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Maybe it's just me, but after Logan and Colin and Finn moved the party to the pool house Rory didn't seem miserable at all. She was drinking and laughing and joking with them all and even got honest feedback on her article from Logan.

That was at Casey's, which was in Stars Hollow all of season 7 but never mentioned in earlier seasons. It sounded like there was no bar in Stars Hollow before then.

He could have, but since they were in the pool house it might have taken a while to find her. I think coming out tipsy with the guys was a pretty clear sign to Dean. When Logan and his friends took her to the pool house to party, it seemed clear she was more into that than going out with Dean or she would have paid more attention to the time.

Not to be nitpickier, but this was after Richard agreed to bring his company back under the umbrella of Floyd's company where Margie worked to avoid the lawsuit. Richard left Jason the secretaries and the office and took the clients. I always thought Margie just went back to working for Richard.

I always thought the key mistake Dean made was when he told Rory Lindsey didn't want him to talk to her anymore but he wasn't going to let that happen. And Rory was an idiot for going along with it. What did she think was going to happen? Another pivotal moment was in TATT when Rory asked Dean if he was going to break up with Lindsey if she hadn't found Rory's letter. He assured her he was, but I think Rory knew then he was doing whatever was easy and not facing consequences. I'm glad he seemed to have matured by the revival. There are definitely kids that age who's goal is to be in a committed relationship and start their own family. For Dean, I think he proposed to Lindsey because he was trying to prove he was lovable. And, a girl who valued family over career was a better fit for him. But I think you're right, neither was very mature and their marriage probably wouldn't have lasted anyway.

I mostly liked LL's scenes in the bedroom, especially the morning one. Even more unpopular, I like their walk on the beach with Luke grumbling about the sewage and the high real estate taxes and Stan the raccoon. I can appreciate that he felt uncomfortable and was being honest about his feelings; I also appreciate that as soon as he realized he was upsetting Lorelai later that afternoon he changed his attitude. When they went back to Stars Hollow they both fell back into the same unhealthy patterns.

I don't care for parts of it, but there is lots of good including but not limited to the opening musical interlude, LL's 2 scenes, and Mrs. Kim chasing Rory away with the hose. Oh, and Jackson's pajamas. It's impossible for me to completely diss any episode from seasons 1-6--there are always good parts. And yes, I even mean AVV.

I'll second this. And expand it to say I'd still much rather see episodes written by the Palladino's than by anyone else, despite their assorted quirks/faults. To me, season 7 just isn't the same show, but like an alt-universe Gilmore Girls. Related to that, I'm glad to have AYITL and will happily watch more if they want to write it. Either way, I'm glad we got what was to me a more fulfilling ending than Bon Voyage. Last one, I really like Summer. Yes, the musical is long but I still enjoy it mostly (probably because I love Sutton Foster and could watch her in just about anything). I thought both of the leads played it just right. I enjoy the GG character's expression, especially Taylor watching them act what he wrote. Somehow it makes perfect sense that he's a frustrated (bad) playwright. I love Taylor too! Sure, he's annoying but he serves the town well. I don't think Stars Hollow fully appreciated everything he does until Jackson took over in season 5.

Logan is also in full control of his choices. He chose to out his girlfriend about a secret she was keeping in a public way that could have easily cost her two friends (Lucy and Olivia). He wasn't upset because a secret was being kept from poor Lucy, he was mad at Marty for creating the situation and mad at Rory for allowing him to do it.

After Rory explained the situation she offered to get Logan out of dinner and he declined. Also, asking Lucy how she and Marty met made it likely she would ask Logan the same thing. It seems to me Logan was fairly manipulative in the way he agreed to the dinner, started talking about everyone having a crush on Rory, and then responded to Marty's trust fund jab by asking Lucy how they met. He wanted to let the secret out while appearing that he had no choice. While I agree Marty shouldn't have lied in the first place and Rory shouldn't have gone along with it, it just wasn't Logan's secret to tell. Especially since Rory had explained how it happened and expressed concern about Lucy's feelings.

That would have been great. Rory didn't treat Marty fairly, but when you put it together with the LDB episode and Rory being rescued by Logan and his friends at the party it's easier to understand her attraction to the group. They understood and knew how to deal with things such as the Yale male party where it would be a completely foreign concept to Dean or Marty. Marty probably knew of her grandparents lifestyle and thought that was what she wanted for her future.

Trix's letter said she didn't think Emily "suitable" or had what it takes to be a Gilmore, and suggested Pennilyn Lott as a better choice. Sounds like an inheritance issue to me. The key thing is neither seemed to care if their child was happiest with the person they chose, and I can't see Lorelai being that way with Rory.

A co-worker who laughs (presumably because of the headphones he's wearing) makes you wonder what creepy Brendan was laughing about.

Yes, Logan could be very supportive and there were times when he asked how Rory was doing. And saying Rory called Logan in the revival when she was upset to see what she thought was a bit of an exaggeration. I was just thinking that the period of time Logan treated Rory best was when he was working for his dad and doing well, doing what he'd been raised to do. But then I remembered his British co-worker Bobbi. Were we really supposed to believe it would never occur to him to mention Bobbi was a woman? And he asked Rory "will you come celebrate with me tonight?" instead of us. It made sense that his co-workers were there too, of course, but he should have let Rory know when he invited her. It was the same in Say Something when he told Rory to come over without mentioning he had a group there playing poker. He liked to withhold information and keep Rory a little off balance giving him the upper hand. I agree, and realized this is what bugs me in Rory and Logan's relationship as well. Logan likes to be in charge, and when he's in his element (closing a deal, getting the job in SF) he arranges everything seemingly without even realizing he's making decisions that others close to him might want to be involved in. Even that the proposal had to be all or nothing was very alpha; Rory clearly wanted to continue their relationship long-distance and see what happened. I know that kind of relationship works well for some people, even though it forces one person to be dependent on the other. But for Rory, who grew up with her mom paddling her own kayak, it doesn't seem like a good fit long-term.

I don't mean asking for her consent before they have sex, more like in talking about everything in their lives. Like asking how she feels after the dinner with his parents, Mitchum's evaluation, her decision to quit school, her fight with her mom, etc. etc. He tells her how he sees these things but never asks her, at least that I recall. It seems like an important part of any long-term relationship that's missing from theirs. And Logan never mentioned he would probably get an offer for the position in San Francisco until he'd accepted it, picked out a house for them and decided where Rory could work. I hate this scene too. Logan accuses Rory of coming to him hoping he'll agree to commit, she denies it, he thinks for like 2 seconds and says "okay, I'll do it." Then instead of insisting that she wasn't trying to force him to commit and thinks he should think it over first, that they could talk about it in a few days, she agrees to go out to celebrate their newly committed relationship and send off the other women who were visiting and calling. Stupid. After that beginning it was really hard for me to believe their relationship lasted as long as it did.

That makes sense too. I agree Logan is very supportive of Rory, in his own way. But we rarely/never? hear him ask her how she feels about anything, what she wants, etc. He decides what would make her happy based on his observation of her actions, which is great, but causes him to treat her more like someone he's put up on a pedestal than a person he wants to know and love for who she really is.

The thing is, Chris shouldn't have been at the renewal in the first place since Emily invited him specifically to cause trouble for Lorelai, and he certainly shouldn't have followed Lorelai when she went to look for Rory. Lorelai got up to find Rory to take the picture and Luke went with her, as her date, probably because he didn't want to stay at their table where Chris had parked himself as an uninvited guest. There wasn't any parental reason why Chris needed to follow them. It's true Luke said and did things that were out of line but none of them would have happened if Chris hadn't overstepped in the first place.

I hate this too. In some scenes it feels like she's letting him tell her what to think--e.g. when he told her she shouldn't be upset about the bridesmaids because she believed that he believed they were broken up. She went along with it but was angry still for days because she never worked through how she felt. It's in character for Rory as she's definitely more dependent than independent, and in character for Logan to be forceful like his father. But I still hate it. It even holds true in the revival because every time Rory had a problem she had to call Logan to see what she should think. To me, that's a very unhealthy relationship.

Digger = Jason Stiles and Umlauts = Lorelai Gilmore. Rune was Jackson's cousin. From An Affair to Remember:

I always thought Digger suing Richard was Lorelai's confirmation that Jason was like her father in that business would always be his top priority. And through all their communication problems, personality difference, and obstacles it was clear that underneath it all Luke and Lorelai understood each other on a deeper level and accepted each other as is.

The actor got another show, as I recall. And Lorelai and Alex just drifted apart. We only got this when Lorelai and Sookie were discussing Max:

I also think this was the basis for his attraction to Lorelai--he thought if they were married it would cancel out his mistakes and put him in his proper place in his daughter's life.

I agree, yet I think that also explains why Christopher didn't know how to be a father in a situation that wasn't like his own family. If you grew up in a family that revolved around the father and his job, a father who didn't spend one-on-one time with his son just because he enjoyed it, there is no role model for being Rory Gilmore's father. I don't think that excuses the kind of father he was, by any means, but it helps me understand why he was like that. And I would never blame Lorelai for not encouraging him more or leaving a place in their lives for him because life goes on regardless. Also, my guess would be the purposefully drifting farther away was because of his parents who clearly didn't want him to have anything to do with Rory or Lorelai. Sure, he didn't have to listen to them as an adult but we also don't know if there were financial considerations dependent on Strobe's approval.

This isn't a fair comparison since in this instance Lorelai is the one faced with having a book written about the most important role in her life to date, one that began when she was still a teenager. Jess would likely be just as defensive under such circumstances. And I think his ability to put aside his feelings about Lorelai had much more to do with avoiding kicking Luke and Rory when they're down rather than showing his emotional maturity. It's much easier to take the high road when it's not you on the chopping block. I think we may have a few more clues: Luke's comment about keeping their families separate Luke telling Jess not to say what he was thinking about Lorelai and therapy Would a couple who's been together 9 years but never discussed having kids make mending fences with each other's relatives a priority? Just some thoughts.

I don't know, Lorelai was already upset about the book and finding out it was Jess's idea only made her more defensive. I'd have to watch again to be sure, but I recall her only saying something like "I can hardly wait to find out Jess's take on my life" which I would categorize as defensive and not an attack. Assuming they haven't had much closure in their relationship, it's not such a stretch to assume Jess had negative intentions.