BlackWidow

not to detract from the sadness of Bernie's death , RIP, but I found this the other day . I think it is also on spotify if you don't use iTunes and some other player https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shift-gets-real/id1466959792 or watch https://dimitrisnowden.com/shift-gets-real/ when I tried to go to their https://shiftgetsreal.com/ I got a warning from my antivirus "the certificate used to encrypt your connection to this website does not match the domain it was issued for. Attackers might try to steal sensitive information from you, such as passwords or credit cards." which was weird so I didn't continue on to their site

It reminds me of the scene in Silence of the Lambs where Foster is doing the autopsy and she says something like "glitter. Looks like town to me."

It's probably getting to be about the time these shows rethink the format , you know the whole 'couch talks', endless invented 'celebrations'.. somehow the reality has gone out of it and many of these shows have become a little too slick - you know when the viewers are skeptical of whether the ppl are actors it's starting to feel fake. I know there are tons of ppl into this though because there is some dating site out there for sisterwives and there are tons of couples on there so they would have a lot of real people to choose from. Oh and here's a gem http://thebreadwinnerpodcast.libsyn.com/dimitri-snowden-episode-51-the-breadwinner-podcast-ft-tyler-harris I don't know, this ontological architect thing sounds like so much BS anymore. I don't know if I believe this brother has a real job. They do give off the air of hustlers. Sure they might have been the most interesting of the bunch, but is that saying much?

Anyone wondering if this is coming back? Even if everyone from the previous seasons bailed, there has to be other couples out there , or maybe they could add a polyIamory show with different relationship configurations, I don't know. Last season was such a cluster, certainly a hard act to follow. I don't know about you all but I'm still butthurt over the WTF happened Snowden debacle, and then we had the Jennifer thing with the other family, Brandy-gate with yet another family. All that was so soul-sucking I hardly remember the non-drama family. Hopefully, whatever follows will feel 'real' and not have the taint of 'well, someone who knew someone asked this person to be in the show' or that any couple/woman is doing it just for tv money.

Although, this coming from someone with your screen name also makes me laugh. I love this place...and I hate to admit, I was actually SAD about them breaking up, Vanessa leaving, and then I was sorta mad about all this 'I can't talk about it' BS. I tried to dig up dirt but all I could find were random stuff like Ashley's 'real' or pre-D name was Adkins but I couldn't find much on them together, on zabasearch or otherwise. If this whole thing was made-up, or a great part of it, whether it be A&D or the kids were not even theirs or maybe there's more to their backstory that Vanessa didn't know... I realize this all means 'no life' but hey we all need an escape from real reality. As an aside, at least their dresses weren't as horrific as some of the Brown celebration dresses. Well, except for the shorts thing, that was just...kinda tacky. I feel g***** at the tell-all that they didn't 'tell all' they just played along and this NDA thing is really weird. The rest of the tell all was decent. I know it's not the popular opinion but I'm not really feeling like what Brandy did was cool, I don't see how it was necessary. That said, it doesn't take away from Paige's flaws but I felt bad for her cause all that was just embarrassing. They did bring the drama however, as did the Jennifer debacle. I was impressed with Sharis' articulateness re these kind of relationships, she could totally do you tube. Oh yeah the other family, the Winders, he looks better whatever they did to his hair and the beard, I'm glad the first wife got to speak up a little bit, I was always worried she was like not abused per se, but that something was wrong cause she was quiet a lot during the season. Her new hairdo is cute too.

I don't know, I kinda think Ash and ' Tha D' would be great say in the next Jordan Peele flick (Get out, which I liked, 'Us', good technically but storyline blew). Vanessa, instead of the "I'll do/be anything you want' nonsense, can be the mad max badass, and maybe can run up against some post-apocalyptic trolls (Jennifer?) and maybe she can run for political office or at least be some kind of sisterwives union organizer where people have rights and no one has to give up food they like, no forced doo-rag/scarf thingee wearing and no mandatory hoo-hah steaming etc. Meanwhile Ash and Tha ever-be-vested D can stalk the woods (seattle? Twin Peaks?) in search of their next 'catch'....

I just discovered mama donna's twitter , lots of great awkward wedding photos and some funny facebook sayings and random stuff https://www.instagram.com/mamadonnatlc/ ash has more than one twitter it appears https://www.instagram.com/ashleyksnowden/?utm_source=ig_embed https://www.instagram.com/ashleytheadviseher/ vanessa I think some presnowdenized https://www.instagram.com/vanessacobbs/ I didn't bother looking up Dimitri, because one, I had already seen enough on theirs and two, let's face it, on these shows usually the man is just not that interesting

Does anyone think Dimitri's mom 'throwing shade' on Ash is because of the woman who came before Ash and she sees Ash as the 'other woman' ? The whole 'I don't trust women' really means I don't trust YOU. And they aren't saying about baby mama #1 on the show but that is what all that was about.. I don't know , did she have kids when she met him or was the actual 1st wife (gf? whatever?) his baby mama?

Ok yeah I'll def give you that, all the kids for that matter. I guess because they are all under 18, they would have had to send them to grandma's or make other arrangements. But again yes getting the kids involved with someone one parent is into, the other is meh and seeing those kids cry was just awful. They have probably had to deal with a shit ton of complicated stuff and a bunch of changes already. House burning down, RV, moving, parents getting arrested. They certainly don't need to be emotionally invested/divested on top of all this other stuff. I guess I never bothered or couldn't pick up the Bernster's agenda of what he is in it for. Like I said, he just reminds me of a LOTR dwarf, only ,much bigger. Kinda like a garden gnome.

I heard or read somewhere 3 is the minimum to get into planet Mormon afterlife and then 7 is some other level after that... Maybe someone here knows. I don't know how all the Brady wives got 'picked' , I know the one you claim his favorite was originally one he asked to marry him before even wife #1 but she ended up doing her own thing and then 10 yrs later came back. I didn't get the feeling every wife was buddy-buddy with every other wife. That said, it must be difficult sharing your primary relationship AND having to deal with these other people AND a bazillion kids. I still don't know what to think about Ash as far as if her heart is secretly breaking or she is actually 'IDGAF' but needs to appear she is sort of wrestling with it and being ultra generous to Dimitri when actually she sees it like, no one is legally married anyway, we all get tv money and exposure to build a brand , and legal marriage or not, Dimitri would have to pay support for those kids ,and whatever kids he has with Vanessa- so if the number of kids gets high enough, it doesn't pay for Dimitri to bail out of there. Sure Ash repeated the line I have heard the other plygs say about 'if anything happens to me, my kids are good because of her..' Def have to watch parts I FF'd through to watch the one relative interrogating Ash, which I thought was weird, because wouldn't she be more after Dimtri?

I'm not sure I do give a side eye to that because it might not always be about making more kids, and getting it on. Those two were a particularly bad match as Brandi seemed like she's the talk everything out right away and very reactive and Paige seems more like the 'learn-as-you-go' type,, among other reasons. Sure, Paige is a lot to deal with but I would bet there are way worse- who maybe play sweet to your face but then plot behind your back- at least you know what you're dealing with, with Paige. The idea for more than one might also not be rooted in religion or children but maybe even practical reasons: one more person helping out with whatever, childcare, working outside the home, cooking - there's lots of things besides sex and God needed to keep the lights on- in some of these situations it may be practical though they might never admit it. Meanwhile I did a google search to see the Bernster's new hair and only got the mugshot photo and can't tell because the light is bad as far as the new hair. Maybe someone has a shot of this and will post it.

Ah yes corporate/hipster babble-speak. Ugh. I'm almost through the podcast link I put up that supposedly the Snowden crew are behind (called 'saving sister wife', it's on iTunes and on some other link I posted) .. Wow, they don't really censor themselves on that, and they aren't prudish. I was actually surprised to hear some things that Vanessa said that I don't really want to repeat here. It wasn't like it was politically incorrect, it was more like eww. I did a quick FF through the wedding stuff so I have to watch it again. The outfits, Vanessa in particular struck me as kind of 1980's Stevie Nicksish…. except the shorts.

I cant remember if they got 2 seasons or just the one but yes they seemed less slick and that was what I liked about them. I don't remember if the jealously was any worse than what we have seen on other shows. I picked up more like who was friends or supportive with who and who walks on eggshells and just quirky weird stuff. Brady didn't strike me as either playing the 'look at me me the fun guy!' or macho posturing. It wasn't on long enough to get a real feeling about their separate personalities. I think they occasionally youtube but it would be awesome if they came back.

I've been holding off on watching this, and the more I read from you all, the more I have to see it (never worry about 'spoiling' stuff for me. I keep thinking of that foreign film 'raise the red lantern' where there's 4 wives (but it's in historical Chjna and it's more like an empire), but even that was more like the kodster and crew than 'AVD' (Ash, Dimitri, Vanessa). I'm not sure there is anything at least 'western' as far as precedence goes that isn't straight up 60's or 70's hippie commune deal that even approaches this group. All these add ons everyone keeps posting like foot-washing, and of course the obligatory bindi, the Erica Badu headwraps which I don't know is some cultural thing or a fashion thing, there's the Dimitri always-in-a-vest thing, the weird alkaline cooch diet... oh I almost forgot to tell you about this podcast they have, apparently they have altered the name to 'saving sister wife' or something probably copyright issues https://www.listennotes.com/da/podcasts/saving-sister-wife-reviews-hosted-by-the-nM2LjDvbZyX/ It's pretty darn weird and no doubt ppl here will have something to say about it, I just want to see what people say about the three episodes on there.

I don't even take into account whether or not I 'like' them, they are entertaining. I do like Ashley's 'don't give a shit' laid-backness. Sometimes I wonder, is she actually that chill or is she on the medical pot? Is it possible for anyone in this kind of lifestyle to be so 'totes whatevs' as Ash? That is what makes me feel like she is over birthing/banging the guy and has started to look at it like a job position she gets Vanessa to fill. Aside from tv money, I mean how much does a .. what the hell was it Dimitri does "design experiences"? Ontological architect? Is that even a real thing or is that like a made-up thing and he actually doesn't have a real job? I'm going to watch this tonight and never mind getting spoilers, it just gives me more to look forward to. Can't wait to see TSHTF at their shin-dig , all the relatives drama and the kooky clothes. I guess I've gotten used to the usual kind of plygs and this is just something totally different, which adds its own novelty I suppose. I do miss Brady and bunch, don't know why they got cancelled or whatever.

Why does this remind me of a diary entry from a certain notorious 'mom' in FLA. The Alldredges dodged a bullet IMO

I just saw that episode. So much general disturbance. I don't hate any of them but I do think when it was clear Paige was kind of 'tolerating' me. I would have backed off on the questioning and pushing and doubled down on the go with the flow. I would bet anything when Brandy was there before, there might have been fewer parental fights because people don't like to air their dirty laundry, so the kids equated having a sister wife as bringing more peace. In this case I just think they were ill-matched from the gate. Brandy didn't get it when Paige was trying to make a point about 'why would I have you in my house, around my kids.... that would be dumb' and Brandy took it the wrong way. Which is not to say Paige can't be obnoxious but I think she's the type who comes off like a bully when really she is nervous herself and Brandy hammering on the questions wasn't helping matters. It also seems like because they were so so awkward, that they haven't been on the phone talking about day to day stuff. When you aren't on super comfortable terms with someone, maybe you don't poke the bear and then expect it isn't going to chase you. The husband I'm thinking is an extra from LOTR.

What was that crap about 'and when we get married I'll move it to your left ankle." Is this some kind of kink thing? And the outfits? Did they read 'Prisoner of Gor'? Or is it more sci-fi like 'Dune'?

Is it just me or do you get the 'vibe' ol Ash doesn't really give a shyt about Dimitri that much anymore but she will pretend to as it serves her? I've read several places people think their whole thing is fake but I don't think it is completely made-up, I just kind of get the vibe Ash is over it yet doesn't want to be on her own, and this is a way she can do that whilst making Dimitri feel like she's doing him this big favor.

Kind of a related and sad aside: Bill Paxton (Big Love) has passed away from surgery complications. I don't know how ya'll feel about that show and yeah I know it's a different show and cable, but I mean come on there are only like what 3-4 plyg shows , some of which are not on anymore, so it's sorta related. I wish BL had run longer, thought the writing was very good, and well-cast, produced, etc.

Kody is in deep youknowwhat.. he's been hiding a possible Secret 5th wife, who is a somewhat disaffected, generation X pseudo-goth who never acts like a high-school girl around Kody. She's been sort of couch-surfing since they started 'courting' though Kody is starting to feel like he's never going to get anywhere. It's up for grabs whether some of the other wives even notice or care. The way it is playing out is the antithesis of the last courtship. Worse yet, Kody fears that at least some of the wives like her more than they like him. . No, get your salacious little minds out of the gutter- remember, they don't go 'weird' (lol). Kody to potential wife #5, who is lounging on A futon in Janelle's garage, it's about 9 or 10 at night: " Daphne, I was thinkin' ..I wanna do this right this time. We need to get to know each other better. Tomorrow morning, why don't we go for a walk or go to that clay class , we could make something?" Daphne: " Uhhh mornings. What about later tonight?" Kody: "but I can't, it's Robin's night, then I won't be able to see you until Monday night.." Daphne: "That's fine, Monday it is then. Scrabble?" Kody laughs thinking she was kidding about playing a board game : "Daphne, you can't just lie around these old moldy books and hide in here all the time. When are you going to be part of things?" Daphne: "what you really mean is agree to TV, don't you?" Kody: "Well, that's part of it, I guess..and it would really help.." (sounds of someone walking around the house.) Janelle calls out "Daphne, are you down there? I just got some salads, are we still on for no-popcorn movie night?" Daphne, calls out to Janelle: " Yeah we totally are Janelle, I'll be up in a minute, Kody's here." Janelle: (calling back out from wherever) "Oh , sorry, I didn't know." Daphne: "no worries Janelle, come on down, he was just leaving.." Kody: " What? No, I wasn't, I thought we were going to talk or ...something." His phone is buzzing. Daphne: "someone is texting you. Maybe you should answer it. " Kody looks at his phone. Kody: " ugh why doesn't she just text you? It's Christine, she was asking if I knew where you were and if you felt like going thrift store shopping with her tomorrow.. did you lose your phone?" Daphne: "No, I didn't lose it. It's turned off. Maybe the battery died, it's been off for a while. " Kody : " see, this is an example of what I was talking about. You can't just avoid the family meeting where we tell everyone. You can't just avoid the cameras. You can't just hang out in my Janelle's garage and not really live anywhere here and never go out during the day, you can't......." Daphne: " Why not? She doesn't care...and you knew I didn't like the hot weather before I moved out here." Janelle comes down the stairs to Daphne's makeshift garage room. Janelle: "Kody, Robin just texted me asking me where you were. You're going to have to tell her at some point." Kody: "Um I don't know if she's ready yet. " Daphne: "isn't she the one who says 'amazing' and 'done' and 'chill ' and stuff like that?" Kody: " yeah ... I mean she talks that way because... because..." Janelle "Oh Robin already knows, I think." Kody, looks at Janelle, aghast, then looks at Daphne who is picking the pilling off her black sweater. " What?! Who told her? You? " he asks , looking at Janelle. Janelle: " As if, Kody. I think she went over to Christine's , you know, their fake-buddy thing they have going and saw Daphne on her couch the other day. So I think maybe she might know. " Kody: "she knows or she might know? Those are two different things." Janelle" "Kody I don't know. Hey can we just have our salads and watch our movie now?" Kody: "but Janelle, I have to go over there tonight ..Did Christine tell her anything?." he asks, looking at both of them. Daphne: "I doubt it, but I don't know, I was asleep. Maybe she wasn't even there that long." Kody: " maybe I can have Meri talk to her..no wait, I just remembered she's not even around until Sunday because of her lula stuff. but what do I tell Robin? " Janelle: " I don't know, look Kody , this is sooo not my problem .." Daphne: "have to go over there?" Daphne says, echoing his words in both a sarcastic and accusatory way. (Janelle snickers) Kody: "Ok that sounded bad, I didn't mean.... But, what am I going to say if she asks something.? Now I'm really screwed. If she doesn't know I'm screwed and if she already knows I'm screwed for not saying anything until now, especially if you and Christine and well, even Meri know. But I guess it is up to me what I do, so I'm only partially screwed. I mean, I still am the leader, right? I don't have to get approval. Oh God, she probably has figured it out by now..." Janelle sighs and says "Umm Yeah Kody, you actually do have to get approval, remember? But..Daphne can stay over here with me, it isn't like Robin is going to come over here to hang out anyway.." Daphne: "She isn't going to care that much. It's not like you're throwing me around on a beach or giving me string rings or saying I'm too cute to cook and crap like that.." Kody: "Oh yes she will care and as far as all that goes, it's sure not like that now.. great now I have to go get dressed up and try to have a real date....." Janelle: "Ok good luck with that. See ya whenever.." Daphne: "yeah see ya Monday.."

That said, they aren't the only groups with lots of babymommas and/or a ridiculous amount of kids that take handouts as well as protest, fraud of various sorts or not. They're just more famous.

And it has something to do with the whole welfare thing as well. I believe it it were legalized and regulated, they would then go after the dads or do dna testing or something in order that people couldn't just write 'father unknown' so as to avoid paying back welfare or even with proving underage abuse, etc. The reason they only want decriminalization is way beyond insurance and lawyers, it's about not getting in trouble in other ways and still being able to exploit the sytem.

For more plyg fashion weirdness, try this : http://mormonhair.tumblr.com/ Ahh you brought back the horror of laura ashley in that time period, out west it was all about pastel florals. It was like church on easter, puffy sleeves and shoulder pads combined with maybe a mid-level 80's hotel wallpaper/sofas. I couldn't pull off this look at all. Too short, too top heavy. Someone might have mistaken me for a reading chair at a retirement place and sat on me. What was even worse is when they tried for a Georgia O'Keefe southwest theme with patterns and colors. Ugh. Seriously Jeniffer Beal in 'flashdance'. It should have ended there. Since when did anyone see that movie and think 'omg this is perfect for moms in Utah! Let's do this!'