BlackWidow

Darn I was thinking it was true and happy for her lol

In one of the above articles, it cites KB's unwillingness/inability/whatever to work as one of the reasons for dumping him. There's probably nothing to 'get' as he is more of a liability at this point than an asset. Maybe they are tired of worrying every season if the TV money is going to be renewed or not and not having anything else going on. #4 is actually in a worse position , still being married to him legally with him in all that debt. There's nothing for her to get, for any of them to get. Except OUT.

I don't know that he has that much to get clean from her 'legal ex', not to mention the fact can he even be trusted? She might be better off cutting her losses with how much debt he probably has. It kind of does look like the wives are doing that already. There's been several stories on google news. One is that Christine was actually the first to bail. #4 , something about seeing an attorney regarding divorcing kody, who in one of the stories actually said something to her like ''You used to be considered the hot wife. Unfortunately, we can't really sell that anymore,'' after she had their second baby- apparently she wasn't too thrilled with that comment. Who would be? I mean, is he that inept or just a total asshole? http://www.inquisitr.com/3714856/sister-wives-spoilers-meri-browns-catfish-scandal-explodes-robyn-brown-files-for-divorce/ There is no love and fanboy buttkissing in the comments either. Then there is Meri's Hawaii Guy. Supposedly he is 'ril' and not pretend. Lots of dirt from that Kendra person, who knows if it is 'ril', BS, or orchestrated purposefully to drum up interest.. http://www.itechpost.com/articles/54399/20161115/sister-wives-sister-wives-christine-brown-rip-out-eyes-robyn-robyns-feud.htm

I kind of doubt at this point her weight loss has anything to do with #4 and hoping it's true about the guy from Hawaii. I thought she was making (or had made) enough tv money to not have to do this? Hope she still doesn't have to cough up cash to put into the pot from this endeavor, bad enough she likely still did even after the whole adoption/divorce/catfish/cold-shoulder-cody

I thought it was more like "Meri has issues and does best in a supervised environment. See more sisterwife rescues on the following page....' That whole too many layers of flowy crap is only good on skinny 18 year olds. Anyone else it devolves into bag lady, cat lady, asylum lady. The stuff is weird period but it seems to especially not be her. Maybe something more mature, like the sexy masculine look, a la Marlene Dietrich or maybe even sporty Ralph Lauren horse riding stuff. All that busy stuff just isn't flattering. She defintely looks thinner and happier so why dress dumpy when she likely could come up her own 'mature sexy' look- in which case, less really is more. By the time you wear mature sexy clothes, it is you that defines the look, and 'owns' the look, rather than the younger 'whee look at me! I have the shortest loudest dress in the room !' These are just some examples, there are more dressy or different styles that illustrate what I'm talking about. The point being, not so frilly, flowy, fussy, busy, silly, etc. Of course people are free to wear whatever they want, but you do run the risk of looking like the list at the beginning of this paragraph or wacky preschool teacher, Cyndi lauper's mom, hide-your-pregnancy.com.... I don't know, maybe we will see her picking some simpler, classic designs.

LulaRoe? that sounds like a cross between a hooker and fish eggs. Oh and yeah that movie with Laura Dern and Nick Cage, can't even remember the name of it, but 'Lula' I'm pretty sure was Laura's name in it. So unfortunate .

LOol thanks for putting this in my head with the clothes references. Gretchen would have made a great Heather Chandler (if she were smart enough to be this nasty, lookswise though she could pull it off)

People who have eating disorder issues I have noticed are super into measuring everything, the size of everything, the amount of, the degree of, as well as anything that has to do with increasing and their body. Maybe she meant 'role model' rather than mentor? Beth doesn't even seem to get all that wasted as far as drinking, her emphasis is on the 'skinny' while Sonia's is on being the party girl. I don't know how many scenes I have seen where Beth blows into some event, then always bails early, while one gets the feeling Morgan shuts the place down every time. Who knows whether Morgan was trying to 'steal' Beth's (whatever)Girl brand idea or if that was all fabricated and soon Sonia will be saying 'new business idea, ditching tipsygirl'...Also Beth does seem to have this 'we'll be friends after I beat you up and show my alpha position' not unlike some girl bullies, who want to be friends but only after they have kicked your ass and reduced you to tears or whatever. I just didn't think Sonia was important enough for Beth to even sweat, hence why even have that scene be on the show, who even knew re Morgan's drinks before that, so in essence, it does help Sonia to even have had that much on the show. I read it as more eating disorder competitiveness. Meaning threatened by Jules, not even personally but as a potential new and maybe even skinnier girl. Other than that one thing and age, Jules doesn't have the wackiness and humorousbite Beth has and Jules is way more trying to get accepted and fit in than the Queen B ever was. It's almost a waste of time for Q-B to go after anyone who isn't on her level with her quick mind and zinger mouth, it doesn't make for good tv bitchiness, it just seems mean unless she has a worthy opponent. A Q-B vs Dorinda might be fun if D comes out swinging and doesn't get too drunk and start crying. Beth vs Lu might fall flat as Lu will speak in her therapist voice and Beth will just give her the blank stare of death, as Lu gives her nothing to play off. Beth vs Ramona might be fun as both are so animated. Beth vs Carole or Jules, blah. No way. Funny how TV bitch chemistry works.

I thought when I saw this post I thought oh well, they picked her because she somehow embodies a 'struggle' whether it is with weight or plygdom or whatever, the whole 'I fought my way from oppression' thing. But then I thought maybe she ain't all that 'oppressed' -maybe she's just a better bullshitter than the other ones. Or maybe the others didn't want to do it, or thought viewers 'liked' Janelle better than the others, who knows... I like this idea, the only problem is that it would be fake. I'm not sure she's his type, but what is his type anyway? Maybe he's not her type for all we know. Would #4 be cool with that, doubtful. I was thinking this too, except when kodfish said the thing about maybe he should "grow up and stop having kids". But if one of their 'causes' is to keep putting their genepool out there, then yeah he would if the others seemed ok with it. At some point though it starts getting unfair to the kids, continuing to have them late in the game, no matter how many mommies there are. The flipping off thing was so, so 7th grader. No offense to 7th graders, you're supposed to be at least kind of an immature ahole at that age. You mean by this being the one who 'picks' the next one? Not sure if that is how it works, unless it's some other reason I am missing. Thinking #5 is going to be her new BFF like Meri did, (or at least damage control in having a hand in it). Or any or all of these.

Oh I don't think any of them are 'winning'. I don't hold it against her that her place is as big or the same as the others, but the idea of 'top spot' is just so gross. The whole culture of jockeying for position or constantly wondering who is where on the totem pole is awful. From watching them for years, and kody's constant clueless look, it seems he isn't very deep with any of them, even if he knows the right BS to say after he has repeatedly blown in from how he acts, what he says, or just the uncaring attitude. It just doesn't seem like he gives a crap outside of making things easier for himself and not having anyone be upset because it sucks for him when they are. I don't know, is it possible to even help someone who comes across rather shallowly? Even if their behavior changes, does that mean they actually care more, or are they just trying to avoid hassle? Now that #4 is past the free and easy-breezy honeymoon phase, it's probably not that way with any of them, hence why he is likely looking for wife 5, and I'm thinking that might be the reason #4 was kind of being a pill on the tell all. That and he is probably mad that she is or was still talking to this kendra person who is putting out stuff to the gossip rags, and he is probably more mad that it might somehow screw up his ace in the hole for negotiations for next season than her or any of them being unhappy about it.

I keep seeing photos of her where she looks disengaged from the kiddo, like she is just sort of dragging her along, and just looks preoccupied with something else or unhappy. She doesn't look like she is 'in the moment' having a good time , it looks more like, ok, let's just get wherever and get it over with. Even in photos where the child is younger, the way she holds her looks awkward and not particularly 'warm'. I'm sure she's doing the best she can, but I just don't know if one can 'have it all' at that level of celebrity and business, etc. http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/bethenny-frankel-picks-up-daughter-bryn-hoppy-from-schools-on-16-in-picture-id502470472 The 'I'm wearing my 4 years old's clothes' shot-I was thinking Charles Krauthammer. Other than all this stuff, on the show she is funny and weird and makes me laugh, although I do think some of the cattiness is manufactured like the sleep-over hissy-fit about , hell I can't even remember. It's good that she probably has a slew of nannies to deal with all the everyday, redundant and sometimes tedious, frustrating and downright boring aspects of having a little kid especially coming to motherhood late in the game and having a celebrity lifestyle before that. I didn't just pick and choose the photos , there are a ton of them like that. Sure there are some where she 'seems' happy, but it looks like for the camera happy, not deep-down. I don't know, maybe it's because of being run-down by paparazzi and they do hang out and do mother-daughter things at home. I hope so. Stuff and fancy digs and clothes can't make up for time or knowing someone really wants to be there. Also hope she gets better from the fibroids and the heavy bleeding, usually worse after you have kids-been there. The consolation is she isn't that far from the change, and won't have to worry about it for that long. At the beginning of this past season she was actually looking good (and younger) and seemed a little more calm. I hope she isn't going back to skelator-level eating disorder defcon 5. I didn't think it was going to work with that Jason dude, they just seemed like such polar opposites, him trying to get her to adjust to the 'let's go hang out at grandma's and have sunday dinner all together' stuff. Did he really think he was going to change her?

Oh no, I didn't mean to suggest you said she was a shrew or to imply you did. I meant her not being 'evil shrew' as far as her being calculating or sinister re the tweet or just in general- we're both in agreement she's not. What I meant by perspective is that we all only know what we see portrayed on the show, and via whatever other media, twitter, etc., and some of us are harder on her for whatever reason , her relationship with Janelle, or whether or not viewers care whether it is considered 'emotionally cheating' on the kodster, or the wet bar, or the little happy messages on those awful posters in her house or weird clothes and so on. Be it far from me to tell anyone here not to be 'judgey' lol, that's kind of the point of these silly forums, is it not? In any case, not trying to put words in your mouth by any stretch,only saying *I* don't think she is calculating enough to be putting whatever out there as some kind of a dig on Janelle or just that in my opinion she doesn't strike me as the calculating type who sits around plotting. As you were saying about also having known real 'evil shrews', none of these women even rate. They seem to not grasp how clueless they are, even when they are trying to appear 'I have my sw's back, look, I don't believe the stuff that's out there, let's all laugh at how funny it is'. This isn't working as far as mocking the catfish. Do they really want to re-engage with this kind of a person? Attention and recognition is what they crave, for them to bring this up even after almost a year now? only serves to legitimize the catfish as still relevant or worse, catfish will take it as a thinly-veiled challenge to produce more stuff and put it out there. Unless of course they are trying to keep this storyline alive.

I have no idea what she is like in 'rill life' , it ALL is starting to just seem so fake. She may have her bitchy moments, but I suppose I have been up against bigger than she, lol, so she doesn't rate as far as being this evil, contemptible shrew. It's all in perspective. Honestly, I don't know that she is smart enough to be super calculating and conniving with her tweets. I think her 'fake-authoritative tone' is a total front, like someone who plays at being the CEO but has no idea what is going on and likes it that way. More like the co-worker that you know talks crap behind your back but you don't sweat it because you feel kind of bad for her, not because she must be 'in a bad place right now' but just her whole situation. They all seem sort of 'held back' a grade or two as far as their naivete and just in general. I don't know , if I had to put up with Kodfish all these years, I'd probably be much worse than any of them. Meh, more inspiration for the role-play thread.

Probably easier to get all control freak over small things you can control as a coping mechanism for blowing off the huge things you can't which someone else gets the 'final word' on. This personality thing happens in non-plyg households as well. I see both Meri and Janelle as having developed their own 'style' of coping in reaction to all the constant Brown chaos over the years , another wife, (then all the would-be wives that didn't work out) crazy number of kids, oh look, we're moving again, our financial goose is cooked-here let's sign up another wife to be the 'on-paper' responsible person, not to mention exponential extended family drama what with unkeeptrackable amount of relatives.. I mean, is she tweeting any new info that hasn't been seen on the show? Was all that just for show, or was it real? Like myself and others were mentioning before, it sadly does seem that when one relationship sort of hits a 'lull' , it somehow adds fuel to the others as if the deck had become shuffled to one's advantage, to the other's detriment- ugh- but who knows what is 'rill' and what is make-believe in all this? It kind of seems like Christine is still play-acting to me, while she may not have quite the resentment she once had, I still see awkwardness and some amount of forced jollity. Is Meri trying to elicit a response, either people still doubting or more fawning like 'that's so awesome, you all are sooo speshul!' Maybe she is trying to send a message to the catfish, like look how much stronger we are now as a unit, we're fixing all our weak points.. any way you interpret it, it's still show material in the end. It does suck for Meri that because of catfishgate, she has likely isolated herself further. Well, it could also be taken as an invite to the question: if those two actually are 'better friends', (which I kind of don't believe), are then Meri and Janelle also better, or even somewhat friends as well now? I don't have the same ire for Meri as you are posting. Whatever they say about how legal stuff doesn't count in their world, I still think the legal divorce was hard on her, 'all about the kids' or not. I suppose it could be said she didn't technically 'lie' as can one really be having a thing with a fictional character? Then one can get into splitting hairs about the difference between what one actually did or did not do and what one could or would have done if 'Sam' were 'ril' - but that's all rather immaterial at this point. So is it truly a lie if the whole thing were a lie? Seems to me more sad than anything. I find myself wondering more about if any of them will get a job before the TV money runs out. I know, I know, that's 'hater' talk. They almost have to get #5 on board to keep justifying season after season of the same old stuff and they are going to run out of kids old enough to be married for show. My antivirus still alerts on their swcloset website which the kodster still has up on his twitter, I wonder if they ever fixed that or it really is just a front for a tax write-off.

I must have missed the part where Christine said Mykelti couldn't move home, or maybe she just discouraged it but I can see with this many kids and adult drama, some get lost in the shuffle. Maybe Mykelti felt like she she doesn't fit anywhere, maybe feels bad about dropping out of school, letting parents down, feels like she needs a new 'thing' to glom onto. Something that makes her feel accepted and welcomed. Man I don't know if that is a great place to be to start off a relationship, but I know a few people who flew the coop early in life, sort of looking to be 'adopted' by the gf/bf extended family. It's a dangerous game this, because if they are like normal parents, they will always take their kid's side , as much as they 'put up' , oh I mean love and cherish you like their own...and if they are not like 'normal' parents and don't feel this way towards you or even their own kid, and you have this 'it's me and you against the world, baby' , with your bf/gf, that might be an even worse place to be in, especially when kids come along. I'm hoping there isn't this big rush to get married because she's pregnant and that might be why she didn't show for the tell-all , or it could be there is unresolved tension about the whole thing, happy twitter or instagram posts notwithstanding... I don't know if people on here took offense to the flip-off but I thought it was funny in a toddler tantrum kind of way. As far as the whole bs catfish story, to me it seemed like Meri was wanting to admit more than she did, but kept to the bs story. I doubt the kodfish coached her, he's just too clueless, but neither do I believe his (what appeared to be coached) bs about 'ignore it and it's not real'. Several times it looked like he was looking at Meri as if he were trying to suss out whether she was lying or not, as if he never asked her that much about the whole thing and was letting the interviewer as for him. Meri also was giving him several strange looks, as if she were thinking, you don't have to make up bs for me or 'I can't believe this is what you're going with' as far as his take on it. Like he wasn't going to get personal, he was just going to repeat something someone told him in some new-agey self-help kind of way , the whole 'if we don't give the catfish any energy, they can't hurt us, the aren't real, etc'. His small admission that yes things were not great with Meri and maybe he contributed to her being vulnerable to that seemed weak, like he was goaded into it by the interviewer but didn't really want to cop to any plyg relationship failure on his part for any length of time. They are acting for sure, and many of the answers seemed scripted but I don't think it is the kodster who is making that stuff up. As I said to the previous poster, it sounds like shrink-babble, innocuous and one of their favorite words 'safe' because it doesn't allow for both people to say either 'I blew it, I didn't treat you well' or ' I was lonely and stupid' or whatever, the way they dealt with it is externalizing the issue, which is not really the catfish , but what led to it. And yeah, this whole topic has been beaten to death. The endless replays, ugh, most people who watch the show know all this, and the playing it before the commercials, and during the show, it sure serves as filler to eat up time we would rather be hearing from them in the here and now. They do this on the regular show too , way too much. The lashes thing, both #4 and Christine had strange looking, almost drag-queeny lashes. Not flattering. Janelle's makeup was decent, subtle and colors were right to keep her from being so washed out looking with the all-over bleached hair. Meri looked about as orange as usual, but her hair was somewhat better. I wonder if she might consider letting the roots go a while , way back when the show started when she had longish hair, it was kind of a dirty blonde and the not-quite-so-bleached darker blonde was flattering. I think this is before she turned orange though. Yep, both of them giving each other weird looks. Meri giving so many 'really' or 'oh ok, you're going to address it like that' or' you don't have to protect or lie for me' looks and kodster externalizing everything with prepackaged lines while seeming to scrutinize ever answer she have to the interviewer. they really bs danced around the whole thing, kodster refusing to address it on a personal level. I don't think he can grasp or let himself admit he contributed to this, and that Meri was so lonely and unhappy. That doesn't bode well for them picking up the pieces. The whole crew knows people at home probably have heard the tapes and seen the texts, but they are obviously trying to stay neutral and not blame or take sides , it's very politicianlike, afraid that they might alienate some part of their audience by whatever they say, because in the end, the show must go on. I'm wondering if kodster is pissed at her if he thinks she at all knew anything and one, hid it from him and two, is now covering Meri's butt or pretending to be supportive, or may actually be being supportive towards Meri if he wanted her to close ranks against Meri and she didn't. Hard to say. I don't know if anyone is 'favorite' at this point, there is so much dysfunction and stress happening, although like myself and other posters have said, it sucks that it sure looks apparent that while things are not all great with one or more, it looks like the ones who were thrown by the wayside suddenly seem perkier , as if they benefit from more attention simply because he doesn't want to deal with the stress and thus is hanging out more with them. That would totally go against the whole 'if my sisterwife ain't happy, ain't nobody happy' credo they haul out when they are pretending to be all 'oh they have my best interest at heart, they have my back;.. in a way, it also has the side 'benefit' with Aspyn living next door, of having a teen in the house, people act differently when there is an almost adult in the house than with just little kids, or babies and maybe the cousin Mindy who helps with the kids. Seems like it might get weird with no privacy, not only in *that* kind of way, but just having alone time together. I don't even know how many Christine still has at home, I can't keep track. I still am not totally clear about the 'you can't move back' thing or blaming Christine for whatever Mykelti is doing. Maybe Mykelti thought well here's my options, shitty job, school, or some man. He's too much of a doofus to feel offended by the flip off. I'm sure he is just all butthurt over several things, catfishgate being one, #4 changing personality while pregnant and maybe still has moved past the 'eternal honeymoon' thing, maybe even has to cook now lol, some weird dynamic of all the wives, like are Meri and #4 partners in crime, you cover me and I will cover you or are they on the outs, Mykelti marrying some guy she dated for 5 months at age 19 whom the family didn't know well at the time of announcing it in Hawaii, discussions of what will and won't be 'told' on 'tell all' or shown on the show, maybe #4 said, if I have another kid, I'm not doing it on tv for the third time, and kody was like, oh yes you will and she was like, well, then I won't be having more, who knows, there could be all kinds of stuff we don't know about, and I would wager there is. He either is pretending not to care, or worse, actually doesn't really care. The thing that would be a bomb is if the catfish story was invented , meaning this JO person exists , has that blog and all that, but there was some real dude as well. Meaning that some of the texts and voicemail stuff is real. Kodster talks a good game but he sure was staring at Meri like he is still trying to get at something, as if he himself doesn't believe her, even as he spouts his land-of-make-believe stuff about 'they aren't real'...remember how these people love half-truths and plausible deniability, so they can say they aren't technically lying. Watching how awkward they all are together is infinitely more interesting though than the catfish story. The whole 'we were targeted, we're victims' thing in light of what has been on the news lately is tiresome. What is left for them, the kid was born, Maddie got married, Hawaii trip, Mykelti bombshell, umm what else? Please, no more boring bday/pool parties... She was totally full of it with the spliced and diced. They aren't particularly good liars either. Worse, I wish they talked about other stuff, cause catfishgate is getting played out. Even though she tries to come off with that same fake-authoritative tone her mom does, I still feel bad for her, if only because it is rough to see one's parent not even that oh, they did something I don't agree with, but as fallible, as people with faults, as imperfect- because in feeling bad for her mom, she would also have to accept things are not all hunky-dory with her parent's relationship, or that her mom might be fearful of kody, or that he treated her crappy and maybe she is not this 'strong, empowered woman' Mariah thought she was, or that her parent's plyg lifestyle can lead to people feeling lonely and neglected, or maybe even she as a kid, has her own gripes about how she was raised, who knows, it just opens up a huge can of worms. He does seem to just take everything back to himself, even when he is trying to be 'introspective' it is still not really any great philosophic epiphanies , just how does this affect the kodster. How he said that was almost like he counts himself as a separate entity despite all his talk about 'the family' and the rock-building thing that failed with Christine. Well, maybe in his head, he refuses to admit he is aging along with everyone else, even if he can keep making kid after kid, hence the 'grow up' part , meaning himself. Also wondering if that 'grow up and stop having kids' was brought about by the mere suggestion of a possible #5. I'm not sure if he is actually mad about them picking on him or if that is pretend-funny for TV. Do agree and have said similar in the past that it does seem to his advantage that the wives do not 'unionize' , so to speak, to demand fairness and equal treatment for all, rather than individually kissing ass and playing up to him, trying to curry favor while maintaining competitiveness and jealousy with each other. If they actually do get together, just the women and start coming up with what they want and don't want either individually and/or collectively , his little kingdom of 'ooh am I the 'favorite' this week?' nonsense is done and he will have to do more than just be the hair-tossing fun guy, or the 'I'm mad at you, you have to win back my approval guy' or whatever of the many personas he wears. He will have to back it up with behavior and change and perhaps some sacrifice on his part.

'Tell All' Tamron: Now we've seen a lot of emotions on this show with you all, there's been a lot of crying, a lot of ...turbulence..and some of you are trying to 'mend fences' (gestures to Janelle and Meri) So Kody, is it true that you can dish it out, but you can't take it? Kody: (hair toss, looks around, blank stare) They all pick on me in their own different ways (group teeheehee) Christine: well it is kind of true, it does sometimes feel like it is all on us to change Kody: (shoots Christine one of his best stern-blank looks for ruining the not-funny-but-at-least-nervous-laughter-at-kody-playing-the-victim) "I can't do everything. Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor!" (Kody borrows from original star trek, thinking it's cute).. (Janelle alternates between eyeroll and courtesy giggles) Tamron: "Meri, so is everything starting to get back to normal? the whole catfish situation.. are you feeling stronger now?" Meri: " I theeeenkk I'm trying. I'm trying, Kody's trying. We're all trying....and I theeeenk things are getting better." Tamron: Robin, has this brought you and Meri closer or are things still needing work? Robin: (does annoying shirt-fidget-adjusting-and-plays-with-hair) "Wull, I juss keep lis'nin' and we keep talkin' n stuff. (more noises, little content). Tamron: Christine? What are you thinking right now? Christine: "Have you ever thought of spelling your name T A M R Y N? Just saying.." Janelle: "That'd be so cool." (because Janelle always says everything is cool). (commercial break...and now for a word from reverse mortgages, herbal tea and adult undergarments..) Tamron: "So now we're back with some of the Brown kids to see how things are going for them..I hear a couple of congratulations are in order. Maybe more than a couple? (eyes all the oldest kids) Maddie, you and Caleb were married recently (and here comes the predictable question..) are you finding not being in a polygamous marriage sort of strange since you were raised that way?" Maddie: yeah we were the kids, that was my parent's lifestyle. (moment of awkwardness because Maddie didn't do the predictable TV answer: Oh it's quieter for sure, and my kids won't have 3-4 moms, etc) Tamron: " Caleb, what do you think about all this?" Caleb: "We're good"... Tamron: "OK.... Mariah.... you and your mom have had to sort of had to find your way back to each other after all you both have been through..do you think you can forgive your mom now that time has passed?" Mariah: (looks around, not sure if she remembers if she is supposed to still be mad or not for the show) "I don't know, I'm only 22 I'm still learning about the world and trying to figure things out.. " Tamron: "but you have figured out you probably won't live the same lifestyle as your mom and dad?" Mariah: "Just because they do something doesn't mean I have to.." Tamron: "Mykelti, what is this we are hearing about you being engaged?! What happened to school? " Mykelti: "well... umm..yeah..Tony's, great and it's true we're engaged..uh school..." Aspyn: "she's more like our dad, a free spirit..not as much of an academic as Mariah" Mariah: "I'm not an academic, I want to be a medical assistant.." Tamron: Dayton, do you feel like things are more normal now, that all the dust has settled with the adoption? Dayton: "wait, didn't we already answer these same questions last time? They people watching already know all this, what is the point?" (Producers say to cut that last comment out or insert that as a random statement without the Tamron question preceding it- at the beginning of the show, stuck next to a shot of the kids laughing and other silliness. Oh ho ho, it's just so jolly and silly..) (and now a word from our sponsors...refrigerator magnets, potatoes and cat litter) Tamron: We're back with the Brown parents again.. here's the question we all really want to know, and when I last asked you , you said it wasn't in the stars..but now..so what about it Kody, is a 5th wife a possibility? (kody tries to take the temperature of the room without looking around, frantically searching for the best non-committal flippant-yet-reassuring right answer, Meri tries to keep a poker face, Christine has a wicked grin, Janelle looks about to nod off, and Robin of course, is about to cry.) Kody: " Uhh I haven't been called to that at this point (desperately hoping that will be sufficient fodder for Tamron but oh no, Tamron perseveres, handing kody an even bigger shovel to bury himself with..).. Tamron: "Does this mean that Ariella will be the last Brown baby? (Tamron casts her eye to Robin, Kody is relieved) Robin: "Wull, n'ver say n'ver but I'm not shere if I'm fillin' like doin' that 'gain soon, so I dunno." Tamron: " and what about the rest of you ladies, if Kody were to want more kids, the idea of another wife?" Meri:I theeeenkk me and kody-we're just all in a better place now than we were when Robin came into the fahhmlee. It would just depend. On a lottttt of theeeeenngzzz. But it's all about the kids, havin' more of 'em, so if it has to happen for that to happen, ok" Tamron (looks at Christine) "Christine, you had a hard time adjusting to the changes, do you think you could handle it again ?" Christine: "Oh that would be fun! I'm doing sooooo much better now, and my expectations are lower, I mean more realistic- too!, just kidding guys, love ya!" Tamron: and you Janelle, how would you feel about a 5th Brown wife? Janelle: " It'd be pretty cool ."

So the tent thing was before they were even living together or 'married' , shacked up or whatever? I thought all this time the tent story was that Janelle had left because things were so bad with Meri? You're saying this came before them living together and it was to impress him? Seems like the inheritance impressed him a bit more...but the tent thing, whether it lasted a day or weeks or whatever, wasn't because her mom wouldn't let her live in her house on the Wyoming ranch. I do remember there was some episode where they were looking at some little house that had the kids hand-prints in the cement and being all 'hey remember this place' but I can't remember where that was.

well this kind of situation can be spun different ways, one can look at it like gee, how bad must it have been for her to live in a teepee or tent in the winter (or was that bs and it really was a house?), of course the 'look I have money now.' thing could be wrapped as 'well Ill come back but we have to be in separate houses (funded by me)' so it wouldn't exactly be a lie to say 'well I said I would come back but I had conditions' . This is an example of how something is 'framed' and people draw their own conclusions. People might think , oh well kody set them up in a bigger place and things were better . Janelle came back on her terms, but really she financed it and probably put kody on title, which began the many rounds of bankruptcies/title changes. I don't know, she may look at him kind of like a time-share, especially if she is more introverted, she got to get out of the house and the general chaos with working, had a built-in nanny with Christine, and maybe liked her own space and didn't care if kody wasn't around that much. So maybe for her, she was cool with 'investing' in the old house and saw how it could work. She did get an entire half of the whole house as living space whereas Chris and Meri had an upstairs and a downstairs of the other side. I thought they had been in the duplex or triplex thing way longer than that. So before that they were in what? A trailer? With all those kids? Ye Gads.. It's really hard to say how Janelle felt about all this, it could have been like I outlined above. It is sort of weird how it worked out that she used to be married to Meri's brother but that isn't a sole reason for Meri to take a huge dislike to her. It sure looks like it is more awkward personality types, though I have seen very unalike people be able to become very good friends if BOTH sides can laugh at their own quirks and character traits and not take everything the other does as a dig or some form of sabotage or slight. It's hard to be able to laugh at your own personality quirks or shortcomings especially around someone you're not sure of, but it helps as far as accepting others and yourself as it makes you gain greater perspective: how the other person sees things as well as learning about picking battles and not everything needs to be a battle. The eyebrow thing was great because they both were able to laugh at themselves and not feel threatened. Maybe we can get them to have a bottle of wine and indulge in some 'high camp' 'Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?' (real quotes from the movie) Jane: You mean all this time we could have been friends? Blanche: Why are you doing this to me? WHY? Jane: You don't think I remember anything, do you? There are a whole lot of things I remember. And you never paid for this house. Baby Jane Hudson made the money that paid for this house, that's who!

Ok well here's a couple 70's teen idols and the geico caveman, the last being probably more accurate during his psycho happy/crazy/angry wedding shoot retrospective... If the geico guy retires, they should totally get kody to do it.

I don't get why people are acting like she has changed ,she was always just 'go along to get along', maybe she cares about stuff, maybe she doesn't. She probably didn't say much when she was peeved or unhappy so no one could come down on her for being a 'complainer', because in plygland it sure looks like one is supposed to put up or shut up when things suck. The thing she usually comments with is 'that sounds cool' or 'this will be really cool' and having heard her give this as a stock answer, again and again, it kind of feels like when you're talking to someone on the phone but they aren't really paying attention. I wonder if she has ever given a 'well that sounds cool' when someone tells her something terrible, and then had to backpedal. It could be platinum (Janelle) is the new orange (Meri) as far as the Kodfish house visiting goes, given that likely things are super awkward with Meri still, and the other two still have at least one or more real little kids and chaos. Must be nice to be able to just boogie on down the road when one or more situations you have had a hand in creating (endless children, neglected wife etc) gets to be too much, and the one whose place you are taking refuge in might not be annoyed with you for flaking on the others or not addressing their issues, but glad to be getting any kind of attention. Ugh. Benefiting from someone else's misfortune or misery, because it gives you more time with d-bag or somehow elevates you on the totem pole because someone else is having issues or just some pragmatic reason like 'not as much stress or noise or demands' at your house. Way to feel 'special'. NOT.

I thought he looked vaguely BeeGees or Andy Gibb-ish during one of those recaps of his smiley/angry thing. The hair-toss thing is also super 70's disco. Yeah, this. I don't think it's 'hate' or anything crazy like that , but they probably would have ideally wanted someone from their own 'culture', maybe because in Brown-world things are already so filled with drama and complications he might see this as being something he just doesn't want to 'dill' with. His whole pissy attitude through the whole thing might be because he did find out about the boyfriend/fiance thing before they got back, I would bet Christine was acting so weird he probably pulled this out of her and hence, was flipped out about this and not parking spaces or pork, but the show edited it so it looked like his crap attitude was about these petty things and not what it really was. That said, it must be weird for your daughter to have been seeing this guy that they don't really know and 5 months later be 'BTW, surprise, we're getting married'. And at 19. And from someone not someone they know from their extended 'family wreath'. And someone who has cultural differences. Boom. I wonder if Mykelti feels like because she dropped out of school, and then did the pawn shop thing that somehow she let them down and figures, well, I don't want to move back in or be a 'burden' on them so this is what I should do, it will make me look like I'm doing something 'grown-up', and Mykelti comparing the reaction her mom gave to Maddie to her mom's reaction to her announcement seems like she is seeking approval or acceptance. I don't know for sure though, this page she has says "live whimsically" https://www.instagram.com/mykeltib/ and there is mom hugging the fiance so I guess she got over it. Little kids coloring with marker pens on pit bulls. Charming, lol Aside from all that , I found more pics of Maddie's wedding on her pal's twitter https://twitter.com/dezireemirage In the background pic it looks like they have matching tats but I can't see what it says, and it looks like it's not in English. Can this crew get even more insane? I bet they can.

I am thinking the production and camera people sort of decide who gets thrown under the bus as far as making one or the other of them look stupid, childish and so on. I wonder if she gets pats on the head from Kody for saying nice things in a sweet, high-pitched voice about how fair and great he is, when we all know what a crock it all is. Just because she is grateful for anything he tosses her doesn't make him a great guy. I don't know about hate but so much seems fake, even the recent trying-to-be-more-convincing-Chris-and-#4-we're-pals-now bs. That let's make decorations for Aspyn's homecoming or move-in whatever seemed fake, as did the 'we bonded over making the cardboard boat' couch fake-friends thing. Granted, Christine is getting better at faking it, but if we're not convinced, I doubt #4 is either. That whole debacle seemed to illustrate how little he was invested in the original three as anything other than breeders or a friend or doing whatever for him , it was like , oh yeah of course I luuurrrve ya'll being the mothers of mah cheeeldrun but now.. ah am in rill lurrveee ! It did seem that way, even Janelle whom everyone thought or thinks is all detached looked disgusted with watching clips from the honeymoon tape. Anyone else not buy that speech about 'when yer sisserwife has yer back n wants rill happ'ness for yew it werks cause yadda yadda' on the couch....? It's clear there is a rift like a mount everest crevasse between several of them, and the ones who don't have a bigger rift or a more recent rift, or circumstances have moved them up a rung (like #4 pregnancy may have made the kodster hang out with Christine more often, thus making her feel like throwing #4 a bone of fake friendship, which serves her if Kodster and #4 buy it).. The odd couple thing of Meri and Janelle I thought perhaps would be at the least comical but for now still seems super awkward and pointless. It's really hard to keep track of all the directions the cosmic dysfunction is going since it has more angles every time you look at it. I think she confuses over-pronunciation with a sense of authority and confidence. "I did NAWWWTTTT mean for yadda yadda yadda" . Over catfishgate and whether she admits (to the rest of them? to us? don't care either way) anything, just bored with all of that. I can't even tell if she thinks she's "better" or if she just has no patience and isn't really that invested in the potential friendship. Both of them like things to Meri) be a certain way, in some other episode Meri said she liked things to be "perfect" likes to be direct and just do stuff without a lot of chit chat and Janelle) doesn't like confrontation and likes to talk about stuff and would rather be given a task and be told what to do than be the inititator. In this kind of dynamic, one is going to be the 'alpha' , the alpha is not going to switch to being another 'beta'. If the beta person doesn't like hanging around the alpha or feels pressured, go find another beta to hang around. When you deal with an alpha, you have to work up the nerve to tell them 'look , if we're going to hang out, I don't like it when you talk to me like (whatever) and directly tell them what is going on, although it is kind of like telling them 'stop being yourself'. They might not be constitutionally able to change, so you have to either accept it and limit your interactions with them to situations you can handle, or accept who they are and not get upset with it, or choose to not deal with them as much as possible. The alpha is not going to change (for you or anyone else) unless they feel THEY need to change, not because you whine at them and act like 'you don't understand me, that's not my style' especially if they have been in that role a long time. Let's see how that continues or not now that the pregnancy is over , if king kodfish swims back upstream. I also like Christine but I still think she's faking nice to #4. She does try hard, and for this I feel worse for her, that she actually cares and can be hurt by any of them. Her being nice to #4 reminds me of some season of big love when Barb was either having issues with mom of the year or drinking or something and not close to Nikki, or Nikki was in the doghouse with Barb over spending or something else and Nikki sort of started being fake-nice to Margene, and Margene bought it but of course Nikki had her own angle on why she was doing that. We have to keep in mind Christine is from plyg-mafia and probably is an expert on plyg head-games. I'd rather attribute it to this than her looking good and seeming happier is only because kodfish had been hanging around more while #4 was pregnant and cranky. I can't tell if she is trying to call attention that she is the 'youngest' even though she's not even that young anymore by speaking that way, or if she picked up that marble-mouth way of speaking during her bad-kid years. The older she gets, the more odd it seems. The examples of 'whoa look how mean she is to Kody now' according to the rest of the wives seemed not that big a 'dill' , and for all we know, could also be faked for the camera or the both of them going along with it. So much of it seems scripted or multilayered with part 'rill' , part fake, like that couch session where they were talking about the kids "are yew K, Mer?, are you feelin' sad 'cause yew wish yew had that 'sperience more than with the one kid?' Ugh cringe-worthy to see.

I'd ride the gravy train too, while socking away as much as I could, or paying off the mcmansion, and keeping as much separate from the rest of them as possible. I would bet the 'lovebirds' thing is over with, just because of time and kids, and of course, her wanting to not have to keep babymaking as I'm sure it isn't getting easier with time. They do need a new storyline though and endless weddings and baby showers and pool parties are getting lame. I think #5 is on the horizon, like other posters say. Sounds like more of a threat than a promise or incentive, right? If she's not on their planet, it's like she dodged a bullet. Maybe the kids can still visit her planet someday , omg, I can't lol... I'm not sure that 'everyone' does condemn her or has that self-righteous, mega-bitchy "doesn't matter if he's a douche, she signed up for it, nyah nyah", I'm a good girl and you're not, you didn't follow the rules,you're going to hell whereas I am in the luxurious time-share on super-special upgraded planet #1.." - this show, while having dog-paddled along for years, likely has a limited audience made up of curiosity-seekers and plyg-descendants or ex-plygs/current plygs etc., point being this is a niche interest, and opinions on the whole catfish thing are likely to be mixed between (at least) the two aforementioned groups. I used to be under the mistaken impression this was a matriarchal culture just because there were more women than men, but I was wrong. The almost high-school mentality of mean-girl passive-aggression and competition, back-biting and desperation in their bids to continually attempt to feel 'special' and get attention and approval is sad and sometimes torturous and sometimes embarrassing and uncomfortable even for the viewer to watch. If they think we are buying all the "oh look how cute and stupid Kody is when he does this, teeheehee" yeah we know all that lighthearted laughter is fake. If it got any more strained, you could feed it to the littlest Brown as baby food. I don't think it's playing the victim so much but the deal with the oh my, I'm so shy and passive, I can't deal..yoh it's just so awkward..yes it is getting tiresome. Even the 'will Janelle be friends with Meri' storyline is meh, don't even care if they get long or don't or hang out anymore. Maybe at some point you realize that while life may be too short to hold a grudge, it is also too short to spend a lot of time on something that just is too difficult to do and realize you don't have to make a false choice of either enemies or BFFs and just let things sort of lie somewhere in the grey area, a kind of limbo where you have to learn to accept things aren't going to always be comfortable and not everything gets worked out to everyone's satisfaction. It's kind of like a campground named 'too little, too late'. I think he is sort of admitting he was a tool, in one of the more recent shows they showed him watching himself and sort of shaking his head. Him doing that doesn't necessarily mean he still isn't a tool presently. The weird puzzled face he puts on whenever anyone talks about anything heavy almost makes it seem like he has some kind of disability, as if everyone started speaking in a language he can't grasp. We all know the look I am talking about, the trying to appear as if he is thinking or concentrating but looking more like 'lost-in-a -foreign- country-and-realizing-you-also-lost-your-wallet' look. He really does look like he is challenged on all things having to do with emotional stuff. I don't think he even realizes he probably wasn't even 'in love' with #4, he was just horny for something different. Now that has probably cooled and with it what he (and she) thought was 'love' on his end of it. Probably his take on it was well, you're all getting an upgrade in lifestyle because of #4 so suck it up or hey I have no reason, I'm just so great and you're lucky to be here http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html Celia is right about the childish thing, because most 2-3 year-olds are narcissistic and this is one of the earliest lessons some kids have to grasp, other people hurt when they fall down too, other people matter too, you have to take turns not just cut in front of everyone else, no, you can't be mean to the kid who is different cause you think it's fun, no you can't invite one kid to your party and not invite the brother or sister, and so on...basically the 'don't be a dick' early lessons in developing boundaries of one's own and respecting those of others. I guess some people buy into the 'cult leader' crap because he drinks his own kool-aid, so convinced he is of his own coolness. This is why on the other thread I chose the other plyg guy from the other show, not saying he didn't have his faults, just that he didn't act like he thought he was so cool. Wish they'd have a reverse plyg show on, with one woman and a few husbands, so we could see how that played out. I don't know, maybe some men would be all right with part-time and with having their space , maybe it's a different dynamic, it would be interesting to see.

I was wondering this too, this part didn't seem invented for the scene. I can't see the guy smacking them around, but people have been known to put up a front that all is well. Verbal abuse, like constantly criticizing or going into rages over everyday stupid things counts too, and breaks a person down. We don't know how tightly wound Brown is, so we just don't know. I really hope this isn't the case.

that whole scene was weird, Im glad I FF it, I'm thinking that is the last on camera SW birth video. Unless of course #5. I'm glad the kid is ok of course, I'm just not into watching others spawn or whatever. It makes me feel like I'm watching that other channel, the one where we watch animals in the wild. Maybe people who are in the medical or midwifery fields get something out of it, but it just seems like watching something a little too intimate and well, ick factor. prob some version of 50 shades with them. Hence the safe, lol. Or it could just be cause he's a dork. In their heads, all of them are Mrs Browns of one sort or another. I kinda get the vibe they aren't too worried about silly stuff like legalities, unless it's to their advantage of course. Otherwise , if it ain't magical, it ain't real. What was up with all this 'Esmeralda' stuff? The kids are getting to be more interesting than the adults. I loved Gwen's sarcastic-y comment, and even funnier was that the intonation was just like her mom, only incisive. I hope they give her more screen time. YES on the seeing all the old photos of the kids and them- surprised Meri said feeding Janelle's baby was weird. I don't think it is all that weird, since then at least they were kind of like a little tribe or something, and their kids are related. It was a kind and smart thing to do. Blah on the extended 12" mix of the labor, I FF through it as well as when #4 started whining about 'but the pee-pull at home n stuff, I don' wanna..' You just know that whole thing paid for the Hawaii trip. Oh and triple yes on the super creepy parents, especially step-dad in the room. I don't know, I mean, I'm near San Francisco and have seen a lot of weird sh*t but man I would not want a stepdad hanging out in the room.. just no. And.. quadruple yes on that awful poster which just screams everything high school cheesy. And now folks, Ktel presents "take a look at me now' by Phil Collins themed prom.. . there was also some weird statue couple thing in the purple bathroom with purple flowers around it. It's like the taste of Fast Times at Ridgemont high mixed with home shopping/pimp my funeral home.. I don't know.. let's hope that is some weird spare room and real people don't sleep in there. It's purple cause we're royull and baby 'Ima treat yew liike a king! ' can we see Kodfish in a burger king hat? Oh wait, I think we already did years ago. from what I've seen, I would bet Janelle doesn't really give 2 youknowwhats about the whole milk thing, she seems to take a more pragmatic approach to everything. I did my part, I produced all these kids, I worked, I did the budget or whatever, it's seems to be the interaction part that is the problem as far as maybe feeling talked down to, or however Meri may have spoken to her. Meri may not have even done all of it intentionally, but you know how it is when someone makes you feel crappy but then you just don't want to deal with them, because you feel like they aren't going to change and they aren't going to get what your gripe is and they might even get worse....this crap is probably even more intense when they were younger and living in closer quarters and cared more about keeping score of how many kids or who is top dog and all that BS. this, again. Seems like many of us noticed that and I usually don't notice the background stuff, until I saw that, then I saw the weird bathroom statues lol. Gwen is awesome, I like her eccentric and biting sense of humor. They are aren't they, all in different ways. Dayton stands out because he is one of the few with logic skills who actually thinks things out before running with the bulls, so to speak. Hunter is built like a brick youknowwhathouse, though the hair makes me think of some cartoon show my oldest watched in the 90s, but who cares, right? Logan is cute as well, and he and his gf make an attractive couple. All the other kids we hardly get to see that much, the younger group. The one kid is humongous. Who does he take after? That was sh*tty even if she didn't mean it to be. Ackk try to be a pal off-couch , not when you're playing to the camera. The watching of the Sol birth video and Meri tearing up after wasn't even about the whole baby thing but more how she thought things were going to go with their friendship and reflecting on how things went after that, sometimes looking at old stuff will do that, even if one isn't a plyg of course. It sucks to see photo or video of people you aren't friends with anymore. It must suck harder to live next door to them. Etc, etc... I think that bummed her out because maybe SHE didn't want to have to keep cranking out kids she would have to take care of and Meri saying no meant she would have to start having more kodlets, pronto. Having one she could hand off would satisfy the spirit baby provider thing , but then she could go back to the little deal of just her first three and Sol, and Kodfish, and buy herself another couple years before that would even come up again. Saying she was holding out on making more kodlets waiting for Meri to decide is just another buying time device. I bet she is done after making such a drama of this last one. That was probably the point of the "I fill weird, like somthin' ain't right, worried' stuff. That whole thing put Meri on the spot when Meri may not have ever broached the subject (surrogacy) with her at all. I thought by now #4 would have had like 3 more kids. Eh whatever. #5 is on the horizon, they are already building that foundation with the '#4 and I are sorta in a rough patch' thing..maybe that part is even true. It must be tough to keep that geisha girl 'every day is a honeymoon' thing when you're huge and feeling gross. Christine looks great , especially liked when she had her hair in that kind of straight surfer/brigitte bardot semi-messy look. She and Aspyn have that 'flaxen' shiny golden blonde that is fairly impossible to fake, you have to be born with that kind of hair. Even when I don't agree, I love reading the comments here. I might even have to add more to the role-play thread just for the sheer silliness of it all.