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Jensen in PJ's is everything I didn't know I wanted.

This was filmed when Jensen was on back in September. They just didnt' air it until now.

It's from The Princess Bride.

LOL Jensen.

Discuss Dean in episode 14 1. Nightmare- This was a good ep. I thought it helped set up the mystery of the season nicely. But I always felt so bad for Dean. His reaction at the end was the first time I wondered if John might have been physically abusive towards Dean. I never felt he was anything like Max's dad but I do believe there were times he reacted in a physical manner towards Dean. It also shows how much Sam didn't realize exactly how much Dean did for him, when Dean tells Sam that he has something Max never had, and Sam said Dad, and Dean had to point out Sam had him. It also a big clue, IMO that Sam and Dean were not close growing up and that is really fan fiction. 2. Born Under a Bad Sign- This was really more Sam centric but I still love this ep. Its when Jo started to grow on me. Jensen was great showing how frantic Dean was. It also showed his instincts on full display. He knew there was something else going on. It also showed his faith in Sam. 3. Long Distance Call- I remembered when this ep aired and a big criticism was that Dean looked dumb for beleiving. I never felt that watching this up. Mostly because I think deep down, Dean knew it wasn't their dad. He was just so desperate to believe that he convinced himself. When he was younger, Dean believed their dad could save them from anything, so I can see Dean needing to believe that their dad would be able to help them with his deal. "Maybe that's all I got." That summed it all up for me and made it obvious. Dean needed to believe this. Jensen nailed Deans' desperation. 4. Sex and Violence- I liked this ep the first time it aired, but the way the "resolution" (and I use that term lightly) played out, it makes it hard to watch that nothing Sam said was ever really addressed, expect for Sam's snotty, "do we need to talk about this" Unfortunately, Sam sees to really believe the thing he said about his brother. So its really hard to watch this in repeats. 5. My Bloody Valentine- This is another ep that really doesn't hold up on rewatch. It was disappointing that they just dropped Dean feeling empty inside, and the way Dean was made to just stand around at the end of the ep. 6, Mannequin 3: The Reckoning- Nothing really stands out in this ep. I did like the premise of haunted organs but the concept kind of got lost. I think there was a scene of Dean talking to Ben, but not a real stand out for Dean. 7. Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie- I loved this ep. I thought it was a great stand alone that was equally balanced between Sam and Dean. I love that Dean watches shark week. I love Shark Week and it makes me love Dean even more that he does too. It even had the first BM that I enjoyed in a long time. Because Sam removed the stick for his nether regions and allowed Dean to tease him. It was great to see Dean get his slinky. But it also shows another sign of Dean's lost childhood. The only thing I didn't like was the show couldn't resist not making Deans' responsible for Sam's fear of clowns and making Dean apologize. He was a kid too. 8. Trial and Error- I hated this ep. I predicted exactly how it would go. It would make it seem like Dean was going to do the trials and then at the end he's make some dumb rookie mistake and Sam would swoop in when complete it, making him the chosen one once again, and Dean being relgated to the sidelines. I knew it the minute they annouced that only one brother would be doing them. Plus, I hated those speeches. It was thinly disguised, Sam's strong, Dean's weak. Dean's suddenly "sucidal" attitude came out of know where and was promptly dropped because suddenly Sam was. Sam didn't do or say a thing to back up anything he said. Despite the brains/brawn and Dean supposedly being a genius at lore, the show promptly made Sam both and went back to treating Dean like a grunt, and guilty cheeleader (*TM Jensen himself). 9. Captives- Dean, you constantly break my heart. I could feel the depth of Dean's dispair with everything in me. Jensen was phenomenal that whole season. 10. The Executioners Song- Beren's what happened to you? I can't believe he wrote this episode. It's one of the best of the series and should have gotten Jensen nominated for an emmy. It's one of the my favorite eps of TV. The writing, directing, acting, editing were all spot on. Thank Godness they let the Dean/Cain scenes breath and the editor didn't feel a need to constantly cut it. It was just epic. The fight between Dean and Cain is one of my favorites. Tim and Jensen just have such amazing chemistry. It even had a rare BM scene that I liked. When Dean just kind of collapsed in Sam's arms. I felt bad for poor Crowley when Dean gave Cas the blade. Poor Crowley, his crush was so one sided. 11. The Vessel- Jensen was really good in this ep, and I liked his interactions with the crew but it Dean really was superfluous to this ep. 12. The Raid- I enjoyed Dean telling off Mary but that was ruined when he was made to apologize for some very real truths. really liked Dean's interactions with Ketch and the start of their dynamic. David and Jensen have some great chemistry but over all it wasn't a great ep for Dean. The Ketch stuff was to get him off screen, and I didn't like they they made Dean learn another very special lesson about respecting others choices and then made it clear that its okay for Sam to completely disrespect Dean's and then Sam got rewarded for it. So I ask again, comparing this to Executioner's Song. What the hell happened to Berens? He's now my least favorite writer. 13. Good Intentions- I literally cannot remember a single thing that happened in this ep. I don't even remember what it was about. I seem to find I'm mostly neutral to episode 14, overall. Favorite ep- Executioner's Song. Least favorite- a tie between Trial and Error and The Raid.

Fingers crossed you do see them.

Have you ever run into Jared or Jensen "in the wild" as people say? Or been to the brewery?

I only watched the a clip of the 3 mintues of the episode and I feel like it doesn't matter that I missed and have no desire to watch the rest.

I'm mostly talking about the before situations not after. I don't see Sam as this poor put upon oppressed younger brother whose every move is controlled by Dean. In a matter of life and death, yes, but not day to day. Day to day I've always seen Sam as the more dominate brother. Sam gives as good as he gets. IMO, Dean is the bossy one but Sam is the far more controlling one. Ex Benny. Dean says, in or out but make a choice. Sam says Dump Benny or I dump you. How I wish Dean would would be given dialogue to stand up. I see this as the opposite. I find Sam gets rewarded for his mistakes whereas Dean is often punished for being right. Prime example being the Brits. Sam gets a self promotion to leader. Dean ends up as a flunkie under chief Sam who asks permission to go out on hunts. Benny is another example. Dean was right but Sam got rewarded when Dean ended up cutting off contact for no other reason than Sam having a temper tantrum. Even with Amy, despite Sam saying he was right Sam kept bringing her up. I think that was one of the few storylines where Dean didn't end up having to apologize for his actions. We will never agree so I'll agree to disagree on this point.

I would guess full, mostly because that looks like a refrigerator he's standing in front of.

About the picture of the kegs

Based on how Sam has acted in the past when Dean doesn't agree, I think its a pretty accurate guess to say that Sam would have played the little brother card. This is something Sam does frequently. Something Sam did with the Brits. He manipulated the situation to suit his own purposes and agenda. I suspect that if I did a detailed analysis of the show I'd find that Dean gives into Sam far more than Sam gives into Dean. Sam is also grown man who has a long history of standing up to Dean. "You treat me like a child" needs to stop being Sam's excuse when something he didn't agree with doesn't go his way. He's closer to 40, not 12. Dean also laid out a valid argument why he should go alone into the AU. Someone had to stay with Gabriel and Sam needs him so it makes more sense for that to be Sam, and also as back up if something went wrong. Sam agreed whether he liked it or not. He grudingly accepted Dean's plan If Dean accepted Sam's reasoning with the Brits,even though he didn't like it, its the exact same situation here. Dean didn't put Sam at the kiddie table. Unilaterally making a decision would have been Dean waiting until Sam was asleep and going without telling Sam. That's not what happened. Sam sounded like a kid having a tantrum because weeks later he decided he made the wrong decision.

These are both things Sam did to Dean. He knew full well Dean's position on the Brits and he still took away Dean's choice about whether or not he wanted to work for them. He lied and made Dean things under their command when Dean had no idea. When Sam finally came clean, Dean was left in a spot here his programming really wouldn't' allow him to say no. He wans't going to let Sam go alone into the lions Den. If he said "no" I can see Sam pulling out the kiddie table card again as he tends to when Dean disagrees with him. Dean really had no choice here but go along to get along. This, IMO, is the prefect example of Sam blame shifting. (Not saying that was your intention or you were making that point) It's only Sam's fault because Dean made him do it in the first place by not holding Sam's hand. Sam was the one that was lying. The burden shoudln't be on Dean. Dean gave Sam the perfect opening. He says, "Keep your secrets, just stop lying." Sam's response was to lie. If he needed assurance from Dean, he should stop playing games and just admit it. Dean's not psychic. Sure there were multiple times for Dean to admit the whole Gadreel thing and he chose to keep lying. The show never gave Dean the excuse that Sam made him do it by demanding he always put Sam first. Each was responsible for their own actions.

https://sexuallyattractedtofanfiction.tumblr.com/post/181175215792/underrated-detail-from-14x9-same-action Jensen is such an amazing actor. I just wish they would write for him

I wish someone would point this out to Dean rather than letting him constantly think an arch angel got the better of him. He did it without plastic toys. Go Dean.

Maybe Sam stomped his foot and yelled boo. The real question is why are they dumb enough to bring Michael back to the bunker.

While I wish this was true, the way Jensen was talking during the last JaxCon panel it clear he loves the working enviroment and the people. I don't think he's going anywhere until he and Jared decide to call it quits.

IMO its a betrayal because if the situation was reversed that is exactly how the show would have treated it. It wouldn't have been swept under the rug with a shrug and lets give it a shot. Dean certainly wouldn't have been given an opportunity to promote himself. So yes its a betrayal. Sam knew how Dean felt. If he wanted to work with them that's his right he's a big boy but he took Deans' choice away from him. He put Dean in a position that made it very hard for him to say no. When Dean asked Sam to pick a side, he sides with the people Dean didn't trust. Again Sam can work with them, but he owed it to Dean to be honest right from the start. Not to mention The Raid was a very special episode dedicated to telling us how wrong Dean was to try and control Mary's actions. Even making him apologize for giving her some hard truths. They just finished telling the auidence that it was bad bad bad for Dean to do this. Then they make it clear Sam is going to make sure Dean "comes around." That makes Sam a massive hypocite that the show gave him a free pass for. I never saw either of these things as OOC. IMO, Sam didnt' see this as a way to hunt. I felt he saw it as a way out of hunting. If there are no monsters left then he can move on. I've felt this is something that he's wanted all series. He's always needed an external reason to hunt. This is why this whole Chief stuff if far more OOC. Sam has always been manipulative. This might be more unpopular opinion but I've always found Sam far more controlling than Dean is. Sam is just more sly. He knows Dean's weak spots and threatens to leave if he doesn't get his own way.

The problem is that technically Sam never revoked consent for Lucifer. He took hold of him before he jumped. Then Cas pulled him out and left part of him behind. So technically Sam never really expelled Lucifer. But Lucifer still needed Sam's permission to repossess him.

Id like that becasue then we'd get 3 Jensen's in that scene.

Regardless, permission was revoked. Michael shouldn't have been able to get back in once he left.

Except Dean did expel him. He told him in no uncertain terms to get out. So if Michael left, permission had been rescinded.

This is the problem with the whole chief thing, it really prevents them for telling a story because Sam's record must remain unblemished, otherwise he would have accepted responsibility for Maggie and not let everyone whitewash his mistake and sweep it under the rug. So if any Supreme leader Chief's hunters gets killed its a mark on that. So I don't expect any AU hunters to be killed. I'm sure they're reporting back that they have everything under control. So far Michael's Monster Army has been less than impressive and I don't see that changing. That would be interesting if it was a visual representation of Dean. One thing I noticed, the beer on tap is Cosmic Cowboy. That is one of the beers Jensen and family serve at the brewery. I hope not because episode 11 has Donna and Mary in it, so its probably a ghurl powwa! wayward sue ep. And its written by Perez, so if Dean is off either hurt or stuck, he'll disappear for most of the ep.

My biggest worry for the promo is that the fight is between Sam and Michael. It will either be they have Sam win the fight and hold Michael down for Dean to yell get out, or Sam being beat up is what will get Dean to fight back. Either way its not really about Dean. I'm trying to figure out why Michael stashed Dean in a bar as the bartender. If it was full I might be able to see it but, we have never seen Dean in the history of this show want to be a bartender. The scenario doesn't really fit, so why would Dean just blindly accept that his his life? The writers don't know Dean at all. I hope the drunk is Benny. If it was that hanging out with Benny is something I could accept