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6 hours ago, bunnyblue said:

Noooooo!! I could've sworn the Ingalls farmhouse was blow to smithereens. WTH made their home so special that it wasn't blown up along with the rest of the town? Boooo!!

Mr Carter took it to his "real" barn but no one ever saw it again. Maybe at an auction one day? Stan Ivar isn't on social media really from what I heard and didn't do a lot of acting. They put up a replica for fans until the fires burned it one day along with a lot of the old set and area around it.

Yes the orphans were always around. He was a good carpenter and could make a shoe but never seemed to be able to save money no matter how many extra jobs he had. Mr Edwards had 3 kids and they seemed fine. We joke about the mean city people always shown but what is it with his neighbors? Every time there's a meeting, they all seem ignorant, racist or loud. When the Sanderson's were orphaned, Charles couldn't take them but it didn't stop them from taking 2 later. He didn't even think of taking Alicia to keep her closer to her brother's. My question is why were all the potential parents so mean or lacking empathy? When you think about it, there were 3 families with Walnut Grove that were nice.  : ) For Pete's sake Nels and Harriet would have been better than the family James and Cassandra went too but I never could warm up to them. The whining and running away and stealing. It was really too much and I'll never understand why Michael did that. Did he really think crowding a tiny home with so many kids would be "cute"? '

I watched the one about the boy pretending to be blind yesterday making dinner, not a fav but his home was huge! I think I didn't like it because there was no real reason his parents were divorcing and no way I saw his mom was to support them with money being sent from his dad on occasion. I also thought it was boring to resuse the hit on the head blindness more than once. It seemed like a filler episode and a cute way to have the actor do cartwheels for a few scenes. lol

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12 hours ago, jason88cubs said:

it's like their was a Bat signal for Charles.

 

Anytime their was trouble, here comes CHARLES!

 

"I haven't been able to put food on the table for a week but there's 3 orphans that need a home? I'll take them!"

But I will not add onto the house to make room for them, even though I spend all my spare time building things and I work at/own a lumber mill!

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I think Charles took in James/Cassandra as it was late in S7 and since he never gave Carrie anything to do besides fall down a well, run to the outhouse, and shriek "Alyssa, Alyssa" and Grace never got to leave her high chair, he had to trot out the tired trope of bring in a new kid (in this case, two of 'em) to try and keep the circling-the-drain show on a while longer with varying degrees of success. Nancy was another attempt at this and S9 was all about kids no one gave a crap about - Jeb, Jason, Nancy, and Jennie. 

See also: The Brady Bunch (Cousin Oliver), Family Ties (Andy), Growing Pains (Chrissy and whomever Leonardo DiCaprio played), The Cosby Show (Olivia), Different Strokes (Sam), The Facts of Life (Andy), and, next to Cousin Oliver, the worst (IMO) example of this, Scrappy from Scooby Doo. More like a Scooby Don't. 

16 minutes ago, jird said:

But I will not add onto the house to make room for them, even though I spend all my spare time building things and I work at/own a lumber mill!

And yet Almanzo added on the extra room for Royal and Jenny in less than a few weeks. 

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Michael usually had good instincts but whether he tired of the show or his outside life in the tabloids interfered with it, he missed the mark a lot toward the end in what people wanted. I think most of us would have loved to have Alison stay with Percival (he was well then) and the hilarious stories that could have come with that. Garvey was just boring but nothing against the real person, his character was just awful.  To move to the city after demonizing it so much seemed "off" and his excuse of not wanting Laura to keep running to Pa, he said in interview, well that wouldn't happen unless they wrote it that way. Willie would have been comic relief to some degree too after he was married. Everything was overkill, Albert a drug addict, fine, but why kill him off? Jason's coma was when I tuned out back in the day, I thought, this is crazy, crazier than Charles in that beard. 😁I know Melissa said any time the ratings dipped, he did something over the top, but ratings do that, you have a good formula, you stay with it. They pushed the cancellation when he changed it.

He tried to stick to the books for his biological children but Grace could have aged faster and been a good actress. It's hard when you pick a child young as they did with Carrie to know how well they would do later, but she could have handled a bit more than they gave her. When she was in class, just let her answer a question now and then.  When they had the show where Caroline was having trouble getting all 5 of them dressed and out of the house, Laura was very cold. I wanted to say, Hey, can you take two and lessen the load? lol  I mean really, they had the smallest house and the most kids.  They needed the blind school or even Laura's house. She had one child, they should have switched. : )

How did they do the beds? Carrie and Cassandra in Laura/Mary's old bed and was James/Albert squished in the other end of the loft? Grace finally in Carrie's bed and not the barn?

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I'm watching a weird one I've never seen - "Be My Friend." I'm half paying attention and half working, but something about a message in a bottle, and a pregnant girl? 

ETA: There's a baby! And fire! No babies on fire, though. 

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4 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

 

See also: The Brady Bunch (Cousin Oliver), Family Ties (Andy), Growing Pains (Chrissy and whomever Leonardo DiCaprio played), The Cosby Show (Olivia), Different Strokes (Sam), The Facts of Life (Andy), and, next to Cousin Oliver, the worst (IMO) example of this, Scrappy from Scooby Doo. More like a Scooby Don't. 

And yet Almanzo added on the extra room for Royal and Jenny in less than a few weeks. 

the fact you cited Scrappy Doo makes you my people. Original Scooby Doo forever!! #noScrappy

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1 hour ago, Superclam said:

I'm watching a weird one I've never seen - "Be My Friend." I'm half paying attention and half working, but something about a message in a bottle, and a pregnant girl? 

ETA: There's a baby! And fire! No babies on fire, though. 

I just watched this too and kept wondering why there so many crazy and creepy fathers of teenage girls on this show?!

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5 minutes ago, Snow Apple said:

I just watched this too and kept wondering why there so many crazy and creepy fathers of teenage girls on this show?!

Yes, that was another theme I noticed. I can think of this guy and Sylvia's father off the top of my head, and probably a few others if I tried. 

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4 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

I think Charles took in James/Cassandra as it was late in S7 and since he never gave Carrie anything to do besides fall down a well, run to the outhouse, and shriek "Alyssa, Alyssa" and Grace never got to leave her high chair, he had to trot out the tired trope of bring in a new kid (in this case, two of 'em) to try and keep the circling-the-drain show on a while longer with varying degrees of success. Nancy was another attempt at this and S9 was all about kids no one gave a crap about - Jeb, Jason, Nancy, and Jennie. 

See also: The Brady Bunch (Cousin Oliver), Family Ties (Andy), Growing Pains (Chrissy and whomever Leonardo DiCaprio played), The Cosby Show (Olivia), Different Strokes (Sam), The Facts of Life (Andy), and, next to Cousin Oliver, the worst (IMO) example of this, Scrappy from Scooby Doo. More like a Scooby Don't. 

A trope so prevalent it has a name: https://www.theloop.ca/the-highs-and-lows-of-cousin-oliver-syndrome-tvs-most-shameless-ploy-for-ratings/.

I don't know if Cousin Oliver was the first, but he's the first that comes to mind for me. And yes, the less said about Scrappy the better. 

34 minutes ago, RedbirdNelly said:

the fact you cited Scrappy Doo makes you my people. Original Scooby Doo forever!! #noScrappy

If I ever met anyone who liked Scrappy not only would I not be friends with that person, but I would question their sanity, and their very humanity.  

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2 hours ago, Superclam said:

Yes, that was another theme I noticed. I can think of this guy and Sylvia's father off the top of my head, and probably a few others if I tried. 

Yes, but Charles comes and saves the day, and the girl and her boyfriend live happily ever after.  Yes, some creepy dads of a lot of kids. Olga's dad was a bit rigid and ignorant. Poor Graham's dad drank, Laraby was a jerk and had kids, really anyone that attended a meeting in Walnut Grove was kind of dense except for Charles and Mr Edwards. The only nice dad was Willie's brides father he acted stern but then kidded with him. I kept expecting him to turn around and show red eyes or something. lol  The rich dad of Nel's nephew had to be taught by Charle's how to father a child and I'm grateful they didn't have to adopt him too. (was adorable though)  He also had to straighten out the wayward grandson of that elderly couple who's father beat him, that had the typical cry/hug ending but yes, I see the pattern of why maybe he didn't have too much time for his family or making money. Even Adam's father sucked. I bet Chris could have added the kitchen, another room and showed Carrie more attention than they did in one week. 😉I understand fully why she loved her "Uncle Chris" He talked to her, played with her and made her a toy while building a kitchen.

 

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There's also the dad in Rage who shot his wife and daughter. He went crazy and thought Laura and Jenny were his wife and daughter, and Rose was his daughter's baby. Dads on this show sure fear their daughters having babies out of wedlock to the point of insanity.

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3 hours ago, debraran said:

The rich dad of Nel's nephew had to be taught by Charle's how to father a child and I'm grateful they didn't have to adopt him too. (was adorable though)  He also had to straighten out the wayward grandson of that elderly couple who's father beat him, that had the typical cry/hug ending

With the way Charles was always taking in troubled young boys and teaching them responsibility via farm work, I'm surprised he didn't take advantage of the free child labor and have them help him build additions to the tiny farmhouse. 

6 hours ago, Superclam said:

I'm watching a weird one I've never seen - "Be My Friend." I'm half paying attention and half working, but something about a message in a bottle, and a pregnant girl? 

 

5 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

I just watched this too and kept wondering why there so many crazy and creepy fathers of teenage girls on this show?!

That episode was really uncomfortable to watch, and for about half the episode I was sure the girl's father was going to end up being her baby's father. Even without any incest going on, there was so much wrong with this one: teenage girl gives birth out in the woods and then goes home to her creepy father to make him dinner; religious zealot father burns the house down with him and his daughter in it; crazy father is left babbling in the rubble of his burnt out home; 11 year old Laura pretends to be the abandoned baby's mother; clearly traumatized teenage girl goes off with her teenage boyfriend to raise the baby she abandoned in the woods. I can't believe this was considered a family friendly show in the 1970's. 

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The episode where caroline almost cuts her leg off

Never could figure out why Charles, in the preachers horse carriage thing stopped at his fence and ran to his hhouse when he could have just rode the horse up

 

at least he didnt take his short off and run

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I watched the Winoka episode where Albert is introduced and I was totally grossed out by Laura & Albert making eyes at each other. No doubt ML already planned on making Albert a part of the Ingalls family, so why the hell did he have 12 year old Laura checking out 10 year old Albert?? Ewwwww. Admittedly, the flirting only lasted for 1 (long) scene and they became friends pretty quickly, but I'm baffled as to why the show had the future siblings interact like that during their initial meeting. 

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7 hours ago, bunnyblue said:

I watched the Winoka episode where Albert is introduced and I was totally grossed out by Laura & Albert making eyes at each other. No doubt ML already planned on making Albert a part of the Ingalls family, so why the hell did he have 12 year old Laura checking out 10 year old Albert?? Ewwwww. Admittedly, the flirting only lasted for 1 (long) scene and they became friends pretty quickly, but I'm baffled as to why the show had the future siblings interact like that during their initial meeting. 

And sleeping together. "you keep that sheet up Albert! No peeking" Really..

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13 hours ago, debraran said:

And sleeping together. "you keep that sheet up Albert! No peeking" Really..

And then his reply: "there's nothing to peek at". Implying he's been staring at her flat chest. These 2 rivaled Greg & Marcia Brady with the incesty vibes.

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20 minutes ago, Snow Apple said:

Are Laura and Nellie the same age, or is Nellie older? 

She finished school first, so I assume she's older.  Plus AA is older than MG for whatever that's worth.

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36 minutes ago, Snow Apple said:

Are Laura and Nellie the same age, or is Nellie older? 

I always considered Nellie to be one year younger than Mary and one year older than Laura. Mostly based on how they 'graduated' from school.

Seeing as how Nellie was also close in age to Mary, I wonder why she wasn't friends with her, instead of being frenemies with Laura. Seems like the 2 prim & proper girls would gravitate to each other. 

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On 8/24/2020 at 2:45 PM, jird said:

And *everyone* had a nicer and bigger house than they did, even the Garveys and Edwardses, who were both farmers like Charles who worked at the mill. Andy Garvey had his own bedroom, with a door, while the Ingalls just kept packing kids of all shapes and sizes into the loft.

Yes, the issue is more that they gave everyone else nicer homes no matter what their situation, and not so much that Pa's house isn't fancy.  I think they are trying to reflect the Ingalls' constant struggles throughout the years by keeping their home and life simple--but I do agree I never understand why everyone else's house is so nice--even when there is little or no income source.

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I have been rewatching the series and am on Season 4.  It is strange because Mary is suddenly featured a lot, and Laura kind of takes a backseat.  Mary has the episode where John breaks up with her, the Jesse James episode, and one at the County Fair.  She also is a lot meaner--it is so weird.  First of all, on the fair episode, she completely disses the guy she is supposed to meet there for the older guy running the balloon.  She has no issues with the fact she can see the guy is a jerk to her friend and still wanders off with him.  And then at the end she finally gets mad at the older guy when he cares more about his balloon than her friend (this is the one time the older guy actually makes sense and logically is upset that he cut the ropes for the balloon, and yet this is the moment Mary decides to be all proper and kind, lol!)

Then Mary is the one that has an outburst about the Indians being heathens when Pa is hiding away a few Indians in their sodhouse.  Even Ma, who hates Indians, was kind.  I am like, did Mary ask for a personality change and to be in the limelight or what? 

And back to the John episode--I had forgotten about that one, and how strange that he had such of a personality change too.  I mean--he pretends in letters that all is the same and then in real life he is hiding away a lover.  So weird.

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9 hours ago, alexa said:

I have been rewatching the series and am on Season 4.  It is strange because Mary is suddenly featured a lot, and Laura kind of takes a backseat.  Mary has the episode where John breaks up with her, the Jesse James episode, and one at the County Fair.  She also is a lot meaner--it is so weird.  First of all, on the fair episode, she completely disses the guy she is supposed to meet there for the older guy running the balloon.  She has no issues with the fact she can see the guy is a jerk to her friend and still wanders off with him.  And then at the end she finally gets mad at the older guy when he cares more about his balloon than her friend (this is the one time the older guy actually makes sense and logically is upset that he cut the ropes for the balloon, and yet this is the moment Mary decides to be all proper and kind, lol!)

Then Mary is the one that has an outburst about the Indians being heathens when Pa is hiding away a few Indians in their sodhouse.  Even Ma, who hates Indians, was kind.  I am like, did Mary ask for a personality change and to be in the limelight or what? 

And back to the John episode--I had forgotten about that one, and how strange that he had such of a personality change too.  I mean--he pretends in letters that all is the same and then in real life he is hiding away a lover.  So weird.

I felt the writers were trying to give Mary more "meat" so to speak and she came off a bit shrill. They knew once she went blind, she'd be shown less or be able to do as much. Although she got the only Emmy nod for acting, she was right that her time got less and less after she started teaching at the blind school. Getting married was a bad idea, having kids, only to lose one early and then later. They lost touch of the things that made people watch. I don't think anyone thought 2 blind parents would be able to raise a kid on their own and no one ever even broached it until Mary had a panic attack. Saving a child in a dust storm seemed to cure her from worrying about anything else though. 🙄

John never would have liked that girl except to look at, he didn't change that much, she was a rude, prissy thing but Mary was dull. He should have written her that they needed to see other people and take a break but then they wouldn't have that hotel episode and Pa being able to yell at him. Really if Mary wasn't blind, Mary should have gone to college but he couldn't change that.  But again, as I see this so differently as an adult, Michael had the "bad city" change John and she just wouldn't fit in there. Months later, she would be back though.

 

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8 hours ago, alexa said:

Yes, the issue is more that they gave everyone else nicer homes no matter what their situation, and not so much that Pa's house isn't fancy.  I think they are trying to reflect the Ingalls' constant struggles throughout the years by keeping their home and life simple--but I do agree I never understand why everyone else's house is so nice--even when there is little or no income source.

That was my thing too. I loved the little house (but not with James/Cassandra) but why did Widows have nicer homes, the post lady, any friend they had? Some were huge, really they all had large cabins or real houses. Who built the one like the Widow with the dishes lived in? A huge Victorian? Only Mr Edwards had a smaller, more run down home or it would have been really silly. They made less money or the same and always had nice things. Just a bit strange.

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2 hours ago, debraran said:

I felt the writers were trying to give Mary more "meat" so to speak and she came off a bit shrill. They knew once she went blind, she'd be shown less or be able to do as much. Although she got the only Emmy nod for acting, she was right that her time got less and less after she started teaching at the blind school. Getting married was a bad idea, having kids, only to lose one early and then later. They lost touch of the things that made people watch. I don't think anyone thought 2 blind parents would be able to raise a kid on their own and no one ever even broached it until Mary had a panic attack. Saving a child in a dust storm seemed to cure her from worrying about anything else though. 🙄

John never would have liked that girl except to look at, he didn't change that much, she was a rude, prissy thing but Mary was dull. He should have written her that they needed to see other people and take a break but then they wouldn't have that hotel episode and Pa being able to yell at him. Really if Mary wasn't blind, Mary should have gone to college but he couldn't change that.  But again, as I see this so differently as an adult, Michael had the "bad city" change John and she just wouldn't fit in there. Months later, she would be back though.

 

I kind of figured that it had to do with her going blind later too.  Today she is featured again...teaching at a school.  Just kind of funny to see so much Mary.  Lol. Totally agree about John...he would not have changed like that.

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On the inheritance episode, why couldn’t Pa just return everything that they were talked into buying?  Why was he obligated to an organ that Nels ordered before the money came in?  I am so confused.  Both Nels and Harriet looked at him as if he was the one that came up with the idea to buy the items ahead of time.  

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10 hours ago, alexa said:

On the inheritance episode, why couldn’t Pa just return everything that they were talked into buying?  Why was he obligated to an organ that Nels ordered before the money came in?  I am so confused.  Both Nels and Harriet looked at him as if he was the one that came up with the idea to buy the items ahead of time.  

That was odd, were returns not done in the 1800s? I stated before what they chose to keep was very expensive and no pockets were that deep in Walnut Grove (except maybe in part the Oleson's) to dig in to pay for it.  I'm not sure where they would put the organ in that small school but it might have been shown once again. Charle's "cash on the barrel" sometimes failed.

I just read the first cash register was 1870s and the first Macy's was 1853 built near mill workers but it failed after a few years. Would have been cool to to see a sign for that. 😉

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2 hours ago, debraran said:

That was odd, were returns not done in the 1800s? I stated before what they chose to keep was very expensive and no pockets were that deep in Walnut Grove (except maybe in part the Oleson's) to dig in to pay for it.  I'm not sure where they would put the organ in that small school but it might have been shown once again. Charle's "cash on the barrel" sometimes failed.

I just read the first cash register was 1870s and the first Macy's was 1853 built near mill workers but it failed after a few years. Would have been cool to to see a sign for that. 😉

I was so confused because I felt like the organ, others in the community like Nels could have gone in to help pay for it (and also how could the reverend be okay with this situation when he hit him up for the organ money before Pa even had the money--he should have felt obligated to help Charles in the end as well).  It was for the church, not Charles, and Nels is the one that said he ordered it even before Charles asked him to.  How is that his fault or obligation?  And why can't you return an organ or say you no longer want it?  Out of all of the expenses, that is the one I really couldn't understand.  As for the clothes, they wore them one day, and you can't tell me they can't be returned.  The gifts for each other, the watch and tools, I can see Pa wanting to pay off, but I can also see them returning them.  

This is the one time I felt like I couldn't blame Charles for being impulsive.  He kept trying to say he didn't have the money yet and noone cared.  I guess he could have argued more.  I also don't understand why the estate lawyer didn't figure out the estate before coming to Pa....that was just dumb.  lol

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I hate "The Inheritance" - it would have been much more heartwarming if they found out in the end that they only got just enough money to pay for their purchases they already made, i.e., the organ, etc.  That final auction scene was just painful.  

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So I re-watched the one where Mary miscarries last night. Is it just me or do Ma and Pa seem way more emotional and distraught over this baby vs Baby Battering Ram?

Today I see some of the different Hallmark stations are carrying LH episodes and it’s a choice between Halloween Dream and Slyvia Part II. Decisions, decisions. 

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3 hours ago, alexa said:

I was so confused because I felt like the organ, others in the community like Nels could have gone in to help pay for it (and also how could the reverend be okay with this situation when he hit him up for the organ money before Pa even had the money--he should have felt obligated to help Charles in the end as well).  It was for the church, not Charles, and Nels is the one that said he ordered it even before Charles asked him to.  How is that his fault or obligation?  And why can't you return an organ or say you no longer want it?  Out of all of the expenses, that is the one I really couldn't understand.  As for the clothes, they wore them one day, and you can't tell me they can't be returned.  The gifts for each other, the watch and tools, I can see Pa wanting to pay off, but I can also see them returning them.  

This is the one time I felt like I couldn't blame Charles for being impulsive.  He kept trying to say he didn't have the money yet and noone cared.  I guess he could have argued more.  I also don't understand why the estate lawyer didn't figure out the estate before coming to Pa....that was just dumb.  lol

They got the violin back once and I'm sure there was some kind of warranty with store owners and things they ordered. Confederate money? Really no one knew how broke he was? Don't hire that lawyer, lol.  Adam would have known better. The organ really benefited no one, nice to have but then who could play it? A show with Harriet and Toby was about that I think. I understood the moral they were pushing but wasn't written as well as others.  Charles would never let things get that out of hand and the Reverend as stated above, was NOT very reverend-like in pushing for an organ. What about the poor or a widows fund or something like that?

Rich isn't bad, the Ingall's didn't have be poor to be nice but maybe the Lord knew how crazy they would get. lol

Walton's had one similar one they might have copied since it was 5 years earlier : The Bequest (1973), except for instead of inheriting confederate money, Grandma Walton's already-spent bequest was eaten up medical debts and legal costs.

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Poor Carrie, her most lines were about pee.  Funny though how over all the years the show was on, the outhouse was a prop of sorts. No mention of Pa or Ma ever having to use it, never remember Mary or Laura and when poor Willie had to go, people would roll their eyes like "You don't go once a month?"

I agree with Michael that Karen's suggestion of "more grit" in the beginning wouldn't have caught on with fans as much, suspend reality was better to a point. They did just erase any issues of being sick or what happened during a storm or blizzard. I'm guessing smelly chamber pots or something else but I never understood why composting toilets like they use today (sawdust in a pail) wasn't used as an alternative closer to home.  I must admit when they were all snowed in for Xmas, Mary and others visiting, snow up the loft window, I thought, all those people in that tiny house, and no way to go to the bathroom.  Yes Michael was right, suspend reality. 😉

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1 hour ago, Superclam said:

I'm watching a Season 9 episode now. Billy Barty tries to get a regular job but Mrs. Oleson blocks him. Nancy falls in a well and of course only Billy Barty can save her. Everyone learns a valuable lesson about prejudice. 

for like the 20th time in the series

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13 hours ago, Superclam said:

I'm watching a Season 9 episode now. Billy Barty tries to get a regular job but Mrs. Oleson blocks him. Nancy falls in a well and of course only Billy Barty can save her. Everyone learns a valuable lesson about prejudice. 

Which makes no sense, because Willie was tall and skinny and seems like an obviously better choice.

My latest reason to hate on Pa is him reading Mary and Adam's mail to himself before reading it to them. Like the episode where Adam's father dies and his law firm sends Adam a letter. Adam and Mary are standing there saying, "What does it say?" while Pa reads the entire thing to himself and then indulges in several Dramatic Pauses before sharing it with them.

But then when he SHOULD give someone a heads-up (hello, Ma's dead Ma in the back of the wagon), he just shuts up.

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