Not one glimpse of any of that from Gwen. She just expects people to deal with her because reasons . . . Jo believed in Jack sure, but she wasn’t Jack’s fool like Gwen has made Jack. Jack’s telling everyone who’ll listen how she deserves a second chance because she had a rough childhood and what is Gwen doing? Acting like the same lying, heartless, sociopath she’s always been.

Gwen and “truth” are words that don’t belong in the same sentence. Lying wench who’s done nothing but lie for a year lies again. You can tell a clueless man wrote that tripe coming out of her mouth trying to guilt working moms. Speaking of working, why doesn’t Gwen get a job? Might give her something to do rather than wallow in self-pity If delusional Gwen cared so much about Charlotte crying at night, what did she think Charlotte was going to do if Gwen was successful when she tried to killed her mother? Or when she tried to break up Charlotte’s family? Please. She doesn’t care one iota about Charlotte. She probably hates Charlotte like she does Abigail because Charlotte is going to grow up w/ parents that DARE to love and dote on her. Jack loves her too. Look out Charlotte! STFU and die Gwen. Bitch doesn’t care a bit about ANYONE other than herself. That much is crystal clear. EVERYONE should care about her sad story, but she’s such a sociopath she doesn’t acknowledge for one moment that what she does has so much collateral damage. The Laura stuff is lip service to give Jack a reason to not be completely done w/ her. Real contrition would be apologizing to those who loved Laura most like her kids. Not Jack who isn’t bothered. Offer up an apology to Jennifer Gwen and then maybe someone other than the fool Jack might actually believe you mean it. You might want to try apologizing for trying to kill her child and bust up her marriage while you’re at it. Better yet, apologize to Jennifer, Jack, Abigail, and JJ for ALL your shit Gwen. Maybe then all your incessant whining about not being accepted might actually make sense and not be more of your narcissistic delusions. But she’d have to first actually acknowledge that SHE isn’t the victim. She’s the villain. What was that about “contrite” Jack? Gwen makes him look like a pathetic fool.

You should knock on some wood. He’s the only one Gwen hasn’t targeted directly. He can still be brought in for prop duty in a last ditch effort to make her happen. They seem to be going all out. JJ: “She’s okay. She didn’t do anything to me.” It could happen.

And that’s the only reason she’d be brought back at this point. For Gwen. So Gwen can go, “see I didn’t kill her, I’m not a bad person even though I DID do all those other bad things, just not THIS one. Therefore, b/c of that and my previously mentioned sad story, you should forget about everything else and welcome me w/ open arms! Even though I’ve not shown one bit of remorse or apologized for anything and just demanded that you accept me.” Even the funeral looks to be all about Gwen. The family isn’t going to get to grieve, it’s going to be Gwen skulking about worried about how everything affects HER.

Yep. CM is a vet in this business. She probably sees the story isn’t going to give her anything to do but prop poor, broken, damaged Gwen while ignoring beats that might have been good for character. She probably saw the writing on the wall and peaced out. If there was something to stick around for if MR isn’t coming back, she would have.

You would think, but Jennifer hasn’t been allowed much of a POV on any of this, it’s been all about Gwen and her pain. Jack hasn’t even had much of one. He’s just there for Gwen to whine at and apologize and make excuses for her. This is Gwen’s story and Jack and Jennifer are just propping. Hell, Jennifer can’t even express any realistic anger about Gwen trying to kill her daughter because the show is bending over backwards to excuse all she’s done. It’s kind of crazy that Jack is so suddenly 100% on board. Laura dying will probably be all about poor, damaged Gwen too. She’ll be excused for that too & Jennifer won’t be allowed to react to that either. I’d rather Jennifer be gone. Let Jack enjoy and nurture his sociopath on his own.

So self-aware that she left out poisoning Abigail out of all the things she's done that will keep them from being BFF. She only mentioned sleeping with Chad as if that's the worst crime she's committed against Abigail. And so self-aware that everyone else but her should suffer the consequences for the things that they do, even when they haven't actually done anything. And her figuring out that people will rightfully not want anything to do with her isn't so much self-aware as more of the obvious conclusion to come to. She certainly is capable of killing though isn't she? She's just been lucky enough that she hasn't been successful yet. That we know of. But if people keep blaming others and refusing to hold her accountable for the things she CHOOSES to do? She'll succeed one of these days. It doesn't matter if she didn't mean to kill Laura if she and Jack don't try to get her help and/or cover it up. They will have let her die. But I'm sure that'll make Jennifer et. al feel better. That she didn't mean it. She did mean to kill Abigail though. But that's different because Laura paid her mother off a long time ago right? Everything she's done is okay and she gets a pass because . . . Laura. Laura made her posion Abigail. Laura made her sleep with Chad. Laura made her try to bust up Jack's marriage. None of it is Gwen's own fault. Nope. Nothing at all. If she was so self-aware she should call 911 tell them it was an accident and let the situation play itself out. But I doubt it. She's probably just going to blame Laura for this too. And guilt Jack with the "I wouldn't be this way if I had a Daddy" card to get him to cover for her. No doubt Laura was wrong to do what she did, but it's not punishable by death. I can't wait though for Gwen to use Laura's bad deed as an excuse for killing her, accidental or not. She's already used it as a reason for everything else she's done. Just so, SO much for this character. It's almost at Ben levels.

Nope, sure don’t. Of course, no one claimed that anyone needed to enjoy her the way I did either lol. Do you. Matt Ashford hasn’t had anything to do? He’s consistently had plenty of story since his last return at the end of 2018. MAGA Jack was all of 2019 and he and Jen spent a chunk 2020 taking care of their drugged daughter (although I guess we’re just supposed to get over that since “poor, poor Gwen” didn’t have a daddy) and then the Gwen stuff. The idea that all of this is in any way about or focused on the character of Jack is a laugh riot. I guess this is when the MAGA Jack story was supposed to be about Jack but was mainly about Eve. This will turn out the same way. All about “poor Gwen.” Gwen is RC’s latest & newest favorite square peg that he’s forced into a round hole to make fit. Jack has merely been the way to facilitate Gwen. And for ME, bad story that messes up and wipes out years of history and characterization for a rando isn’t worth “having something to do.” But, sure. MA will have plenty to do as Jack will be the only one who be able to stand being in Gwen’s presence for any length of time. Everyone else she knows hates her. And we shall see how long Jack will be able to stand her when she doesn’t change one bit even after she has daddy at her beck and call and he’s probably driven his family away.

And the SOD article where the Gwen actress says that Laura gives her more details and she doesn’t want to believe it and how Gwen transfers all her resentments (this chick has a real problem with that doesn’t she) onto Laura and ends up in an even worse situation. RC also said that the Laura reveal would lead to another tragedy. Yes, why else would they be at a cemetery? Another question is why Gwen would show her face if Laura is dead? Even if she had nothing to do with it, she won’t let Laura’s family grieve in peace? She will once again have to make it all about her pain and pick another fight? After Jack has said he’ll try to make it up to her (if she stops going after Abigail)? After he’s probably done something in betrayal of his family for her? She probably starts blackmailing him with whatever he does to help her. Nothing will ever be enough for her. This is why you don’t negotiate with terrorists. She wants Abigail (and I guess JJ too if he existed in this mess) to not exist. That’s the only thing that will satisfy her. She wants Jack to be all about her. I hope Jack will think it’s worth it when he’s lost his family and “poor Gwen” is still going after them. The only good possible thing is that Jack picking Gwen means the rest of them can now fight back w/o him as a consideration. He will have made his choice. Abigail didn’t need any more of a reason, but I would love to see Jen want some revenge for her children and her mother. She’s had almost no POV in this and she’s forgiven a lot of Jack’s BS recently, I could see her being fed up and Gwen being the last straw. ETA: There’s another spoiler that Chad helps Abigail through a family tragedy. I don’t know what else it could be. What remains to be seen is how much Gwen is at fault and if Jack is also going to be sacrificed for more of “poor Gwen” if he does anything to help cover it up. What a terrible way to end a character with such rich ties to this show. And all for a character who had none. A character that had to be forcefully tied to one family takes out one with multiple natural and long-standing ties to the history of the show. Such a shame. This also means that Jennifer will have lost both her parents in a year, but she likely won’t get any focus on that. It’s going to be more of Gwen’s whining and delusional justifying of her actions with multiple facial contortions and tics.

At least what Chelsea did initially, not talking about the obnoxiousness afterwards, was an accident. Gwen will have deliberately gone after Laura. Just the larger Gwen hovering over and shaking the elderly great-grandmother Laura in the promo looks bad. And combined with what Jack already KNOWS she is capable of, without any hint of remorse or awareness that it's wrong, it's going to be monumentally stupid of him to help Gwen cover anything up. Like, does he really think that Jennifer will be okay with it? Or that Gwen will never, ever, ever hurt anyone else now that big, bad, evil Laura is dead? And no this is nothing new, but Jack will be a total hypocrite. He hasn't had to pay with his life for all the unforgivable shit he's done, but Laura should? I'm a total Jack and Jennifer fan, but I will totally support Jennifer being 100% done with him if he does this. Especially after she's JUST forgiven him for the Kate mess. But "poor Gwen" will get what she wants apparently. Daddy will choose her over everyone else and blow up his entire relationship and family for her. I hope it's worth it for him because Gwen and her just lovely personality will be all he has to show for it. Have fun Jack. I hope you enjoy spending the rest of your life trying to make it up to the psychopath who will only demand more and more.

Why kill off Laura? Because "poor Gwen." Laura obviously is taking the fall to make rando Gwen make sense and give her an excuse for everything she's done or about to do. There's a spoiler that a "desperate Gwen reaches out to Jack for help" and in the latest article the Gwen actress says that Gwen asks what Jack is going to do to make up to her for what Laura did and its effects. The actress also talks about Gwen no longer has any justifiable reason to go after Abigail since what she believed was based on a lie. Bitch, Gwen NEVER had a justifiable reason to go after Abigail since her only crime, as stated by Gwen herself, is that she was born and had a decent upbringing. But go ahead and sell your character's uselessness I guess. Also, f-you Gwen. What are YOU going to do to make up for all the shit you've done? She's just SO delusional. Jack can't make ANYTHING up to her because he can't change time. It'll never be enough for her. They are already making Jack look like a weak chump in this whole thing. Yeah, he's in a difficult position, but he just stands by and lets Gwen spout her delusional bullshit. Even after the Laura reveal, she still seems to not get it. There's nothing left to do but move on. Be angry with Laura, but it changes nothing. Gwen doesn't want to move on. She wants a re-do and that's not going to happen. That article doesn't mention any "I'm sorry," any remorse, or any how to move forward. Just "what are you going to do to make it up to me." She's totally going to make Jack "prove" he loves her and "choose" her over his family using Laura. Gwen is going to hurt or kill Laura and ask Jack to help her cover it up. And Jack will do it. Because he feels bad about "poor Gwen" who didn't have a daddy. Because apparently Laura deserves to die for what she did, but Gwen? Boo hoo. (*No doubt, Jack should be mad at Laura, but if he, who has also done really fucked up shit, helps Gwen cover up anything she does to Laura, he and Gwen deserve each other) I hope it's not true. Jack can't do that without doing some real damage to his character. Didn't we just spend months about how Jennifer is his "everything" and he wouldn't hurt her again? Covering up her mother's death or assault will be crossing a line he can't come back from and I hope Jennifer would never forgive him. He would deserve to be left with the psychopath. Jennifer has supported him and doesn't agree at all with what Laura did, but I'm pretty sure she doesn't think her mother should die for it. I really hope Jack doesn't lie to his wife about her mother for Gwen of all people. Like, I hope he sees that Gwen, at this point, is a danger to everyone around her, and needs to be locked up and given real mental therapy. Gwen has the right to be upset about Laura and her sad life, but she doesn't get to just go around poisoning, and physically attacking people because she's sad. How many serious assaults is she going to get away with here? Even if whatever she does to Laura ends up being an accident, Gwen doesn't need to be out on the streets around people. If Gwen does something to Laura and approaches Jack for help, he needs to "help" her by contacting the authorities and telling them she's mentally unstable. That's the best way anyone can help her at this point. But Jack will likely blow up his family once again and Gwen will smugly go around throwing it in his family's face claiming how much daddy loves her and chose her over them. Hell, maybe Gwen will get what she wants then by default. I just hope Jack thinks it was worth it. *Disclaimer: I'm fully aware that Abigail, Laura, Jack, etc. have all done horrible things and gotten away with them.

Especially since this was supposed to be the mid-90s. They couldn't even get the right styling for the right decade. I mean, if you're going to make up your own flashbacks to go with your made up history, you can at least try to get the clothes and hair right. And Gwen still doesn't know what she's talking about. All she knows is basic facts. She's just so sure that she knows all there is to know about all of them. She's completely irrational. She knows none of the details and nuance behind anything in Jack's (or anyone's) history. She just makes it all fit the story going on her head. She throws Jo putting Jack and Steve up for adoption in Jack's face. Her version of that isn't what happened at all. Blah, blah, blah Harper and Duke, but Jack is also a product of Jo. Vern was a father figure to him as well. Getting to know Steve, Adrienne, and Jo were big moments in his life. Jennifer's influence has obviously shaped him. Does that not count for anything? Or does it just not fit what makes Gwen the ultimate victim. She needs serious help. She's a stunted child in the body of 30+ year old. Jack asked the right question. She's supposedly got all that she wants, so what now? She can't keep walking around blowing things up. They can't go back in time. Jack isn't going to, nor should he, wish his life with Jennifer and his other kids away so Gwen can feel like she would have had the picture perfect life if he knew. Knowing what Laura did won't change that. How long does she get to walk around stomping her feet and sticking her tongue out at people, doing whatever she wants in the name of "I didn't get a daddy." It's going to get old real fast. It's good we found out she was 8 when her mother turned up because that's exactly how old she's acting. Lots of people didn't have a rich daddy, or any daddy at all, and manage to function. Gwen can get over herself anytime. Life isn't fair. What is she going to do now to move on?

I was thoroughly entertained by Gwen getting punched and am equally entertained by the shiner she has in the promo. Why? Because Abigail will likely ending up having to swallow what was done to her. Wasn't trying to say whether it was right or wrong that others had to swallow what she did or trying to get anyone else to agree or go over what she's done in the past, just that in this case I didn't mind the character getting physical. It's irrelevant anyway. She hasn't done anything to Gwen. And haven't the people that Abigail wronged gotten their revenge against her? Or have done other things against/negatively affected other people that they got away with? It's a never ending cycle. Indeed, a voided argument. For whoever you support. Which is why I never made that argument. Just that I liked the character getting physical in this particular instance. I don't really care about anyone/anything else, I was speaking only of the punch, but people should enjoy it and consider it Abigail's karma that she will likely have to swallow Gwen's shit if it floats their boat. I'm sure it won't be an unpopular opinion. I'll sure enjoy it when it's Gwen turn to get fucked over by someone who doesn't care about or isn't impacted by her sad story and she will just have to suck it up.

Yep. And she has a lot of nerve trying to tell people what they can and cannot do in their own home that they pay for. She sure isn't contributing anything to Alex's grandma's bills, but wants to tell her who she can and cannot allow to move in? No, ma'am. I think this is really Alex's hesitation about the whole thing, not that he's trying to please everybody. Alex probably knows damn well, either on his own or because grandma let him know, he and Tyra don't get to dictate what she can or cannot do in her own home. And then to have Tyra sitting there trying to question his manhood and how he needs to step up. STFU Tyra. Not to say that the mom's boyfriend wasn't sketchy and him moving in totally not a good idea, but she totally isn't the one to be making any demands about who gets to stay in grandma's house. Only grandma gets to. She should have just done what she did in the first place and take Layla out of the home if she didn't think it was safe. But then she might have had to come home and see about her daughter herself. I would have loved to have seen what she would have done if her mom and sister taking Layla wasn't an option for her. Tyra can't run other people's households from an hour away. If she wants something done a certain way for Layla or if she really felt Layla was in danger, she'd come handle it herself.

Under normal circumstances, I would actually agree with this, but with this show, it's probably all we're going to get as far as consequences for the myriad of reprehensible deeds Gwen has committed, which include what I believe is attempted murder on Abigail's life, so I was cheering Abigail on. If I didn't think that Gwen is about to get a huge whitewash of everything she's done and that Abigail won't have any other opportunity to get even a small amount of justice for what Gwen did to her, I would also have wanted her to take the non-physical, higher path. But this show seems as if they want Gwen to be "wacky" and "quirky" and have laid it on super thick with her sob story, Abigail probably be forced to swallow the attempt on her life and sanity because "poor Gwen."

I just think it's lazy writing, not "typical." Can't think of anything else? Throw out the retcon kid. And "typical" seems like it can be, not that it absolutely is, used as a cop-out for not caring for this or anything else. Well, you may not like x, y, z, but oh well. It's typical of a soap. Also, I simply was pointing out that Abigail has never done anything to Gwen. Where did I say that you said Gwen had done something to Abigail? I'm not trying to and don't care to compare what viewers may/may not have felt about Hope's or anyone else's having to deal with a pop-up kid anyway. I was giving my own opinion only on this situation and pointing out similarities I saw with other pop-ups. I don't care how standard, or "typical" it may be, it's not enjoyable to me. Trying to explain/educate/philosophize/lecture on soaps and how they supposedly operate or how this is "typical" doesn't make it make any better sense or more entertaining TV. These are things I personally want when I watch something. Others may differ and that's fine. It's more of an excuse at this point to cover for the unoriginal redundancy on the part of the writers. Especially these writers as they have concurrent rando stories going at the same time. It's not some rite of passage that all couples HAVE to go through. There is no "Soaps 101" textbook that demands this particular trope. Although it sure seems like it when there's no defense or logic for something other than "it's a soap!" The writers should try to do better. It doesn't seem like the "typical" is doing too much for the genre as a whole.

She ain't did shit to Gwen though. Like her or not, most logical people can see Gwen has no basis for anything she's done to Abigail. She should not get to take out her "woe is me" abandonment issues on someone who had nothing to do with it. Gwen should buy a bridge and get over it. Abby deserves all her scorn for simply being born? But she somehow has no beef with JJ? But does have one with Jennifer? One of the many things that doesn't make sense. And what does she think is going to happen now? Jack might feel sorry for how she was raised, but he isn't going to care all that much about her otherwise, especially when he finds out about her drugging Abby. She's never going to rate as much to him as Jennifer, Abby, and JJ. She might have had a chance of at least being tolerated if she'd handled this the grown-up way and came to town and just told Jack who she was, but she's ruined that for herself. Chelsea and Tripp at least had youth on their side for the things they did. And for Chelsea, what she did was an accident. I don't see anyone welcoming their arms out to bring Gwen into the family. Especially if she continues to be a smug, unrepentant bitch about what she's done. I just can't believe that Jack, Laura, Jennifer, and maybe more characters' histories are all being messed up for this rando. There's nothing endearing or rootable about her. She's crossed too many lines to try and go back and I doubt they will have her, with all her superior smugness, show an ounce of remorse. Hopefully she's the one who ends up dead in this murder mystery. That's the only salvageable thing about all this now. Then viewers can forget about all the ways her existence doesn't make sense and how many character histories were sacrificed for it. There are multiple, actual spoilers that lend credence to her being the murder victim. Although I would hate that any character would have to suffer for taking her useless ass out. There's a spoiler about Chad covering for Abby, one where Chad threatens Gwen, and one about Julie and Gwen having a confrontation. The multiple run-ins with Anna must have some purpose. She has no friends or allies in Salem. I don't see how she could ever possibly have any after all she's done, so kill her off and be done.

Yeah, but that's nothing that confirms that the secret or truth is that Laura supposedly was the one who was paying off Gwen's mother or that Gwen is her secret love child with Jack. And no spoiler has revealed that the DNA says that Gwen is Jack's kid either. It may be, but it might also be revealed that she's not related to Jack.

Is this an actual reputable spoiler from somewhere or is this rehashed speculation masquerading as spoiler? Nothing official or reputable has said or confirmed anything about WHY Laura is coming back, just that she is. Anything else is just speculation, and no problem with that, but if it's a confirmed spoiler, I would be interested in knowing the original source. I just wonder why Laura would pay off a woman who had a child in the mid-80s from the son-in-law she didn't even meet or know about until the early to mid-90s. Could Laura tell the future and know that Jack would marry and have kids with her daughter and that she paid off Gwen's mother for what? She knew that future Jennifer, who was a teenager when this supposedly happened, wouldn't want to marry Jack if he had a kid already? And Laura was lying in the 90s when she claimed she didn't know who Jack was and that he had any connection to Jennifer when they first encountered each other? That's a LOT of retconning of Jack, Jennifer, AND Laura's histories for this all to work. Or maybe crazy Gwen is just a crazy, delusional liar who has made this all up and Laura, because she works in the mental health field, knows Gwen and her history and is trying to help her daughter and her family. Sounds a lot more plausible than a lot of the other speculation. Laura encountering the random Gwen is lot more likely than a lot of these other possibilities. I know, "it's a soap," but Gwen doesn't HAVE to be related to Jack. Or anyone. Her being a crazy loon with no rhyme or reason to her melodrama is also very "it's a soap."

That site those spoilers come from doesn’t have any real inside information or spoilers. All they do is dress up and rehash speculation from Twitter and any released spoilers from magazines, cable guides, and or the show/network. As soon as the show aired yesterday and it was clear that Laura couldn’t be Gwen’s mother based on the time frame, the speculation then shifted to she’s the one who paid off the mother. Anything and everything to still make Gwen as Jack’s make sense. That site and others like it by six pm had released new “spoilers” to reflect the new speculation.