Moxie Cat

I made it through four episodes before being curious enough to see what others think of this show. The lack of posts in this section is telling. At this point, my main hope is that Agnes and her son make it out of the country safely, but I fear she's being set up too. She's the only character I actually root for though - which is one reason why this show has become such a slog. And it should be much funnier than it is. Succession was about terrible people too, whom you had a hard time rooting for - but every episode was so freaking funny. These episodes just leave me depressed.

Thanks for the news! I love the show, but my mom will be over the moon about 2 more seasons. I can't imagine there isn't a time jump though. Surely they can't sustain an entire season of both James and Tristan being away. And if there isn't movement with the Siegfried/Audrey pairing next year, I will SCREAM. I still can't believe we weren't tossed a bone in the Christmas episode! (Sorry, but "Siegfried is right, you are remarkable" just doesn't cut it.)

He got away with it, BUT he apparently lost all of his leverage over many/all politicians, business people, etc. Obviously he would have been back in the next season to wreak more havoc, but I think the point was that his "empire" was destroyed. I know he was a bad guy, but I just loved seeing Professor Lasky again! If I were them, I would have made some immunity deal with the feds in exchange for the flash drive. With the show ending, I'm just going to assume that's what happened! Because it wasn't just them - it was Katsumoto who would have been implicated too. Even if they were willing to risk themselves, I don't think they would have risked him. So it stands to reason that a deal had been made. In addition, I find it hard to believe that the audio evidence of Higgins and Magnum discussing the cover up would have been admissible (or even legal for the lackey to record). It also strikes me as something that could easily be faked with AI. The evidence on the flash drive was no doubt a lot stronger and compelling. I got stuck on Juliet's improbable jumping down the side of the building! But then, this is the 5-0 universe, so.... I'm sad it's ending, but it did end on a happy note. I would have liked to see Kumu co-managing the bar, though! Does anyone know if Zach Knighton and "Suzy" are still together IRL?

But wouldn't that fit with where Riverdale was heading in the last few seasons in "the real world?" I know some of that had to do with Hiram's machinations, but it's also very realistic to have a small town in the middle of nowhere become irrelevant due to industry moving elsewhere. And notably, in the original timeline, the town also fell apart when all the main characters moved away after high school. The same thing also happened here - they all moved away. No one moved back to reinvigorate the town, as in the original timeline. The characters made society better on a macro level, but that had nothing to do with the fate of the town itself. That said, I would have been OK with seeing a happy town in the finale.

SFU inspired this for sure - but the ending was straight up Titanic, right down to Jason Blossom holding the door open for Betty. I half-expected everyone in the diner to start clapping. Darn it all if this episode didn't make me tear up numerous times - so well done, Riverdale. And kudos to Lili, who hit it out of the park.

I haven't followed the ins and outs of when they did and didn't know. BUT. As someone who has watched genre shows for many years, I find it hard to believe that the writers didn't have SOME suspicion that season 4 would be the end. Every season of Roswell, Buffy, Angel, Alias, etc. was a blessing. This is just real life as a genre fan. Heck, I was happily surprised when season 4 was picked up, despite all the CW drama in spring 2022. How could they not have had some inkling that this fourth season might be the end - when it seemed super obvious to me, just an average viewer? Even if you think you MIGHT get another season, you can still write towards the current season finale as if it MIGHT be the very last one. It's possible to give the main storylines closure and leave potential plots dangling in a way that will still satisfy the audience. Case in point: I just watched the season 3 finale of "The Righteous Gemstones." Yes, a very, very different show. But the finale tied up a lot of seasons-long story threads (and provided plenty of closure) while still providing glimmers of how the plot might continue. (Apparently it WAS renewed. Which is fine, and no big deal that the S3 finale was awesome!) Sorry for the rambling. I was just super annoyed with this episode. I love Nancy, and I have been here for Nancy/Ace since the middle of season 1. This is the second episode in which, I believe, they haven't even had a scene together. We are rolling towards the finale, and now Nancy is apparently some kind of reincarnated soul paired with Tristan? (Who has apparently lived in Horseshoe Bay his whole life and yet none of the Drew Crew know him. OK.) Ugh. I hope this gets better.

Little Joey was a regular for a season of the David E. Kelley show "Boston Public" about 20 years ago. I always thought he was a decent actor in that, but I never saw him again in anything until now. Living off those NKOTB residuals, I guess! The introduction of Gavin was weird. In the book, it works because the whole family comes to visit. But Ormand and Edwina are OK just shipping little Gavin off to visit with Jimmy's family? And then they cut out the infamous scene with Fern and the two kids anyway (which is OK). I guess they needed to introduce Gavin as a character, but then he just disappeared after that scene. Couldn't the show get Jesse Metcalfe for more than one episode? I hope he shows up for Christie's party at the opening of Midnight Whispers.

When this show gets the casting right, they hit it out of the park. And when they get it wrong, they fail spectacularly. Thankfully there's far more examples of the former.

So true! Most Danielle Steel books also include a husband who dies. I've learned to not root for too many of the heroine's first marriages. And in "Zoya," both husbands die!

Me too. I seem to recall that the younger Willie actors had darker reddish-brown hair, but noticed in this episode that adult William's hair is dark. Good thing that he resembles Geneva in that way more than Jamie and Bree.

I really enjoyed Dawn! And I've been lukewarm on most of these adaptations, except for Garden of Shadows. The actress playing Dawn is a dead ringer for Britt Robertson. I kept doing a double take! Only one quibble: it's clearly supposed to be set in the 1970s, based on "Eugenia's" gravestone. But I don't remember hair claw clips in the '80s, let alone the '70s. Otherwise, the fashion is pretty fun.

I was really worried that Ian's honor and guilt would lead into a "Game of Thrones" situation. Thank goodness that didn't happen. Plus, this episode already had me worried enough about the cat! Darn those recaps!

Jamie and Claire saw Lord John at Flora McDonald's reception last season, and Lord John and Jamie defended a printer from the mob in that episode too. The governor had asked Lord John to talk sense into Jamie about his loyalties. He hadn't seen Bree though since right before Bree and Roger tried to leave the last time. Yeah, I didn't understand that part either.

If Lord John means that the two (deceased) sisters knew, he means that the three remaining are himself, Jamie, and Claire...but he knows Bree also knows, so that's four people alive who know. (Plus Murtagh knew, which he didn't realize.) But didn't Lady Dunsany (William's grandmother) know also, or at least suspect? I thought his math was confusing - I was trying to figure it out too.

He told Claire that she slept with Ian and the guy in the church because they both knew that she was already carrying Allan's baby, and she was trying to find another guy to take responsibility. So yes, he confessed to impregnating her for sure. I'd have to see the scene again, but I thought in the dialogue it was very clear to Claire (and Ian) that he had killed her as well (plus we saw the flashback). Didn't Claire even tell him that his father took the blame for him? Here's what I don't understand: wasn't Malva working a love charm to get Jamie to fall in love with her? She was also fascinated by watching Jamie and Claire in the barn. Was all that because of her brother's plan or because she actually had a thing for Jamie? Very sad that she was coming to confess to Claire when Allan killed her (and that Claire had already knocked herself out and wouldn't have been able to answer the door anyway). Ah well - I'm not sorry to see the Christie saga end. I'm also predicting now that Fergus's hand is the reason for the obit misprint, and it will be different from the book. Yeah, I call foul on that line. Not sure why the writers had to say it was "every year" when "we only went twice, but I loved it" would have gotten the point across, and been way more believable. Finally: was anyone else shouting at the screen: "Use the tiny extra gem Jamie has! Keep Lord John's beautiful sapphire!" (I mean, assuming they did get the gem back - Claire throwing it out the window was very poetic but also kinda dumb.)

This current season (16 eps, 8 shown now) was filmed with the idea that episode 16 would be the series finale. From what I understand, it was designed to end with the "natural ending point during the book series, and any book reader would understand what that is" (per a recent interview in EW). But halfway through filming this season, they were renewed for one more and then had to figure out what content to put into the surprise season. So take from that what you will. I would imagine the final season will function more as a coda and minimize the plot threads from the later books. LOL...I also thought it was Tom! And then I said, "Oh God, the Browns have got to go already." BAMF Jamie! Tom/MLJ's final speech to Claire was wonderful. I hated the Christies and how the entire last season revolved around them, but MLJ made the character truly nuanced and memorable.

I found myself wondering what Logan's reaction would have been to finding out that he would finally get a genetic grandchild out of Shiv (and quite possibly his only one, ever)...and not only Shiv, but from Tom, who had proven loyal to him. If he had lived another season, I think his overtures to Roman would have been pushed aside and he would have made the effort to bring Shiv back into the fold instead. It's worth noting that the goal in this show isn't about money. It's about power. The Roy kids can't conceive of not having money. Money is to them what oxygen is to the rest of us - it's always there, you take it for granted. The Roys end the show with a ton of money...but absolutely no power whatsoever. They lost. Logan understood this, and it's why he wanted to keep ATN. As long as he had the cable news network, he could control the dialogue and the political discourse. I'm still mystified by Mattson's decisions on the night before the meeting. He could have easily lost the vote, had Shiv stuck with her brothers. I don't believe he's as smart of a multi-dimensional chess player as we were led to believe. Hahaha! But after reading this thread, I think the correct order is: "Sookie... er Shiv.. is MINE. Yeah?"

Someone on the staff is a big fan of classic childrens/YA lit...first all the Beverly Cleary references and now Judy Blume. More, please! (I'm definitely a fan!)

Not a fan of the new version of the song. My favorite was the version from season 5 (I think it was): the acapella choir. I watched that opening every single time just to hear the arrangement...it was just so beautiful. But I also loved whenever they switch up the theme, such as when they included the French lyrics or the "Caribbean" orchestration. It's awesome that they remodel the theme every season.

The ice-cream basement woman was named Beezus. LOL, that is no coincidence! Previously, we've had a reference to Klickitat Street, and the camera lingered on "Beezus's" mailbox with the address in this episode too - which I thought might be another Beverly Cleary reference. My only question now is: when are we getting a Ramona?! Someone on the staff is clearly a Cleary fan and relishing the Portland in-joke opportunity! Nice to see David Cubitt! Obviously he was the killer though...per the "the familiar guest star did it" law.

Claire on Six Feet Under and Anna Chlumsky's character on Veep. And of course, both Degrassi series showed main characters having abortions, although they were censored (in different ways) on their respective US networks.

I agree - he was like "early Magnum" Katsumoto....someone who could have been a good foil for both Gordy and the PI team. Plus, there was a potential new character in his long-distance girlfriend. I guess they're not making too many long-term plans with this show though, or committing to more regulars. (sniff) I liked the last episode, but it didn't feel much like a season finale at the end. (And I know there are more episodes, but probably not for a long while.) I would also guess that TC will regain use of his legs, but it will be a dramatic arc. One disappointment: I thought we'd finally get some closure for Rick and his erstwhile girlfriend after this ordeal....if not a wedding, then maybe an engagement? I was surprised that didn't happen when they were reunited.

My guess would be that a Perkins storyline dovetails with whatever case Perry works on next season, so Paul is dragged back in whether he wants to be or not. I would also guess, though, he may become disillusioned working for Perkins. He thinks it's going to be better than working for Perry, but much of his torment this season came from the forced beating....which Perkins made him do. I really enjoyed this season, much more than the first one. The second half of the finale felt a little slow, but I did appreciate how they tied together all the plot strings. They left Sunny hanging out there, maybe to develop a larger role for Sean Astin in season 3. Love the cinematography of this show - almost every shot is so beautiful - and the music. I loved Boardwalk Empire too, and you can feel the carry-through of the similar team members here. I hope we get at least a season 3....hopefully sooner than 3 years this time!

Another show/episode that followed the "hey, the familiar guest star did it!" rule. I just couldn't decide if it was going to be Ellen Tamaki or Sarah Jane Morris. Tamaki it is! (I've liked her for years - I hope she lands a regular part in something in the near future.) My money is also on Shammy (also a vet) taking out the attacker, who probably doesn't know he's there.

My understanding is that Phippsy knew the sneaker guy whom Paul beat up, because his wife scored drugs in that part of town. Phippsy asked the sneaker guy to find someone to do the hit on Brooks. He hired the brothers. Multiple degrees of separation help ensure that the big cheeses aren't connected. I like how everything is coming together, but I wish we'd had more twists...for instance, I wish Pete would have switched the guns, and we would have found out that the gun the cops took from the safe wasn't the murder weapon. Or, that Ham wasn't being blackmailed with evidence of his homosexuality (just because it seemed so obvious), but by something else that he was involved in. My guess is that Mateo will take the rap for his brother, so he can go to art school. They were responsible for pulling the trigger, and it's going to be hard to tie Camilla to the murder when the sneaker guy is (presumably) dead - unless Phippsy flips. Something I don't understand: if the FBI is investigating Brooks and the oil/veg scheme, why does Camilla apparently have a mole there who is working for her? (OK, to be fair, there are multiple things on this show I don't understand - the need for repeat viewings is super accurate!)