Spartan Girl February 17, 2024 Share February 17, 2024 6 hours ago, Cobalt Stargazer said: "I...overreacted." You really have to appreciate Carradine and Thurman here, because there's this long pause, Beatrix waiting for more, but Bill's done, and he spells that out too. "You overreacted? That's your explanation?" "I didn't say I was going to explain. I said I was gonna tell you the truth." And then later when she told him that even though she knew he was capable of those things, but never in a million years did she think he could do that her her, he bluntly tells her, “Sorry, Kiddo, but you were wrong.” That was the final nail in the coffin for her. Because up until then you could her resolve had been wavering, seeing how much BB adored him; she already took Nikki’s mother away from her and clearly she didn’t want to hurt her daughter that way. Then again, the story of BB stepping on Emilio the goldfish was a clear red flag that her fears about the kind of person BB would become under Bill weren’t completely unfounded, so… 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8288910
Wiendish Fitch May 25, 2024 Author Share May 25, 2024 I recently re-watched Interview with the Vampire, and not only was I struck anew at how great Kirsten Dunst* was as Claudia, but the film is one of the better examples of having us sympathize with the villain. Lestat turned Claudia into a vampire when she was just a child (all as a ploy to get Louis to stick around) and she had no say in the matter, her mind matures, but she's eternally stuck in a kid's body, and, yes, she is a relentless killing machine, but she isn't doing anything that Lestat's not doing as well (and everyone loves that guy). At no point does the movie justify what any of the vampires do, it just presents it in a coldly pragmatic light. We quickly learn that immortality can be frustrating and lonely, and the worst part? Spoiler Vampires are only immortal to a point. When Claudia is punished for attempting murder to Lestat (she's forced to die by sunlight), it's actually pretty devastating, because for all her acts of violence, Claudia was made into this creature against her will, for shitty reasons, and now she has to pay for it while Lestat gets to live on. No, Claudia isn't a wonderful person, but that doesn't make her story any less tragic. *If I'm being honest, I think she makes both Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt look like drips by comparison. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8378835
Spartan Girl May 29, 2024 Share May 29, 2024 Christof from The Truman Show is an obvious choice for villain, but you know what? I think everyone else on the show from the cast and the crew needs to be included too! They controlled, manipulated, gaslighted, and emotionally traumatized Truman from the time he was a child. With the exception of Marlon/Louis, who at least showed a modicum of conscience (and in a deleted scene, he helped Truman get away), not one of those bastards gave a damn about Truman. Everyone from his “parents” to Meryl were all using Truman for fame, whether it was fifteen minutes or a lifetime’s worth. And that makes them just as much as a monster as Christof. Maybe even more. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8381353
Spartan Girl July 2, 2024 Share July 2, 2024 Suzanne Strone from To Die For should definitely be on this thread. I know we gave Nicole Kidman a lot of crap for being the wrong choice to play Lucille Ball, but this movie proved that she can be funny, just in a subtler way. Because we're in the era we live in, some people have come out with takes about Suzanne being a feminist antihero for wanting a career instead of kids and how Larry was a jerk for pressuring her otherwise. I think people with this opinion need to watch the movie again. The issue wasn't Suzanne simply wanting a career, the issue was she was a narcissistic sociopath bitch that didn't care who she hurt as long as she got her way. Not to mention that for all her ambitions, Suzanne's greatness was all in her head: the professionals all agreed that she didn't really have what it took for the big time, whether she had kids or not. Not to mention the little fact that she preyed and groomed a teenager!!!!!!! And before you call Larry a sexist jerk, let me remind you up until then that he was more than happy to do whatever Suzanne wanted. Hell, the only reason she was with him to begin with was because of how easily she could wrap him around her little finger -- something Janice called out on from the very beginning. But marriage, as we all know, is a two-way street. And the second Larry actually started talking about what he wanted, she immediately started planning out his murder. Instead of, you know, getting a divorce like a normal person. 5 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8404875
Wiendish Fitch July 2, 2024 Author Share July 2, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, Spartan Girl said: Suzanne Strone from To Die For should definitely be on this thread. I know we gave Nicole Kidman a lot of crap for being the wrong choice to play Lucille Ball, but this movie proved that she can be funny, just in a subtler way. Because we're in the era we live in, some people have come out with takes about Suzanne being a feminist antihero for wanting a career instead of kids and how Larry was a jerk for pressuring her otherwise. I think people with this opinion need to watch the movie again. The issue wasn't Suzanne simply wanting a career, the issue was she was a narcissistic sociopath bitch that didn't care who she hurt as long as she got her way. Not to mention that for all her ambitions, Suzanne's greatness was all in her head: the professionals all agreed that she didn't really have what it took for the big time, whether she had kids or not. Not to mention the little fact that she preyed and groomed a teenager!!!!!!! And before you call Larry a sexist jerk, let me remind you up until then that he was more than happy to do whatever Suzanne wanted. Hell, the only reason she was with him to begin with was because of how easily she could wrap him around her little finger -- something Janice called out on from the very beginning. But marriage, as we all know, is a two-way street. And the second Larry actually started talking about what he wanted, she immediately started planning out his murder. Instead of, you know, getting a divorce like a normal person. Bingo. I think To Die For is Nicole Kidman's finest hour. Whatever Larry's flaws, he did not deserve what he got. "Sick and twisted" almost feels like an inadequate description for Suzanne. Echoing your thoughts on the "feminist antiheroes" take, while I try to respect others' opinions, I frankly get uneasy when that label gets thrown around too easily. Even if you want to argue that some villainous characters might be, that certainly doesn't mean all of them are! I have Leave Her to Heaven on Criterion blu ray, and I love that movie (for those who don't know, it's basically Fatal Attraction 42 years early). Gene Tierney is chilling and memorable as clingy sociopath Ellen, but in the essay enclosed with the Criterion disc, the author Megan Abbot makes a long, unsettling argument that comes dangerously close to justifying Ellen's actions. I don't know, maybe I'm just a wuss and a goody two-shoes, so y'all can read it here and judge for yourselves (WARNING: article contains spoilers). Edited July 2, 2024 by Wiendish Fitch 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8404983
Spartan Girl July 2, 2024 Share July 2, 2024 1 hour ago, Wiendish Fitch said: Echoing your thoughts on the "feminist antiheroes" take, while I try to respect others' opinions, I frankly get uneasy when that label gets thrown around too easily. Even if you want to argue that some villainous characters might be, that certainly doesn't mean all of them are! I have Leave Her to Heaven on Criterion blu ray, and I love that movie (for those who don't know, it's basically Fatal Attraction 42 years early). Gene Tierney is chilling and memorable as clingy sociopath Ellen, but in the essay enclosed with the Criterion disc, the author Megan Abbot makes a long, unsettling argument that comes dangerously close to justifying Ellen's actions. I don't know, maybe I'm just a wuss and a goody two-shoes, so y'all can read it here and judge for yourselves (WARNING: article contains spoilers). *reads* Yeah, no, that woman was pure evil. And don’t put it on being mentally ill, that’s an insult to all the mentally ill people that would never hurt a fly. I also get uneasy when the “feminist antihero” label is thrown around. It gives the detractors more ammo to spew more bile about how it’s an excuse for women to do whatever they want and never be held accountable when they hurt people. Which, as we all know, is NOT. But good luck explaining that to those morons. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8405027
kathyk2 July 5, 2024 Share July 5, 2024 Snape and Vernon Dursley from the Harry Potter movies. They abuse Harry and don't get punished for their actions. I don't care how much they hated James Potter in Snape's case and magic in general you don't abuse an innocent boy. Snape also abuses Neville and nothing happens to him. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8406284
BlueSkies July 7, 2024 Share July 7, 2024 Rutger Hauer in Nighthawks. As a kid this scene totally petrified me 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8407137
BlueSkies July 7, 2024 Share July 7, 2024 Yeah Nicole Kidman’s beauty in To Die For added more to her sinister ways. Easily my favorite film and performance of hers. It’s a movie that got multiple razzies but I would add Madonnas Rebecca Carlson in Body of Evidence to this list. Totally biased in that Madonna was to me as sexy as sexy could get and beautiful in this role. I’ve certainly dreamed of being her lawyer in this film! That being said when she did whisper in her lawyers ear You Almost Convinced Me that did send shivers through me the first few times I watched it. Probably because I fancied her so much. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8407178
Blergh July 10, 2024 Share July 10, 2024 Since My Bodyguard (1980) is about teen bullying, I want to say IMO it did a fairly good job with Melvin Moody (Matt Dillon), his posse and his own hired bodyguard Mike (Hank Salas). I mean these were bullies who reveled in their thuggishness for profit and didn't try to pretend they were anything else (with no attempts at excuses or backstories for them). During one scene, the movie's protagonist Clifford (Chris Makepeace) was hiding out and overheard Moody and one of his thugs converse in which Moody bragged about how he wouldn't 'take no for an answer' from a girl on a date. Of course, his fellow thug seemed to admire that. Thankfully, the movie didn't try to make any of them likable or cool (though they were still interesting characters). It was telling that all of them proved to be cowards who backed away when they believed they were outgunned,though. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8409444
BlueSkies July 10, 2024 Share July 10, 2024 9 hours ago, Blergh said: Since My Bodyguard (1980) is about teen bullying, I want to say IMO it did a fairly good job with Melvin Moody (Matt Dillon), his posse and his own hired bodyguard Mike (Hank Salas). I mean these were bullies who reveled in their thuggishness for profit and didn't try to pretend they were anything else (with no attempts at excuses or backstories for them). During one scene, the movie's protagonist Clifford (Chris Makepeace) was hiding out and overheard Moody and one of his thugs converse in which Moody bragged about how he wouldn't 'take no for an answer' from a girl on a date. Of course, his fellow thug seemed to admire that. Thankfully, the movie didn't try to make any of them likable or cool (though they were still interesting characters). It was telling that all of them proved to be cowards who backed away when they believed they were outgunned,though. Since we love this film so much I’d say in a dream world my passion to pursuit would be to write a sequel to the film in the modern world. Giving a Moody a back story and some kind of redemptive arch. Similar to Cobra Kai Id go in with you on it 😅 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8409818
Blergh July 11, 2024 Share July 11, 2024 7 hours ago, BlueSkies said: Since we love this film so much I’d say in a dream world my passion to pursuit would be to write a sequel to the film in the modern world. Giving a Moody a back story and some kind of redemptive arch. Similar to Cobra Kai Id go in with you on it 😅 Yeah, but if one were going to do this, one should be careful not to turn this into a total pity party for him. IOW, while a background story can help get one to understand a bully's MO, an explanation isn't necessarily a justification. Moreover, Moody,etc. had said and done too many bullying acts to have the other characters let their guards down and trust him thereafter so any theoretical redemptive arch would be a VERY tough sell. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8410068
BlueSkies July 11, 2024 Share July 11, 2024 7 hours ago, Blergh said: Yeah, but if one were going to do this, one should be careful not to turn this into a total pity party for him. IOW, while a background story can help get one to understand a bully's MO, an explanation isn't necessarily a justification. Moreover, Moody,etc. had said and done too many bullying acts to have the other characters let their guards down and trust him thereafter so any theoretical redemptive arch would be a VERY tough sell. Yeah. I had Cobra Kai in my head. It’s something to see all Daniel’s enemies become his friends. Even Chozen that wanted to kill him. 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8410140
Blergh July 12, 2024 Share July 12, 2024 On 7/11/2024 at 6:26 AM, BlueSkies said: Yeah. I had Cobra Kai in my head. It’s something to see all Daniel’s enemies become his friends. Even Chozen that wanted to kill him. Question (since I've never seen anything past the original Karate Kid), Spoiler Did at any point any of Daniel's former nemeses ever confront Kreis (over him exploiting and building on their worst insecurities as teens to use them to enact vendettas he alone had concocted? At the very least I hope they DID acknowledge that they'd been badly misused by him even if they didn't opt to openly call him out. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8410954
DoctorAtomic July 12, 2024 Share July 12, 2024 That's kind of a theme in the Cobra Kai series. 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8411040
BlueSkies July 14, 2024 Share July 14, 2024 On 7/12/2024 at 1:10 PM, Blergh said: Question (since I've never seen anything past the original Karate Kid), Hide contents Did at any point any of Daniel's former nemeses ever confront Kreis (over him exploiting and building on their worst insecurities as teens to use them to enact vendettas he alone had concocted? At the very least I hope they DID acknowledge that they'd been badly misused by him even if they didn't opt to openly call him out. I realized I never answered you. Since you didn't see past the original Karate Kid, I'll just leave it as yeah a string of events starts the rivalry between Daniel and Johnny again. But the one thing they do have in common is hating Kreese. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8412076
Spartan Girl September 9, 2024 Share September 9, 2024 (edited) Pour one out for James Earl Jones, who gave us several great villains: Darth Vader and Tulsa Doom. Personally, I think his performance in Return of the Jedi saved Vader from being a crappy unearned redemption story. After sounding so intimidating in the last two movies, he let the armor down in his vulnerable delivery of “It is…too late for me, son.” Edited September 9, 2024 by Spartan Girl 11 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8452813
andromeda331 September 12, 2024 Share September 12, 2024 On 9/9/2024 at 4:50 PM, Spartan Girl said: Pour one out for James Earl Jones, who gave us several great villains: Darth Vader and Tulsa Doom. Personally, I think his performance in Return of the Jedi saved Vader from being a crappy unearned redemption story. After sounding so intimidating in the last two movies, he let the armor down in his vulnerable delivery of “It is…too late for me, son.” I agree. I loved Vader as a villain the first two movies. He was so awesome. I never thought I would be crying as he's dying after saving his son. That's all James Earl Jones. 2 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8454323
Fool to cry September 12, 2024 Share September 12, 2024 (edited) Yeah that line in Return of the Jedi is my favorite too. I think what went wrong with Anakin in the prequels was Lucas wanted to depict Vader when he was a young man and Vader in the movies had a very formal way of speaking. "The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner now I am the master." What he forgot was Vader had James Earl Jones' Shakespearean basso profundo voice. Having a 19 year old Canadian speak like that was awkward and unnatural. He also wanted to have Anakin to share similarities to his son so he gave him Luke's traits when he was the same age like immaturity, whininess and his impatience. What he neglected though was giving him Luke's more positive qualities like his idealism, earnestness and humility. Instead he was arrogant and aggresive. So we were left with was a character hard for viewers to like or relate to. That made it difficult to care about the tragedy of his fall. What fixed the character IMO was the Clone Wars 3D animated series. Dave Filoni and the writers treated Anakin and Vader as two different personas which was the right choice. Anakin is brash and cocky but good natured and spoke in a more natural way with colloquial dialogue. He was less ticking time bomb and more impulsive kid brother to Obi-wan and playful big brother to Ashoka. It makes those rare moments of Vader like darkness that come out from him more scary and startling. Edited September 13, 2024 by Fool to cry 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8454648
andromeda331 September 13, 2024 Share September 13, 2024 6 hours ago, Fool to cry said: Yeah that line in Return of the Jedi is my favorite too. I think what went wrong with Anakin in the prequels was Lucas wanted to depict Vader when he was a young man and Vader in the movies had a very formal way of speaking. "The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner now I am the master." What he forgot was Vader had James Earl Jones' Shakespearean basso profundo voice. Having a 19 year old Canadian speak like that was awkward and unnatural. He also wanted to have Anakin to share similarities to his son so he gave him Luke's traits when he was the same age like immaturity, whininess and his impatience. What he neglected though was giving him Luke's more positive qualities like his idealism, earnestness and humility. Instead he was arrogant and aggresive. So we were left with was a character hard for viewers to like or relate to. That made it difficult to care about the tragedy of his fall. What fixed the character IMO was the Clone Wars 3D animated series. Dave Filoni and the writers treated Anakin and Vader as two different personas which I think was the right choice. Anakin is brash and cocky but good natured and spoke in a more natural way with colloquial dialogue. He was less ticking time bomb and more impulsive kid brother to Obi-wan and playful big brother to Ashoka. It makes those rare moments of Vader like darkness that come out from him more scary and startling. Yeah the Clone Wars fixed his character so much. We saw the friendship that Obi Wan talked to Luke about. They really were good friends. Hints of what was to come. His anger with the council makes more sense when you watch what they did to Ahsoka. They did such a good job. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8454869
DoctorAtomic September 13, 2024 Share September 13, 2024 Also by the time Anakin offs Dooku, they actually fought a ton of times and he could never beat him. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8455213
Spartan Girl September 14, 2024 Share September 14, 2024 If i may switch over to Conan’s Thulsa Doom, that was proof JEJ could be scary even without the voice. The cold way he dispatches Conan’s mom in the beginning, and how he just shrugs it off years later with “That must’ve been when I was younger.” Not to mention how he just makes one off his followers jump to her death just to show Conan his power over them… 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8455555
Palimelon September 14, 2024 Share September 14, 2024 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8456009
Wiendish Fitch September 14, 2024 Author Share September 14, 2024 James Earl Jones is a delight in Conan, striking just the right balance between campy and intimidating. Even in the goofy scene where he transforms into a snake, Jones manages to keep his dignity. Conan the Barbarian is a fun movie overall (avoid the sequel at all costs). 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8456012
Palimelon September 14, 2024 Share September 14, 2024 The sequel does have the fabulous Grace Jones though, so points for that. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8456020
Spartan Girl September 15, 2024 Share September 15, 2024 I love how the final confrontation had shades of “I’m your father” in the most figurative sense. There’s a moment when Conan looks as though he’s afraid Doom might have been right: that he gave him the will to live even after he lost so much, and now that he’s finally gotten revenge, he’ll be just a shell. That last image of Broody Old Conan on his throne…not exactly a happily ever, folks, Also love how the second Doom is dead, his followers all drop their torches and just leave. If only real life was that simple… 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8456326
Cobalt Stargazer September 16, 2024 Share September 16, 2024 Kromm's Brigade, obviously. 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8457340
Anduin September 16, 2024 Share September 16, 2024 16 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said: Kromm's Brigade, obviously. While it's great, I have to nitpick. Conan worshipped Crom. Thulsa Doom and his cult worshipped Set! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8457344
Ohiopirate02 September 16, 2024 Share September 16, 2024 On 9/14/2024 at 10:13 AM, Palimelon said: The sequel does have the fabulous Grace Jones though, so points for that. And Wilt "I slept with 20,000 women" Chamberlain as the man who must guard the virgin princess. 3 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8457619
Palimelon September 16, 2024 Share September 16, 2024 Quote Thulsa Doom and his cult worshipped Set! Are you sure? I mean, just because they had snake themed shoulder pads, and snake themed sword handles, and helmets, and snake themed banner staffs...er, wait, where was I? 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8457621
proserpina65 September 18, 2024 Share September 18, 2024 On 9/14/2024 at 10:06 AM, Wiendish Fitch said: Conan the Barbarian is a fun movie overall (avoid the sequel at all costs). The sequel is one of my guilty pleasures. It isn't good, but I love it anyway. Plus, as Palimelon says, it has Grace Jones being awesome. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8459122
andromeda331 October 3, 2024 Share October 3, 2024 I'm disappointed in the Acolyte being cancelled. I really wanted to see an evil Sith couple. That could have been so much fun. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8471329
Fool to cry October 3, 2024 Share October 3, 2024 (edited) 4 hours ago, andromeda331 said: I'm disappointed in the Acolyte being cancelled. I really wanted to see an evil Sith couple. That could have been so much fun. I'm going to say the real reason they aren't making a season 2 is because Disney doesn't want to put out a show centered on an evil villain(s). I may be proven me wrong by making one but I don't think so. With Book of Boba Fett they turn him from ruthless bounty hunter to a benevolent mayor figure, much to the chagrin of his fans. Whenever Disney do a live action movie on one of their famous animated villains they have to make them sympathetic. Disney could have big hits and win back a laot of Star Wars fans making shows about evil characters doing truly evil things but that's not their brand. Edited October 3, 2024 by Fool to cry 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8471505
DoctorAtomic October 3, 2024 Share October 3, 2024 What were they expecting though? Disney greenlit the show; they must have had an idea about it. Also, it may not have been about just evil Sith. It could have been about Mae eventually overcoming that side to her. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8471563
Fool to cry October 3, 2024 Share October 3, 2024 22 minutes ago, DoctorAtomic said: What were they expecting though? Disney greenlit the show; they must have had an idea about it. Also, it may not have been about just evil Sith. It could have been about Mae eventually overcoming that side to her. The original premise was Jedi investigating someone killing their ranks. That's an easier thing to sell. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8471579
Wee S December 31, 2024 Share December 31, 2024 Having watched Wallace and Gromit this Christmas, Feathers Mcgraw is the most evil villain ever - hands down. No contest. The blank, coldness from him...and they achieve that with 4 inches of plasticine? Brilliant. 2 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8543564
Wiendish Fitch December 31, 2024 Author Share December 31, 2024 1 hour ago, Wee S said: Having watched Wallace and Gromit this Christmas, Feathers Mcgraw is the most evil villain ever - hands down. No contest. The blank, coldness from him...and they achieve that with 4 inches of plasticine? Brilliant. The Wrong Trousers is a damned masterpiece, proof that animation isn't "just for kids". Aardman has disappointed me the last few times, let's hope Vengeance Most Fowl isn't a letdown. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8543615
GHScorpiosRule December 31, 2024 Share December 31, 2024 I stumbled across a very old, old interview with Roy Scheider on youtube when JAWS came out. Guess whose show? Geraldo! It took me a minute to recognize him, what with his Farrah Fawcett shaggy hair!😆🤣😆 It was a delightful interview, and just as I stated on page one of this thread, Roy said that JAWS was EVUHL and the VILLAIN!!!!! Muahahahahahaha! And even speculated maybe there would be a Jaws II, "son of Jaws" etc. which made me laugh and cringe, because we all know what happened decades later in that final, unforgettable, fucking INSULT to Brody and viewers who watched the original. Here's the interview. Too bad they didn't have the complete interview. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8543622
GHScorpiosRule December 31, 2024 Share December 31, 2024 HAH! Roy felt the same way as we all do about III and IV! And it turns out he didn't want to do II, but was contracted to Universal so he did it. He tells us all about it on the Graham Norton show. Is it any wonder why I loved this guy? 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8543663
Spartan Girl December 31, 2024 Share December 31, 2024 Jafar is one of my favorite Disney villains. I had the privilege of seeing Jonathan Freeman reprise the role when he was still doing Aladdin on Broadway in 2018, and you can tell he has a complete ball doing the character. He is definitely one of the fun villains. So can someone please explain to me why Starkid gave him the Wicked treatment in that stupid Twisted cult musical? I get that it was supposed to be a parody, but even Wicked was more well-thought out. And it didn’t turn the good guys into outright bad guys** which IMHO is the laziest way to do villain apologia. And how they did it…JFC I don’t even want to talk about it. Don’t look it up unless you’re ready to use brain bleach afterwards… 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8543741
Wee S December 31, 2024 Share December 31, 2024 6 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said: Aardman has disappointed me the last few times, let's hope Vengeance Most Fowl isn't a letdown. I watched Vengeance Most Fowl on Christmas day on the BBC, and although I'd had a few, I was hooked. It was fantastic! Gromit for leader of the world, please! I do admire that after 30 years since The Wrong Trousers(!), Feathers knows how to hold a grudge. That's true villianship right there. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8543798
Spartan Girl January 13 Share January 13 I have no interest in seeing Mufasa the Lion King because I have no interest in a backstory that tries to make Scar more sympathetic. It doesn’t matter if he had a right to the throne or not, he killed his own brother and tried to pin the blame on a grieving child/cub, which we all know him up for years to come. And when I looked up the plot out of morbid curiosity, I didn’t read a damn thing that changed my mind. It’s the same reason I hated Lion King 2: Simba’s Pride, despite the fact that almost the entire universe thinks otherwise. Simba’s behavior in that movie might be up for debate, but I can never see Zira as a “tragic villain.” She and the others were not innocent victims of tyranny, they sided with Scar (not caring what he did) and got kicked out of the Pridelands for staging a coup. What was so unfair about that? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8553266
andromeda331 January 13 Share January 13 2 hours ago, Spartan Girl said: It’s the same reason I hated Lion King 2: Simba’s Pride, despite the fact that almost the entire universe thinks otherwise. Simba’s behavior in that movie might be up for debate, but I can never see Zira as a “tragic villain.” She and the others were not innocent victims of tyranny, they sided with Scar (not caring what he did) and got kicked out of the Pridelands for staging a coup. What was so unfair about that? Nothing. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/97852-because-im-eeeee-viiilllllll-the-villains-thread/page/8/#findComment-8553452
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