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  1. I agree with this to an extent, but I also think Lorelai could have come to feel that she had to get away no matter what because she was a strong, independent teenage mom who was tired of dealing with a controlling mother. And we don't know there was no plan. She could have spent the last year or so putting away any money she could and researching towns and places where she might be able to get a job. I don't think we even know for sure that Stars Hollow was the first town she tried--there could have been a list of places and a plan. Also, don't forget to factor in that most 17-year-old's think they're invincible and nothing bad could possibly happen. From Presenting Lorelai Gilmore:
  2. It wasn't a major arc because the major story is always Lorelai and Rory and Lorelai's parents. Logan urged Rory to use his dad's lawyer but when her grandparents hired her lawyer there wasn't much else he could do. The Gilmores hired a lawyer for Rory because they blamed Logan. Rory felt responsible since she suggested stealing the boat and didn't blame Logan. Lorelai ended up not speaking to any of them and didn't even go to Rory's trial. Last, the fact that we didn't see it doesn't necessarily mean Logan wasn't charged and that the Huntzberger's didn't make some sort of arrangement. Sure, it would be nice to know Logan's side of things so we don't have to speculate, but I'm fine with a show called Gilmore Girls focusing on Rory Gilmore's consequences and not those of her boyfriend.
  3. Well, I would count these as references to Logan doing whatever he wants and not suffering consequences because of his family money. From Norman Mailer I'm Pregnant: And, this from But I'm a Gilmore: Mitchum's speech from Partings seems to indicate Amy didn't see Logan as being reformed by Rory's love for him: These are some of things from the show that make me think that Logan was always bailed out from being responsible for his mistakes. I doubt getting him off for stealing a boat would be any different. But again, everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
  4. The only factor that gives me to pause to not completely agree is the frequent heavy drinking Logan does with his friends. One could say if he didn't have Rory looking out for him after season 6 he could have easily gotten himself into more trouble than he did. As I recall, the father of the one of the rapists mentioned above used the argument that his son was drunk and shouldn't be held responsible for his actions. Which doesn't mean I think Logan would do the same thing, but it does raise the possibility. He's a fictional character and doesn't have a reputation or life to ruin. I'm sure we've all had the experience of having others say things about characters we like, but we don't tell them they can't. We all have our own perspective of the characters' behavior and have all seen the same exact scenes--it's not like anyone knows something that no one else knows. If you can't say it in the unpopular gg opinions thread, then where else?
  5. Except that I doubt how not to get caught ever entered Logan's mind when they were plotting to steal the boat; that was just something that happened after his shenanigans. And sure, Rory suggested stealing the boat but I doubt she would have made that suggestion to someone she knew to be a law-abiding citizen. Their conversation prior to taking the boat was along the lines of "welcome to the dark side," a theme that extended further into Rory's life with her decision to take time off from school, Logan throwing her a felon party and Rory's willingness to turn it all into a big joke. Very true. And yes, as far as we know Logan only stole boats and got off scot free, but that doesn't mean Mitchum wouldn't have gotten him off just as easily for more serious crimes, if necessary, to protect the Huntzberger name and heir.
  6. I actually agree with both sides of this, and hate the way the children are treated, especially when they're so young. And I get why Midge is leaving for 6 months but it's kind of like when parents get divorced and one of them moves far away. Sure, an adult has a right to do what's best for them, but I also think all kids have the right to parents who at least attempt to do what's best for their children. Childhood really doesn't last that long and being treated like you don't matter that much can have a huge affect on adult life. That said, since it's TV I'm willing to let things happen in the way that's best for the show.
  7. You might want to go a little farther, when you have a chance. Susie has some even better scenes in episodes 4, 5 and 6.
  8. I don't think Midge would be nearly as effective without using whatever material from her life that worked for her. Like Joel said, that's how you're supposed to do it--be honest and open up your life to everyone. He just didn't want to be a part of that. As for the sexism, it's a big part of that era and likely the main reason Joel refused to be a joke husband of a woman comedian. But that doesn't mean he's jealous of her talent.
  9. In fairness to Joel, he wasn't going up on stage and talking about Midge or their marriage. That's a whole other issue than jealousy of her talent. If that was it, he would have asked her to stop. But he didn't because he already knew she was good at it and loved it.
  10. Everything in Stars Hollow was in walking distance, and being an only child gives one easier access to a car and/or transportation.
  11. Seeing someone at Christmas doesn't necessarily translate to spending the holiday with them. It didn't sound like Rory had ever spent the night under Chris's roof before. I don't blame Lorelai for being caught a bit off guard if it was the first time and seemed to only come about because Chris had moved in with Sherry. When you've done all the parenting for 17 years and then have to deal with the other parent's expectations, it's bound to feel a little unfair. Where was Chris was Rory was 5 or 10 and Lorelai would have welcomed some free time?
  12. And my point is that any parent is going to feel differently about the relationship their child has with someone who becomes their stepparent at 16 and the one with their other biological parent. Lorelai always encouraged Rory to include Chris in her life whenever she wanted and not stay mad at him when he messed up. She rarely spoke negatively about him and always reassured her that he loved her very much. We never saw her controlling his calls or visits and she quickly told him it was up to Rory whenever consulted be it about visiting, a Sidekick, or passing along his millions. It wasn't Lorelai's fault that Chris reneged on a lot of his promises and left it to her to mop up when he did.
  13. But. There is a huge difference between allowing your child's father to have a regular role in her life and expecting a stepparent to be a co-parent role when she's already 16. Most people in such a real-life situation would expect to be more of a friend than a parent to a kid even a few years younger.
  14. Chris proposed and Lorelai said no, because we don't know each other as adults. Rory asked him to visit more and call more. Yet instead of taking that as an invitation to move closer and be more involved in their lives, to get to know Lorelai as an adult, he starts dating someone who lives on the east coast and only moves closer and gets a job when she gives him an ultimatum. This shows me pretty clearly what type of person Chris is. Lorelai's mistake was falling for his line yet again when he told her he and Sherry were splitting up.
  15. Maybe. But it is a fact that the sale of the network was a surprise. I know from being in positions where my boss changed, it can completely change the way you feel about your job and your job performance. Being in a position where you have a contract that is bought out and with all new management brought in would be harder. It's also a fact that many have a tendency to blame Amy for each and every thing wrong with the show even though it's impossible for us to know what she did and didn't have control over. I've always felt the show they did produce was pretty good, and prefer to trust that they did the best they could.
  16. But that's leaving out the part where the network was sold and all of a she was working for people she had no history with. The Palladinos were close to signing a development deal for a new series when the WB sold out. It was just bad luck all around, for them and for us. I wish the CW would have given them the 2 years. It was one of their more popular shows and didn't do well with changing showrunners. I always wanted to see how Amy would have fixed it.
  17. I don't know, I like to think they did talk to April and just didn't mention it. It makes sense to me.
  18. If this were true then why would Lorelai not share with Sookie more of the financial details, and why would she not tell her they were running out of money until their contractor was close to having to shut down construction because he wasn't getting paid? I think Lorelai planned all along to handle almost all of the details of the construction--she just didn't realize how hard it would be to do it all by herself. Sookie was an awesome chef but never had a head for business and Lorelai knew that better than anyone. I think Lorelai got so upset in TISL because she was totally overwhelmed, didn't know where she was going to get more money and was just afraid she was going to fail.
  19. Except that if it's true that Shane was using him also, she may not have minded all that much. Not of course that that makes it alright for anyone to use anyone else. I tend to think more than trying to make Rory jealous Shane was Jess's way of taking himself out of the situation. Rory kissed him but didn't contact him all summer. As far as Jess knew Rory was intending to ignore the kiss and go on with Dean as though nothing happened. It made sense for Jess to make himself inaccessible and give the appearance of having moved on, regardless of any feelings he still had.
  20. I always thought neither of them wanted to admit to Emily that 1) Lorelai extended their trip to stalk Bono and 2) Rory had the Yale move-in date wrong. So they wouldn't have to listen to her millions of comments. Emily never was very forgiving of others' mistakes.
  21. I enjoy those also. Not really that I enjoy seeing Lorelai suffer, but wasn't sure what else she expected after saying "we're done" and then inviting herself back to Friday night dinner. Though I also totally understand Lorelai's strong desire to be there when Logan first came to dinner as Rory's boyfriend. It's one of those situations that shows both of their weaknesses, and even their family bond, in a weird sort of way.
  22. Apparently Miss Patty keeps chickens, which I guess would be a good reason to call her.
  23. I agree, and think the key here is that Rory didn't even realize she wasn't wearing the bracelet until Dean pointed it out and so immediately felt guilty for not noticing. Just off the top of my head, I'm thinking that if someone were really emotionally abusive they would never let go of the relationship as easily as Dean did at the dance contest. Wouldn't he have continued his manipulation by letting Rory know how horrible she was, that he was the best thing to ever happen to her, and how much worse off she would be if they broke up?
  24. I don't ever remember Dean not allowing Rory to have friends. When? If you mean Jess, well, most people wouldn't be okay with that. Dean did respect Rory's wish to spend the night alone doing her laundry--he was just stopping by with ice cream for a quick break. Also, since her mom was gone overnight I do think Rory's motivation was just having the house to herself. Dean did make a sarcastic remark about Rory not liking the housewife thing the next day but characterizing that as pouting for days seems extreme. He came to the rehearsal because Tristan went to Doose's the day before specifically to taunt him about it, and then Dean left when Rory asked him to. And remember, Rory had kissed Tristan at the party and was afraid he would tell Dean, so there was probably a suspicious vibe there anyway. If by the gift you mean the bracelet he gave her, Dean could hardly make her feel awful about it when he didn't know it was missing. I do agree Dean was annoying and insecure and shouldn't have been offended just because Rory didn't say she loved him too, but not sure I would call it emotional abuse. Rory didn't handle a lot of it particularly well either, probably because it was her first relationship.
  25. Lorelai specifically wanted a partner, which I think she got with Luke. Max was more of a parental figure to her than partner and she and Jason had zero emotional connection. Maybe it could have happened with someone else, but Luke was the only one she knew who could even come close. I agree, but I also remember a lot of other times Lorelai was there for Luke--when she tried to help with Rachel, when she spoke up to the town about Jess, when she encouraged him to go on the cruise, when he was depressed and she invited him for movie night, etc. etc. I think this is where the "I'm the yin to your yang" part comes in. They were both strong, independent but broken people and what one couldn't handle, the other could. This is perfect. And the main reason why pointing out one or the other's flaws never convinces me they don't belong together.
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